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The Disastrous Privacy Consequences of Canada's Anti-Terrorism Bill

An anonymous reader writes "Canada's proposed anti-terrorism legislation is currently being debated in the House of Commons, with the government already serving notice that it plans to limit debate. Michael Geist argues that decision has enormous privacy consequences, since the bill effectively creates a "total information awareness" approach that represents a radical shift away from our traditional understanding of public sector privacy protection. The bill permits information sharing across government for an incredibly wide range of purposes, most of which have nothing to do with terrorism and opens the door to further disclosure "to any person, for any purpose." The cumulative effect is to grant government near-total power to share information for purposes that extend far beyond terrorism with few safeguards or privacy protections."

116 comments

  1. It was always just a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...before Canada bent to the will of the US

    1. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually, I was thinking this was basically a test run of this type thing before the US tries passing the same thing.

      We're losing our freedoms and rights here pretty badly, but nothing quite yet as bad as this sound like in CA.

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    2. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You need to re-read the PATRIOT act.

    3. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's a feedback loop. The exact same thing is happening with copyright.

      America (and all of the five eyes) want additional laws and powers. Those laws and powers are currently illegal and unpopular.

      So, one of the five eyes gets talked into passing a law which goes much further. And then the rest of them all say "see, we need these powers too".

      The exact same thing has been happening with copyright, and spying provisions ... they play off one another to expand the powers internationally, and then push to get the same things domestically.

      Essentially most western governments now have three magic keys to the kingdom: copyright, terrorism, and child porn.

      These three things are being used to march the goalposts further down the field, and the consequences for the rest of our liberties be damned.

      The five-eyes are flunkies in advancing the interests of corporations, and conspiring together to give us global fascism and surveillance. The Western democracies are all actively trying to say "fuck you and your rights, this is what we do, this is who we share it with, and if you don't like it fuck off".

      Essentially the governments and spy agencies of the five-eyes are larger threats to our liberties than the people they claim to be protecting us from.

      And they seem to not give a damn what they do to get there.

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    4. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by zlives · · Score: 1

      the empire must fall some how... that is the the sound of inevitability...

    5. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      America doesn't want that. The government does.

      They're two very different things.

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    6. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then why does America vote for that government?

    7. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter who you vote for when all the candidates are picked by the two parties.

    8. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Few years back I ended up with a connecting flight that returned though NY to Toronto. No layover (actually had to run between flights because there was only 30min between flights). So here I was with little time to spare. Then I find out the US wants you to go through customs even if you aren't staying in the country. When I saw the finger print reader I literally said: "I don't want to stay in your hell whole and you aren't getting my finger prints". They didn't scan me. Not sure if they are more accommodating of throw flights, I had a lax TSA person or what. But just as a matter of principle I'd grab a flight back to europe and get home a different way if it meant I could avoid giving the man my finger prints (don't know that it would).

      Anyways sad to see Canada go the way of big brother. Canada is like the Bush administration ... except he never left office.

    9. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Anyways sad to see Canada go the way of big brother. Canada is like the Bush administration ... except he never left office.

      It isn't like obama is any better than bush on this and many other aspects of life these days, in fact, it seems to just be getting worse.

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    10. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The five-eyes are flunkies in advancing the interests of corporations

      Which corporations?

      For example, real fears about secret warrants, and plausible generic FUD/hypotheticals surrounding the real fears, is making it impossible for Amazon and Google to expand their cloud infrastructure business. It is really fucking them badly.

      Disney wants illogical copyright extensions and ridiculous criminal penalties that are rightly described as "fascist" since they're an authoritarian cooperation between the state and business, yes. But Pandora, Spotify, Youtube, Vimeo, Facebook are interested in safe harbour and fixed prices for Internet radio, rules which reduce the amount of satanic negotiations they have to do with Disney and company and I think are tiny tweaks with enormous benefit and the right thing to be doing with laws (even if I might have done other tweaks had I been dictator).

      Something is wrong that we keep getting these pessimal answers from supposedly-representative government, but if there is a more elaborate cause than "corporations" maybe we can do something about it. I'm with you on starting a revolution. Le's do it. But "dismantle corporations" is only somewhat practical. Corporations, albeit yucky reckless and frustrating, are the most powerful structure we currently have for organizing human activity, and they can be pretty efficient and accomplish huge things with minimal authoritarian touch. Soviet Union tried dismantling them, and did get benefits from it, but I don't think anyone will be down for a second try without a more complicated theory than Marx's and plausible hope of success. "Corporations ba'a'aa'ad" is all we've got so far which is not enough.

    11. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by doccus · · Score: 1

      We were always further down that path than America ever was. For most of our history we have noy even had a constitutionand our bill of "rights" laughably put, was written in the 1700s by the British, who we of course know care so vewry much about privacy and rights themselves, and kings in the 1700 even less so...Any PM could invoke martial law at any time for any reason throughout our history as Trudeau did in 1970 and we all did during the world wars, doing to the *canadian born* Japanese precisely what the Nazis did to the Jews. Only difference is we didn't gas them after stealing all their money and property, and then placing them in ghettos, just deported them after stealing all their money and property, and then placing them in ghettos.I grew up in a Canadian border citynext to some of the highest black concentrations in America, yet I never even saw a single African or JAmaican born or even Canadian born Black person for the first 20 years of my life. Apparently the human rights violations were so incredibly severe and obnoxious here that they actually were all "run out of town". A feat even the KKK was unable to accomplish in the south. We have had terrible police abuses here, right up until today, where we are still in the national news for corrupt or even perverted cops using their badges to get drugs sex and other favors. Rights here mean nothing. The ONLY advantage here has been internet freedom, freedom from some of the more heavy handed DMCA type scams by the majors, until Harper caved in and gave them even more than they asked for. A massive citizens protest consisting of MILLIONS of people didn't even get into the NEWS, owned as it is by only a couple of orgganizations. Same with all our broadcasting. A couple of controllers. Three ISPs, each with their own guaranteed territory to preventy ompetition. No waay to hold any elected official accountable. Hell, they can have an alcohol fuelled accident across the border, and even if they hold one of the top 20 jobs, all they have to do is say "I'm sorry I won't do it again" and no more is said about it.. If anyone dares complain they find their funding withdrawn. Can't be sure that's why the same gov't put M.A.D.D. out of theur officves the next year after. Just coincidence. right? No, friends, we already have a strong history here. no neew to follow after America's example. Only Grear Britain could possibly, in msny ways, equal, and even surpass us, since, after all, they were our source of inspiration as to how to defeat these peculiar thinking settlers in the new world.. Against King and Country and "individual" civil libertes? Migod.It's not even..well, rather.. er.. done. One shouldn't contemplate such things.. Rather a good snifter of triple aged Brandy, and reflections on Good King John's legacy ;-)

    12. Re:It was always just a matter of time... by doccus · · Score: 1

      Sorry about the spooling arrears. Eye is bline. No, seriously, I have a progressive co-oedination issue. It makes it really hard to both type and spell at any rate faster than 15 cpm. Getting old sux.

  2. information leads to knowledge leads to power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What else do you expect bureaucrats and career-politicians to be after?

    Serving the people? Ha Ha Ha Ha.

    1. Re: information leads to knowledge leads to power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has little to do with "buereaucrats" and everything to do with statist, fascist law enforcement and their political masters.

      You know, the police and other such types all the "small government" conservatives are always out worshipping at every turn. Don't forget that the conservative message after 9/11 was to be afraid and not question anything because you're with us (well, them) or with the terrorists.

  3. Fuck. by waspleg · · Score: 2

    I guess I can't threaten to move there anymore as the US pot boils over.

    1. Re:Fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually did move to Canada after getting disgusted by REAL ID. I'm starting to think I should have moved to Uruguay.

    2. Re:Fuck. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      We're from the government and we're here to help.

      In all seriousness, would the tradeoff of the luxuries one is entitled to in a 1st World country offset the purported privacy you might get in a 3rd World nation?

      Odds are, people would still be clamoring to immigrate to the privacy stricken 1st World nqtions.

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    3. Re:Fuck. by boristdog · · Score: 2, Funny

      I actually did move to Canada after getting disgusted by REAL ID. I'm starting to think I should have moved to Uruguay.

      You know, about 30 years ago I would think "If I had to leave the US, where would I go?" And one of the countries that always came up was Uruguay. Apparently I was quite prescient in my 20's.

    4. Re:Fuck. by Lucas123 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cause somebody cares about you "threatening" to move to Canada.

    5. Re:Fuck. by BForrester · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, cause somebody cares about you "threatening" to move to Canada.

      Excuse me, but yes we do, thank you very much.

      Sincerely,

      Canadians.

    6. Re:Fuck. by zlives · · Score: 2

      the question really isn't about privacy, but rather about freedom. Not the freedom as is touted but rather freedom from consequences of no-privacy.
      repercussions of free speech without the protection of anonymity would be one. Just look at any whistle blower in recent history. That is at a governmental scale. However just think about having your private words, pictures, correspondence in public domain with the narrow minded social infrastructure that current US society displays in its fervor...
      Make a provocative comment and be censured from work, friends and future prospects...

      I am willing to buy the argument, if you are not guilty you shouldn't have anything to hide when the society is at a socially elevated level to accept people as they are without judgement... and no I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

    7. Re: Fuck. by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      âMake a provocative comment and be censured from work, friends and future prospects...â

      This already happens, you know. One of my family members is an elementary school teacher. Every budget proposal is CRITICAL!, every election is the future of our nation, and any politician that proposes limiting spending to available revenues is killing education and hates our children!!!

      I can't talk politics with her. It's literally her pocketbook. No matter the realities, she is only interested in job.

      And I understand. I work in an even more arbitrary environment. Business.

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    8. Re:Fuck. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Nah, this will pass then get thrown out once it gets to trial.

      The current Canadian government has passed several "mean to the accused" bills, but every one has been thrown out by the courts.

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    9. Re:Fuck. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      the question really isn't about privacy, but rather about freedom.

      I could've gone either way there, but you caught me right in the middle of attempting an alliteral analogy.... vis a vis poverty stricken third World nations.

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    10. Re:Fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the time someone takes a piece of this legislation to the supreme court The Canadian Revenue and Tax Agency will have already shared the results of your tax returns for the last ten years with every cop in the country. Plus the law is too big for the supreme court to strike the whole thing down in one go; Perhaps after someone gets held in jail for a week without a charge being laid they can get that particular article removed... but they'll have to spend a week in jail first.

  4. Gov: How come we didn't think of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those corporations making millions of the exchange of private data has finally caught the eye of governments and they want a piece of the pie too. They will tout the justification as being for the greater good and security of all.

  5. Papers, Comrade by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to the modern day fascist state. Privacy is a luxury no longer afforded to everyday citizens.

    1. Re:Papers, Comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor useful weaponry.

    2. Re:Papers, Comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Equally scary. The public approves. In the end citizens deserve what they get.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

    3. Re:Papers, Comrade by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Touché` my friend...

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    4. Re: Papers, Comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As you can see, the majority of the population supports this. Who are you to tell the people what's best for them?

    5. Re: Papers, Comrade by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      As you can see, the majority of the population supports this. Who are you to tell the people what's best for them?

      Well let's see, he appears to be somebody who advocates for political and ideological changes by informing his fellows about what the government is up to and what the consequences may well be, thereby instilling fear in the public over government intrusions into their privacy and more.

      A textbook terrorist using mass fear to accomplish his goals is what he appears to be (at least that's how the government press release will describe him after he's been detained for 'enhanced interrogation'.).

      Strat

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    6. Re: Papers, Comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two sentences and you can't even comprehend what I wrote. I have simply stated that the public approves and they deserve what they get. As a Canadian citizen I have every right to say that.

  6. Good question, not answered: by Layzej · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The wording is sufficiently vague to permit a Canadian Security Intelligence Service investigation of anyone who challenges the Conservatives' social, economic or environmental policies, the Opposition leader said during the daily question period.

    "What's to stop this bill from being used to spy on the government's political enemies?"

    Prime Minister Stephen Harper dismissed the suggestion, telling the House of Commons the NDP had entered the realm of conspiracy theory.

    "That's what we've come to expect from the black helicopter fleet over there." - http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/poli...

    1. Re:Good question, not answered: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's worrisome. Maybe Harper doesn't intend to abuse the powers, but how can he vouch for the next 100 prime ministers of Canada?

    2. Re:Good question, not answered: by lazarus · · Score: 2

      Democracy is rule by the result of a popularity contest, and no government wants to be caught having the charge of "not protecting the people" leveled against them because that makes them unpopular. Not the current government, and not the next one either.

      In a year and a half when the election is in full-swing someone will ask Justin if he will repeal it. He'll avoid the question (probably), and even if he agrees to it, he'll renege once he is elected. Why? Because it's good for him to have it in place, and the existing government will be painted with the brush of unpopularity for introducing it.

      As you've stated, what is needed is oversight. But sadly while we live in a democracy every government we elect will want to monitor and track us, while pretending that they mostly don't. Because arresting people before they do something is popular. And appearing reactionary after the fact is unpopular. That's the nature of the beast.

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    3. Re:Good question, not answered: by Addicted+To+FM · · Score: 2

      The fact that Harper is calling the NDP paranoid would be funny if this bill wasn't basically a guaranteed slam dunk. :( Harper is highly paranoid and isn't above spying to begin with. A paranoid coward with power is a dangerous person indeed. :/

    4. Re:Good question, not answered: by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Government will always abuse power eventually. Suppose we elected a moral government that would never abuse their power (it's a hypothetical situation that will never be reality so might as well fill it with hypothetical politicians that will never be real), they make a law with good intentions, but one that has a loophole that could be abused. Supporters might say "this government would never abuse it because they gave their word/they are such good people/they don't believe in that sort of thing." Maybe the supporters would even be right. But governments always change.

      Even if the present government was perfectly aligned to never abuse that law, the next one might be. Or the one after that. And when the government is in place that WILL abuse the law, it might not be abusing it in a way that happens to further your political views (and thus might result in you turning a blind eye to the abuse like people tend to do when it supports their causes).

      So even if we assume that Harper is right and their current government would never abuse this law, what's to stop the next government from abusing it?

      This is why, whenever a new law is proposed to grant government new powers, I always ask supporters how they would like it if PERSON_FROM_OPPOSING_POLITICAL_POWER was in charge and had those powers. All too often people support new government powers without oversight because it supports their causes without thinking ahead about how other politicians will abuse them.

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    5. Re:Good question, not answered: by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Given the recent history of the Conservative Party of Canada and it's various flunkies it's probably safer to draw the opposite conclusion, namely that Harper clearly intends to abuse this to persecute his political enemies. After all, his political flunkies have already declared that environmentalists are essentially the same as terrorists on more than one occasion.

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    6. Re:Good question, not answered: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stephen Harper need to be tried for treason.

  7. Like all governments ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're quick to tell us how this is going to make us more secure, but they've utterly failed to demonstrate how existing laws are inadequate, or that these news laws would have helped at all in anything they've missed.

    This is the drooling "we need to give the security people the tools to do their job", while ignoring the legal protections we're supposed to have, and failing to justify these new powers.

    And, of course, the government spokesman said how this proposal was met well by the other people in the "five eyes" ... of course they're going to love it, they get a share of the fucking take.

    We don't give a shit about what a foreign government thinks about our security and information sharing, because they greedily want this shit.

    We give a shit about the fact that this is illegal, unnecessary, completely unjustified, and completely lacking in proper checks and balances.

    This is a government operating on a "law and order" agenda who doesn't give a fuck about the law.

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    1. Re:Like all governments ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Whenever I hear a politician claim "terrorists", I think of that dog from the movie Up. He's just talking normally and then - SQUIRREL! - followed by him losing his train of thought and starting over. Except the politician thinks that we, the electorate, are the dog and that "terrorist" will make us lose focus and wind up supporting whatever inane bill they propose.

      "We have to endure body cavity searches to get on airlines now? That's outrageous! I'm going to protest this by - TERRORIST! What was I talking about again?"

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    2. Re:Like all governments ... by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're quick to tell us how this is going to make us more secure, but they've utterly failed to demonstrate how existing laws are inadequate.

      And we stumbled onto a VERY important point. Legislators are often guilty of passing a new law because they want to be seen as "doing something" about a problem. FEW of them actually ask the question "So what laws do we have NOW that address this and do we need to modify them?" Even fewer would actually understand the answer.

      This is about politics, about Public Relations and how I can burnish my image and tarnish my opponent. So if I can pass a law and claim to have addressed the issue, I have advanced MYSELF. Who cares if it's the right thing to do or if making a minor tweak to existing law or budgets would be a better, faster, cheaper fix? Oh no, it's about appearances, not effectiveness..

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    3. Re:Like all governments ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harper's conservative government does this often. They have repeatedly ignored the advice of scientists, criminologists, police and experts in various fields when passing laws. They pass the things that will look best in the headlines to their base, and to hell with the facts.

      Should expect no less, I guess.

    4. Re:Like all governments ... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      They've been attacking privacy ever since they got in. Harpers paranoid and is the most secretive politician ever yet doesn't believe in the privacy of the common person.

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    5. Re:Like all governments ... by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We just went through this in my hometown (San Antonio.)

      We passed laws outlawing cell phones because it causes reckless driving. The thing is, we already have laws against reckless driving.
      Do we need a law for eating food in the car while driving or putting make up on?

    6. Re:Like all governments ... by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

      Disney/Pixar will post their cease and desist letter shortly:

      You may not use copyrighted characters in your discussions...

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      A perfect time to watch the stars.
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    7. Re:Like all governments ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a government operating on a "law and order" agenda who doesn't give a fuck about the law.

      Or order. Rules governing the use of personal information discovered during an investigation apply in a country upholding a measure of rule of law.

    8. Re:Like all governments ... by antdude · · Score: 1

      That is why I always say "prove it". Let's see results.

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    9. Re:Like all governments ... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      We passed laws outlawing cell phones because it causes reckless driving. The thing is, we already have laws against reckless driving.

      I presume they passed a law against driving while using a cell phone, not against cellphones accross the board?

      The thing is, we already have laws against reckless driving.

      Ok. You are right. However, its not that simple.

      First: The standard for "reckless driving" is quite vague and subject to interpretation. The standard for "driving with a cellphone in hand" is much simpler.

      Second: They can enforce "driving with a cellphone" even before it escalates to "reckless driving". They don't have to prove you weren't paying attention. They don't have to WAIT for you to drift over the center line a few times and almost run up on the sidewalk before they can pull you over. They can pull you as soon as they see you "driving with cellphone in hand".

      Third: The new law communicates effectively and unequivocally that driving while on the phone is not allowed. Clearly that message was not being effectively transmitted by the existing reckless driving laws -- because epic proportions of otherwise perfectly reasonable people were routinely and obliviously doing stupid and dangerous things while driving on the phone.

      And as it is always just a small fraction of the total time they are on the phone; its better ban it outright than to only try and catch people in the middle of heated conversations, or while they are having trouble dialing;... etc. Because by then its too late.

      A law against cellphones while driving is a good thing IMO.

      Do we need a law for eating food in the car while driving or putting make up on?

      As it is, police can and DO pull people over for 'distracted driving' if they see them unfolding a map, reading the paper, or applying eyeshadow with the rearview mirror. If it applying-makeup while driving rose to the epidemic levels that cellular phone usage had then yes.

      As for eating... I don't know. Is munching on a chocolate bar that distracting, or eating sunflower seeds, or drinking a cup-o-soup or sipping a coffee from a travel mug? Sure you shouldn't be eating a steak and potatoes with fork and knife with the plate in your lap; and side salad on the dashboard... and the police have discretion to pull people over for that. But an outright ban against all 'eating' seems an over reach to me.

  8. Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Piata · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's amazing how one man can so completely destroy a country, both politically and culturally in under a decade. The CRA (the Canadian version of the IRS) is currently doing audits of non-profit organizations and revoking the non-profit status of organizations that have political ideologies that go against the Conservative agenda.

    Dying with Dignity loses charitable status after political activity probe
    7 Environmental Charities Face Canada Revenue Agency Audits

    I can't wait for the next election and I sincerely hope the PC's are so savagaley beaten at the polls that they'll be laughed out of town on the oil wagon they rolled in on.

    1. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liar.

      "Montreal-based Alternatives, which funds Third World health and education projects, was told in August that officials also made an error with its initial charitable registration years ago."

      "'In the 40-year history of the Sierra Club Canada Foundation, it's been audited twice in 40 years,' so there are more audits than usual, Bennett said."

      Plenty of businesses receive more than 1 audit every 2 decades and anyone who understands differently has an audit coming.

      "The government insists it does not target certain charities, nor does it tell CRA to do so."

      Who do you expect to replace the PCs, anyways? Liberal scam artists that bribe their way into winning elections?

      http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/19/wynnes-liberals-broke-law-election-chief

      Because if history shows anything, it's a two party race, and Canadian citizens lose each time either of them gets in. Either choose the party that steals, bribes, and punches protestors. Or you can choose the party that erodes your rights.

      But go ahead and vote if you think it really makes a difference. LOL.

    2. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      Don't be too optimistic, the drums are beating:

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

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    3. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by dryeo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Promises of small government and tax breaks will get the votes. This what I hate about "Libertarians", they have little problem with this type of government as they're cutting taxes and shrinking government even though it's the oversight part that's being removed.

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    4. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarians are also very much interested in liberties and freedoms. Libertarians are economically rightwing, but social freedom leftwing. They are "small government" but also for "small restrictions to freedoms and liberties". As a Libertarian, I am prepared to sacrifice my economic values to retain my social freedoms. I will be voting for NDP or Liberals, even though I worry that they could demolish the economy of my province (Alberta) - it's a small price to pay for my freedom.

    5. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself, although there are many flavors of libertarians I can't imagine any of them supporting this.

    6. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The ones in the Conservative party seem to be supporting this.

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    7. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't call them PC's. The Progressive Conservative Party is dead; lost in the merger to the Reform party years ago. We are currently ruled by the Conservative Party of Canada CPC. Progressive isn't even in the name anymore.

    8. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      Justin's daddy took Canada from debt free to where we now owe hundreds of billions on our national debt.

      That Justin Trudeau, son of Pierre Trudeau who was prime minister of Canada in the 1970s-ish. That's also plain false. World War II and "the Great War" created Canada's national debt, just like nearly every other western country.

      He gave government employees the right to strike. Now we are constantly being blackmailed into giving raises far above industry standards.

      During Trudeau's tenure as PM, the federal public employees won the fight utilize freedom to association (the basis for forming a union) in federal court. Not given to them by anyone. Unless you think politicians should restrict who is allowed to get together to form a corporation (an association for profit), why should the government have the right to treat its employees any differently than other employees? Save for the exemptions for RCMP officers and Canadian Forces (solders) by the courts.

      Given how many facts you have been mistaken about so far, your view doesn't hold much sway with me.

      Bollocks regard above industry standards for pay. I make ~20% less than private sector equivalent, get a benefit packages that is worst than the last 50-person company I worked for in the private sector, and I have to listen people constant lie and repeat untruths about my compensation. Go to Treasuary Board Secretariat of Canada's website and look for yourself at my pay and benefits.

      He forced an unneeded charter of rights on the population with no plebiscite and with no private property protections in it. Like a good Commie.

      Are you some self-delusional totalitarian? Communists government (even the better ones) never granted powers or rights to its people. Only socialist countries gave rights of individuals over the nation state (or monarch).

      Private property protection? That has a long and complex history in English common law, dating to at least the 14th century (from memory). The Canadian Charter of Rights grants rights to people not grant either property rights to people or rights to property. It also doesn't mention dolphins.

      And forced it on one province which ever since has threatened to secede.

      The English-French divide has been a part of the Canadian landscape centuries before Confederation. That was just another piece they latched onto. Like the Meech Lake accord, NAFTA, GST, and hundreds of other things before and since them.

      The previous posters reference CBC Canada which is a Liberal lacky and should be abolished.

      Why would a Crown corporation have a Liberal (party) bias under how many years now of a Conservative (party). government?

      Because frankly if you know any media history you will know that media bias and claims thereof have been around as long as media itself.

      I have dealt with them and they always slant the news to the point that I NEVER trust them to report truthfully.

      And I have repeatedly found that media in multiple countries, both private and state sponsored all display bias and often make minor to significant mistakes in their reporting. So unless you want to tell me that the Daily Mail (UK) is a balanced political point of view, in which case I would suggest reading World Weekly News.

      Obviously all these negative comments are from brainless socialists

      Because to disagree with you would require someone not merely differ in opinion or political leanings, but they are clearly mentally impaired? Get over yourself.

      and union bosses who bleed the rest of us dry.

      Why? Because unions bosses are bad and corporation bosses are good?

      Any good boss will try to maximize the benefits to those whom they represent, for-profit or not-for-profit.

    9. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by plcurechax · · Score: 1

      Are you some self-delusional totalitarian? Communists government (even the better ones) never granted powers or rights to its people. Only socialist countries gave rights of individuals over the nation state (or monarch).

      Sorry I meant "[o]nly socialist countries" as in comparison to communists countries. Not communist countries that called themselves socialist. I did not mean to imply only socialist countries in general; for example in the case of USA, though the US Bill of Rights is a very socialistic document placing people above both the government or the establishment.

    10. Re:Hopefully this will be Harper's death knell by Prune · · Score: 1
      I don't think so, Tim.

      The Angus Reid Institute conducted an online survey among 1509 randomly selected Canadian adults who are Angus Reid Forum panelists

      -- http://angusreid.org/wp-conten...

      Spend some time around the forum in question, and you'll realize it's hardly representative of the general Canadian population.

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  9. It's project Minaret all over again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peaceful civil disobedience will be labeled a national security threat.

    "Security and police agencies have been increasingly conflating terrorism and extremism with peaceful citizens exercising their democratic rights to organize petitions, protest and question government policies, said Jeffrey Monaghan of the Surveillance Studies Centre at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario.

    The RCMP, Canada's national police force, and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) view activist activities such as blocking access to roads or buildings as "forms of attack" and depict those involved as national security threats, according to the documents."

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/canada-environmental-activism-threat

    (Minaret was an NSA domestic spying program in the 1960's that targeted 1650 civil rights activists including US senators, MLK Jr. and Muhammad Ali)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MINARET

  10. Dear Canada. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So.. Uh.. Yeah. Its this letter.

    I don't know how to say this, but you should get yourself tested.

    Here in the US we've got a bad case of the conservative stupid and it looks like you've caught it to. If you're lucky you can stave off the stagnating wages, crumbling infrastructure, tyranny of the banking sector, and jingoistic warmongering.

    Love, the USA

    1. Re:Dear Canada. by Addicted+To+FM · · Score: 1

      We'll do the best we can. I can't promise anything. :( The only plus side is that Harper was stupid enough to go after veterans a lot over the last few years. That will rally up the elderly people who ALWAYS vote. Now it's just a matter of getting the majority of Canadians to go "No I don't want this idiot again."

    2. Re:Dear Canada. by compro01 · · Score: 2

      Now it's just a matter of getting the majority of Canadians to go "No I don't want this idiot again."

      No, it's a matter of getting decidedly more than a majority to go like that. Harper got here with 39% of the vote, thanks to dirty tricks and this idiotic system of voting we're stuck with.

      You'll need a large supermajority to get rid of him. The most recent projection shows he's still likely to form government with 32.9% of the vote.

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  11. Canada, what is up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you really having such serious problems with terrorism? Nobody told me about it

    1. Re:Canada, what is up by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Are you really having such serious problems with terrorism? Nobody told me about it

      A terrorist has been defined as someone against fossil fuels, or believing in climate change or against the current government, so yes, many Canadians are terrorists and they need to be preemptively arrested and locked up.

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  12. So, anything not going as planned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People need to be more independent from central authorities and infrastructure, or this will only get worse. Can you send a file to all your neighbors without going through one of the ten biggest businesses in the country?

    1. Re:So, anything not going as planned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      USB sticks, CD burners, and printers are all technologies that still work.

  13. A Balance Of Power by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    In the US we have a balance of power that few people understand. We have an executive, a legislative, a judicial, and the fourth equal power which is the public and all have a defined limit to their powers. That is an upward limit as well as a downward limit. So the public is restrained by the Constitution just like any other part of the balance of powers. Electronic communications are new and unforeseen in our founders' eyes. Yet there should be no assumption at all that the public must yield some of their share of powers at all simply because something new comes along. In essence if the executive, the legislative, or the judicial system are not wide open to communications then the public has the right to privacy just as much as any branch or even the military or CIA has any right to secured communications. Or the government has the option to make all communications and data acquisition open to all of us without exception. The practical aspects of such a thing should not be a factor in a court ruling. Essentially the constitution is what it is and that could even include it being a mutual suicide pact. If a practical solution type of society was our goal we would be tossing people in the ovens and slaughtering anyone who made ripples in the pond or was to weak to supply all of their own needs. If little Johny shows up at the emergency room with a broken spine we try to do the best we can for little Johny. In a practical society we would simply shoot Johny in the head and toss his body in the city dump or use his corpse to feed the pigs. In other words you really do not want to live in a practical society as you just might be Johny one day.

    1. Re:A Balance Of Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If there is a limit to the expansion of coercive authority -- in ANY country -- we have yet to see it.

    2. Re:A Balance Of Power by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Well, it's being played out in Syria right now. It's generally not pretty though.

    3. Re:A Balance Of Power by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      That's correct. People aren't sheep when cornered. A government worth anything will keep that in mind.

  14. Consequences, or objectives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "disastrous privacy consequences"

    The summary (and article) implies that destroying privacy is merely a consequence of the new law. But who's to say that destroying privacy isn't one of the objectives, or even the primary objective of the new law? After all, the actions of those in power would certainly suggest that destroying privacy is a major goal, since each and every year brings a new round of war on privacy.

  15. Let me say this: by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    At least they're being honest about it.

  16. I forget.... by unixcorn · · Score: 2

    Who do I need protection from?

    1. Re:I forget.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      When, in this life or the next?

      IF you are discussing here and now.... Historically you've needed to be protected from governments more often than anything else.

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    2. Re:I forget.... by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Yourself silly goose err beaver....

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  17. Terrorists? so what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is a small group of people hell bent on bringing down western civilization, and they accomplish their goal by killing a few thousand people a year? Sure, that's terrible, but we kill ourselves with fried chicken and cheeseburgers at a faster rate. The threat of terrorism is minor compared to the threat of government corruption, the threat of poverty on the next generation, and the threat of economic policies that leads to instability and strife.

  18. Who is a terrorist? by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    "The RCMP has labelled the “anti-petroleum” movement as a growing and violent threat to Canada’s security, raising fears among environmentalists that they face increased surveillance, and possibly worse, under the Harper government’s new terrorism legislation." http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

    1. Re:Who is a terrorist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Folks like Wiebo Ludwig et al have proven that parts of the "anti-petroleum" movement are a violent threat to Canada's security.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiebo_Ludwig

  19. Central government= path to totalitarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is precisely why central government is a completely horrible idea. People who are for central government are traitors to liberty and freedom. Period. When the United States was a fledgling country a founding concept was very limited federal government, almost as if states were individual "mini countries" which kept the federal government from becoming tyrannical and oppressive; like the former British rule. Now in the U.S. we have a radically left administration and left leaning politicians who want to undo all the safeguards to keep the latter from happening. Scary times we live in.

       

    1. Re: Central government= path to totalitarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. We do NOT have a radically left leaning administration. We have somebody who is not batshit right wing crazy and that LOOKS "leftist" to the Fox News crowd, but most of what's gone on has just been holdovers/extensions of the previous 30 plus years of conservative mismanagement.

      FACT: government has expanded in the US more under conservatives than under alleged liberals, especially during W's reign of stupid.

  20. Re:It was always just a matter of time...FTFY by zlives · · Score: 1, Insightful

    America does want that, the fear mongering and bigotry runs rampant in just enough of America to allow this to continue.
    May be one day enough America may not want it... might be too late by then.

  21. What's the matter with Canada? by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to think Canadians - even those out in the forsaken, endless prairies - were far more wise and progressive than us USians, but no. How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? Pure apathy? The assumption they were all as 'funny' as Laughable Bublefuck Rob Ford?

    Quite sad; I thought the Canadians were better than, well, just about everybody, but now no different than the rest of the Right-Wing Police State, Might Makes Right, Western world. [le sigh]

    1. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Zeromous · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try living in Canadian "Fuck You I Got Mine" Suburbs. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

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    2. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      60% of Canadian for that last few elections have not voted for the Harper government, so that's the majority of the government. Unfortunately with effectively a 3 party system, the NDP and Liberals are sharing the Left part of the spectrum while the Conservatives basically take all the Right spectrum votes all to themselves and with the elections by default because they have no opposition on that part of the spectrum. They get 40% of the vote with the NDP and Liberals, Green, and Independents splitting the other 60%.

    3. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by compro01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What happened?

      An idiotic voting system, gerrymandered ridings, Republicans giving the Conservatives dirty tricks lessons, and 39% of the population being idiots.

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    4. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by crunchygranola · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? ...

      I think you are on to something. Right-wing extremist oil/energy money has been a potent factor in U.S. politics since the 1940s, witness the John Birch Society founded and run by Fred Koch. Its in-your-face craziness led to it being rejected by the Republican mainstream in the early 1960s, and then marginalized, but this very small group had enormous financial resources, and patience and has built up an enormous infrastructure to push their policies over the years, not just at the national level but in states around the country. It was an odd spectacle when the newly elected Governor Walker of Wisconsin took a call he thought was from Charles Koch and assured that citizen of Kansas that he was on board with his anti-union legislation program; evidently this resident of another state who could not cast a vote for him is Walker's real "constituent".

      With the Tea party the John Birch Society in effect took over complete control of the Republican Party.

      Just as the OIl Birchers have been taking control of the politics of states they don't live in, they seem to be pushing their politics in Canada too, no doubt with the assistance of much Canadian oil money. Farmers are being threatened with losing their farms in Nebraska so that a pipeline of Canadian tar-oil from tar sands project partly owned by the Koch brothers can get to Koch refineries in Louisiana.

      Anyone opposing oil money will certainly get crushed, sooner rather than later.

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    5. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Canadians did not vote for Harper and to not support his policies. We have a backward 1st past the post electoral system that enables vote splits to empower the minority of votes into a dictatorial majority in our Parliament. Harper's conservatives only got 39% of the popular vote. 61% voted for NDP, Liberal, Green and Block, all whom are very far left when compared to American Democrats. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011

    6. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to whom? A big city welfare case? Here in Ontario, my town has to send property tax money to support the big city (Toronto) whose property taxes are a third to half of what I have to pay for a comparable property. So yeah there is dissonance.
      And I 'got mine' by 50 years of hard work. You should try it some time and maybe you will be 'dissonant'.'

      There are too many people who think they are owed without actually working for it.

    7. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      I used to think Canadians - even those out in the forsaken, endless prairies - were far more wise and progressive than us USians, but no. How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? Pure apathy? The assumption they were all as 'funny' as Laughable Bublefuck Rob Ford?

      Quite sad; I thought the Canadians were better than, well, just about everybody, but now no different than the rest of the Right-Wing Police State, Might Makes Right, Western world. [le sigh]

      It's a combination of three things.

      1) Harper isn't nearly as bad as the US right. There are certainly elements of that in his party, but he would still be a better fit as a Democrat than Republican in the US.

      2) First past the post exaggerates strong minorities into big majorities. He should be PM but he shouldn't have a majority.

      3) Even being a decent PM, he's still too far right for Canadians. The reason he's stuck around is he is good at winning elections, and the Liberal candidates not nearly as much. That might change, since Justin Trudeau took over he has actually out polled Harper fairly regularly, but whether Trudeau holds up through an election campaign is a big question.

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    8. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      I live in the Ontario suburbs you nitwit. Yes I'm talking about you.

      I got mine through 30 years of hard work, your dissonance is the cost at which it is to serve you with city services in the suburbs vs a big city landowner (welfare case paying property taxes? where do you get this stuff)
      Also no one mentioned city politics so there is that too.

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    9. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I used to think Canadians - even those out in the forsaken, endless prairies - were far more wise and progressive than us USians, but no. How long has GOP-backed and advised Harper been in power now? What happened? Was it tar sand greed? Pure apathy? The assumption they were all as 'funny' as Laughable Bublefuck Rob Ford?

      Quite sad; I thought the Canadians were better than, well, just about everybody, but now no different than the rest of the Right-Wing Police State, Might Makes Right, Western world. [le sigh]

      Honestly I wouldn't expect anything else from a 5-eyes nation.

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    10. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      You forgot politics and politicians...

      All the stuff above aside, the basic fact is that the Conservatives united the right (Alliance/Reform, PC), and moved towards center (or at least perceived to by some people). The center left is shared by two other parties that basically just cannibalize each others votes... So baring some crazy thing, it is no surprise that the Conservatives have a distinct advantage and won, simple numbers. The PQ is not a federal party. Their only significant impact recently was loosing so badly and catapulting the NDP to prominence for the first time ever really.

      Of course anytime the topic of "coalition" was mentioned, all three were quick to throw it down, like being called a communist in the US.
      The Conservatives hate the idea because they would lose.
      The Liberals hate the idea because they want all the power.
      The NDP hate the idea because their party would likely be absorbed and a bunch of politicians would be out of a job...

      Also change is hard. The reason we still have a stupid voting system and ridings is that it give advantage to the Cons/Libs, which most people vote for, so there is very little impetus for change (i.e. why would I want to change a system that elects the party I like?), which breeds apathy, which means less people vote... etc...

    11. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FU I got mine--buzz-whirrr-kerchunk Maple Leaf gone Galt kerchink-click-click Randroid Canada! kerchink-kerchink-grwwwwwwwwwwrrrrr!

    12. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COLLEGE POISONING!

    13. Re:What's the matter with Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wise and progressive don't go together in the same sentence. The progressives are the same, they want a march toward an authoritarian state.

  22. Re:It was always just a matter of time...FTFY by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

    Much more of a case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

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  23. Nader to Harper by eflester · · Score: 1

    My favorite commentary on this subject so far has been written by Ralph Nader. Someone else may have already referred to this in the comments; I am far too lazy to search for the reference, and it's a good enough piece of writing to be mentioned more than once. https://t.co/i6wSYugqFy

  24. A Good Crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Canadian government has taken advantage of a good "crisis" to extend it's powers. When there's no crisis to take advantage of, government either inflates a minor problem, makes one or claims there is one in order to extend it's power. It's insatiable, and won't stop until those in power have complete control over everything.

    "Everything not compulsory is forbidden."
                        -- T. H. White

  25. Re:WHEN in TIME.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just exactly WHEN are you, you lazy fucking little sheep of a wussy man sitting on your couch reading this, going to GET UP OFF YOUR ASS, and call / write / visit your lawmaker and DEMAND that this shit be stopped?
    WHEN?
    Your enjoyment of a life of freedom from people watching and controlling your EVERY move is being taken away from you.
    And from your friends, your family, your parents, your children, everyone.

    WHEN ARE *YOU* GOING TO ACT TO FIGHT THIS?

  26. Canadian? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    We already seem to have support from the NDP, but a stronger support wouldn't hurt. If you are Canadian, please sign this: https://openmedia.org/SpyOnUs

  27. to be fair..charities not supposed to be political by Chirs · · Score: 1

    I dislike Harper as much as most of us, but to be fair it has always been the case that charitable organizations were not supposed to engage in significant amounts of political activities.

    Yes, many of them (of all political stripes) have been doing just that for quite a while, but the law has been on the books for a long time (just not enforced very strictly).

  28. Re:WHEN in TIME.... by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

    Just exactly WHEN are you, you lazy fucking little sheep of a wussy man sitting on your couch reading this, going to GET UP OFF YOUR ASS, and call / write / visit your lawmaker and DEMAND that this shit be stopped?

    Right after I finish shouting into the wind and shaking my fist at the sky.

  29. Why the United States Always Loses Its Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Veterans Today on February 11, 2015

    Why the United States Always Loses Its Wars

    We are the global village bully that's hated by much of the world.

    America loses all its wars because it seems we've always been on the wrong side of history. Morally nor legally should any nation have the right to invade and occupy another sovereign nation, much less believe it can achieve victory in long, protracted wars.

    Yet in violation of all ethical precepts and all international laws, the sole global superpower citing its impunity through exceptionalism hypocritically insists it can maintain its moral high ground in its relentless pursuit of regime changes anywhere it so chooses on earth. We are the global village bully that's hated by much of the world.

    And it's pure self-aggrandizing bullshit to perpetrate the myth that America is hated because of our "freedom," another rhetorical brainwashing lie. We now live in a fascist totalitarian police state run by a globalized crime syndicate of the central banking cabal. As of last April per a Princeton-Northwestern study the US has officially been designated an oligarchy.

    Last year after a group of ethnic Russians living in Crimea voted to become part of Russia, the Russian military claimed control over its own naval base there that the US-NATO had been lusting to steal after the unlawful overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected sovereign government.

    Ever since it's been nonstop lies and propaganda propagated to demonize Putin as the aggressor when in fact all along it's the American Empire that's been recklessly pushing what could end up World War III against nuclear powered Russia. With US-NATO missiles installed on Russia's doorstep in virtually every former Soviet eastern bloc nation, hemming Russia in, who's really the aggressor here?

    The WMD lie that was the repeated mantra used as prewar drum beating propaganda to launch a war against humanity in Iraq a dozen years earlier is now being replayed as deja vu all over again to amnesic, dumbed down Americans. Despite defeats in both Iraq and Afghanistan still being dragged out as America's longest running wars in its history, the US-NATO war machine is once again prepping for yet more war raging now in Eastern Ukraine.

    The US government's rush to war hit a minor snag the other day when various European nations like France and Germany announced their opposition and refusal to send arms to the Ukraine government, wanting to give peace talks with Russia a chance. Today's headlines state that Obama has been forced to pause in his arms rush, not unlike the world turning against his rush a year and a half ago for air strikes in Syria after the false flag chemical weapons attack that was actually launched by US backed rebels.

    So it may not be full speed ahead for US Empire to ship its heavy weaponry to the eastern warfront after all. It is being reported that mercenaries speaking American English, Polish, French and Flemish are fighting for the Kiev government in Eastern Ukraine against ethnic Russians who are fighting for their independence, their home and their very survival. And with their backs up against the wall, recently the eastern Ukrainians have beaten back the Ukrainian government forces. Again, the US has a knack for being on the wrong side of history.

    No true victor can emerge from any war on either side. The incessant US aggressor boasting superior firepower as the most deadly, expensive military force on the planet (spending more than the next ten nations combined), America has little to show for itself as it has not won a single war in seventy years!

    Neo-colonialism cloaked in imperialism, balkanization, economic exploitation, debtors' theft, indentured servitude and enslavement can never be justified as the spoils of war. It's a losing proposition in every imaginable way, not only for the aggressive American Empire that keeps starting and losing war aft

    1. Re:Why the United States Always Loses Its Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Antisemite

  30. Why don't they address a real need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IMO, we need to address a specific activity. One far more relevant, and far less damaging to ordinary civilians.

    Citizens are being radicalized and going off to war in various countries. Then they return home and with what purpose? Are they still zealots, looking to convert more naive or bizarre recruits to this tainted cause? Or did they get a taste of chaos and madness and decide it wasn't for them after all?

    I'm saying we should have border controls for these people. Stop them at the border. Maybe turn them away, maybe implement mandatory monitoring of them. Citizens or not, terrorists should not be free to roam the country and do as they like, which is mayhem. It's targeted, it's relevant, and does not trample upon the rights of innocent civilians who pose no risk.

  31. NSA#2 (capcha- penalty) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The conservative government is giving itself the right to force Apple to install backdoors to its OS and encryption while forbidding it to inform its customers that it has been compromised. Any objection to this from the U.S. will be met with a short, sharp full-on nuclear response. (signed) Stephen Harper

  32. don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to worry about, I'm sure they will never use this power for anything other than it's stated purpose.

  33. Re:Good question, Actually Hypothetical law happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your Hypothetical Gov and law just happened..

    Many governments ago.

    The Government promised Canadian Soldiers
    That They would always be taken care of..

    But it was never written into law...

    Our current wannabe dictator Announced That the government has no obligation to wounded troops..

    So would Harper Never abuse a law..
    He Already has...
    Does anyone really think he won't again?