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Wired On 3-D Printers As Fraud Enablers
An anonymous reader writes Citing a report from the Gartner Group estimating $100 billion in intellectual property losses within five years, Joshua Greenbaum warns of "the threat of a major surge in counterfeiting" as cheap 3-D printers get more sophisticated materials. Writing for Wired, Greenbaum argues that preventing counterfeiting "promises to be a growth market," and suggests that besides updating IP laws, possible solutions include nanomaterials for "watermarking" authentic copies or even the regulation of 3-D printing materials. Major retailers like Amazon are already offering 3-D print-on-demand products — though right now their selection is mostly limited to novelties like customized bobbleheads and Christmas ornaments shaped like cannabis leaves. Apropos: Smithonian Magazine has an article that makes a good companion piece to this one on the long political history of the copy machine, which raised many of the same issues being rediscovered in the context of 3-D printing.
For software, generally speaking the copy is exactly the same as the original. No one collects software (only their medium), and its unlimited.
Even with 3d printers, objects are limited (you can't copy them indefinitely, you'll run out of material), and right now at least, until star trek replicators happen, they're not the same as the original (unless the original was 3d printed too i guess). There can be difference in qualities, and the originals may be collectibles... just like a painting can be replicated, but its the original that's worth something.
So being able to tell the originals from the copies apart kind of matters this time around.
Who cares if somebody rips off somebody else's cellphone case design?
I'm just looking forward to downloading a car.
I have talked to a tourist in London who admitted to me that he is travelling to London to copy art pieces. This person would take pictures of art in multiple directions and send it to manufacturers in China who would use the picture to build a 3d model and use a 3d printer to make a mold. From the mold you could produce cheap replicas for hotels and offices for people who would not mind too much. You do not have to 3d print everything just make molds. Of course this limits the use of such techniques. I was a bit surprised that the person would tell so much to a random stranger.
Don't you know it is now both immoral and criminal to think beyond the next quarterly report?
The part being copied would have to be something that is unavailable otherwise and/or very costly to be worth the time/effort to counterfeit it with a 3D printer. It would have to be something for which the market is very small but very willing to pay, because if the market were large, 3D printing wouldn't make sense- you'd fabricate the counterfeit in a way that's more cost effective for producing large quantities (and would probably give a higher quality result).
Maybe parts for exotic sports cars? But who isn't going to inspect and quickly know they're looking at a fake? What exotic sports car mechanic is going to risk his reputation by buying and installing counterfeit parts?
Jewelry? Too much scrutiny applied there, too.
Nope. Anything that costs a lot is going to be scrutinized. Anything that doesn't cost a lot isn't worth counterfeiting, especially not with a 3D printer.
is supposed to be about rewarding innovators
IP law has been corrupted to reward entrenched economic interests
as such, IP law needs to be ignored and/ or actively sabotaged at every available opportunity
IP law is anticompetitive monopolistic nonsense
it is the largest point of corruption where oligarchs have warped the government to enforce their position rather than enforce fairness
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we must do everything we can to make a mockery of IP law
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
You can make whatever you want, for yourself.
I mean ... I've experienced a few times when a $50 - $200 appliance didn't work anymore because a $0.005 piece of plastic broke.
If the appliance is still under warranty, you can take up the cudgels and have it repaired or replaced. If it's out of warranty, you *might* be able to have it repaired, only to find that repairs typically cost between 50% and 150% of the purchase price.
What could be more reasonable to suspend legal restrictions barring you from 3D-printing that widget (if at all possible)?
As far as I know, it's very very rare that such a widget is of such clever design that you freeload on someone's hard work. What I think is the case (on basis of a thoroughly non-scientific survey, sample-size 6, personal observation) is that any ingenuity in the design is spent in making sure the widget in question can't be second-sourced without infringing on some sort of patent. E.g. by adding a special notch, a special hole, or simply making the dimensions so that the widget is unlike any other on the planet (and any other widgets won't fit).
There can be difference in qualities, and the originals may be collectibles...
I don't think people are seriously worried about someone scanning some priceless marble figurine, printing a copy and selling it for $100,000,000 to some very stupid collector who doesn't notice that it is made rather roughly from plastic.
They're more worried about someone scanning a $20 Popular Cartoon Character(R)(C)(TM) doll and printing a copy for their sprog, without the House of Mouse receiving their rightful tithe under the 2016 "lets keep Mickey copyrighted forever" act.
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
Enhancing the collective wealth of humanity without giving captains of industry their cut will henceforth be known as "fraud"
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Every time a new technology come along some people freak out and the end of life as we know it is threatened. Sometimes the naysayers have a point even, but for the most part life is better. Buggy whip and wagon makers are not the viable career they once were, but look at how many people have jobs manufacturing cars. Not to mention how society has advanced due to motorized vehicles.
Computers supplanted type writers, and all kinds of other stuff. When I was younger copy machines were a similar threat. And color copiers were used to counterfeit currency. I think it wasn't until inkjet printers got really good that the US government started adding elaborate anti-counterfeit features to paper money.
3-D printers are no different. As technology advances, what was once considered valuable becomes out dated and losses it's value as something different replaces it. Aluminum was once more valuable than gold as refining it was very difficult. This is no longer the case. Aluminum has become commonplace, and we're all benefiting because of it. Times change, as does what is considered valuable.
Gartner gives the numbers the group contracting the study want.
Trolling is a art,
"...estimating $100 billion in intellectual property losses ..."
There's your problem, right there. There is no such thing.
Actually There is an exotic mechanic just outside of Bangkok whose specialty is making "Fauxrari" and "Lambaux" and any other exotic you want, under the hood they are Toyota and Mazda pumped up ricer motors. Considering his builds run between $65k-$80k they are for the semi-rich in third world countries to look like they have more money than they really do. Rumor has it most of Saddam's later rides were made by this guy, who brags his vehicles are safer while being lighter as he makes his panels out of carbon fiber from casts of the real parts.
Sorry I can't seem to find a link, I read it in a magazine,Wired IIRC. Of course even if I found photos it would look just like the real thing as the Wired article had him posing by some of his builds and his attention to detail was just incredible, I bet if you parked the real 65 Ferrari next to his you wouldn't know which is which by merely looking.
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Where do you come up with this silly stuff? Sure, you could 'print' a boat. A 3D printer capable of printing a, say 22 foot sport boat would likely be 15 feet tall, 30 feet long and take spools of material that have to be trucked in. As opposed to a fiberglass layup mold that's 10 feet tall and 25 feet long (and can be built using a bunch of plywood, a pencil and a decent CAD-CAM program). Neither is going to be put together by the folks down the street trying to make a 'cheap' boat.
Nobody is going to print out BMWs carbon fiber chassis for the same reason.
Maybe little stuff, maybe something as complex as a shoe (although not for a while, your typical plastic shoe has dozens of different types of materials in it).
Further, the world of manufacturing is quite a bit more complex than the actual production of the widget. You have to put the widget into a form that is useful (add the engine, the windows, the electronics, etc for the boat, the rest of the car. You cannot and will not be able to print everything.
3D printing for the vast majority of applications will be evolutionary - where it fits, it will be used. But it isn't going to be a revolution in how we obtain stuff.
Unless, of course, your life revolves around Star Wars figurines or anatomically correct models of Bruce Jenner (however that's supposed to work out).
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
ANYthing that reduces costs, enhances productivity, or makes life easier is a "fraud enabler."
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
I was a bit surprised that the person would tell so much to a random stranger.
Why? Do you think some random stranger was going to report them to the Imaginary Property Police?
I doubt you'll find one random stranger in a thousand who thinks there's anything wrong with what this guy is doing, and they probably work for the Imaginary Property industry.
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...an inspiring piece on NPR I hear a while back, about a little boy or girl who'd lost his or her hand or finger or some other limb, and instead of being forced to spend $20,000 on some traditional prosthesis, was able to 3D-print the prosthesis for something like $20. Even better was that since the kid was growing, the required parts could be reprinted with ease to match his/her development. It was really inspiring and there are probably hundreds of millions of people around the world who could benefit from such tech -- I mean, *actually* benefit, because they can actually *afford* it.
Now, when I read articles like this and statements about "100 billion dollar IP losses" all I can think of is, fuck, are we really going to let intellectual property law squash the awesome potential for advances 3D printing gives us across a wide range of applications? I can only hope that there will be a significant movement of "open-source' designers who allow their product templates to be downloaded and printer for free, but the pessimist in me sees this as another opportunity for patent trolls and megacorporations to fuck everyone over and profit in the process.
Sorry for the slightly "jaded teenager" esque post, but anyway.
This is what a 'disruptive technology' does. The 'market' changes as it becomes easier and cheaper to produce 'almost as good' stuff. If I'm changing $10 for something, a significant portion of my customers are only paying $10 because they have no other choice. If someone else starts producing what I make for $5...it's simply the market changing and I have to adapt or pretend the market hasn't changed and sue everyone (while spending even more money on not making my product).
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Perhaps they do. They also aren't a good measure of the entire market.
How many people prided themselves on how many albums or CDs or DVDs they had? How many of them now just use Netflix and Pandora/Spotify/etc.?
We craved having lots of media because there wasn't a way to easily get it otherwise. Now, nobody has to buy (or copy) 1000s of sources to be able to consume those sources.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
I have to adapt or pretend the market hasn't changed and sue everyone (while spending even more money on not making my product).
Or you can pay the government to pass a law banning the cheap alternatives because 'public safety!', which is usually much cheaper. This is exactly what's likely to happen with, say, people printing new car parts on a 3D printer. Clearly that's a risk to 'public safety!' because those parts haven't been tested like the real parts. And as for printing complete cars that haven't been crash-tested and may not meet CAFE standards...
That profit margin is sure to evaporate. People will scan and print replacement part for a fraction of the price. Sears might actually install a 3D printer in their own store with access to official CAD drawings and sell it. But they will not be able to maintain such high price for such small piece that probably costs 20cents to make for long. So yeah, 3D printing might erode some of these profit margins, and these guys will bitch, moan and yell, "IP fraud, they don't have license from us to replicate these parts". But, if you had not abused your monopoly on the replacement parts and acted nicely, may be I would have been kind. But now, I say, cry me a river Sears.
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Who will fear this the most is companies who charge outrageous prices for cheap plastic parts. I.e. exactly those parts that can easily and cheaply be reproduced with 3D printing. Just like with printer ink and coffee maker capsules there are various areas where cross financing the product with insanely pricey spare parts is the norm rather than the exception. It's easy to pull off, too. Invent something where a plastic part is a key element to operation, that plastic part is consumer serviceable (that part is optional), trivial to make and weighed down with enough patents that nobody dares making something even similar. And of course, being plastic, it's subject to wear and tear and has to be replaced now and then. In such a situation, it becomes trivial to sell the appliance cheaply, even under cost, as long as you know that people will have to buy that plastic thingamajig again and again.
That only works as long as there is no cheaper option for the user, of course.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Mickey Mouse is 85 and that little shit is still under copyright. Most likely will be for the rest of time, too.
I do get the point though. I see nothing wrong with making a copy of a physical object and selling it, if he value of the object is it's originality. Making copies of physical consumer items and selling them is, and should remain, illegal.
--- Keep the choice with the user..
When you stop laughing, realize that today, that's _all_ injection molded parts.
To make a 3d printed part work at all, you need to make all sections much thicker, to make up for the lessor strength of cold welded printed plastic.
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How does this allow *someone* to maintain a monopolistic price advantage? Dude, ur anti-american.
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Sure, there will always be some leeches who will try to get rich with MAFIAA methods, but if you fall for their cons, don't blame patent law for it.
You know it's time for the next revolution when your rulers' names end with roman numerals.
No, but there's a copyright on photos of 100 year old paintings. It's one reason many galleries forbid photography. So long as they have the original and no high-resolution scans exist, they alone can offer the authentic art-viewing experience.
Or course. I've got a 3D printer and the kids love it. You don't have to look far to find models of popular toys, and they can be envy of the other kids at school if they're the only ones with glow-in-the-dark Minecraft Creepers (glow in the dark filament is pretty cool!)
Just another case of technology running ahead of the existing rules.
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That's not an argument against selling copies, that's an argument against claiming that they're the originals. So long as the buyer is aware of who actually made the item there is no fraud.
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