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Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email At State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules
HughPickens.com writes: The NY Times reports that Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, according to State Department officials. She may have violated federal requirements that officials' correspondence be retained as part of the agency's record. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act. "It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business," said attorney Jason R. Baron. A spokesman for Clinton defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the "letter and spirit of the rules."
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I think you have misinterpreted the rules a bit. Campaigning and party activity are prohibited with government resources.
The President and Cabinet sending emails on implementing political goals are permitted activities. Sending emails about ?NC platform discussions are not permitted.
When I went through ethics training with the GC, it was very clear what was and was not permissible. From the GC point of view, the default was use goverment email and save every email.
I can see the desire, particularly at the executive level, not to leave a record because policy formulation can be a messy activity. However, I'm not sure that is the motivation in this case. First, there is no control over the retention of the other end and, second, a lot discussion happens on the classified side.
Palin used a personal account for personal stuff. We know this because a 4chan hacker (whose father was a Democrat state senator) hacked into it, and there was no state business emails in there. According to the NYT, Clinton didn't HAVE an official account. But you keep pretending they're the same thing.
She is too powerful. Powerful people tend to dislike light shown on their actions, because than rational people will see how stupid they really are and pounce on their bad actions and their bad conclusions.
This is the same for politicians throughout history....
So yea, while there might be hidden emails on some Government server somewhere, do you really think they will ever see the light of day? She would have zero issues killing them in the streets to keep them from coming out if I had to guess and this is why this is the last time we will ever hear about "no emails and breaking the rules..."
Still no word to this day on the missing 6 billion from the state department during this time.
And good luck finding that. If its not in Switzerland under the account "H. Clinton" or "H. Rodnam" than its probably under the same accounts as numbers to her friends and family...
And yea, just like the Bush's and Obama's, the Clinton's are a rich political dynasty today where what really goes on will never be known and we can only guess based on evidence. More evidence is here that all of our politicians are nothing but psychopaths and would probably throw their own mothers under the bus for political power....
This seems indicative of sense that the rules do not apply to me.
Nobody who would vote for Hillary Clinton will care about things like this.
That's a broad and largely inaccurate statement.
A lot of them will care very much, but not enough to vote for a candidate with much more serious flaws.
There might be some hoopla on Twitter and Fox News for a few days, and then there will be some stragglers like with Benghazi, but it will mostly fade out of the mainstream media within a few hours from now.
What does this have to do with Benghazi? If anything there's a major difference in that Clinton actually did something wrong in this one.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken
Did you respond to the wrong post? Nothing I wrote can be read as "The other lizards did it" - not without cropping the entire post to remove all context.
The point I made (I'm not even "excusing" her) is that the law she's accused of breaking is an executive decree that was made TWO YEARS AFTER SHE LEFT OFFICE.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Richard Nixon proposed and drove the creation of the EPA.
He expanded Medicare coverage to include long-term disabled under 65.
He created the Federal disability insurance (SSDI).
He proposed a national health care plan, with federal subsidies (something more "socialized" than Obamacare).
Advocating any of these things today would make it impossible for any Republican to get the Presidential nomination.
After some quick digging, this appears to be the law broken:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
Basically, she was required by law to archive her communications on federal servers. She did not.
Also of note, according to TSG she forwarded classified intelligence Emails to Sidney Blumenthal, who was not a federal employee.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/d...
The different is Hillary Clinton is a very bright woman, at the top of her game, recognisable around the world; she knew what she was doing.
I remember an interview from years back where she was asked if she used email and her response was along the lines of " Oh no. Emails are discoverable".
So yes, she knew exactly what she was doing and why she was doing it.
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For all of you 20-yr-olds...
Bush & co did it first.
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Nobody is talking about Republicans, their crimes or what they will do. Let's not project on Republicans what the Democrats do daily with their own special version of vitriol and rancor. Let's face it, besides Fox News and Al Jazera, you can't tune into a news program that isn't controlled by the left wing. So no reason to even try and deflect here. Hillary is a liar and a cheat and a good one at that. I thought she made a good Secretary of State, just for the record.
She didn't lie or cheat, at least not based on the emails. Until the current secretary of state, they all used their personal emails and phones for work. They all, including Hillary, then turned over the non-classified emails as required by law. There is no law that says she or any other government official must use a government supplied phone or email address. There is a law that prohibits them from using a government phone or email for non-government purposes. As such, most use their own phone and turn over the records, as required by law.
So, I'd like to see the text of the "rule" saying she needed to use a .gov account before saying she broke the law. (People seem to be referring to the 2013 National Archives and Records Administration guidance as the "rules", but 2013 was after she left office.)
After some quick digging, this appears to be the law broken:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
Basically, she was required by law to archive her communications on federal servers. She did not.
The link you give says nothing of the sort. The link states that a government may require an ISP to archive e-mail subject to a subpoena.
That has precisely nothing to do with State Department employees, nor does it say anything whatsoever about what e-mail addresses they use.
Also of note, according to TSG she forwarded classified intelligence Emails to Sidney Blumenthal, who was not a federal employee.
That is a great example of "ABCs"-- Argument By Changing the subject.
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The law doesn't forbid the use of personal accounts.
But that's beside the point, as you can't break a law that wasn't even written, let alone put into effect, until after you left office.
The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014 became law on November 26, 2014.
She stepped down as Secretary Feb 1, 2013.
http://mediamatters.org/resear...
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.