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France Will Block Web Sites That Promote Terrorism
An anonymous reader writes In the first use of government powers enacted after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the French Interior Ministry on Monday ordered five websites blocked on the grounds that they promote or advocate terrorism. The action raises questions about how governments might counter groups such as the self-declared Islamic State on digital platforms.
Why not block portions of Facebook and Twitter, which are used as recruiting tools and communications channels? (Though a block of ALL of Facebook and Twitter would be popular with everyone tired of the "chatter")?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
THAT'S the relevant question here.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
so... to protect the free speach of Charlie Hebdo, they ban or block speech that fall under the loose term of "terrorism"
They should just redirect all incoming traffic to a Rick Astley video.
If you allow the site to remain accessible, monitoring the traffic to/from will give you a clear bead on terrorist sympathizers in your midst. It will also give you a reading on how effective the terrorist's campaign is, and among what demographics. All of this is very useful intel for defeating them.
Also, being in the spotlight makes them more susceptible to public mockery.
Blocking it just legitimizes their position (in the minds of some), and people who are interested will just work around your blocks (most likely in ways that makes them harder to trace).
Whoever came up with this policy is either completely empty-headed, or isn't trying to harm terrorism at all (but is instead trying to endear him/her self to a group of empty-headed people who think this is a good idea).
Where did they pick up the desire to do that? Who is poisoning their young minds?
Maybe they feel alienated because their websites are censored, they are told how to dress, and so many Europeans think they should "go home". In America, Muslims are as free to speak as anyone else, they are welcome to wear their head scarfs to school, and they are well integrated into society. They are also a tenth as likely to join ISIS.
Except that basically all extant religions feed on ANYTHING that can be construed as persecution. By trying to censor, you only strengthen their resolve. Same shit with Neo-nazis and Mein Kampf. Nothing could do more damage to that movement than exposing that Das Fuhrer had the language skills of a middle school American sleeping through their first semester German class.
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While I agree that stopping terrorists are important, there are things worse than that. Removing our freedoms (like here: freedom of religion) seemes to me to be one of them. It is reasonable to prevent people from aiding violent extremists of any kind, but there is little link between that and islam. I.e. there are over 1bn muslims. How many muslim terrorist have we seen the last 50 years? If it is not more than 100,000 (which seems magnitudes too large), that is still less than 0.01% which is basically just a rounding error.
So, you're saying that if we treat our fellow human beings like humans, they are less likely to try and murder us? That sounds ridiculous.
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People who think the United States is hostile towards immigrants should spend some time in Europe as one, particularly one of color.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Also, for best experience try to spend some time in Europe in a predominant Muslim neighbourhood, preferably as an attractive young woman.
I think if you want to support ISIS and fundamentalist Islam in a Western country, you should be given a one-way ticket to the Islamic country of your choice. Islam and Western civilization do not mix well. Trying to fight ISIS (or the 20% or so of Muslims who tacitly support it by wanting Sharia Law applied to all) is a terribly bloody idea. Better to let the people of a country run it the way they see fit-- and if that means a 7th century lifestyle, so be it. I am opposed to a "war on ISIS", but not opposed to expelling ISIS sympathizers from any country that doesn't want them. So.. Recruit away... and off ye go to an Islamic Utopia.
You are mistake Islam, the religion, with Islamism, the ideology of imposing a certain interpretation of Islam, and features of some ethnical identity strongly associated with Islam, over people. Islam is no poison any degree more than other religions, because it is nothing more than that: a religion.
Moreover, there is a huge mistake when as it seems to be your case, one considers the main cause of terrorism perpetrated by Moslem or Islamists to be Islam itself. It is not so simple. Moslems in western countries are pushed to identify themselves with Islamists because they are discriminated as if they were so. As for the cause of Islamism, it is western occupation. Europeans, especially French and English in the past, occupied land where Moslem lived, which caused a lot of resentment. Later, the English and UN imposed a the creation of a Jewish state in what was known as Palestine with no regard to the people who lived there. And now, Americans have set foot on two Islam countries. Do you think the Iraqis should stay passive while their country is sacked by a hostile, foreign forces?
Do you think the Quran teaches to hate Christians and Jews? Jew-hating in Middle East was in the same levels, or lower, as in Christian countries until the State of Israel was created, until western countries supported the Shah's corrupt regime in Persia.
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Learn your 20th century history. Secular socialist/communist states were responsible for the murder of their own citizens in the high tens of millions, possibly topping over 100 million. If you include deaths through gross mismanagement of resources and criminal negligence, it goes higher, and easily eclipses the sum total of all those dead in religious wars through all of human history.
Europe is traditionally a place that people leave so it's not surprising that they haven't figured out how to assimilate immigrants.
It's not even the immigrants that are the biggest problem. It's the 2nd/3rd generation young kids (mostly men 18-25) from immigrants that came over in the 60's and 70's that are causing the most problem. Those are people that grew up there.
Oh, glad that those misguided idiots now can't have access to content promoting hatred in the name of religion.
Unless of course he goes to his local mosque. So let's shut down the mosques. Then they'll get together somewhere else.
Face it. There's no way you can keep idiots from being caught by sects. What you can do, and best would be such a way as this, is to make this harder to observe by your security forces.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Also, get outside military out of their country. That tends to piss off most humans. Example: US Revolutionary War.
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Seriously. If more people had read Mein Kampf, a lot of shit would have been spared from us. Simply because more people would have noticed just what a lunatic that guy was.
Personally, I'd make it mandatory lecture for every neo nazi just to show them what kind of fucked up megalomaniac they idolize.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
its only terrorism when those we don;t agree with do it.
of a bunch of politicians who were soap-boxing about freedom of the press and "je suis Charlie" engaging in this kind of censorship. All speech is free, but some speech is more free than others. I don't think there's anyone alive who is in a position to form an unbiased judgment of whether a terrorist site, a porn site or Charlie Hebdo is more offensive. Offense, like beauty, is in the mind of the beholder.
We are the 198 proof..
Charlie Hebdo is actually anti-racist, left-wing, and will mock nationalist party National Front just as much as different religions, including Judaism and Christianity. They only seem to be anti-Muslim, because that's the only group that can't take a joke.
He's objectifying him. ;-)
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It's Mein Fuhrer.
(Did you even take part in the Hitler Youth?)
It's the 2nd/3rd generation young kids (mostly men 18-25) from immigrants that came over in the 60's and 70's that are causing the most problem. Those are people that grew up there.
In America, it is the exact opposite. By the 2nd/3rd generation they are fully integrated, speak only English, mostly marry outside their ethnicity, vote Republican, and are complaining about all the dirty Mexicans coming over the border.
A lot of the "lack of opportunities" is their own fault. There are plenty of Eastern European immigrants in Western Europe that are working their asses off, even though they don't speak the language and have low education. There are Asian immigrants, and 2nd/3rd generation that are working hard and doing well in schools.
It's predominantly the immigrants from Northern African descent that don't speak the language properly, don't bother to get a good education, and don't show much respect for the non-Muslim population.
The Japanese twitter meme contest was a far better counter attack than or censorship or war.
Terror is a feeling and humor is the antidote. Just as the Scary Movie franchise ruined classic horror, once it's mocked and funny, those giggling are no longer scared. They are empowered and immune to that pattern of fear. The Daily Show is also founded on this, as is/was Charlie Hebdo. France agrees with Charlie, but still fails to understand the guiding principles.
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Charlie Hebdo was not found to cross those limits.
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to me it's simple: everything should be free speech, except that speech which calls for the violent removal of free speech
only that should be censored, and there is zero logical contradiction
because to allow free speech to promote the destruction of free speech is self-destruction
like how germany outlaws nazi imagery: to me, an american, this feels like arbitrary censorship incompatible with the idea of a free society. but to a german, what nazism represents is the violent destruction of freedoms. therefore, censoring symbolism which is all about destroying freedom is not a contradiction, because they have first hand experience with what allowing violent freedom destruction actually leads to
intolerance itself, and intolerance of intolerance, are completely opposite concepts. it's not hypocrisy at all
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Key difference: America gets the rich, civilized, polite, loyal ones.
Europe is in a bad neighbourhood. Also, we have dumb leaders who thought for decades, that it was good idea to import the biggest lowlifes they could find from all over the world to complete with local minimum-wage labour...
So now we have TWO huge, festering underclasses -- the old white one, and the new Muslim one. All the while, real wages and standards of living are plummeting everywhere.
It's by design: the Right get to divide and further strip-mine the lower classes, and the Left get to organize angry brown people (because they treat the white underclass with contempt for not having embraced the class struggle).
Only now, after decades of torrential low-quality immigration of countless millions of useless, unskilled, uncultured and shit-poor people; have our wonderful leaders figured out there might be a problem. Unfortunately the horse has already bolted...
The fact that you guys are championing censorship itself.. is a glaring example of just how far humanity has fallen.
I wonder why so many people wear Che t-shirts..........have they ever read any of Che's prose?
"The situation was uncomfortable for the people and for Eutimio so I ended the problem giving him a shot with a .32 pistol in the right side of the brain, with exit orifice in the right temporal." - Che Guevara
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
Nothing has changed. Hitler advocated hatred of a group (jews at the time) as a method of establishing national unity. Today the same thing is going on. 40 years ago everyone hated commies. 20 years ago everyone hated faggots. Today everyone hates pedophiles, terrorists, and anyone with backwards thinking (meaning anyone over the age of 40). Of coarse our present hatreds are perfectly justified, unlike those racists bastards who hated the wrong sorts of people back in the olden days.