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Amazon Announces Unlimited Cloud Storage Plans

An anonymous reader sends word that Amazon is now offering unlimited cloud storage plans to compete with Google Drive, and Microsoft OneDrive. "Last year, Amazon gave a boost to its Prime members when it launched a free, unlimited photo storage for them on Cloud Drive. Today, the company is expanding that service as a paid offering to cover other kinds of content, and to users outside of its loyalty program. Unlimited Cloud Storage will let users get either unlimited photo storage or "unlimited everything" — covering all kinds of media from videos and music through to PDF documents — respectively for $11.99 or $59.99 per year."

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  1. MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Never. Never ever. I run a couple of servers here at home, and have my own 30 TB cloud. Pricing model: simple. I buy used servers, at about e 300 apiece, and stick in new hdds. For 30 TB and a three-year write-off, that is € 625 / year. Expensive ? Yes. But what I get is priceless: total control

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    1. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used = high electric. YOU LOSE!R

    2. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 2

      A used HP Microserver ( Gen 8 ), its standard, out-of the box Celeron processor replaced by a Xeon E3, needs about 50 Watts, idling, and maxes out at 75 Watts. It manages 8 TB in a RAID array. If you call that high electricity, I don't know what your mental model of "low electricity" is.

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    3. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Three year write-off? Is that not too short?
      https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/
      This was mentioned on slashdot many months ago. It is data on hard disk failures released by backblaze, a cloud backup service.

    4. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 2

      From a hardware point of view, yes, that is too short. Hdds last longer than that - and I am familiar with the post mentioned by you. But my tax advisor, who also does all of my accounting, leaves me no choice but to ( financially ) write them off in 3 years.

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    5. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and you're running other servers off-site ? ..because you know, a fire, a burglar, some kind of accident and your data is lost...

    6. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when your house burns down?

    7. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "But what I get is priceless: total control"

      Unless there's a fire, a break-in, an earthquake, a tsunami...
      Or do you also have backups all over the world? After all, you pay 10 times the Amazon price.

    8. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but it won't scratch his OCD/Autism itch

    9. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 0

      Fire: the data is partitioned into two categories: one I can afford to lose, and one I can't afford to lose ( source code, personal stuff, financial stuff ). The latter category is by far the smallest in size, currently about 100 Gb. I run a backup once per week, and keep those backups in another location. Break-in: very difficult in this place, but not impossible. I would, however, doubt that any burglars would take servers with them ( burglars are known to take only light and easy-to-carry stuff ). There is a cigar box with some € 100 in cash, close to the door to the room with the servers. The cash is meant as bait. IF, however, they take the servers: see above, at "Fire". Earthquake: extremely rare, here in Austria, though not unheard off. Early last year we had one that hit about 2.5 on the Richter scale. I was in bed at that moment, and was woken up by it. It felt as if a large truck drove by the house. The last earthquakes that brought down complete buildings on a large scale goes back to the 14th century. For the rest: see above, at "Fire".

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    10. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. It sounds incredibly stupid. The cost of servers, hard drives, power, lots of time invested and all... He estimates it at € 625 / year but it's probably more than that. All that for keeping a single copy (no backups, much less one with tested/known good ones) of his files in a single location...

      Meanwhile, I can have all of my truly important stuff (my photos) for $12/year. Zero worries about hardware, server maintenance, hardware life-cycles, backups, air conditioning and such.

    11. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. It sounds incredibly stupid.

      What he's doing isn't stupid if he is willing to pay the ~$1k+ premium of running & maintaining that set up + viable backup for the benefits he feels it provides.

      It is however incredibly stupid to compare it to online solutions like Google Drive and this Amazon service. It's like comparing buying chopped tomatoes with having your own tomato farm and processing plant because you want to know the origin and factory conditions.

    12. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats a pretty good way to save money. Are you by chance using ZFS?

    13. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by swb · · Score: 1

      The electricity cost is what's so painful. I have an old Intel Q6600 system with 4x1TB disks. Power consumption is something like 110 watts, or $11/month.

      I could swap the drives out and keep power about the same, but at some point it becomes kind of expensive to keep spinning disks.

    14. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At 8TB, I don't know what your mental model of unlimited is, but 15W in a dual bay $80 NAS should cover it. Most of my data is accessed a few times a year, so cold storage on a shelf at zero watts works for me. Google keeps the rest. The sound of jet engines in my living room just doesn't appeal to me.

    15. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      No, I am not. Two of the machines use plain old ext4. The other one uses a mix of btrfs and tmpfs: tmpfs for reasons of speed, btrfs for experimenting purposes.

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    16. Re: MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by AngryLibertarian · · Score: 2

      What's your offsite backup method to protect against fires?

    17. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 0

      I only told you half the story. The other half is: a pair of Fujitsu Primergy TX 200 S7 servers, not dedicated to storage. ( Those were bought used, too, at about 1 year old they went for 1/3 of the original price. ) Each server has 2 sockets, and each socket has a Xeon E5 2420 processor with 6 cores / 12 threads. Makes 48 threads total. These little monsters run only when necessary. I am a freelance developer and software architect. Having this setup helps convincing customers that I know what I am doing, and know my way around storage and networks.

      Of course it's more than € 625 / year. Electric power is part of my operationg expenses, and can be offset from taxable revenue at 100%. I currently run about € 600 / year in electricity bills related to computing. At € 0.20 / kWh, this indicates a round-the-year average of € 600 /( € 0.20 / kWh ) / 365 / 24 = 342 Watts.

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    18. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encrypt, numbnuts. Your encrypted data in the cloud is at least as safe as that stuffed into your mattress.

      Someone can steal or (if you're under suspicion) get a warrant for the computers in your house. While I store backups locally AND in the cloud, I'm fairly sure Amazon's data centres are more resilient than my home office.

      Oh, and if you reply with, "Oh I can destroy the data with a trigger if someone breaks in at home!" then 1) you've been watchin too much TV and 2) your data wasn't all that important anyway.

    19. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My mental model of "low electricity" is a $20 pogoplug drawing basically nothing and sharing two USB3 disks, plus 1 SATA disk. The whole arrangement will use less than your CPU.

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    20. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to worry, your virginity is safe and secure.

    21. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you people wonder why your economy is in the shitter.

      What you have is a make work project, plain and simple. It isn't smart in any way shape or form.

    22. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never. Never ever. I run a couple of servers here at home, and have my own 30 TB cloud. Pricing model: simple. I buy used servers, at about e 300 apiece, and stick in new hdds. For 30 TB and a three-year write-off, that is € 625 / year. Expensive ? Yes. But what I get is priceless: total control

      How much you wanna bet that the "unlimited" storage will become a tiered-storage plan once people are hooked?

      I'm with you. I have my own servers and LOCAL cloud storage + backup strategy, and I'm doing just fine, thank you.

    23. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the data just vanishes from Amazon one day? I think that is more likely to happen actually.

    24. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Total control doesn't mean perfection. He has total control. His actions control the fate and risks of the drives 100%. There is no risk outsourced to a 3rd party entity.

    25. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You do realize that you can turn them off sometimes, right?

    26. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Unless there's a fire, a break-in, an earthquake, a tsunami...
      Or do you also have backups all over the world?

      Amazon also had incidents where natural disasters or human failure led to data loss for business customers, so I doubt they have distributed backups for 100% of the data.

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    27. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Continue hoarding old garbage. I'm sure you are a charming fellow.

    28. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      The Austrian economy is doing pretty well, thank you. So are some major economies of countries bordering on Austria: Germany, Switzerland.

      It is smart. I gain a lot of knowledge and insight from doing this, and these I increase my value as a freelancer, as pointed out above.

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    29. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True. I don't outsource any risk. Did you ever read "The Orange Book", on risk management ? It is a British government document, and considered rather as a classic on the topic. The TL;DR version: you only outsource risks if and when there are no new risks attached to the act of outsourcing itself. In my case, I consider there would be such extra risk: Amazon is a corporation I can't control, and it can change its policies any time. ( Please do note I do not even mention the NSA and the US state. There certainly is risk there, but I have no way of quantifying it. ) Moreover, once my data is with Amazon, getting it away from there ( if I ever want to do that ) becomes a guarantee for severe headaches, and in that case I would end up building my own cloud anyway.

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    30. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what bothers me. They're welcome to 10,000 pictures of my long since dead pets and relatives puling stupid faces, but sticking 200GB of pictures on someone else's servers will cost me X today but when they realise it's very popular, X will quickly become X*2 then X*3 and so on.

      The other thing is, with Glacier you get charged if you need to restore or delete anything, is this new storage the same? You stick it in there and find you cannot simply dump it if you need to without getting a hefty bill?

    31. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The server part is *part* of the consideration when building these things.

      You probably want a low power CPU/memory combo. It is after all a file server. Where the costs start to jump are power usage and HD costs.

      HDs go from 3-10w each in usage at idle still spinning. The CPU you put in the main box if it is server class can idle at 30-50w or more if you get an old one.

      So your up front cost may be low watch out for the recurring. It looks like Intel is going to up their flash game (they are talking 10TB by next year). Everyone else is going to have to keep up.

    32. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by N1AK · · Score: 2

      So, you've come back to respond and highlight how your use case is even less appropriate for on-line storage providers than it already seemed... somewhat emphasising my point about it being stupid to compare what you're doing to online storage solutions like this when they are entirely different.

    33. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My whole rack runs on ~105 watts. Including a 16TB NAS (RAID5), 20port Cisco gig switch, Cisco ASA 5505, cable modem, Two Supermicro sys-5018a-ftn4 servers running ESX 5.5 and a host of VMs (about 10) including a Sophos UTM, Plex server, SecurityOnion and various linux/win single solution servers. So, 75 watts for a single box (file serving at that)... personally, I think its alot. If I'm going to leave 75watt light bulb on all day... I want to make the most out of it. Then again, my setup was built with performance and ongoing costs (electricity) in mind. I started with a file server much like yours... and would get 90MB/sec throughput copying files, RAID5 P400 controller, etc... but ran around 100watts (20 just for the RAID card). since I only copy files once in awhile outside of streaming... getting by with a NAS @30ish MB/sec... it was an acceptable tradeoff since streaming has never been affected.

    34. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Bobberly · · Score: 2

      That comparison is only fair if the world would be shocked and willing to pay to see photos of your tomatoes in compromising positions.

    35. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a stupid fellow.

    36. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by swb · · Score: 1

      Sure, and I could also hotplug USB3 disks and cut even more power/space/complexity if I wanted to futz with turning it on and off.

      Power cycling a NAS may be worthwhile if it's some kind of archive you don't use often but it doesn't make a ton of sense if you want it online more than offline.

    37. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How would having a couple of servers prove to anyone that you know your way around storage and networks?

    38. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by dave420 · · Score: 2

      So your time is free? With encryption it doesn't matter who gets a copy of your files, making your "total control" argument seem rather silly. And you only end up with 30TB as well. Ouch.

    39. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by dave420 · · Score: 2

      It's not really your own cloud, just a centralised bunch of disks with a poor backup system. Getting your data from Amazon is easy, obviously, as that's the whole point. I've been using them for years and never had problems in that regard. Couple that with encryption, and you can take the benefits of Amazon's system (low cost, geographical spread, high availability, high speeds) without the down-sides. You can also couple Amazon's offerings with their virtual machines, something you can't do with your attempt of a cloud.

    40. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. Amazon is a greater risk because there are more known unknowns and unknown unknowns. They can build a cloud. If I build my own, I can specify the MTBF myself. I can spec higher or lower equipment. Same reason why building my own PC is a lower risk. Rather than unknown components, I can specify specific components. This modifies risk.

      Your stupid assertion is that risk is the same if you can't prove the risk is different. By that standard, parachuting without a chute is no more risky than snorkeling in a 5 ft pool. Neither are well defined risks, so we must accept them as equal.

      No, I don't believe in that religion. I'll stick to more traditional risk management practices.

      Or, to put it in the framework of your wrong religion, the risk is that the outsourcing company is lying to you. That is an additional risk that will always make outsourcing more risky than insourcing. It's the lazy and incompetent managers that mutter "core competency" while outsourcing the vital portions of the company. And the piles of consultants who make money writing rigged reports recommending outsourcing. Liars cheats and thieves.

      And you there, leading the charge.

    41. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then use a 5W CPU and set the disks to spin down after inactivity. Your argument only holds if the disks are spinning 100% of the time, which is only true if you have an incompetent idiot setting up your power-sensitive NAS, or are actually using it 100% of the time.

    42. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      What people need to realize is that rolling your own data storage solution increases the risk of being hacked, losing data due to disasters, or losing remote access to files due to stupid crap like a router dying. If you're just using a NAS to store your porn, then that's fine. You'll just torrent the files back again. BUT if you are talking about pictures from your childhood, business files, or other critical documents, you seriously need to consider if you have a sufficient backup policy with off-site storage, and if you're going to be disciplined enough to update your disaster recovery plans.

      I used to believe in rolling your own solution, until Synolocker came out. It became clear to me that Synology had no idea what it was doing with regard to security. I finally gave up and move my data over to Google Drive for Work. Sure, I'm giving data over to evil Google. BUT, I have access to my files anywhere with Internet access; I have two-factor authentication with the FIDO U2F app; I have a copy of the files on my computer as well as a backup in the Google cloud, which is pretty much a million times better than anything I can cook up.

      I also don't have to worry about hard drive failure, updating firmwares, etc., etc.

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    43. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Krojack · · Score: 1

      That's fine and dandy for you who seem to have the time to manage the systems. You're just one of the extreme few in the world that's willing to do this. Your average person can't do this or doesn't have the time. I use to love building these systems in my younger days but now I don't have the time to do it. I would rather update my data in an encrypted state to some servers that I know have countless forums of redundancy.

    44. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I guess the same thing that happens when the Amazon location with your data burns down.

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    45. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

      Curious what flavor of Cisco Gig switch you're running. I have a twenty four port Cisco 2970 Gig switch that sits unused in my closet because it draws ~70 watts all by itself at idle. The ASA will pull down about ~20 watts at idle, but will ramp up to about 90 or so under sustained load.

    46. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Chuckle.

      No need to quantify the NSA problem. It's a US based company, therefore any data stored within their cloud really just needs to be heavily encrypted by default. It's not even really a discussion point anymore, just one of those things you do.

      Though, to be fair, as long as your country allows it, all data should probably be encrypted regardless of where it is stored if it has any value whatsoever.

    47. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Your second house transparently gives you your stuff back? Awesome!

    48. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when your house burns down?

      I guess the same thing that happens when the Amazon location with your data burns down.

      Amazon restores the data on the guy's servers from their backups? No wonder everybody is all tinfoil hat over Amazon.

    49. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      When you freelance do you tell everyone to make their own "cloud", costing them hundreds of times more per megabyte? I really hope not :) Knowing how to properly administer an S3 backup solution would make far more sense, as that is cheaper, and far more reliable.

    50. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      What happens when your house burns down?

      I guess the same thing that happens when the Amazon location with your data burns down.

      Amazon restores the data on the guy's servers from their backups? No wonder everybody is all tinfoil hat over Amazon.

      Yes, exactly. just like Comcast offers service to the address of the house you are going to buy. At least until after you buy it.

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    51. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by kriston · · Score: 1

      I thought everyone knew that Amazon stores your data in a multitude of locations. Why didn't you know that?

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    52. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Oh I KNOW that they store it in a multitude of locations. What I want to know is what kind of technology they are using such that when their system crashes they manage to lose the data on ALL of the multitude of locations. That must be some pretty fancy technology.
      Or they don't really store it in multiple locations.

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    53. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? Never. Never ever."

      Says the guy with the gmail.com email account....

    54. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      No, you make the move if:

      r_cl r_l and
      C_clo C_l

      Where r_l/r_cl = risk of catastrophic loss on local config/cloud config, similar for the costs.

      You can calculate the cost of keeping production and migration systems running for a migration and shakedown period, as well as the risk/cost benefit of continuing the migration or shutting it down at any point. As such, one can estimate these costs and there are some points in the mathematical domain where it makes sense to migrate.

      However, I believe that we would strenuously disagree about the risk of a cloud system vs. a locally controlled system. Here's one way to think about it, though...

      I'd think that the cost of a contract on your system (should anyone choose to make one thereupon) would be considerably short of $100K. On Amazon's entire system? Millions. Refute that notion of risk estimation.

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    55. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm perplexed by your persistently unwarranted hostility towards OP. Particularly on a site like Slashdot, you'd think OP would get some positive comments.

      Are you perhaps jealous of his setup? Skillset?

      If you feel everything technical should be outsourced -- even personal, at-home projects -- then perhaps you should instead visit sites frequented by MBA's instead of geeks.

      Just saying.

    56. Re: MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no way all that runs on 105 watts. I have a low power AMD with 6 2TB drives that pulls more than that. Also when you house burns down where is the backup? I prefer to trust a real enterprise cloud to my prized data.

    57. Re: MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or there's something that wasn't distributed properly. Generally speaking, there's an authoritative record somewhere that can be corrupted. Even if 100% of the sectors of your drives are intact, when the bits on disk are encrypted and the filesystem scheme is corrupt, that data is essentially gone.

    58. Re:MY data in AMAZON's cloud ?? by kriston · · Score: 1

      I'm going to ignore your sarcasm since I believe that sarcasm invalidates your argument.

      But, since you asked, AMZN has recently enhanced S3 with cross-region replication, not just cross-availability zone replication, per this announcement:

      https://docs.aws.amazon.com/Am...

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  2. Encrypt client side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Can we get that data encrypted client side with a third party Dropbox-like app?

    1. Re:Encrypt client side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use this to store my pictures on Amazon Glacier but it can use S3 as well (and other cloud storage providers). Client side encryption, low price. Not affiliated with them and I assume there are other similar products: cloudberrylab.com

    2. Re:Encrypt client side by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Based on their API reference 3rd-party apps that do whatever you want on the client side certainly look doable enough.

      Obviously, the various stuff about "Access your files on all your devices!" and "Build into all your Amazon devices!" and whatnot is going to be less useful, so they are clearly expecting most customers to not do that(and implicitly encouraging them not to); but the service itself doesn't appear to have any objections to you dropping encrypted blobs into it.

      (Now, what Amazon would do if you were to use something like PNGdrive, to get the advantages of the rather more expensive 'unlimited files' tier using only the 'unlimited photos' tier, I don't know; but I suspect that they would be less happy...)

    3. Re:Encrypt client side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You could run a OwnCloud server, with own storage, and then clone the client side encrypted data to Amazon, as a remote backup in case the OwnCloud server fries, burns down with your house, gets stolen, or confiscated by authorities. Lots of ways to do that. Personally I use a Rasp 2 and a RAID USB enclosure.

      I don't clone to a remote place yet, but I would like to. If my house burns down, I would like to not loose my data too - it would be horrible enough to loose my physical possessions. I've lost 15 years of my life, because of poor backup practices, so I'm getting pretty paranoid about my data these days. Also my partner is a scientist, and he would like a place to keep his research documents safe, in a place that is encrypted, such that others cannot steal it. (And he doesn't trust the university to provide that service - and I sort of agree, the IT department there is run by student workers, and they're not in CS students)

    4. Re:Encrypt client side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (addendum: I have no specific experience with PNGdrive, it was just the first example that popped up, and you'd probably need something slightly different for a practical implementation exploiting Amazon's pricing, ideally it'd look and act exactly like a filesystem on your end and handle the encryption, division into chunks, injection of each chunk into a valid image file, and uploading and downloading from Amazon silently in the background. Given the relatively atrocious access times, compared to local disk, you'd probably want a caching mechanism as well, unless you were using it purely for bulk backups.

      Doing such a system right would require some actual thinking; but doing it well enough to be a proof of concept that would probably piss Amazon off would be trivial. If you were feeling really, really, lazy, you could just dump base64 encoded data into the EXIF fields of unmodified images, and skip that pesky 'having to know anything about image formats or manipulation thereof stuff, unless you actually needed the steganographic goodies that people sneaking other files into images are usually looking for.)

    5. Re:Encrypt client side by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, what USB RAID enclosures do you recommend?

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    6. Re:Encrypt client side by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Based on their API reference [amazon.com] 3rd-party apps that do whatever you want on the client side certainly look doable enough.

      The downside is that it doesn't appear to support block-level file changes -- you can only create or overwrite an entire file at once. This means that storing something like a 50GB TrueCrypt volume isn't really feasible and you'd have to encrypt all your files individually. This is more difficult and more prone to mistakes.

      Hopefully they expand the API at some point to allow binary delta updates of some kind, but their omission could have been a conscious decision to try and discourage people from storing huge files and big encrypted containers.

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    7. Re:Encrypt client side by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that they've given considerable thought to subtly discouraging very heavy use, and looked at how different users actually tend to use online storage space, along with how much opportunity for additional profit there might be(eg. a 'photo storage' user might be a good candidate for being sold prints or something, while a 'generic files' user might not); and I imagine that lack of block level control helps. It would be interesting to know what the number-crunching looked like to arrive at those price points; though I'm sure that those data are not going to be public anytime soon.

      However, I suspect that it's also there, at least in part, because this service is a relatively thin skin of consumer-friendly abstraction layer on top of S3, which is also object based. Amazon does have a block storage offering; but they only seem particularly interested in people using block storage 'devices' as disks on EC2 instances, rather than on farming them out over the web.

      There is nothing stopping you from configuring the OS on an EC2 instance to function as a file server and getting remote access to block storage that way; but it doesn't seem to be the encouraged use case.

      I don't know nearly enough about large-scale storage to say why they prefer object based storage over block based storage; but my understanding is that, even in the paid seats, object based storage is very much what they are offering, for anything externally accessed, with their block-based offering more or less there to allow you to configure the 'disks' in your EC2 'server' with a bit more granularity.

  3. NSA funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this product is being funded by the NSA through covert means?

    1. Re:NSA funded? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      I was about posting exactly that. Please mod parent up!

  4. API by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it have API for uploading/downloading data? (EDIT, I see there is - https://developer.amazon.com/public/apis/experience/cloud-drive/)
    Are there any bandwidth limits or other kind of limits?

  5. Beware the incoming LART by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say 210 watts system power at the wall. 5000 watts a day. Say $0.20/kWh. That is $1/day. No biggie? That's almost $400 a year. Per server. You claim how many? Funny how one under states power/CPU use but over states the rest. Who you lying for?

    Amazon gives you infinite store for $60 a year.

    That is why America rulez! and the Greeks druelz!

    1. Re:Beware the incoming LART by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Say 210 watts system power at the wall. 5000 watts a day. Say $0.20/kWh. That is $1/day. No biggie? That's almost $400 a year. Per server. You claim how many? Funny how one under states power/CPU use but over states the rest. Who you lying for?

      Amazon gives you infinite store for $60 a year.

      That is why America rulez! and the Greeks druelz!

      And if he pays for electric heat, some of that comes back in the form of not needing to heat as much. Even in summer time, sin ome places the basement is too cold to use as living space without heating it.

      As usual, do the math and decide for yourself it it works for you.

  6. unlimited? by ei4anb · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if Kim Dotcom has an account yet?

    1. Re:unlimited? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Username: Mega
      Password: mega.co.nz

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  7. Ehhhhhhhhcellent! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now I have somewhere to put my advertised "unlimited retension" Usenet servers!

  8. Link to the official announcement? by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why do people link to blog posts that neglect to link to the original source?

    A little digging, and it seems on the surface to have similar restrictions as BackBlaze, as it's only for "for personal, non-commercial purposes".

    So I can't store my ~3PB of telescope data on there, or even just the jpeg browse images.

    The terms of use mention that you can share files .. but do they charge you for downloads, as with their other cloud service offerings, or is that included in the 'unlimited'?

      (I might be an old fogey, but I remember when you used to link to a blog post to set context *and* link to the original source in the summary, rather than just some shallow 'I've cherry picked the info'. At least Roland and Coondoggie linked back to their original sources, even if Coondoggies were almost exclusively regurgitation of press releases + a links back to Network World))

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    1. Re:Link to the official announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's only for "for personal, non-commercial purposes".

      So, umm, my pr0n stash is ok then...

    2. Re:Link to the official announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So I can't store my ~3PB of telescope data on there, or even just the jpeg browse images.

      I read it as -- I can store my 3PB of telescope data, but I can't store your 3PB of telescope data on there. But realistically, I have no expectation of them honoring it like this... they probably go like the Microsoft way... http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-limits-of-unlimited-onedrive-storage/

    3. Re:Link to the official announcement? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Other providers like Tencent are offering a few terabytes for free, so the only real reason to pay Amazon is for their guaranteed service level... Which appears to be non-existent. So, I'm not sure why you would pay $60/year for this.

      I like having unlimited on-line encrypted backups. If good software is available that supports Amazon I suppose that would be a selling point.

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    4. Re:Link to the official announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And most people who aren't weebs like yourself aren't dumb enough to trust their (even encrypted) data to a Chinese company like Tencent.

  9. linux? by kharchenko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will they have a linux client?

    1. Re: linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please share more of your wisdom.

  10. Makes Google look bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google seems to be dragging their feet with their expensive and annoying "per month" only plans.

    Come on google get the lead out.

  11. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had heard rumors that Amazon had updated their cloud to a Cumulonimbus.

  12. Yeah, no thanks Amazon, I'll stick to my own NAS. by hack++slash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We may change, suspend or discontinue the Service, or any part of it, at any time without notice."

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  13. Re:Yeah, no thanks Amazon, I'll stick to my own NA by jafiwam · · Score: 1

    "We may change, suspend or discontinue the Service, or any part of it, at any time without notice."

    Google has that problem too. And they have a long track record of abruptly killing services.

  14. Now all I need is 1gbps bandwidth and no data caps by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    Guess I better move to Europe.

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  15. Useless to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Cellular is the only way I can get Internet at home thanks to lax regulation and the complete absence of a requirement that the billions of dollars in tax gifts given to the big ISPs be used to actually build out infrastructure, this is useless to me.

  16. The real headline: The free ride is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the email I received from Amazon this morning:

    What happens to my current plan?
    Your 5 GB plan is no longer available and has been replaced with a free 3-month trial of one of the Unlimited plans. Access to your existing files has not changed. You can continue to download and view your content. In order to upload new files you will need to pick one of the free 3-month trials.

    TL;DR: If you had the free 5GB Cloud Drive tier, you'll need to pay up or find another storage provider.

  17. No more free tier by MadChicken · · Score: 1

    The aggravating part is that the free 5GB you used to have is gone now (source: email). All I wanted it for is Kindle document storage, which is unavailable at the $12/year level. It looks like I have to pay $60/year to store a few books.

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    1. Re:No more free tier by mcgett · · Score: 1

      You must have missed the part where the $11.99/year unlimited photos plan includes 5GB for videos and documents.

    2. Re:No more free tier by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      The 5GB is still there:

      +5 GB to Store Videos and Files
      As part of the Unlimited Photos plan, you'll also get 5 GB of space free to store non-photo files (like videos).

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    3. Re:No more free tier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $12 is cheap, but not free

    4. Re: No more free tier by MadChicken · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah guess I did.

      Still, I only want a few hundred MB for mobi files (maybe less than a hundred). That's all I will make use of in the plan... I know its only $1 a month but unless they integrate with pretty much everything, I will still need another cloud plan.

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    5. Re:No more free tier by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      But I think it addresses MadChicken's concern.

      I (well, my wife) has Prime so I get it for free.

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  18. test this and uploaded petabytes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People need to test this and see how unlimited it is... just to see when they cut you off. upload all the data at CERN.

  19. Terms by carni · · Score: 1

    You may not share files (a) that contain defamatory, threatening, abusive, pornographic, or otherwise objectionable material, (b) that advocate bigotry, hatred, or illegal discrimination. "Otherwise objectionable"? "Advocate bigotry"?

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    1. Re:Terms by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Mega had no such terms, since they have no way of enforcing them anyway.

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    2. Re:Terms by Art3x · · Score: 1

      In Springfield, Missouri, there was a law that your car music must not be heard more than 15 feet away, or something like that. Almost never enforced but useful against someone blaring their heavy-bass car stereo. Overly broad rules seldom enforced are common. In the hands of a scrupulous cop, they are convenient and don't really harm anyone. In the hands of someone unscrupulous person, a broad or vague law is dangerous. But then again, just about any law, no matter how well worded, can be misused by someone evil.

    3. Re: Terms by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      You know, you should really be a bigot. *click*

  20. US Only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those wondering I emailed them and this is what I got as a reply:

    Hello,

    I understand your concern about accessing new Cloud Drive Plans in Amazon.ca.

    I've checked with our technical team and see that currently these plans aren't available in Amazon.ca.

    I'm extremely sorry as I can realize this must be a disappointing news for you, but I hope you understand my limitations in this case. We've already raised the request to our technical team who are working hard to implement this feature in our international sites.

    I understand that we are unable to fulfill your request as of now, but I'll definitely do my best to forward your concern to our Cloud Drive team to raise the severity.

    1. Re: US Only by MadChicken · · Score: 1

      Does that mean we lose our 5GB and get nothing to replace it with?

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  21. define "photo" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't find their definition of a photo. Its that .jpg, .png, .gif, .raw ?

    1. Re:define "photo" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201649930

      Unsupported RAW should be converted to DNG for storage.

  22. Re:Yeah, no thanks Amazon, I'll stick to my own NA by qvatch · · Score: 1

    they have at least given quite a bit of notice (of the shutdown date, not the intention) and allowed bulk export of your data. But yes, how hard would it be to at least give a minimum warning garantee?

  23. Price difference for more that images is steep by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

    I find the price difference for storing more than just images to be pretty steep. Wouldn't it save money to use stenography to store your files inside of some images so you could get around their stupid rule? You could even up the amount of data storage inside the image since you don't really care if the image looks good afterwords. Just have the file name and structure of an image would work even though it looks like static or something. Then you run them through a program that extracts all the files and if needed puts them back together like a multi-part rar file or something.

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    1. Re:Price difference for more that images is steep by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Or, you could just pay the sixty bucks.

      PS It's steganography. Stenography is for taking dictation.

    2. Re:Price difference for more that images is steep by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I find the price difference for storing more than just images to be pretty steep. Wouldn't it save money to use stenography to store your files inside of some images so you could get around their stupid rule?

      It's not a stupid rule. Pictures are small, so they can guess that the storage use of your "all-you-can-store" buffet will be smaller. The fact that it breaks down in edge cases isn't terribly relevant.,/p>

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  24. Home can be changed by tepples · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    Since Cellular is the only way I can get Internet at home

    That can be changed. Consensus from the last story is that you need to set up Internet service as a condition of the purchase of a house.

  25. Unlimited or Unlimited* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because someone is going to send an endless stream of huge files to this "unlimited" storage just to find out. Why not just put the cards on the table and be frank with your customers from start?

  26. Re:Yeah, no thanks Amazon, I'll stick to my own NA by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    If by "abruptly" you mean "with plenty of notice and a straightforward way to download all of your old data".

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  27. Compelling Price. Will Google respond? by glucoseboy · · Score: 1

    I was all set to pull the trigger with Amazon and sign up for the $60/ unlimited. Lots of family pictures and videos that would now be accessable to my family all over the world.. But then I thought..... won't Google adjust it's pricing?

  28. Crashplan by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    For DIY offsite backup I use crashplan. Their system lets you use their servers if you choose (for payment) but it also lets you use a remote disk you have over at a freinds house too, or one attached to your computer. I bought their software after using the free version for years. Besides being a nice automated backup system, the killer thing was the ability to backup offsite to a friends house. I do it mutually with them, each keeping the other's USB disk at our respective homes.

    What's great about this is that if I do ever need to do a full backup, I don't have to try streaming it back through a soda straw over the web. I just drive the station wagon over, pick up the disk, and bring it home. Station wagons have very high bandwidth.

    The disk is encrypted so no worries about peepers or what happens if my freinds computer gets broken into.

    The payware version is a one time payment not a monthly fee. What you get for the payware version is more parsimonious differential backups and some other features about controlling backup times.

    The software has gotten much better over the years too. Early on my complaint was the java bloated itself out to huge memory sizes over time. But now I don't even notice it is running.

    Anytime I need to do a bigger than normal backup, I go get the disk and attach it locally, then take it back. That only happens when there's an unusual event. For example, if I make a major change in the structure of my file system, copy everything to a new disk or do something that touches all the files, then this could, in most backup systems, trigger a level 0 backup. So when that happens it's much easier to get things up to date then with any on-the-net storage system.

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  29. Re:Yeah, no thanks Amazon, I'll stick to my own NA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That is why Amazon should be treated as a backup, not primary storage.

  30. Re:Compelling Price. Will Google respond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is already free. Just resize your pictures to be under 2048x2048...

  31. Re:Now all I need is 1gbps bandwidth and no data c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe you can split the rent with this guy?

  32. Unlimited Photos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously they want to analyze unlimited amount of photos for faces, places, aliens... without raising any suspicion.

  33. Not so fast Aussies by Strepto · · Score: 1

    I tried to sign up for the trial but only got the 5gb free plan. When I sent them an enquiry about this I got this slightly odd reply: "I regret to inform you that this feature is not yet available in Amazon.com.au. Amazon.com.au does not comment about rumours or speculative news reports. I can't provide any additional information on this issue. I hope this helps." Well, no, Amazon, not really...

  34. Re:Compelling Price. Will Google respond? by MadChicken · · Score: 1

    Flickr is 1TB free, with no resizing necessary, AFAIK.

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  35. Uploader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The uploader is 37.2 MB just for the installer. What on earth is in this thing? Too suspicious for me.