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Microsoft Considered Giving Away Original Xbox

donniebaseball23 writes While the term 'Xbox' is firmly implanted in every gamer's mind today, when Microsoft first set out to launch a console in 2001, people weren't sure what to expect and Microsoft clearly wasn't sure what approach to take to the market. As Xbox co-creator Seamus Blackley explained, "In the early days of Xbox, especially before we had figured out how to get greenlit for the project as a pure game console, everybody and their brother who saw the new project starting tried to come in and say it should be free, say it should be forced to run Windows after some period of time." Blackley added that other ideas were pushed around at Microsoft too, like Microsoft should just gobble up Nintendo. "Just name it, name a bad idea and it was something we had to deal with," he said.

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  1. They might as well have. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all was said and done, the Xbox lost Microsoft 4 billion dollars. They bought their way in.

    1. Re:They might as well have. by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More than that... in 2012, I had once estimated that they blew $7bn on the enterprise, and though they're raking in something like $200m/yr (IIRC) in profits now
      (mostly from dev house licensing), they have yet to fill that titanic money hole they dug with the thing.

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  2. Dumping by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft using their leverage in other areas to elbow their way into a new market? You don't say...

    I'm sure the U.S. Commerce Secretary and the FTC would've had a field day over this.

    1. Re:Dumping by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny

      And, as usual, without having the slightest idea of what to do with the technology other than try to get market share.

      So I'm forced to conclude most of the successes Microsoft has had in the last decade or more have largely been accidental instead of strategic, and that Microsoft just stumbles around in the dark until something works.

      And then they spend years trying to understand why it worked in the first place and how to replicate it.

      It's official, Microsoft is the Inspector Clouseau of the tech world.

      That's pretty sad.

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    2. Re:Dumping by Ravaldy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's nothing wrong with trying things and stumbling across a working product, solution or theory. That's what humans have been doing for as long as we have existed. Every company I've worked for have tried to introduce new services or products not knowing ahead of time if they would be successful. Some were, some weren't.

      On a side note, MS has always taken tons of feedback from their partners, big and small. What they have done more recently is actually listen to the end users, something they lacked to do in the past.

    3. Re:Dumping by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Tell us your thoughts on Google while you're at it.

    4. Re:Dumping by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      unfortunately when asked specifically about it, it was also not denied. so we dont know what will happen yet. but subs are NOT ruled out

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    5. Re:Dumping by mordenkhai · · Score: 2

      Yes they did. It is 100% clear. If I upgrade in the first 12 months, my cost is free and my software remains free. If you decide the day after 12 months to upgrade, it may no longer be free, they haven't announced pricing, but my copy which was already upgraded remains free. I'm not saying there is no wiggle room there about getting new updates, but it seems clear that your license doesn't go away.

      Terry Myerson (EVP OS):
      "This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device - at no additional charge. With Windows 10, the experience will evolve and get even better over time. We'll deliver new features when they're ready, not waiting for the next major release."

  3. Re:Government would've jumped on them by HBI · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A $9.99 upgrade plan from any prior OS would have been enough to avoid that. Instead, they charged $49.99, if my memory serves. But IBM's failure with OS/2 had to do with application development, not price.

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  4. Re:AND they stole Halo from the PC world.... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Agreed. if it weren't for Halo and the subsequent lock-in to that console, I suspect the XBox wouldn't have really gotten anywhere.

    Consider that the XBox was still a massive money-sink for years on end, and I daresay that it has still not yet reached its overall ROI, let alone a profit. If it were built/sold by any company other than Microsoft (or similar behemoth-sized), the company would have gone broke years ago from it. They may eventually reach ROI and turn a profit, but I think that's still a couple of years off at best, and after that, I have no idea what kind of profit margin it would have.

    My best guess is that Microsoft wanted to (and is still desperately trying to) make the XBox into a home media center, to the exclusion of everything else (DVRs, dedicated DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc). They may still latch on a cablecard/sat receiver, and maybe some tie-in to "The Internet of Things" (or whatever buzzphrase is being used nowadays), so that it becomes the brain of the "smart home"(ditto), so as to lock-in a potential market. But then, people being what they are, they stubbornly go out and buy tablets, 3rd-party home alarm/HVAC controllers, decide to use Dish instead of DirecTV or Comcast, run out and buy a Sling/AppleTV/Roku box, etc. I think it's that diversity (and the entrenchment of the players in it) which has kept them from making that final drive. This in the end may well turn the whole XBox thing into a permanent anchor on Microsoft's profit margins unless costs are cut somewhere... which makes me wonder why the shareholders haven't demanded that the console be made profitable or else.

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  5. Re:Government would've jumped on them by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think OS/2 biggest failure was poor marketing compared to Microsoft.
    I remember the OS/2 Warp commercials. Just a bunch of people sitting around a computer saying how cool it was then a bunch of trippy colors.
    They didn't even show the OS.

    While Microsoft for its Windows 95 campaign showed the OS and how easy it was to use, and some of the new features that would make you want it.

    Apple does the same thing with their products they are trying to push. You have adds where they show the product and how easy it is to use.

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  6. Re:Government would've jumped on them by HBI · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every successful OS over the microcomputer age has had a killer app, something that it did that other competing machines did not. Something to sell it. Apple IIs had VisiCalc. The IBM PC had Lotus 1-2-3. Macintoshes had Pagemaker and later Quark. Windows had the Office suite, ultimately. OS/2 had nothing. Sure, it was great at running other OS' apps - it was a great DOS emulator and did Windows 3.1 pretty excellently, but it had no killer app of its own. This was mainly because IBM didn't consider it important to get people to write apps for its OS.

    You can call that a lack of marketing and still be right. It's just not "marketing in general" but "marketing to developers".

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  7. Re:And how far would of them gone to shutdown by TWX · · Score: 2

    So you're saying that they learned from Digital:Convergence and the Cue Cat Scanner debacle?

    Once the thing is no longer in one's possession there's a loss of a certain amount of control. Microsoft avoided this becoming epidemic by not handing out Xboxes for free, as most people weren't going to pay several hundred dollars to immediately wipe and install a different OS on it, but absolutely would have if they'd been free. People would have convinced anyone and everyone they knew to get a free one to give to them.

    This would have made the Cue Cat fight look like nothing.

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  8. Re:Government would've jumped on them by TWX · · Score: 2

    I remember OS/2 Warp ads in print magazines. The ads featured a Robinson Projection map of the world, with arrows to specific areas and a blurb about the OS/2 user in that area.

    I mused with my friends, "hey, it's a map of all of the OS/2 users in the world!"

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  9. Re:"Little Brother" had this by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I thought of that too. In the book, Microsoft gave them away for free, thinking they were unhackable, and hoping to make their money back selling games. People found out how to hack them (surprise, surprise) and were able to run whatever they wanted to on them. This is why this concept of giving away the hardware for free is almost always a bad idea. If they really could build unhackable hardware, then I could see a business case for this, but making the hardware free makes the payoff for hacking it way too high.

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