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Prosecutors Get an 'A' On Convictions of Atlanta Ed-Reform-Gone-Bad Test Cheats

theodp writes Just weeks after an L.A. Times op-ed called on public schools to emulate high-tech companies by paying high salaries to driven, talented employees whose productivity more than compensates for their high pay, the New York Times reported on the dramatic conclusion to perhaps the largest cheating scandal in the nation's history, which saw a Judge order handcuffed Atlanta educators led off to jail immediately for their roles in a standardized test cheating scandal that raised broader questions about the role of high-stakes testing in American schools. Jurors convicted 11 of the 12 defendants — a mix of Atlanta public school teachers, testing coordinators and administrators — of racketeering, a felony that carries up to 20 years in prison. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution sowed suspicion about the veracity of the test scores in 2009, and while investigators found that cheating was particularly ingrained in individual schools, they also said that the district's top officials, including Superintendent Beverly L. Hall, bore some responsibility for creating "a culture of fear, intimidation and retaliation" that had permitted "cheating — at all levels — to go unchecked for years." (More below.) Officials said the cheating allowed employees to collect bonuses and helped improve the reputations of both Dr. Hall and the perpetually troubled school district. Dr. Hall, who died on March 2, insisted that she had done nothing wrong and that her approach to education, which emphasized data, was not to blame. But a Fulton County grand jury later accused her and 34 other district employees of being complicit in the cheating. Twenty-one reached plea agreements, and two defendants died before they could stand trial. Interestingly, in early 2010, the Atlanta Business Chronicle reported on how Hall and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation were bringing a "fair and transparent evaluation and support mechanism" to the Atlanta Public Schools. "We are excited to continue our [$23.6 million] partnership with APS and Dr. Hall," said Gates Foundation director of education Vicki L. Phillips. Five years earlier, in a 2005 Gates Foundation press release, Hall said, "We look forward to partnering with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to take our reform efforts to the next level."

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  1. Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IANAL but I don't see how this could be considered racketeering.

    1. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only racket going on appears to be an overzealous prosecutor in collusion with an insane judge to improve their careers.

    2. Re:Racketeering by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Racketeering -- "A pattern of illegal activity carried out as part of an enterprise that is owned or controlled by those who are engaged in the illegal activity".

      That's the legal def. according to the internet. The RICO statute has a much more specific definition that it would take time to wade through and try to apply. I'm not sure offhand how they did it in this case.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

    3. Re:Racketeering by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RICO was intended to be used against violent mobsters. It has been used against political protestors, and now against people that cheat on tests. It was written far too broadly, and should be rewritten, or, even better, repealed entirely.

    4. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Education as a business *is* racketeering, at all levels.

    5. Re:Racketeering by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Making sure that your racketeer influenced and corrupt organization is also a nice respectable LLC can be very helpful in keeping RICO away, as best I can tell from recent history...

    6. Re:Racketeering by McGruber · · Score: 2

      RICO was intended to be used against violent mobsters.

      But these Atlanta "educators" were mobsters -- they used gang tactics to run the schools, kept thousands of children from receiving their educations and ruined the livelihoods of those teachers and principals who refused to cheat.

    7. Re:Racketeering by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      they used gang tactics to run the schools, kept thousands of children from receiving their educations and ruined the livelihoods of those teachers and principals who refused to cheat.

      Many of the people caught cheating, made accusations AFTER THE FACT, that they were pressured into it. That could be true, but it is far more likely that they were just trying to shift the blame and squirm off the hook. In any case, these were not teachers that "refused to cheat". I have no idea what "gang tactics" you are referring to. Could you be more specific?

    8. Re:Racketeering by jlowery · · Score: 1

      I would say these educators were organized and committing a crime. The punishment should fit the crime, however... not all organized criminal activities should result in long jail sentences.

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    9. Re:Racketeering by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      I have no idea about Atlanta, but I've watched cops sit by and let union thugs (men) from the California Teachers Union beat up women protesting them.

    10. Re:Racketeering by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It was written far too broadly, and should be rewritten, or, even better, repealed entirely.

      But then how will "driven, talented" prosecutors show that their "productivity more than compensates for their high pay"? Besides, violent mobsters might fight back, and in any case there's not enough of them to slate the public's bloodlust.

      It's not a few or even many individual bad laws; it's the entire American legal system that's hopelessly broken. It doesn't uphold justice or even enforce laws, it's just a monster that's always seeking new prey to devour.

      "Better that thousand innocents burn in hell than a single guilty has it any better than they deserve" is the true motto of the entire American society, from the legal system to economy to religion. And it's the poison that's killing it, since any decision that might make anyone's life better is intolerable to everyone else.

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    11. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1
      It was appropriate here. The racketeering charge was based on the conspiracy, extortion and bribery they committed, and the corrupted organization was the Board of Ed.

      They didn't just cheat, they threatened people with violence, defrauded the government and charitable organizations, committed criminal malfeasance and official corruption, and on and on....

    12. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1
      "Keep your mouth shut and change the answers, or we'll burn your house down."

      Read up on what happened. It was far worse than you think.

    13. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Read up on what they did to keep it going and you'll understand.

    14. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you expect cops to do? Serve and protect?

    15. Re:Racketeering by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Next they're going to claim they were just under the influence of an Imperius Curse.

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    16. Re:Racketeering by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Right now, in New York State, the governor forced through a budget that "reforms" education. One of his big proposals is that all teachers will be reviewed 50% by high stakes testing of students (where students don't just have to pass but improve their score by an amount set after the kids take the tests), 30% by their principal, and 20% by an outside observer (doesn't need to be an educator so you could get a "plumber evaluating how good a surgeon is" situation). If the teacher fails the annual review 2 years in a row (and 70% of kids failed the tests last year), they can be dismissed within 90 days for "incompetence." If they fail 3 years in a row, they MUST be dismissed in 30 days unless they can prove fraud.

      Not only will this result in good teachers being fired because their students don't test well (or because they don't reach the post-test decided improvement amounts), but it will put pressure on teachers to teach to the test (ruining kids' educations) or to even cheat to help their students on the tests (since not cheating might mean more likelihood of being fired - even if you are a good teacher).

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    17. Re:Racketeering by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      It was appropriate here. The racketeering charge was based on the conspiracy, extortion and bribery they committed, and the corrupted organization was the Board of Ed.

      The only guilty verdicts, aside from RICO, were for "making false statements," and only half of the defendants were guilty even of that. The two (3?) people charged with theft were found not guilty. No one was even charged with fraud. This makes it all seem like an organization dedicated to the criminal enterprise of denying its own existence.

      I get that it's technically not a crime to change the answers on someone else's test, putting the prosecutors in a bind to impose penalties, but RICO seems really blown out of all proportion. Maybe it would have made more sense if they'd been able to try Dr. Hall before her death. Maybe she's the one who really committed/benefitted from the immoral but not illegal actions of her henchmen, but we didn't get to see that.

    18. Re:Racketeering by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      They didn't just cheat, they threatened people with violence, defrauded the government and charitable organizations, committed criminal malfeasance and official corruption, and on and on....

      Several posters in this thread have made similar accusations, but, like you, they provide no citation, don't say who was threatened, don't say who was making the threats, and provide no evidence.

      Cheating on tests is wrong, and should be punished, but we need to keep some perspective. There was no violence, and the only permanent harm was that money was allocated to some poor students who didn't deserve it according to the official criteria.

    19. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pictures, article, link, anything?

      Cause I remember seeing the cops sit by while space aliens beat down bigfoot.

    20. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, like, make them write out "I must not cheat on tests" a million times?

    21. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy and conspiracy to commit might be a recipe for racketeering. If they ran a cheating operation, that could be considered racketeering perhaps. It looks like they did just that.

    22. Re:Racketeering by Methadras · · Score: 0

      Black Educators are a pox on the system.

    23. Re:Racketeering by pseudorand · · Score: 1

      Repealing it would just let the real mobsters loose. The problem is a constitution that lets law enforcement pick and choose who they want to pick on.

      Congress passes horrible, broad laws that the vast majority of us would strongly object to. But law enforcement mostly ignores them...except when they need to pressure someone into something. Then they can throw the book at you. Who care that lots of other people are technically breaking the same laws you're accused of. You're in their cross-hairs so the letter of the law now applies to you and you alone. And the rest of us don't care because we mostly don't even know about it.

      Sure, honest and competent law enforcement offices can sometimes use this to convict a real bad guy (as is ALWAYS the case on TV). But dishonest or incompetent law enforcement use it be themselves become worse than the gangsters. Even otherwise honest and well-intention police and DAs are pressured by their superiors to get convictions. They may not be convinced by the evidence, but their boss needs something for his campaign posters so they have to get convictions or find new jobs. Law enforcement is hard. Getting anything a scientifically-minded person would actually consider proof is probably impossible in a whole lot of cases. But somehow are jails are still overflowing.

      What we need is a constitutional amendment that invalidates any law for which the accused can show an inconsistent pattern of enforcement. "But everyone else does it" should be a valid defense. Congress would then have to figure out how to actually enforce and fund any law they pass. We'd all quickly become painfully aware of laws we don't like. And we could then vote out the jerks who passed them.

    24. Re:Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you lived in the Atlnata area and had any kind of idea what goes on within the Atlanta governement you would know that in this case the RICO act was what this type of action was written for. They may be governement officals but they are also mobsters.

      Really come down here and try to do business with them. You are better off dealing with the mob they have better rates.

    25. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I forget sometimes that most people haven't been hearing about this on a regular basis since '08. Living near Atlanta, I did.

      The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the paper that broke the story, has pretty much everything on it here http://www.ajc.com/list/news/e...

    26. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Apparently they needed RICO to carry out the investigation. The board had been... uncooperative.

    27. Re:Racketeering by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the paper that broke the story, has pretty much everything on it here http://www.ajc.com/list/news/e...

      Can you provide a citation that doesn't include a paywall?

    28. Re:Racketeering by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Paywall? Really?

      I'm sorry, either I slipped through a crack in the wall, or it's geoblocked. I had no idea. But if there's a crack, it's ridiculously wide. All I did was google "APS cheating scandal" and follow the AJC's link...

    29. Re: Racketeering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree!

  2. Wrong profession by labnet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, they obviously chose the wrong profession. Had they been Wall Street hedge fund bankers, they would have got an invite to the next country estate deer hunt.

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    1. Re:Wrong profession by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      They clearly aren't smart enough, for the low bar that is wall street.

      1. They are teachers.
      2. They got caught cheating in tests in the US.
      3. They didn't take a deal but instead went to trial and got convicted.

    2. Re:Wrong profession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, they obviously chose the wrong profession. Had they been Wall Street hedge fund bankers, they would have got an invite to the next country estate deer hunt.

      I saw (read?) a documentary on the scandal over a year ago. It focused on one guy and to boil it down he wasn't cheating for himself, what he got out of it was minimal - he was still putting in (in the form of school supplies that he purchased, etc) way more than he got out. He ended up cheating because it was so prevalent that his own students would be unfairly penalized if he didn't inflate their scores. They were at a bottom of the barrel school and yet they were learning, they were rising above their circumstances. But their legitimate scores would have still put them on the bottom compared to all the other fake scores. He saw cheating on the tests (changing their answers sheets to have more correct answers after the fact) as the only way to do right by his students.

      It kind of reminded me of reading about corruption in China. In some government departmets corruption is so prevalent that the honest people are not trusted. That if you didn't take bribes everyone else in the office treated you with suspicion, that because you weren't as vulnerable as them to possible criminal charges they thought you might rat them out. You basically couldn't get your job done because no one wanted to have anything to do with you.

      Its kind of like there is a "tipping point" for corruption in a system where once it reaches that point you simply have no hope of survival unless you join in, which ultimately makes anti-corruption drives extremely difficult because even the "good guys" are corrupt. You pretty much have to clean house and start over from scratch.

    3. Re:Wrong profession by kenh · · Score: 2

      He cheated to "help" his students?

      They didn't know the answers, they deserved the low scores their "teacher" protected them from.

      By inflating their grades, the students were denied the education they deserved, many of which were special needs students.

      I don't care about how many pencils he bought out of his own pocket, that doesn't change the fact that his students did poorly on the tests and he choose to change their answers, not teach them what they were supposed to be taught.

      This corruption went all the way up to the district superintencent, who avoided prosecution only by dropping dead before the trial.

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    4. Re:Wrong profession by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Well, they obviously chose the wrong profession. Had they been Wall Street hedge fund bankers, they would have got an invite to the next country estate deer hunt.

      Send them hunting with Dick Cheney...

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    5. Re:Wrong profession by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By inflating their grades, the students were denied the education they deserved, many of which were special needs students.

      This would have been true 15 years ago, before we decided to go test crazy in an effort to identify and defund the schools that are wasting taxpayer money simply by being below average. That created a perverse incentive. Nowadays, when they don't help the kids unwittingly cheat, teachers will get laid off or not replaced, funds get diverted to charter schools, and class sizes eventually balloon to more kids than can fit in the room. The fact that we're now charging teachers with "racketeering" for merely trying to keep the schools funded (which wasn't a concern when I was growing up) shows how drastically we've destroyed the country's 170-year-old public education system in just a few years.

    6. Re:Wrong profession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, did your teachers cheat for you too?
      Because your reading comprehension is down around the 2nd grade level.

    7. Re:Wrong profession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > By inflating their grades,

      It was not grade inflation. It was standardized test score inflation. Poor test scores wouldn't stop them from graduating, but poor test scores would cause an underfunded school to receive even less resources. Test scores were used to punish "bad schools" by making them worse schools rather than as a diagnostic to find schools in need of help.

    8. Re:Wrong profession by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I had mod points (and hadn't already commented), I'd mod you up. Not sure where you're from, but here in New York State, we've just codified this in the latest budget. Teachers will be evaluated every year and 50% will come from high stakes tests. If the students don't not only pass the tests, but improve by an amount that's decided after the tests, the teacher gets rated ineffective. 2 ineffective ratings in a row and the teachers could be fired in 90 days. 3 in a row and the teachers MUST be fired within 30 days. If a school gets enough low ratings, they are placed in receivership with one of the options being they are taken over by a charter school.

      It's an insane system and we're very angry with our legislators who passed it by saying that it's horrible legislation but they were approving it "with a heavy heart" in order to get the budget passed on time. Way to sell out the kids/teachers/schools in order to keep the on-time-budget streak going!

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    9. Re:Wrong profession by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      But, if a teacher isn't teaching and improving their students, they should be fired.

      What other litmus test other than "tests" would you recommend to measure a teachers worth/success rate?

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    10. Re:Wrong profession by Livius · · Score: 1

      they deserved the low scores

      How can a student deserve or not deserve a particular score when all the scores are artificial?

      I agree with punishing that teacher, but it's not as though there was no logic at all behind the actions.

    11. Re:Wrong profession by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      In some government departmets corruption is so prevalent that the honest people are not trusted. That if you didn't take bribes everyone else in the office treated you with suspicion, that because you weren't as vulnerable as them to possible criminal charges they thought you might rat them out. You basically couldn't get your job done because no one wanted to have anything to do with you.

      There is actually an expression for that in American English: "Go along to get along." I've heard it used mostly in reference to police corruption.

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    12. Re:Wrong profession by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is that the tests a) are being developed by Pearson and other companies with a financial stake in having students fail (so they can sell "solutions"), b) aren't audited by any third party to ensure they are developmentally appropriate (if you test first graders with multiplication, they WILL fail), and c) have their "pass" threshold set AFTER the fact by politicians with an agenda to push. On that last one, before the last round of testing, we were warned that 70% of kids might fail. After the results came in, it turned out that exactly that number failed. They set the pass-fail line after the scores came in to get the result they wanted.

      So a teacher could teach their kids, have the kids improve from an average of 75% to 80% on the tests, but wind up being marked "ineffective" because the politicians decided (after the tests were given and the results were in) that they needed 10 percentage point improvement, not 5.

      I'm not against tests in general, but the way these are administered isn't just ripe for abuse, it's DESIGNED to abuse teachers.

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    13. Re:Wrong profession by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      This "Pearson" conspiracy theory is just as silly as other conspiracy theories. Pearson makes money selling tests and learning materials that help kids learn. If the kids don't learn then Pearson is going to lose the client. This is a highly competitive market and there is value is standardized testing that's scientifically validated and receives continual updates to improve the effectiveness.

      The old system that was used was someone wrote a test then used that test for the next 30 years without regard to how effective it was. This is the standard in American primary and secondary education since the 50's. What the state initiative common core is trying to accomplish is to bring scientific analysis to the development of learning and testing methods to improve them long term and to normalize this across the participating states so every state benefits from the mistakes. There are several companies that offer these services and more will enter the market as states allow competitive bidding for services. in the end we'll end up with far better education and better educated kids.

      Some of the learning materials I saw people complaining about were ingenious for forcing kids to learn how to solve the problem rather than memorize a solution. Most STEM graduates spend the better part of 2 years unlearning methods they were taught in primary and secondary while also learning how to solve problems. One of the goals of common core is to bring that problem solving learning down into the formative years so you don't have to spend two years in college retraining people how to think. Now don't get me wrong, I've seen some downright crappy material as well, but that brings in to the whole scientific progress to learn from the bad examples by tracking, identifying and replacing the bad material.

      The only problem I see with these efforts right now is that some of the states are still obsessed with "No Child Left Behind" where everyone gets a shitty slow education paced on the biggest idiot in the class. NCLB was a disaster of epic proportions with federal meddling in local education. I imagine it's effects will be seen for years to come as state legislatures and Republicans in particular attack public education and their public employee educators. NCLB allows them the method to destroy the public school system and put in place charter schools.

      The worst of the worst in state policies takes NCLB policies and tacks them onto common core methodology (Scientific normalized scoring). This is what people should be complaining about more than anything. But the root of the problem is NCLB, parents and everyone really should be opposing those horrible horrible ideas. We should also be attacking education policies that take the scientific normalized scoring and applies it to individual children. This scoring is meant to rate the program as a whole, not to rate individual kids.

      GW Bush should burn in hell for No Child Left Behind. There is nothing dumber than forcing everyone to learn at the rate of the slowest kid.

    14. Re:Wrong profession by OutOnARock · · Score: 1

      yes in the same way that Lance Armstrong "helped" his teammates......

    15. Re:Wrong profession by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      But, if a teacher isn't teaching and improving their students, they should be fired.

      They *are* teaching and improving the students. Just not as well as ones in higher percentiles. That doesn't mean they should be fired. You can't just keep firing people and gutting public schools for being below average. Just teach the kids, and stop concentrating on smoking out bad teachers and shutting schools down.

    16. Re:Wrong profession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Armstrong is another example of the same thing.

      If you listen to him, not just sound-bites chosen to make him look like total scum, but listen to the whole story, he felt that cheating was so prevalent in the sport that anyone who didn't cheat had no chance. His crime, compared to most of the other teams was to be the best cheater.

      That's not to excuse him, but it is a really important context - when the system is rigged you have a choice of guaranteed failure, giving up your life's dream or cheating too. Those first two options are really, really bitter pills to swallow.

    17. Re:Wrong profession by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Some of the learning materials I saw people complaining about were ingenious for forcing kids to learn how to solve the problem rather than memorize a solution.

      I have one child in elementary school and another in middle school. I've seen that these "solutions" are. You want to solve 24 x 4? First you draw 24 boxes. Then, you draw another 24 boxes. Repeat 2 more times. Now, start circling every 10 boxes. Count up how many "10 box circles" you have and add it to how many non-circled boxes you have and you get your answer.

      At no point is actual math involved. Kids don't learn to actually deal with the numbers because it's more important to draw the pictures showing how you arrived at the solution. If kids actually work the math problem out with numbers, they are marked wrong (even if they get the right answer and even if it's a perfectly valid method of solving the problem) because that's not the approved method of solving the problem. We're teaching kids to stay within the box and never think outside it lest they be marked as incorrect. (I won't even get into how the "draw a box" solution doesn't scale. Try using it to solve 2,400 x 1,500.)

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    18. Re:Wrong profession by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I see a lesson that's designed to teach the multiplication is just the addition of the same number the number of times it's multiplied by. Not sure I understand the circling 10's thing but that's probably to try to make it easier to count by breaking it down into the number of 10's then counting the remainder.

      I'm sure it could be tuned to be a little bit better but do you know how many kids don't understand that multiplication is nothing more than addition? (I'd wager it's better than 90% that don't even understand what multiplication is) Again the lesson isn't learning to memorize 24x4 like it was when I went through school. It's designed to teach the kids what multiplication is and how to do it in a simplified manner such that they can multiply any two numbers together. The end result is that unlike memorizing multiplication tables up to 12x12 that these kids should be able to multiply anything and know the answer without memorization. That's a HUGE benefit. The old method was to teach kids to memorize solutions when the proper way to teach it is to teach them to understand how multiplication works because with the basis of how it works under their belt they aren't limited to the numbers they memorized.

      It probably bothers you because you were taught multiplication by memorizing a table, they are being taught to understand multiplication. It also probably bothers you that the problem isn't solved just by knowing the answer (Ie knowing the memorized value) that you actually have to understand what multiplication is. Do you know why a lot of people fail out of STEM degrees? Because they try to memorize answers rather than understand the material. You fall on your face in tests in those programs when you do that. The circling thing is probably to help people that struggle with math because they learn and think visually. Those people hate math the way it used to be taught because none of made sense. But if they learn the theory behind it and to visualize it they can be some of the best mathematicians because of the higher math is all about visualization.

      I don't see what you see. I see an interesting way to teach kids what multiplication is and how to do it without memorizing anything. It may not be the best method but it is a significant improvement over the old method. Like most parents that learned via memorization you probably hate it because you don't understand it. Consider for a moment that you might have been taught the worst possible way and that you don't understand it precisely because it's teaching it better than you learned.

    19. Re:Wrong profession by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      One other thing, once they teach how to multiply they will likely teach them the same scaling techniques you learned. The only exception is that they won't just memorize the 10x10 grid you needed to memorize to do the same multiplication. They won't need to do the draw boxes thing for very many times before the method and way to think implants on their brains.

      Learning how to multiply was one of those things I had to relearn in college as part of my STEM degree because I had to understand what multiplication was before I could move to the more advanced mathematics. In fact I really struggled with the tailor series polynomials precisely because I didn't understand that multiplication and division are nothing but adding and subtracting. Your kids will have a head start on that because they will understand the method. That is if you don't act like a dipshit and tell them to just play along while teaching them to memorize it like you did.

    20. Re:Wrong profession by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      It probably bothers you because you were taught multiplication by memorizing a table, they are being taught to understand multiplication.

      I was definitely taught by memorizing multiplication tables, I remember at least 2x weeks my parents essentially grounded me at home till I got them memorized (2's through 12's)....

      It took all of about 30 seconds for me to grasp the concept that it was addition of numbers, that was easy to see and figure out (2x3 = 3+3 how hard is that?)....

      But, being able to do the multiplication in my head instantly helped me move much faster in life and classes. Know them by memory enabled me to finish early tests early, and later more difficult math problems quicker...even carrying on into chemistry with figuring molar figures, etc.

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    21. Re:Wrong profession by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      While I broadly agree, it is a useful life skill to have at least the times tables up to 12x12 learned by rote. You do have to remember some things in life, even with Google available on your smartphone.

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    22. Re:Wrong profession by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Armstrong is another example of the same thing.

      If you listen to him, not just sound-bites chosen to make him look like total scum, but listen to the whole story, he felt that cheating was so prevalent in the sport that anyone who didn't cheat had no chance. His crime, compared to most of the other teams was to be the best cheater.

      That's not to excuse him, but it is a really important context - when the system is rigged you have a choice of guaranteed failure, giving up your life's dream or cheating too. Those first two options are really, really bitter pills to swallow.

      Faced with the two possibilities of (a) having to take drugs because everyone else in cycling was or (b) being more likely to win if you cheated, I know which I would believe in the absence of compelling evidence for (a).

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    23. Re:Wrong profession by cerkit · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest scientific minds of today (Stephen Hawking) uses visualization techniques to solve very complicated problems because he can't use his hands to write. He solves very complicated math problems every day using nothing but his brain and his imagination. I think what you describe might be overkill for every problem, but _learning_ it this way is probably a good thing. They will likely develop on that and teach another way in the future.

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    24. Re:Wrong profession by cerkit · · Score: 1

      This.

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  3. How are these related? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

    I'm used to theodp putting things into selective context so they sound better or more usually worse than they are, but WTF is up with this one? Would higher teacher salaries somehow have something to do with a culture of fear and retaliation? Do well paid people not feel this kind of pressure?

    1. Re:How are these related? by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, he was pointing out that rewarding teachers for high test scores is likely to result not in better teaching but more cheating and manipulation of the results.

      We've been obsessing over test scores for a while now and it doesn't seem to improve the quality of education.

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    2. Re:How are these related? by penix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We've been obsessing over test scores for a while now and it doesn't seem to improve the quality of education.

      That is the fault of the No Child Left Behind Act. The act that tied teacher / administrator salaries to the test results. Public schools across the nation stopped worrying about a kids learning and worried about their bottom line. That leads to doing whatever it takes to make sure the test results are positive.

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    3. Re:How are these related? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 1

      I read for these fuckers too much to be arsed trying to figure what a notably inflammatory submitter intimates.

      Test scores mean shite, and the relation to improving education is obviously null. It persists for the same reason the war on whatever exists. We can solve the problem of drugs, or prostitution, or terrorism, or education, if we understand it. If we refuse to understand and rely on what we believe, we can just expect to spend more money with no results.

      This much was obvious to me before 2000. Your post has been said repeatedly by actual teachers since then.

      I maintain my objection that theodp remains on the minus side of being informative, precisely because of this context shifting. Wouldn't another cheating scandal have been more appropriate? Because take your pick. In fact, that is probably the actual story here - cheating ongoing after nearly 20 years. But I don't write this shit, don't edit this shit, and only read this shit because most people apparently are incapable of such.

    4. Re:How are these related? by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

      That is the fault of the No Child Left Behind Act. The act that tied teacher / administrator salaries to the test results. Public schools across the nation stopped worrying about a kids learning and worried about their bottom line. That leads to doing whatever it takes to make sure the test results are positive.

      It's easy to be moral and ethical when there's nothing to lose. To blame the mechanic providing the "something to lose" when weak, immoral and unethical people decide to act in their own best interest at the expense of children's education is irresponsible. I find it fascinating when someone shows their true colors under pressure. Most people call themselves "Christian", "good", "decent", etc., but it's not until the shit hits the fan or some bum asks them for a few bucks for a hamburger that we really find out who they are. As an Atlanta resident, all I have to say to these "teachers" is GO FUCK YOURSELF AND ENJOY PRISON.

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    5. Re:How are these related? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      And they were teaching before? How do you handle schools in which kids who cannot read are promoted? There are solutions. The simplest one would be school vouchers where parents can send their kids to the school of their choice. How would they choose? How would they select one over the over? How do people chose anything else?

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    6. Re:How are these related? by kenh · · Score: 1

      Teachers whose students showed higher levels of achievement were given larger pay raises.

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    7. Re:How are these related? by kenh · · Score: 1

      Standardized test are used, in the aggregate, to evaluate teacher/school performance because, well, it's the only option left for educators. Teachers unions refuse any other form of teacher evaluation - peer evaluation results in a building full of "exceptional" teachers, even if half the high school graduates can't read their diploma.

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    8. Re:How are these related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually cannot tell if you are being serious. It's puzzling. Poor parents in underperforming districts (for that matter rich rich parents too) aren't necessarily making informed decisions. When parents become consumers or 'clients' they start to buy the feedback they want rather than what they need. Like Johns with a prostitute. There is a reason that the growing trend of treating college students as customers is a problem. They are students! Parents are parents.

    9. Re:How are these related? by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      It's easy to be moral and ethical when there's nothing to lose. To blame the mechanic providing the "something to lose" when weak, immoral and unethical people decide to act in their own best interest at the expense of children's education is irresponsible.

      Federal judges are appointed to life terms in order to reduce the temptation to cheat. It turns out that all people are susceptible to pressure; almost all people will do things they "know" to be wrong if given enough enticement or peer pressure. If you give teachers a system of merit pay, some of them will game the system. If you impose a set of penalties, they will game the system. Pile those rewards/penalties on a system where teachers in districts with engaged and active parents get better resources, and you're just begging for trouble. "Social promotion" is as old as formal education. NCLB was supposed to be an administrative block to it, but it turns out teachers find a way around.

      I find it very interesting that, 2 days before these verdicts, the GA legislature repealed the requirement that students pass a standardized test (CRCT) as a condition of graduation. And made it retroactive, so all those students, going back 10 years, who passed all their classes but were denied diploma for failing a section of the CRCT can now get their diplomas. ie: The state has legislated in the same social promotion that APS parents are up in arms over and that drove NCLB.

    10. Re:How are these related? by meustrus · · Score: 2

      Oh yes, the ever-blamed teacher unions. You realize teacher unions actually hate standardized testing? And if one is to believe that teacher unions love keeping "bad teachers" around, what could be better than a building full of "exceptional" teachers recognized by nobody else but the teachers themselves?

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    11. Re:How are these related? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they were teaching before? How do you handle schools in which kids who cannot read are promoted? There are solutions.

      Hit the employers of the district's residents with a payroll tax for underperforming schools, even if that employer does not reside in the district.

      When Walmart has a reason to care about the malnutrition of their employees' children, and the unpredictability of the parents' schedules, things will improve. Efforts will be made by the people with the power to enact real change. The Walton family has more money than 42% of the rest of the country combined. The extreme concentrations of dynastic, inherited wealth are literally clogging the arteries of the nation's economy. Local economies are so starved for resources, they lack the means to solve problems on a local level.

  4. Well they wanted the results by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They got em.

    Private sector too whenever the sole and only focus is on metrics. Like how Pepsi loaded all their inventory on a truck moved it 1 foot then did an inventory count each quarter is a classic example.

    People will find a way a number is met

    1. Re:Well they wanted the results by bangular · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Statistics and economics. It's always statistics and economics.

      The vast majority of decisions and funding in this country come from statistics. Unfortunately, the powers that be rarely have that background and don't understand that most statistics act as a proxy for the underlying issue they are trying to affect. We want "smarter" kids, so we give them a test which measures their "smartness." If their test scores improve, we give the schools more money. What we've actually done is incentivized everyone to cheat and disconnect that proxy measure from the child's "smartness."

      That's the problem we have when the administrators of this country have degrees that never required a calculus based stats course. They don't understand the complexity of the numbers and think all numbers are equal.

    2. Re:Well they wanted the results by penix1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      There was a joke on NPR the other day it went like this:

      3 economics statisticians went deer hunting. The first just missed the back end of the deer while the second just missed the front. The third yelled, "We got him!"

      What this shows is there is always a margin of error and as long as the numbers are within that range they got it.

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    3. Re:Well they wanted the results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like how Pepsi loaded all their inventory on a truck moved it 1 foot then did an inventory count each quarter is a classic example.

      Can you elaborate on this? My google-fu must be weak, because I'm not finding anything referencing this. What were they trying to do, boost their turnover numbers?

    4. Re:Well they wanted the results by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      I was once asked to come up with one (single) metric that my company can use to track how much money they save by code reuse.

      Our entire culture is obsessed with metrics and lacks the stats background to understand them.

    5. Re:Well they wanted the results by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Pepsi loaded all their inventory on a truck moved it 1 foot then did an inventory count each quarter is a classic example.

      It's odd that a "classic" example doesn't seem to actually exist. Got a source for that?

    6. Re:Well they wanted the results by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Might have been Coke Cola.

      It was mentioned in my accounting book when I was in school a half decade ago. SEC busted them. Try Googling that as it was one of the 2 soda makers at a wharehouse in Plano.

    7. Re:Well they wanted the results by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      ... since I am just a nice guy and this is slashdot I found the news story here

      http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01...

    8. Re:Well they wanted the results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more amusing is how the story is phrased like Pepsi is a company that does all their bottling at one plant and can store all their inventory on a single truck.

    9. Re:Well they wanted the results by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Unintended consequences. We want people to be able to afford houses, so we give them a grant so they can pay a deposit. What happens? Everyone goes to the bank with their $7K, the bank manager gives them 95% LVR and allows them to borrow $140k more. Then they go and find the house they want, and offer what the bank manager said they could. End result? House prices go up and housing ends up *less* affordable.

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    10. Re:Well they wanted the results by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That's the problem we have when the administrators of this country have degrees that never required a calculus based stats course.

      The problem of applying the wrong performance measures to jobs is a political or psychological rather than a mathematical one.

      Having a PhD in Statistics won't help if it just lets you create a more complex formula to calculate your targets: people will still modify their behaviour to meet those targets.

      This is all very basic stuff taught in business studies/financial management type courses. If you say to a salesman "your salary comes from x% of your sales, but we also want you to spend time studying the market, assessing your competitors and taking health and safety courses" they are going to skimp on everything except the sales.

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  5. WAHT TEH FUCK` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Felony racketeering for a cheating scandal?

    How on earth does cheating on some tests in any way compare to racketeering?

    Sounds like the only racket going on is centered on the judge and prosecutor, not some bad teachers.

    1. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by penix1 · · Score: 1

      How on earth does cheating on some tests in any way compare to racketeering?

      Because their salaries, bonuses and the school's reputation (hence more funding for being a "good school") were based on the test results and they all colluded to change the scores to achieve the higher salaries and bonuses. In short, they colluded to illegally enriched themselves.

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    2. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racketeering is something that is applied to criminal enterprises for criminal action.

      Cheating on tests is not criminal.

      It's probably not even illegal (rather, a matter of being against institutional policy). If it were, one would presume they would be charged with that crime, rather than having trumped up, utter bullshit racketeering charges applied.

      It's a travesty of justice. The prosecutor and judge should be disbarred and/or removed from office.

      And the teachers should have whatever charges/punishment is actually applicable for what they did applied (loss of job, w/e).

    3. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You can just tell from looking at the pictures of her that she is a Republican.

      YAAFM

    4. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by penix1 · · Score: 1

      Cheating on tests is not criminal.

      It is when money is tied to it like it was in this case. You are acting as if it was the students that were cheating. It was the teachers changing wrong answers on the tests after the students were done. They did it for the money plain and simple since they got bonuses based on those test results.

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    5. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      This same AC has posted so many "evil Republican" stories, that are so outlandish, I can't decide if he is a moron liberal that just loves ranting idiotically about Republicans, or if he is a moron conservative that loves planting a false-flag attack in a thread.

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    6. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by kenh · · Score: 1

      They did it for years.

      They did it thousands of times each year.

      They conspired to punish teachers that threatened to expose the test cheating.

      Their annual salary increases were based in large part on the test scores.

      The teachers organized "erasure parties" to facilitate their crime in a fun, social setting.

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    7. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by kenh · · Score: 2

      Racketeering requires an underlying crime - it is an aggravating crime, not an independent crime.

      They were convicted of fraud, that they worked together opened the door for a racketeering conviction.

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    8. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > colluded to illegally enriched themselves.

      No. They did it to keep their jobs. Hall illegally threatened them with firing if they didn't teach. That is legally and morally wrong. If you want to fire a teacher, you must go through the proper procedure. By creating this Republican-style rewarding of efforts scam, Hall made them do this. She is responsible. You can just tell from looking at the pictures of her that she is a Republican. You can always tell by the eyes.

      It's both.
      The people at the top did it to enrich themselves with large bonuses. The people at the bottom did it to keep their jobs.
      Beverly Hall, the superintendent got about $580,000 in performance pay from the numbers they were generating.

    9. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Probably just a troll. Possibly insane.

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    10. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Mostly because of the bribery, conspiracy and extortion, but there were other racketeering activities as well. And they needed RICO to crack open the board's records and charge everyone involved.

      It wasn't just, "Hey, lets cheat!", there was also quite a lot of, "Play along or we'll burn your house down."

    11. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Except the situation was far worse than you think, and Hall wasn't a Republican.

    12. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by sabbede · · Score: 1
      Actually it is illegal for the teachers to alter the tests. And it was done to defraud the government. Then there was the extortion, bribery, conspiracy, etc.

      So my guess is that you didn't actually read up on what happened. I live just outside Atlanta, and this has been a big story for over a year. What happened was far worse than you seem to think.

    13. Re:WAHT TEH FUCK` by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Probably just a troll. Possibly insane.

      What an epitaph!

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  6. Shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

    1. Re:Shocked by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Your test scores, sir.

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  7. Racketeering, Ouch... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Moral of the trial appears to be "Don't mess with the feds unless you've been granted too big to fail status".

    Moral of the story seems to be that, surprise surprise, if you attempt to rule by the metric, you'd better be damned good at using it or all you'll get is peons who are good at gaming the metric. You'll get there even faster if you make demands that can only be satisfied by gaming the metric; with extra credit for exquisitely defeating the purpose of data-driven-improvement by creating a class of people whose organizational survival depends on gaming the metric, and who can then be reliably expected to intimidate and retaliate against anyone who makes gaming the metric harder (like any honorable and/or competent enough to succeed without cheating employees you might have...)

    Obviously, you can't get much of anything done if you just pretend that the world, is, like, fundamentally inaccessible to your reductionist empirical 'measurements', man... and sometimes there's simply no pretending that it isn't time to cut some dead weight; but the sheer naivete of these test score based funding allocation proposals(and implementations) seriously makes me wonder if the people proposing them are just dumb, actually believed that most schools that suck suck because of slacking and can be fixed just by whipping the slackers a bit, or whether the intent was always just to find a nice, 'objective' way to declare the schools a write-off and purge them.

    Based on the results, it's impossible to argue that these schools are just A-OK and peachy keen; but it's not exactly news that "just intimidate and fire workers until Wall Street smiles" has not worked all that well as a corporate management strategy, and many of these testing initiatives seem to be largely the same plan, adapted for the public sector.

    1. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      Moral of the trial appears to be "Don't mess with the feds unless you've been granted too big to fail status".

      That's it exactly. If I recall, only one person went to jail over the whole meltdown mess.

    2. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those who give students their grades should not be the same people that give the students their education.

      There should be no High School diplomas. There should only be the G.E.D., for which a High School prepares the students but which that same High School does not administer or score.

      Educators will then have every incentive to educate well with no ability to inflate grades.

      Law school works this way, because it works well. All schools should follow this model.

    3. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      Moral of the trial appears to be "Don't mess with the feds unless you've been granted too big to fail status".

      Don't worry, the teachers' unions are "too big to fail", and they already get pretty much whatever they want.

    4. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the problem is that measurements are hard to get right. Engineers learn this. There is an old German engineering saying: "Wer mist mist Mist." ("Those who measure measure crap.") Any good engineering curriculum does not only teach this, but demonstrates it to students time and again. In the end, the students learn that metrics are useful hints but can never replace actual understanding and at that time they are qualified to use metrics.

      These pedagogics people have zero clue about all the problems with metrics and how to do them right and what they can and cannot deliver. Hence they are making all the really bad beginners mistakes.

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    5. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if they'd only do the same thing for the financial sector, we could rid this economy of its creeping rot.

    6. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The testing is already in place (SAT and ACT), it's just that no one but colleges pay attention to those tests.

    7. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      That would have its virtues; but doesn't cover a few cases, some of which are on display here: The tests that were being doctored are administered at multiple grade levels(as they are in most states with similar testing systems); because they want feedback that is more granular and more frequent than "GED success rate of alumni", which is not terribly useful for middle and elementary schools in particular. From the student's perspective, you also want to discover that things are going off the rails well before they finish high school, not when they finish and turn out to be a write off.

      Then there's just the logistics of administration: this test, put together by some statewide curriculum body, administered to all students, not customized in any way by instructors, was supposed to be the 'outside' grade not controlled by the people teaching. Unfortunately, some mixture of naive trust and limited resources produced a chain of custody that was pitifully worthless and left the test materials with more or less no defense against manipulation prior to scoring. Not a wildly difficult problem to fix; but doing it securely is definitely going to cost more than just re-using the labor you already have.

    8. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Given what the job market for people with only high school diplomas looks like, we may have indirectly 'solved' that problem, in the sense that interest in the details of your diploma is even lower than interest in your SAT score.

    9. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The moral of the story is that you get what you measure.

      And most measurements do not actually quantify what you want to quantify - they are merely proxies for what you're measuring.

      Anyone who's done the "SMART" (Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Results, Time) style of objectives will eventually figure out how to game the system. Because it tracks items that are concrete, you end up using concrete measurements for abstract things.

      I mean, take for example you want to write compelling content for your blog, website, whatever. Well, "compelling" is not measurable, so you have to come up with a proxy. Perhaps "views"? In which case it gets rewritten to write at least 3 articles that achieve 1000 views in the next 3 months. It's specific, measurable, achievable, the results are clear, and a clear time. But it only measures by proxy, because view count is only a proxy. Perhaps you took a funny photo that went viral - is that compelling content or just a passing interest?

      So in the end, what happens is you get what you measure. If you measure grades, you'll find the class will get the grades you require. But that isn't a proxy for learning.

    10. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by McGruber · · Score: 2

      Those who give students their grades should not be the same people that give the students their education.

      It is important to note that the Atlanta Public Schools' cheating happened *after* the tests were administered. After the tests were collected and the teachers who administered the tests went home, some other "educators" had erasing parties, where they got together and changed incorrect answers. So, to me, racketeering was the appropriate charge -- those "educators" ran a racket when they got together, circumvented test-security protocols and changed official state records (the exams).

      My partner is the Principal of a public elementary school in Georgia.... the school is not part of the Atlanta Public School system, but is in a school district next-door to Atlanta. My partner's school has a very strict testing security protocol. When tests arrive in the school, the materials are locked in a safe inside a locked room that only the "testing administrator" controls. (This "testing administrator" is usually an Assistant Principal.) Anyone who goes into that room while the tests are in the school has to sign a log posted outside the room. The school's security system has a camera pointed at the room's door and that footage from that camera is saved; someone in the school system's main office apparently spot-checks the log against the footage. When the seals on the packets of test booklets are broken (in order to pass out the tests), two teachers must sign a paper saying that they witnessed the seals being broken. Any "testing abnormality" (the air-conditioning went out, loud noises or other distractions happened, etc.) has to be documented and a written explanation submitted with the tests.

      My understanding is that the Atlanta Public Schools had a similar testing security protocol... so the "educators" who cheated really went out of their way to cheat. According to newspaper reports, one Atlanta "educator" even wore gloves so that her fingerprints would not be on tests.

    11. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      When tests arrive in the school, the materials are locked in a safe inside a locked room that only the "testing administrator" controls.

      Five of the 11 convicted were "testing administrators" or "resource officers." Two more were principal/assistant principal. Thinking about it, these are probably the people who stood to gain the most by inflating the overall performance of the school. Individual teacher merit pay doesn't seem like a huge enticement: would you really risk your career for a couple thousand dollars? Being labeled a success at turning around failing schools or districts...well, it got Hall named "National Superintendent of the Year." The administrators are the ones being judged on the aggregate test scores; they're the ones with power over individual teachers; it's not surprising that a top-down conspiracy would develop.

    12. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wer mist mist Mist." ("Those who measure measure crap.")

      Close, that's "Who crap crap crap" It's actually

      Wer misst misst Mist!

    13. Re:Racketeering, Ouch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US it is not the "pedagogics people" who are pushing the useless metrics; it is the politicians and amateur "reformers" who don't even know the basics of "pedagogics". It is PHB management vs the engineers in a different context.

  8. Good observation, bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So yes, when presented with the opportunity, some educators will cheat for personal and professional gain. This has undoubtedly going on for years but is easier to catch with more standardized testing regimen with better checks in place. The solution is not to get rid of standardized testing, but to have an orientation every year to remind teachers of their contracts, ethical obligations, and professional and legal consequences if they choose to cheat, just as works in the private sector. It is impossible to eliminate cheating, but it can be minimized with the right combination of education and enforcement.

    1. Re:Good observation, bad conclusion by theodp · · Score: 1

      Not a bad idea. Might want to include a refresher on rudimentary statistics in that orientation, so they know they're apt to be identified as outliers if they cheat.

    2. Re:Good observation, bad conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ethical obligations? Fuck self-righteous pricks like you! Teachers work like the rest of us, for MONEY, it is not thei job to be any more ethical than engineers or any more altruistic than bankers. Pay them well and give them meaningful goals and they will do their job. Treat it like voodoo and expect miracles and this is the result.

    3. Re:Good observation, bad conclusion by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      In Atlanta people would have been identified as outliers if they didn't cheat.

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  9. Way to go by ArcadeMan · · Score: 0

    Now people will not want to be teachers and the current ones will change job.

    Don't forget that edumacation iz importenant and u r34lly sh0u1d b3 c4r3fu1.

  10. And all this time I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupidity cannot be learned. Now they teach it in school.

    1. Re:And all this time I thought... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You still cannot teach stupidity. But you can successfully distract and slow-down those 10-15% of pupils that could actually have developed real understanding otherwise.

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    2. Re:And all this time I thought... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You still cannot teach stupidity. But you can successfully distract and slow-down those 10-15% of pupils that could actually have developed real understanding otherwise.

      However crappy your education system, clever kids will still end up understanding more than less intelligent ones.

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  11. Re:All unionized people are corrupt assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear Isis is recruiting. They most certainly do not believe in unions and are prepared to do something about it.

  12. Superintendent Hall needs to be put in prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her demanding teachers do better is what created this problem. Making teachers fear for their jobs if their students don't learn is morally wrong. The teachers can't control the parents.

    1. Re:Superintendent Hall needs to be put in prison by pspahn · · Score: 0

      I agree! I think we should go dig up all the dead criminals and stick their remains in a building with bars guarded by men with guns. That'll teach 'em!

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    2. Re:Superintendent Hall needs to be put in prison by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Well, she would have been, but she died. Hence "11 of 12".

  13. Re:All unionized people are corrupt assholes by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I suspect that this is irrelevant to your little rant; but it's commonly the case for teachers(and some; but not all, flavors of support staff) to be unionized; but administrators, principals, and the superintendent almost certainly weren't.

  14. No by s.petry · · Score: 1

    That is the fault of the No Child Left Behind Act.

    This is such a small part of the problem that it is really not worthy of discussion. Centralized testing has been mandated since the mid to late 80s. The government mandated testing, and the bureaucracy that has to follow it around is the problem. The Feds have school districts handcuffed with this, since funding is all tied to test results. Kids are stuck not learning, because constantly cramming for test problems means you rarely if ever get to learn.

    Just like everything else in the Federal sector, the corruption is simply massive in the DoE. It has been for as long as the agency has been active, but today we are seeing the full force of the corruption. They are not even bothering to hide it any more.

    Yeah, the "fix" is to get rid of the agency and start jailing all the people abusing offices for personal gain. Nothing likely will happen though, it's easier still to bitch about the problem than band together and take action.

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  15. part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 0

    Just weeks after an L.A. Times op-ed called on public schools to emulate high-tech companies by paying high salaries to driven, talented employees whose productivity more than compensates for their high pay

    High tech companies are ultimately able and driven to pay productive employees more because they make them more money. In the long run, companies can't fake how much money they have made: the money is either there or it isn't.

    But in the educational system, outcomes can be faked, because they aren't self-enforcing. Whatever test results, performance measures, or statistics you use for determining performance, they are subject to lobbying and manipulation and they can be gamed. Putting public teachers on a performance standard is probably even worse than simply letting them do whatever they want.

    If you want teachers who are actually evaluated and paid based on performance, the only option you have is to send your kids to private schools. It would be nice if more parents can do that (via vouchers or similar mechanisms), but that's not going to happen as long as public teachers unions remain as powerful as they are.

    1. Re:part of the feedback missing by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree on most of what you say, except that private schools are often not much better. You need to find a private school where they actually are not seeing them as a commercial enterprise. The problem is that good education is manifesting itself often only years and sometimes a decade or more later. Short-term test-based evaluation is not an useful metric.

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    2. Re:part of the feedback missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...send your kids to private schools. It would be nice if more parents can do that (via vouchers or similar mechanisms),...

      My mom teaches at a charter school - that is, a private school supported by the state. Most of the teachers are dedicated and creative but there are ridiculously high levels of corruption in the school administration. There are almost as many administrators as teachers and the administrators get paid a lot more than the teachers. But the top level administrators live thousands of miles away and only come to the school campus once or twice a year for a couple days. No one actually knows what these top level administrators do - other than collecting their full-time salaries - supposedly it's something about providing the school with "vision".

      But the real fun begins when you look at the school assets. Somehow these top level administrators got a government grant to buy up 30 acres of prime real estate including a number of residential rental properties. Well, this prime real estate is owned by a "non-profit organization" that consists of about 5 of these top-level administrators. They do rent a couple acres to the school but then they are free to do what they want with the rest of the property. Of course, this real estate, that the government bought for them, generates a lot of revenue - which they then pay to themselves as administrator salaries. Some of the land is still undeveloped, though, so they're hoping to get more government grants to put in some more buildings (that they would own - through their "non-profit organization") - and which would, of course, increase the profitability of the land and enable them to increase their salaries.

      I'm not opposed to having the government utilize private enterprise when there's a healthy free market. If the government needs to buy some screws there's no reason to build it's own screw factory. But there are significant problems when the government can't participate in a market without distorting it. And there are huge problems when the government deliberately distorts the market. Imagine if the government gave some random person a grant so that person could buy a screw factory and then the government bought up all the screws that were produced by that factory. That kind of thing does actually happen all the time in corrupt third world dictatorships. But it sure ain't right.

      These days in the USA, though, charter schools are sacred cows. So even blatant corruption gets completely ignored. Instead, everyone rants about the evils of teacher's unions.

    3. Re:part of the feedback missing by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Gaming the system goes on in the private sector too. About fifteen years ago I was doing tech support for an ISP. One of the metrics used to judge each team of techs was the average wait time for callers. Then, somebody discovered that if you connected to whoever had been in the queue the longest and told them that somebody would be with them shortly, it reset the timer. This made their wait times look great, until management caught on and the offenders were fired for falsifying company records. Not something they'd want on their job history, but well deserved.

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    4. Re:part of the feedback missing by captjc · · Score: 2

      In the long run, companies can't fake how much money they have made: the money is either there or it isn't.

      I take it you work in the public sector. There are actually two schools of deception in play in the private sector, The Wall Street School and and the Hollywood School. The Wall Street school is about making it look like you have more profits than you do to get your stock price up higher. Higher stock price means bigger bonuses for the people at the top at the expense of reducing head count and squeezing the remaining employees for all you can get out of them. Then you have the Hollywood school of cooking the books to make it look like you are taking massive losses so you can write off all your expenses, get out of paying profit-share contracts, and get massive tax breaks.

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    5. Re:part of the feedback missing by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with treating education as a commercial enterprise?
      Shouldn't the truly relevant metric, short term and long term, be customer satisfaction, with parents and students being the customers?
      Get rid of government education entirely. Let the market differentiate the good schools and good teachers from the bad. There is no 100% ideal outcome, but the results produced by a system based on competition and the profit motive are going to be superior to the government model.

    6. Re:part of the feedback missing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My kids' school district has a bunch of charter schools - a model which our governor loves and wants to convert all public schools to. The charter schools take in government money that otherwise would flow to public schools. They use this money as they see fit - no oversight at all. How much do they spend on the students versus funneling back to the parent company? Sorry, but they'll refuse to disclose this. They also don't need to hire people with any education background to be teachers. You too can take a 5 week course to become a "teacher."

      The charter schools also get to pick and choose which students they get. Does your child have special needs? Sorry, don't bother applying. Kids with special needs cost more and thus aren't as profitable. Send them back to the public schools which now have less funds than before to handle those students.

      See how the public schools are failing since they have less funds? That means that you need to open more charters and send more money away from the public schools.

      My oldest son is one of those special needs students. His grades are exceptional, but he requires supports which cost more than the average student. In the charter school model, he'd be tossed aside as costing too much instead of being educated and developing a love of learning (as he currently is doing in his public school).

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    7. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Gaming the system goes on in the private sector too

      I didn't say that there was no "gaming" in the private sector; there is plenty of it. I said companies can't fake how much money they are making in the long run.

    8. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      I take it you work in the public sector.

      I take it you can't read: In the long run, companies can't fake how much money they have made: the money is either there or it isn't.

      There are actually two schools of deception in play in the private sector

      There are many schools of deception in play in the private sector. But those kinds of deceptions don't work in the long run because you can't hide arbitrary amounts of losses forever; sooner or later the accounting is going to catch up with you.

      (What you can do, of course, is keep asking for a "government stimulus" or "government bailout", but then you aren't really private sector anymore.)

    9. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      I agree on most of what you say, except that private schools are often not much better.

      Of course, most private businesses suck, just like government services. The difference is that with private businesses, you have a choice not to give your money to businesses that you have found to suck, whereas with government services, you keep having to pay for bad services no matter what.

      It's basically the same idea as evolution. It's kind of funny that progressives pay lip service to evolutionary ideas in biology but believe in intelligent design in economics.

      Short-term test-based evaluation is not an useful metric.

      Yet, that is exactly what the US government is advocating. Furthermore, even if it were a useful metric, it would get gamed. That's, again, why it's important to leave the choice of metric up to individual parents, just like the choice of school. If you have a diversity of metrics and a diversity of choices from parents, not only do you avoid nationwide educational disaster, but also models that are particularly successful will thrive, while those that aren't will disappear.

      You need to find a private school where they actually are not seeing them as a commercial enterprise.

      Many different people have many different beliefs about what constitutes a good school. Again, that's why a free market in education is so important; free markets, of course, also have nonprofits operating in them.

    10. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      See how the public schools are failing since they have less funds? That means that you need to open more charters and send more money away from the public schools.

      In the US, public school performance does not improve with increased funding, and US public schools spend several times what public schools in other countries spend for comparable or better educational results ($PPP). So the idea that public schools are failing because they aren't getting enough money is total b.s.

      The charter schools also get to pick and choose which students they get. Does your child have special needs? Sorry, don't bother applying. Kids with special needs cost more and thus aren't as profitable

      First of all, many charter schools are non-profits. In addition, charter schools have a higher percentage of special needs kids than public schools. In different words, your reasoning is based on fabrications.

      My oldest son is one of those special needs students. His grades are exceptional, but he requires supports which cost more than the average student. In the charter school model, he'd be tossed aside as costing too much instead of being educated and developing a love of learning (as he currently is doing in his public school).

      In different words, you live in a nice neighborhood with nice schools. You don't care how inefficiently your school operates because it's mostly other people's tax dollars that pay for it. And you don't care how many students are f*cked over by the public school system, as long as you get your stuff for free. It's selfishness like yours that causes America's school system to deteriorate further and further.

    11. Re:part of the feedback missing by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I take it, then, that you're not familiar with the term "creative accounting."

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    12. Re:part of the feedback missing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      The charter schools by us are run by for-profit companies and routinely kick out special needs students or deny them entry in the first place. No one cares to force the charter schools to accept all students because our governor wants to push charter schools as a complete replacement for public schools.

      As far as me living in a nice neighborhood with nice schools? Hardly. My district is labeled a failing district with a high rate of poverty. We were able to get supports for our son after years of fighting the district. Even so, we're going to head into our latest IEP meeting fearful that the supports will be removed because our son is doing well academically. (Which is sort of like saying "this guy is standing well with a cane so therefore we can yank the cane away no problem.")

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    13. Re:part of the feedback missing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, companies pop up and go away in Hollywood, because incorporating a new company for each movie is cheap compared to all the other costs of making a movie, and it provides protection for the people supplying the money. It also means that Hollywood accounting doesn't have a "long run", and profits can be manipulated almost at will.

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    14. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Creative accounting can be used to manipulate stock prices in the short run; it doesn't work in the long run.

    15. Re:part of the feedback missing by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      No one cares to force the charter schools to accept all students

      Overall, they don't need to be "forced", they already accept special needs students. Perhaps you are looking at the wrong charter schools. Or perhaps you have irrational expectations of the kind of education your kid should get paid for courtesy of the tax payer.

      We were able to get supports for our son after years of fighting the district. Even so, we're going to head into our latest IEP meeting fearful that the supports will be removed because our son is doing well academically.

      I see no justification why your kid should receive more resources than any other kid. Sure, your kid does better with more resources, but so do other kids. I think you illustrate why charter schools and portable funding are a good thing, namely to stop abuses of the system from people like you.

    16. Re:part of the feedback missing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My child gets more supports because he has a diagnosis that requires such supports and because he has an Individualized Education Plan (IEP) approved by the district. It's not just that we walked into school and said "We feel like our kid deserves X. Give him it or else." This involved years of encountering problems, medical diagnoses, and working with the school district to come up with the best approach to maximize my child's education.

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    17. Re:part of the feedback missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Your kid gets more money than other kids, in order to "maximize" his education. The same money could be spent on a particularly gifted child without medical needs to "maximize" their education, or on average kids in very poor school districts to improve their education.

      Nor, for that matter, is there any reason to believe that the money is spent well or efficiently. After all, neither you nor your school district really care about costs: you don't have to pay them, and your school district can probably actually get more money by categorizing more kids as needing special support. Nor does your school district really have any incentive to achieve a good outcome; after all, it's not like you can walk away from your school and take your kid somewhere else. You have no control. You don't even know whether the educational outcome your kid achieves is particularly good because there is no basis for comparison. Often, the schools such kids end up in are not even competent in serving the kids they end up having to serve.

      And, depending on your kid's problem, forcing a public school to accommodate him may well hurt the education of other students significantly, in addition to the nominal costs; the fact that you think regular charter schools would turn down your kid suggests that you think that's the case. But, hey, as long as you can force public schools to accommodate him, what do you care?

      As I was saying: your example isn't an example illustrating the problems with charter schools, it's an example illustrating the problems with public schools and all the requirements that are piled on them by well-meaning people.

  16. Don't Blame the DoE by Pollux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Corruption is "massive in the DoE"? Really? I don't think your premise is common knowledge, so please cite a few sources.

    The DoE doesn't pass any laws; it enforces the ones passed by Congress. And as it's a cabinet-level department, Congress approves all cabinet appointees, so blame them on both fronts. And while the DoE does a lot of things, its central mission, and its reason for its establishment, is to assure access to equal educational opportunity for every individual. Take the DoE away, and we've lost the primary means of enforcement against educational discrimination of children in our nation. Even if you do happen to somehow prove that the DoE is full of corruption, I don't think you want to throw that baby out with the bathwater.

    Speaking with 10 years of experience in public K-12 schools, blame lies with the superintendent. Superintendents are the leaders of a district, and they can and often do set a strong tone of expectations that are carried out by administrators, including principals, which then trickle down to teachers and support staff. There's no doubt in my mind that the superintendent, tacitly if not directly, created this cheating culture in Atlanta. We can blame the law all we want for encouraging the genesis of such an environment, but that's like blaming cheese for mold growth. Yes, an optimal environment was created for this cheating scandal to take root and grow, but it was disgusting school leaders like Dr. Hall that caused it to happen.

    1. Re:Don't Blame the DoE by Goetterdaemmerung · · Score: 1

      The DoE doesn't pass any laws; it enforces the ones passed by Congress. And as it's a cabinet-level department, Congress approves all cabinet appointees, so blame them on both fronts.

      The Department of Education (or ED, not the "DOE") is run by the executive branch. You seem to have skipped that part for some reason. True, the laws and appointment are granted by Congress, however the day-to-day operation and many details of "how" the law is to be implemented do not reside with them.

      Speaking with 10 years of experience in public K-12 schools, blame lies with the superintendent. Superintendents are the leaders of a district, and they can and often do set a strong tone of expectations that are carried out by administrators, including principals, which then trickle down to teachers and support staff. There's no doubt in my mind that the superintendent, tacitly if not directly, created this cheating culture in Atlanta. We can blame the law all we want for encouraging the genesis of such an environment, but that's like blaming cheese for mold growth. Yes, an optimal environment was created for this cheating scandal to take root and grow, but it was disgusting school leaders like Dr. Hall that caused it to happen.

      I agree with the principle of this (pun intended), but I also think that laws can be implemented in ways that do not encourage cheating on this scale. It's not just the Atlanta school system trying to game the system and get more money and raises (presumably that is the end goal?). Look up Philadelphia, Clarksdale MS, and Louisiana - those were what I found just with a quick google search.

    2. Re:Don't Blame the DoE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And while the DoE does a lot of things, its central mission, and its reason for its establishment, is to assure access to equal educational opportunity for every individual.

      Nope. The central mission is to ensure equalized outcomes until everyone becomes "average" and makes the same wage, works the same number of hours, every family makes the same amount.

      When I applied for federal aid questions involved how much my family makes, how much I made the past X years, how much savings I had at the time, and so forth; it is just a given people's families will pay for their education.

      If they want opportunity they would be better off giving blank checks, no strings attached. People could spend wherever and whenever they want, or save it. School, or self-education, or whatever. They don't want "opportunity" they want control.

      I have read you could shut down lots of assistance and gov. depts and just give people a living income, and actually end up saving taxpayer money.

      They don't want free markets, they want gazillions of incentives and control.

      You can't get "equal opportunity" without stealing from others and taking from everyone else.

      At best, the federal reserve makes magic money out of nothing, and you rob everyone with inflation.

      If that is what they are after, then we are doomed, because there is no end in sight, enough is never enough.

  17. the moral of the story..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you're gonna change a student's test answers so you can get a bigger paycheck..... use a better eraser, and keep your trap shut.

  18. If all you care about are numbers by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... all you get is numbers. This testing-mania is hurting education badly. In cases where the numbers are not outright made up, they are subject to over-fitting (pupils learn jut for test-scores, not for knowledge and skills anymore), where they become just as meaningless. The underlying problem is that politicians are so abysmally dumb these days that they cannot comprehend anything about any real question but whether a number is higher or lower.

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    1. Re:If all you care about are numbers by bangular · · Score: 1

      My high school education in Florida (about 10 years ago) consisted of studying for the FCAT and almost nothing else. We'd typically have 1 or 2 dedicated classes in our schedule called "research" or some other euphemism for FCAT where we'd just study for that test. Florida really let down a whole generation of children with that test. I didn't receive a meaningful K-12 education because all we did was study for one test. It took me many remedial classes in college to catch up to where I should have been.

    2. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But that way you prepare your pupils for working. That's how the corporate world works. What you do isn't important, whether you meet some arbitrary goal number is.

      To give you an example of how number ruin our economy. Of course this is a made up example concerning a CISO in a galaxy far, far away (or at least sometimes I ... I mean he would rather be there). Said CISO got the goal of his bug hunting team having to find a certain number of security issues with the applications the software department cranks out. What did our CISO in our example do? Cancel the security trainings for the programmers, of course. Yes, it would make sense to inform them about new developments in security. But the goal is to find bugs, the goal is not to have secure software.

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    3. Re:If all you care about are numbers by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You are certainly right about the incredible intellectual laziness of the corporate world and its dysfunctional reliance of numbers. And you are right how this is one of the things that will put any economy in a downward spiral. The solution (actually understanding what you are doing) is not compatible with the big egos and small skills of those that crave power.

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    4. Re:If all you care about are numbers by gweihir · · Score: 1

      My condolences, that is really bad. At least you got a chance to make up for it, but I shudder to think how many people did not.

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    5. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no solution to the problem. Especially as long as everyone working for a corporation doesn't give a rat's behind about it. CEOs have no connection whatsoever to the company they run anymore, and neither do workers care about it in a hire and fire world where any kind of "loyalty" is simply not rewarded at all. There is no reason to do any work past the bare minimum to not get fired. So of course when some bonus system was invented as an "incentive" to do more work, what happened is what would logically happen: People started to game the system. The "goals" they get set are supposedly improving the company's state, but in the end all they accomplish is that people try to find out how they can accomplish as many of them while at the same time spending as little time and effort doing so as possible.

      And exactly the same happens in our schools. Teachers know what the tests will be like, so what is taught is exactly and only what will make the pupil pass that test. There is not only no incentive to teach beyond that, it's actually discouraged because it bear the threat that something you show to your pupils that's not going to be in the test is more interesting to them and they will "waste" their time doing this instead of learning what will make you hit your mark on their test scores.

      And that, people, is pretty much the worst kind of bullshit.

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    6. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Kohath · · Score: 0

      Tests measure knowledge so schools and teachers can be held accountable for teaching knowledge versus just using up time. If you object to using tests to measure performance, then how would you suggest it should be measured?

      My personal preference would be for parents to direct most of the education funding for their child individually. So if a parent wants tests to measure, that parent would send her child to the school with the best performance on tests. If a parent had some other metric, she could use that. Or she could use a balanced approach of tests versus something else she values.

      How would you like student and teacher performance to be measured?

    7. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Georgia, we also have the program "No Child left behind", which means that if a child fails a grade, they spend 3 weeks in summer school watching movies. My girlfriends son has failed every grade since the 4th grade and has passed on by attending summer school.

      He is so far behind now in learning that he doesn't even put any effort into it by saying that he will just spend 3 weeks in summer school. Further making him farther behind.

      It is a horrible program, They should send him back to the 4th grade even though he is now in the 8th grade. The problem is NOBODY cares or gives a S#!+, including his mother.

    8. Re:If all you care about are numbers by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      From what you write, it looks like the biggest bug in that software was the CISCO.

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    9. Re: If all you care about are numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She must give great head.

    10. Re:If all you care about are numbers by kenh · · Score: 1

      That's not "No Child Left Behind" - That's teachers failing that child, repeatedly. Shame on you for letting teachers blame their failings on something like NCLB.

      The main thrust of NCLB was to ensure that special needs children had their needs met, even if it came at the expense of Gifted and Talented students.

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    11. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      Why is teaching to the test a bad thing? Is it because the test does not measure the skills students are expected to be learning? Or is it because teachers depend on repeated drills with old test questions to prepare students?

      Neither one points to an insurmountable flaw with standardized testing.

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    12. Re:If all you care about are numbers by sabbede · · Score: 1

      How are you going to measure without numbers?

    13. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Teaching to the test is a bad thing because the focus of learning is set wrongly. Just as in company goals. With a company, the goal should be more revenue and a better product. But that becomes secondary if your reward depends on some arbitrary goals. Likewise, the goal of learning should be an education and the ability to build upon that education, but learning to the test means you get crammed whatever is relevant to whatever the test asks.

      To give you an example that people here can relate to, it's like teaching kids C# and the code for sorting and text IO in C# because all the questions at the test will be in C# with a heavy focus on sorting and text IO in C# (aka "rote programming"), instead of teaching them computer science and information theory so they could solve the questions themselves, and not only what's relevant for the test but also what they will need later in their career, whether that will be with C#, with C++ or even with a descriptive language.

      And no, changing the tests won't help here. Especially since the godawful "no child left behind" bull ensured that testing understanding instead of sponging (soak up the crap, pour it into the test without thinking) has pretty much been outlawed.

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    14. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, considering their shoddy OS you can blame a lot of security issues on the routers, but this time they're actually innocent.

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    15. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      instead of teaching them computer science and information theory so they could solve the questions themselves

      Do you have an example of a principle of computer science or information theory that cannot be tested?

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    16. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's not that it can't be tested, it's that testing it is not only harder and requires the tester to actually know his shit, it's also very hard to standardize because tests would have to be far more open ended and allow different solutions which can be equally valid.

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    17. Re:If all you care about are numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a symptom of the objectification of children that's part of the larger trend of quantifying life. Quantification works great for deterministic systems or even small probabilistic systems, like when you study how much stress a new alloy can stand or how many instructions per second a computer can process. The problem is that people are too complex to be reduced to a few sets of metrics or meaningfully taught by industrialized methods of mass-education.

      There's another problem, though: in our rush to embrace objectivity over subjectivity and numbers over humanity, we've also become uncomfortable with morality. As Americans, we don't like the idea of state-run schools being in the business of teaching character, but the fact is that children absorb everything around them as long as they're awake, and they learn morality from what they experience in school, where they often see their teachers for longer than they do their parents each day. When they see their teachers abetting dishonesty on tests because those better scores increase paychecks and school funding, when scoring well on tests is more important than setting examples of honesty, we raise a generation that will make those parents climbing the school walls in India look like saints. The answer isn't just prosecuting the teachers either -- that merely addresses the symptom, although the symptom needs to be addressed too. The tests need to go, and we need a sea-change in our society's attitude towards character and morality.

  19. Re:ALL Niggas by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Who let the mentally disturbed cave-man in?

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  20. Remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Greed is good.

  21. Bloggers, not Newspapers, revealed the cheating by McGruber · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution sowed suspicion about the veracity of the test scores in 2009

    Actually, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (AJC) newspaper was one of Beverly Hall's biggest cheerleaders. Bloggers were pointing out problems with the Atlanta test scores for years before the AJC looked into it. The cheating wasn't really a secret -- someone was even using the screen name "Beverly FRAUD" to post comments on the AJC's own website.

    The AJC ignored all those allegations of cheating until Beverly Hall was named 2009 National Superintendent of the Year by the American Association of School Administrators (AASA).... and then the newspaper reluctantly started investigating her.

  22. From a Teacher's Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not condone the actions of the teachers, but I also disagree with the outcomes of high stakes testing in general. High stakes testing has been in place long enough to know that it has failed to improve outcomes. The problem is that these tests take the focus away from the student and put it on the subject. Every course is one size fits all and it does not matter if a student has mastered or will never master a subject.

    No Child Left Behind is a rallying cry for the ignorant and idealistic. It does not take into account the capacity of the student. The solution really is to abandon standardized tests. The nation often cited to have the best education system in the world, Finland, has no standardized testing.

    In their place, I would like to see locally or regionally developed pretests and posttests. Student progress would be determined by the difference in the two scores. This puts the focus back on the individual student where it belongs.

    I have taught students to pass high stakes tests, I have also written questions for high stakes tests. The bottom line is that teachers can not win given the rules.

    -If students do well on a test, the test was too easy or the teachers were cheating. The test must be re-normed. An investigation ensues. The teachers may be fired.

    -If students do poorly on a test, the teacher did not do their job. A State take over is imminent. The teachers must be fired.

    -If students learn about science, teachers are violating their religious beliefs. A church rally gathers at the school board meeting to fire the teacher.

    -If students learn that the United States committed genocide against native Americans, teachers are unpatriotic. Teachers must be fired.

    -If students come to school hungry, tired, or beaten by their parents, teachers must resolve all of those issues and teach the student (with no support). Failure to do so may result in loss of license.

    For anybody reading this who is considering becoming a teacher - DO NOT BECOME A TEACHER IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! I have to get back to my lesson plans now - during spring break.

  23. Now we have to go all the way! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The teachers played along with your idea of having schools emulate corporations: They ignored your laws and did what they could to "optimize" the results. Now what you have to do is to release them acquitted, hand them big bailouts to recover their losses and let them retire with golden parachutes.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  24. A lot of liberals bringing up wall st. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story is about Atlanta teachers who lied and cheated to get more money. Not sure how that is 1. Defensible. 2. Related in any way to Wall St.

    1. Re:A lot of liberals bringing up wall st. by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      I'm not "liberal" but I can address the Wall St. issue.

      The point is that it is an absolutely glaring double standard in the administration of justice. Government convicts these people of "racketeering" while ignoring literally 1000s of instances of fraud, forgery and perjury committed by the big Wall St. banks.
      The whole "robosigning" thing wasn't just some minor problem with the paperwork. It was an absolutely massive effort to create and file false affidavits, create and improperly notarize official documents and submit those forged documents to courts and government agencies. If a dozen people conspiring to cheat on standardized tests is "racketeering" what do you call a giant conspiracy to cover up fraud and use forged documents in order to illegally evict people from their homes?

  25. Nest On the Docket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... every school that provides AP credit with classes graded on a AP scale (A=5.0, B=4.0, etc.) instead of the normal scale.

    Now THAT'S a racket!

  26. Did anyone consider... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... that the school district in question is largely black and relatively poorer than most. The convicted school administrators and teachers were also black.

    I doubt the same verdict and punishments would have occurred had the defendants been whiter and more affluent. Our society's conscience has a much easier time jailing black Americans than any other, and race factors into even white collar crimes.

    1. Re:Did anyone consider... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Did anyone consider the race of the victims, the students?

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      Ken
    2. Re:Did anyone consider... by krk28 · · Score: 1

      Pardon, the ugly inference I'm taking away is that Black persons should immune from prosecution sir/ma'am. One might find it biased that they are getting convicted, but that presumes that widespread systemic cheating is uniformly distributed regardless of the race of the teacher & student for which no evidence has been presented. We might be more concerned with the Black kids who were deprived of their early educations at these schools with 95+% Black enrollment rather than the race of the perps hmm? We also might wonder what is it about the nature of these communities in Atlanta that made it so easy for dozens of Black teachers and administrators at every level of the APS system to defraud the system and these kids out of their educations without anybody (parents) asking questions. Honestly, that dozens of school teachers in one district could be so thoroughly corruptible speaks volumes and it ain't sounding pretty. And you might consider that Black persons on the whole have far worse academic outcomes even when controlling for income. So we shouldn't be surprised that we find incidents like this among predominantly Black schools where A) the grades and scores were likely to be poorer to begin with and thus B) the incentives and opportunities for districts to cheat is far higher.

    3. Re:Did anyone consider... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I didn't. Probably because I'm not a racist.
      In reality though, I probably should have. It' a common social engineering trick these days to manipulate people with absolutely no culure or historical record by pointing out that you should not make judgements about people based on gender or religion or race. We should do as MLK suggested and judge people based on the content of their character, which is pretty hard to do among a population of divorced, aborting alcoholic homos who are also bad at math.

    4. Re:Did anyone consider... by sabbede · · Score: 1

      So what are you saying, "Thank god they were black, because if they were white they may have gotten away with it"?

    5. Re:Did anyone consider... by tribeca.kaji · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of issues with your argument. You are misinformed regarding several points. There are studies that conclude that African American students do as well as their white counterparts when controlling for income (they just aren't as popular as the converse). Regardless, controlling for income isn't enough to explain the environment as a whole. Secondly, the data that serves as the basis for your premises is currently incomplete. We really don't have enough information to draw any conclusions about the performance of minorities versus their white counterparts. There has been much speculation but very little problem solving on the subject. In a sense, no child left behind is one experiment in a series of many. We are very much in a trial and error stage with no major successes and a very slow feedback loop (20+ years). Your implication (A) and your conclusion (B) does not follow. Assuming your statement is true we could say that if there are no incentives or opportunities to cheat then the grades and scores are not poor. If you really think about that statement, its absurd and contradictory. There are many schools where there are no opportunities to cheat and the grades are still poor. People may cheat for a plethora of reasons. You can swap scores for black or minority and the argument still doesn't follow. The picture is far more complicated than you think. The reason for cheating may even be varied from administrator to administrator (money, pressure, threats, personal gain, notoriety etc.). To reduce the premise to to 'scores' or 'race' is ignorant.

  27. Dishonesty everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the U.S. of today, prosecutors can get dishonest advances to their careers by lying and cheating.

    From an earlier submitted Slashdot story: New Jersey cops killed a man by mauling him with a dog. The U.S. is rapidly getting worse.

  28. More widespread than thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm posting this anonymously because I still have two kids in a California public school. I caught their school cheating on the standardized tests (part of the "No Child Left Behind" act that Obama later repealed by decree). The teachers spent about a week coaching the kids on the answers before the test, and when test day came they patrolled the room glancing at the answers the kids wrote down. As it happened, my kid (top 1% IQ) was unhappy with her teacher and the school (because his teacher was incompetent and none of the other students knew enough to notice). My kid decided to fail the test deliberately and discretely wrote incorrect answers on her test. The teacher later intercepted the test and it did not get included in the scores for the school.

    When I spoke with the school Principal, she was aware of the incident and backed up the teacher. As far as I know, this teacher and principal are still working at the same school.

    1. Re:More widespread than thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As it happened, my kid (top 1% IQ) was unhappy with her teacher and the school (because his teacher was incompetent and none of the other students knew enough to notice). My kid decided to fail the test deliberately and discretely wrote incorrect answers on her test.

      WTF? A kid is 1% IQ but the best (only?) way she can think of to deal with a teacher she doesn't like is to deliberately fail a standardized test?

      But, more broadly, if a kid is genuinely 1% IQ then she should have already figured out, on her own, everything that the teacher is teaching. If she's really genius material she should be able to just get up and teach the class herself. It's an easy situation to deal with: ace the tests and maintain an expression of polite interest while the teacher is talking - but actually be thinking about how to unify relativity and quantum physics. If you're really going to change the world you can't expect a public school teacher to hand it to you on a silver platter. You've got to use your 1% IQ to figure out how to make it happen on your own.

    2. Re:More widespread than thought by kenh · · Score: 3, Informative

      part of the "No Child Left Behind" act that Obama later repealed by decree

      And by "repealed" you mean defended and threatened to veto the Republican bill to eliminate federally mandated testing in 2013?

      House Republicans voted Friday to dismantle the troubled No Child Left Behind law for evaluating America's students and schools, saying states and local school districts rather than Washington should be setting rules for ensuring that kids are getting good educations.

      The legislation would eliminate federally required testing of students, which has been controversial from the start. But the measure passed with no Democratic support and drew a veto threat from the Obama administration, which said it would be a "step backward" in efforts to better prepare children for colleges and careers and to bring improvements to low-performing schools.

      Democrats in the Senate, where they hold the majority, are working on their own bill. It would also give states greater flexibility in designing school improvement standards. But it would maintain the authority of the federal education secretary to approve those plans. A Senate vote on that legislation is unlikely until autumn.

      --
      Ken
    3. Re:More widespread than thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As it happened, my kid (top 1% IQ) was unhappy with her teacher and the school (because his teacher was incompetent and none of the other students knew enough to notice). My kid decided to fail the test deliberately and discretely wrote incorrect answers on her test.

      WTF? A kid is 1% IQ but the best (only?) way she can think of to deal with a teacher she doesn't like is to deliberately fail a standardized test?

      But, more broadly, if a kid is genuinely 1% IQ then she should have already figured out, on her own, everything that the teacher is teaching. If she's really genius material she should be able to just get up and teach the class herself. It's an easy situation to deal with: ace the tests and maintain an expression of polite interest while the teacher is talking - but actually be thinking about how to unify relativity and quantum physics. If you're really going to change the world you can't expect a public school teacher to hand it to you on a silver platter. You've got to use your 1% IQ to figure out how to make it happen on your own.

      I'm a 99.9 percentile student (or until I was graduated), and I have to tell you that you are babbling.

    4. Re:More widespread than thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when I was taking introductory quantum physics at MIT, the professor who was running the recitation took a little break from reviewing the course material to tell a personal anecdote about looking bored in one of his high school classes, being challenged by the teacher to get up and teach the class, and then actually getting up and successfully teaching the class right there without any special preparation. My impression is that most people at that level have such stories. If you don't know more than your high school teachers, by the time you're in high school, then it's a safe bet that you aren't really all that special intellectually.

    5. Re:More widespread than thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what Obama did or didn't do, but I think it makes sense. If the speed limit on your road is wrong, you don't call it a failed experiment and repeal it -- you do traffic studies to figure out what the right speed limit is and then change it.

      dom

  29. there should be a college GED or at least some way by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    there should be a college GED or at least some way for people to take a test to get a piece of paper and with out having to spend 30-50K + 2-4 years for it.

  30. 3rd world by vasilevich · · Score: 0

    With a mentality like this, they would be welcome in third world countries.

  31. As I'm sitting here grading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I'm sitting here grading AP calculus .. bullshit. At least now we're teaching the test instead of fucking nothing at all. My union has done an amazing job of ensuring that teacher feel underpaid while more and more administrators get hired and the education industry siphons more and more money. Many of my peers are truly worth as little as they're paid; they've either given up or were business school flunk-outs to begin with. Forcing the incompetent and unwilling to teach the test is better than teaching nothing.

  32. I'm doing just that at WGU. See also Excelsior by raymorris · · Score: 1

    There are a few schools that offer essentially that. I'm doing it at WGU.edu, which is a state school in many states (WGU Texas, for example, is a state school in Texas). You finish each class whenever you can pass the test, which in many cases is an industry-recognized certification test from CompTIA, CIW, Microsoft, etc. I just finished my database course, which took me a week to get four college credits since I know the material very well. If you knew ALL the material well enough to pass all of the tests, you could get a bachelor's degree in six months or so. They ALSO provide curriculum to teach you the material, but you study it only as much as you need to.

    You mentioned the cost. With WGU, you don't pay per-credit or per-class, but per-semester, and you can take as many courses in that semester as you want. (Minimum 12 credits for financial aid.) IF you knew everything you need to know for your degree, you could do the whole thing in one six-month semester at a cost of only $3000. The tax credit is about $1,200, so the net cost to you is only $1,800.

    Personally, I have a full time job, a part-time business, and a family, so I'm doing it in just a few hours per week and it will take a while.

    Other schools offer similar programs. WGU offers low cost and reasonable credibility - it's a state school just like Texas A&M, University of Texas, etc. Not AS flagship prestigious, but also not a joke like some online programs. Exclesior is somewhat similar in that you get credit for knowing the material, not for attendance or homework.

  33. Dishonesty everywhere ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first I thought it was the Chinese who cheats

    Then the news from India of parents scaling walls of an exam building to help their children cheat

    And now it's USA

    I thought USA never cheat

    I though USA is honest, plays fair, hates cheaters (that's why they hate the Chinese so much)

    Now it seems that USA is in the same boat as China

    1. Re:Dishonesty everywhere ? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 0

      Didn't use to be that way. I grew up with very strong ethics. If I did something wrong in the neighborhood, didn't seem to matter where - my parents knew and they'd be hell to pay. None of that wussy time out crap either.

      Today they're teaching our kids that right and wrong is just an opinion early on in the very first grades. There is no God either. So do whatever you want. Now we're surprised? No, just more liberal BS.

      Now people are discovering that there really is a good reason for religion. For doing the right thing.

      All in life together. For as great or as miserable as it can be. By the way, it can be very, very, very miserable.

    2. Re:Dishonesty everywhere ? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      If you think that religion is a good basis for doing the right thing you seriously need removed from the gene pool.

    3. Re:Dishonesty everywhere ? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      If you think that religion is a good basis for doing the right thing you seriously need removed from the gene pool.

      You totally missed the point, on multiple levels.

      Religion provides a way for people to address and understand what is right and wrong. Understand that this doesn't mean Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, all of them get into this. Some better than others. Sure beats the heck out of the atheists I know. Every one of them is despicable. A used car salesman is a step up.

      As for your gene pool remark, I have a feeling you'd be a great one to remove. Already way to late for me, my kids are probably older than you are. I could have grandchildren that are developmentally older than you are.

    4. Re:Dishonesty everywhere ? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      When you start off with religion, and it doesn't matter which one, as your frame of reference for what is good and evil you have already failed. You may end up with a decent moral answer for some things, but you will end up perpetuating the hate of those who came before you.

      I highly suspect that the reason you think the atheists you know are terrible stems directly from you knowing that they are atheist and nothing to do with how they actually behave. Or is it just that your set of morals, which were beaten into your head as a child, are as fucked up as the way they were taught to you.

      Since you mentioned it in your previous post, good and evil are just opinions. The idea of what is good and what is evil is nothing more than a sliding scale comparing one action against another. There is no list delivered by some supreme being laying out any absolute morality, to think that such a thing exists is the height of ignorance, and to think that you know for certain what is moral and what is not is the height of arrogance.

  34. Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... shows how drastically we've destroyed the country's 170-year-old public education system in just a few years ...

    I dunno what you are smokin' man ...
     
    The US public education system has already been in the motherfucking gutter for decades !!

  35. What? I mean... what? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Prosecutors Get an 'A' On Convictions of Atlanta Ed-Reform-Gone-Bad Test Cheats

    Try again, I don't think your headline was quite convoluted enough.

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  36. Yay for the prosecutors by groblewis · · Score: 1

    If only we had such good and motivated prosecutors to go after the massive banking fraud that caused the 2008 crash.

    1. Re:Yay for the prosecutors by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      No, no. You'd be talking about Barney Frank, Bill Clinton and Janet Reno and their fake red lining study to push "liar loans" Here's the horse himself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I remember they were threatening to put bankers in jail over discrimination unless they made these bad loans. So they did, and we got the predictable result.

      You could also be talking about Bernie who made-off? Yea, that guy, at least they got him. Got him good. If I remember right, his rolex watch is probably worth more than nearly everyone on slashdot's car is worth. Certainly more than mine.

  37. Re:ALL Niggas by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    He somehow managed to find slashdot. Happens sometimes. Always a crank.

    There is something to be said for black students. I was waiting for my Son who was in elementary school. That'd be about 15 years ago. On the lobby table was a book of performance on standardized tests. At the top were the white girls, then boys, then asian girls, asian boys.... bottom of the list black girls - 1 passed, no black boys. I thought WTH? I knew there were probably a dozen black boys in that grade for that school, about the same number of girls. Same school, same books, same teachers, same lesson plan, etc.. The one thing I did find is that the parents of the black kids couldn't seem to care less about them. I couldn't even help them. White guy trying to help black kids - must be up to something.

    How terrible.

    I did have a lot more success at the 4-H. Some black parents brought their kids by. I'd teach them anything. Anything at all. Sadly, it was just a fraction of a percent of black kids.