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Mysterious "Cold Spot": Fingerprint of Largest Structure In the Universe?

astroengine writes At the furthest-most reaches of the observable universe lies one of the most enigmatic mysteries of modern cosmology: the cosmic microwave background (CMB) Cold Spot. Discovered in 2004, this strange feature etched into the primordial echo of the Big Bang has been the focus of many hypotheses — could it be the presence of another universe? Or is it just instrumental error? Now, astronomers may have acquired strong evidence as to the Cold Spot's origin and, perhaps unsurprisingly, no multiverse hypothesis is required. But it's not instrumental error either. It could be a vast "supervoid" around 1.8 billion light-years wide that is altering the characteristics of the CMB radiation traveling through it.

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  1. looks like they found... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1, Funny

    your mom.

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    1. Re:looks like they found... by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 0

      Nah...check dust on lens.

      Doh!

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    2. Re:looks like they found... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      looks like they found... your mom.

      That does not make any sense. How could a 1.8 billion light-year supervoid be anyone's mother? Furthermore how could it be a mother of someone on Earth?

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    3. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your mom.

      Correction, they said it's a supervoid. Obviously they were talking about your mom's vagina.

    4. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "your mom."

      It's 'yo mama' you dumwit.

    5. Re:looks like they found... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      looks like they found... your mom.

      That does not make any sense. How could a 1.8 billion light-year supervoid be anyone's mother? Furthermore how could it be a mother of someone on Earth?

      woooooOOOOOOOSSSHHHHHhhhhh!

      woooooOOOOOOOSSSHHHHHhhhhh!

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    6. Re:looks like they found... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 0

      "you dumwit"

      It's 'you fuckwit', you fuckwit.

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    7. Re:looks like they found... by lgw · · Score: 1

      That does not make any sense. How could a 1.8 billion light-year supervoid be anyone's mother? Furthermore how could it be a mother of someone on Earth?

      Obviously, it's couldn't be most people's mom. This is about your mom, XxtraLarGe!

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    8. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're the stuff of stardust!

    9. Re:looks like they found... by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      That does not make any sense. How could a 1.8 billion light-year supervoid be anyone's mother? Furthermore how could it be a mother of someone on Earth?

      I am Groot.

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    10. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Groot Knoevenagel?

    11. Re:looks like they found... by theronb · · Score: 2

      Maybe it's actually a wet spot - left on the sheets from the creation of the universe.

    12. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you aren't modded down or anything. Brilliant!

    13. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like sucking, I think.

    14. Re:looks like they found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about this one... it's either my mom or my ex-wife both have that "cold signature" if you catch my drift.

  2. The Great Void by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Only a plucky human empath and his minidrag can save us now!

  3. /farthermost/ by drougie · · Score: 1

    Third word in.

    Why does everyone love the word further?

    1. Re: /farthermost/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like farthest-most, it takes it to 11.

    2. Re:/farthermost/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the difference in meaning is negligible in this case, the word is used over four times more often these days , and because the tongue requires less effort to pronounce "further".

    3. Re:/farthermost/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Missing link:

      https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=furthermost%2Cfarthermost&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=0&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cfurthermost%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cfarthermost%3B%2Cc0

    4. Re:/farthermost/ by careysub · · Score: 1

      Stretch it to 2015 and throw in a bit of smoothing. It appears that "farthermost" and "furthermost" track each other in usage over a period of over two centuries, with furthermost always being more popular, and with both being in decline since 1920. Until 2000. Then the usages turn upward. We are an era of "further/farthermost" renaissance!

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    5. Re:/farthermost/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the OP has a point that there is a difference in meaning... but I think in this case, it isn't so important.

    6. Re:/farthermost/ by l_bratch · · Score: 1

      Certainly in British English there is no difference in meaning, although I gather that in US English farther is often encouraged when referring to physical distance.

    7. Re:/farthermost/ by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 2

      Farther just means further in a distance-specific context, in much the same way as taller, wider, or more voluminous all mean bigger.
      It really doesn't matter if you are further away or farther away, but it does matter if you try to raise the temperature by a farther two degrees or prefer taller breasts.

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  4. Supervoid by 7bit · · Score: 3, Funny

    "vast supervoid around 1.8 billion light-years wide"

    Wow, that must have been some BIG super-collider accident.

  5. Re:Nobody cares, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do you ever feel dirty for replying offtopic to useless/joke posts to get your "serious" post to show up higher on the list?

  6. Other explanations: by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    2. Door out of the Holodeck.
    3. Kolob
    4. Missing dryer socks
    5. Where another LHC went "south"
    6. Where God divided by zero
    7. Where the Death Star exploded, taking out the neighborhood
    8. Universe's belly button
    9. Universe's tail end orifice

    1. Re:Other explanations: by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      10. Comcast HQ

    2. Re:Other explanations: by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      Not socks. They're in the hozone.

    3. Re:Other explanations: by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      The Supervoid is far too warm to be Comcast-related. Comcast HQ is somewhere in the -1K range.

    4. Re:Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You left out:

      My ex girlfriend's heart.

    5. Re:Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      galactic dyson sphere

    6. Re:Other explanations: by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      That would be fucking amazing.

    7. Re:Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's why their fiber optic service is taking too long to get to me...

      Sooo many lightyears of intergalactic road digging ahead for said fibre.

      The lag is out of this world!

    8. Re:Other explanations: by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      maybe it's winter there

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    9. Re:Other explanations: by daniel23 · · Score: 1

      11. The shadow of god.

      He stood there in his multiverse lab, shaking the tube with that new mixture of fundamental constants and just when he added a spoonfull of antimatter reductor something unfortunate happened and the whole thing went "bang" in a very bad way. He was super fast to duck down for shelter but the shockwave was faster and caught him rolled up like a ball.
      Thus the resulting universe has been god-forlon right from the very beginning.

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    10. Re: Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dead pixel?

    11. Re:Other explanations: by baKanale · · Score: 1

      9. Universe's tail end orifice

      I'm pretty sure they call that "Earth".

    12. Re:Other explanations: by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

      Except a dyson sphere should have a detectable "heat signature" for want of a better word...

      Somebody do the math and see if it adds up.

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    13. Re:Other explanations: by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It is the Q continuum.

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    14. Re:Other explanations: by WiltedPhoenix · · Score: 1

      Not Kolob.

      Each Kolob-day is as 1000 years of ours, (at least, wikipedia claims that is the description of the Book of Abraham), so a point on its (rotational) equator travels 1000 light-years at most per Kolob-day; that's 9.5e15 km, so the diameter of Kolob is restricted to 3.0e15 km at most, and 1.8 billion light-years is equivalent to 1.7e22 km; so the Cold Spot is ~ 5.7 million times larger than Kolob is allowed to be by the speed of light.

      Nothing in the Book of Abraham seems to say that it can violate that rule, though it does say Kolob is included in and governs those things of the same class as earth, so it *should* obey the same rules as Earth, such as speed of light, though I suppose an argument could be made that it chooses not to.

    15. Re:Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12. Uber Complaint Department

    16. Re:Other explanations: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry mate, but it would have to be a much much much colder spot for it to be Comcast.

  7. Re:Nobody cares, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the only option we ACs have.

  8. Re:Nobody cares, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And atom used to mean "cannot be broken down any smaller". What's your point? Do you not like it when we learn new things, is that it?

  9. Furthest-most by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the furthest-most reaches

    Furthest-most? When "furthest" is just not far enough?

    This is the worstest made up word I've seen in a long time.

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    1. Re:Furthest-most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me fail English? That's unpossible!

    2. Re:Furthest-most by dinfinity · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it's bullshit-nonsense. Stupidest-most thing I've seen all day.

    3. Re:Furthest-most by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Fuck, I only just noticed. TFA is not on some retarded blogger-blog, but on the Discovery Channel website. They have really and utterly gone to shit.

    4. Re:Furthest-most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use the request policy add-on with firefox on that site. It is the worst I've seen yet. For some reason you need to connect to reddit, google, facebook, twitter, github, youtube, stumbleupon, and over a dozen other sites. I am sure that when allowing those there will be others added in lower in the hierarchy.

    5. Re:Furthest-most by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Furthest-most? When "furthest" is just not far enough?

      You have a very unique way of putting things.

    6. Re:Furthest-most by Holi · · Score: 1

      Considering it's phrase that's been in use a lot longer then you have been alive makes it made up like every other word is made up.

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    7. Re:Furthest-most by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      "Irregardless" has also been in use a lot longer than I've been alive, but that doesn't make it good English.

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    8. Re:Furthest-most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Furthest-most" is a perfectly cromulent phrase.

  10. It's a Dysonsphere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Only this civilization was so big, one star system or even one galaxy wasn't big enough.

    1. Re:It's a Dysonsphere by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      At 1.8 billion LY, it looks like even one supercluster wasn't big enough.

    2. Re:It's a Dysonsphere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And it doesn't lose suction, not one tiddly bit.

  11. Re:Nobody cares, but... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    The definition of "Universe" from Marriam-Webster: " all of space and everything in it".

    And the definition of "Universe", from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

    Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real "wow, that's big," time. Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here.

  12. It's not a supervoid by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    It's a defence system made by hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings to protect them from super black holes.

    1. Re:It's not a supervoid by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      The Star Goat ate it.

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  13. It could also be another lens effect by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    We've had those before, where certain galaxies distort the emissions quite a bit.

    I'll wait for the follow up science before I "worry".

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    1. Re:It could also be another lens effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a fucking cold spot on the CMB that's aligned with a fucking void"

      It's probably the same thing as the "missing heat" the AGWers are looking for. Somehow the pacific ocean was measured.

    2. Re:It could also be another lens effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading about this a bit, I see the paper has not even been published yet... how is anyone supposed to assess these claims? Why is it in the news already?

    3. Re:It could also be another lens effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nevermind, just bad journalism.
      http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content/450/1/288.full.pdf+html

  14. Is it a "Structure" by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ca a void be a structure? That doesn't seem like it would compile.

    1. Re:Is it a "Structure" by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Our universe is interpreted, not compiled. It has Schrodinger Typing: many objects don't even know what type they are until you punch them in the face.

    2. Re:Is it a "Structure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains the thug on the corner who calls himself "Lint".

  15. Re: Nobody cares, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fu

  16. An entire article about cosmology that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    doesn't contain the word "dark" in it. Therefore it's credibility has been immediately diminished.

    What is the world coming to?

  17. What by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

    So Dr. Astrophysicist, what's that thing in space?
    I don't know but I based my PHD thesis on it.

    1. Re:What by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely the more appropriate answer would have been: "That? Oh it's nothing.".

  18. Re:Nobody cares, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well we can't very well redefine what everyone previously thought was the universe to a new more fitting name.

    I mean look at how much and loudly you all bitched when we did that with the word "planet" so that our solar system didn't contain hundreds of thousands of planets.

    Just imagine how much larger in scale the pluto levels of butt hurt would be if we redefined "universe" the same way?

  19. Poor Me by JimSadler · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I seem to be limited to reason. When space is defined as nothing I have all kinds of issues with nothing having an effect on a big pile of something. Maybe we need to get rid of the word space and go back 150 years and call space the ether or some other mysterious material. Or i could just make up some babble that some people will pretend to understand. Example: Space is the expression of the differential between dark matter and matter acted upon by both energy and dark energy. Now freshmen light your pipes and ponder the truth of my conjecture.

    1. Re:Poor Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought about this for awhile. Then I started thinking about the leftover yellow peeps in my Easter basket. How long do those things last? One trick i learned is when they get hard and stale, you can still add them to your morning coffee. But don't look directly at it. The sight of a melting cute little chicken is profoundly disturbing.

    2. Re:Poor Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your conjecture is almost certainly nonsense. However your initial observation is a good one. Empty space isn't empty. It's stuff isn't it.

    3. Re:Poor Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Poor Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Astrosphere, interstellar medium, intergalactic medium.

    5. Re:Poor Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe you could learn what is thought to be going on here before creating a strawman and running away with it.

      A large void has potential to create a cold spot in the CMB through the Sachs-Wolfe effect. This isn't magic, but just gravitational red-shift, that climbing out of a gravitational well causes the red shift of light. This red shift is something that has been observed right here on Earth. All the Sachs-Wolfe effect adds to it is the requirement that in the early universe, density was changing on the time scales it took like to cross the density structures. The result is that if the density changed while light was crossing the structure, there would be a net change, unlike a static well where things come out at the same speed or wavelength as they went in with.

      There are a couple effects that can change the CMB after its formation, but don't amount to just "nothing" effecting it, but all come down to either effects from the light traveling through plasma or the effects of gravity on the traveling light.

  20. Actually it should be farthest by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Furthest-most? When "furthest" is just not far enough?

    Technically it should actually be "farthest" since it refers to a physical distance whereas "furthest" means most distant in a figurative sense. For example you say "furthest from the truth" not "farthest from the truth" but "Cape Spear is the farthest east you can go in Canada" not "furthest east". So to summarize: "furthest-most" should not have a hyphen, should not have the 'most' added since it is redundant and finally should actually be "farthest" since it refers to a physical distance.

    As for the origin of the "cold spot" I understood that it was completely statistically consistent with quantum fluctuations in the early universe. So how about we rule out that explanation first before coming up with multiple universes or other crazy stuff.

  21. Thought to be a supervoid by PaulMattSutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The universe is full of voids - large regions of space empty of matter. Ever since the detection of the Cold Spot, it's been speculated that a "supervoid" could be responsible, but it was thought that a void that large would not fit current understandings of structure formation - essentially trading a too-cold spot in the CMB for a too-big hole in the matter distribution.

    But this work, which was made public a year ago and just now got through the referee process, showed that there *is* a supervoid in the direction of the Cold Spot. They found it by looking at the distribution of galaxies in that direction. It turns out that it is a big void, but not very empty; more like a wide shallow dish than a small deep bowl. This can both explain the Cold Spot and be compatible with our understanding of how structure forms.

    1. Re:Thought to be a supervoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, McLovin, McLovin, McLovin, McLovin.

  22. Just more proof that Homer J. Simpson is right by laejoh · · Score: 2

    The universe is shaped as a donut. They have found the hole!

  23. The Universe is a Balloon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the hole is where the air (space) is escaping...

    We are all doomed.

  24. Seems to be buzzword loaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "One of the most extreme (and, frankly, exciting) hypotheses possibly explaining the Cold Spot focused around the multiverse. Stemming from superstring theory, the multiverse posits that our universe is just one of many universes in a bubbly soup of universes (universi?). And that Cold Spot? Well, it could be one of those neighboring universes nuzzling up against our own."

    Stemming from Superstring theory?...no, its the default. If you can have ONLY one of something then the theories have to explain why that special case exists. In the absence of that proof, there's no reason for there would not be two or two billion of them. No need for super silly string theory to justify what would be the default case! Really, its like when men thought the earth was at the center of the universe, and that the universe extended as far as could be seen and no further. Men always think of themselves as the center of things, and defining the number of universes as 1, from 1 big bang, that happens to be OUR universe, is just as ridiculous.

    Freshman are there to get a PhD, to get a PhD you need to accept the garbage logic of accepted theories. So its a self selected set of people prepared to shut their eyes to the problems with the theories and add their little piece of crap onto the big pile-o-crap. So freshman aren't the ones who will shovel the worst of this shit into the compost heap.

    1. Re:Seems to be buzzword loaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the absence of that proof, there's no reason for there would not be two or two billion of them.

      It isn't about the existence or non-existence of other universes, but about whether they could interact with ours, and in what way. In absence of any evidence otherwise, there is no reason to assume that other universes could interact in any particular way. Superstring theory provides a connection between such possibilities and other established properties found in GR and QFT. This isn't about egocentricism and the heliocentric-vs-geocentric debates, but more like trying to figure out, quantitatively, the precession of Mercury's orbit.

      Freshman are there to get a PhD

      Freshman are there to get a four year degree, from which there are a lot of directions people going, including PhDs in other fields and jobs that don't require a PhD. They are there to learn more fundamentals, the type of stuff you can and do play with hands experience on in lab components to courses.

      Grad students on other hand are there to get a PhD, and at that point should be able to read papers in general literature, which includes a wide variety of proposed alternatives to leading theories. They also need to prove they can do novel research, and finding holes in theories, backed with actual evidence, is a big way to get noticed and the dream of many grad students worried about their research being not good enough to get a job after their degree.

  25. Birthplace of the Universe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They say the universe was created out of nothing. Well, here is a whole lot of nothing!

  26. Pretty obvious to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They found the home of Nyarlathotep.

  27. daleks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . It turns out that it is a big void, but not very empty.

    It's full of Daleks, They just destroyed everything and made more Daleks.