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Yahoo Called Its Layoffs a "Remix." Don't Do That.

Nerval's Lobster writes: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer, in a conference call with reporters and analysts, referred to the net layoffs of 1,100 employees in the first quarter of 2015 as part of a 'remixing' of the company. A 'remix' is a term most often applied to songs, although it's also appropriate to use in the context of photographs, films, and artwork. CEOs rarely use it to describe something as momentous as a major enterprise's transition, especially if said transition involves layoffs of longtime employees, because it could potentially appear flippant to observers. If you run your own shop (no matter how large), it always pays to choose words as carefully as possible when referring to anything that affects your employees' lives and careers. Despite a renewed focus on mobile and an influx of skilled developers and engineers, Yahoo still struggles to define its place on the modern tech scene; that struggle is no more evident than in the company's most recent quarterly results, which included rising costs, reduced net income, and layoffs.

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  1. Re:Women CEO's. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because male CEOs never use stupid euphemisms for layoffs.

  2. It's Just a Euphemism... by Shoten · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring." Layoffs were called "right-sizing." And the executives were called "cunts." Amazing how just a little "word-smithing" can make things sound better than they really are, huh?

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    1. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Scutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It never ceases to amaze me the insensitivity with which employers treat the life-changing decisions they make regarding their employees. I get that it's a business decision and that sometimes you have to make the hard call, but that doesn't mean you have to be a douchebag about it. I've seen the gamut, from firing people via text message to inviting them to a "breakfast meeting" and having security box up their stuff while they're in the meeting room (and not giving them breakfast, either).

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    2. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been laid off once, but fortunately, it was handled extremely well. The CEO of the company (it was fairly small), called us to a meeting where he sat with us in a room and explained the situation and why it was being done, answering any questions we had afterwards. It's hard to get mad at someone when they're completely transparent about the whole thing, and I had a lot of respect for both him and the company for handling it that way. It still sucked, but it sucked in a way that didn't leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

      Note: he didn't use any euphemisms to describe what was happening.

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    3. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Business is business, I take your point but I think the issue isn't so much insensitivity as being needlessly insulting. I am adult I understand our employee/employer relationship is supposed to be mutual beneficial. Treat me like an adult.

      Tell me, "..We have to let you go, its nothing to do with your job performance, its just that your job function is no-longer aligned with our objectives" No I won't be thrilled about it but I'd much rather have an honest statement of the facts than some be euphemism about being re-mixed, right sized what have you.

      I also feel that companies should be honest about up coming layoffs when possible, but recognize it isn't always possible. Sometimes they can't risk letting people know until the last moment, and there are good security justifications for getting people out the building in a mass layoff situation. Still I'd say cut the bullshit, screw the Monday "Breakfast invite", just walk out to the bullpen Friday afternoon and let people know what's what.

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    4. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by guru42101 · · Score: 2

      I've been through two and a half layoffs.

      1st was managed like crap in November of 2001 working for a financial software company. Over the course of 3 weeks they laid off a bunch of people each Friday totaling 1/3 - 1/2 of the company. Each time saying that they done with layoffs for the foreseeable future. Each cut was made primarily by start date leaving their new application without enough workers and some parts of it's development without any workers.

      2nd was done ok'ish in March of 2008. Again in finance, this time making customizations to the application I helped write back in 2001. We knew there was some trouble, it had been well communicated. We just didn't know how close that trouble was. A deal to get buyers for our investments fell through and the company hit their break point for funds. An all hands meeting was held stating that the company was going to close. Contractors would be let go immediately unless they were working on something absolutely necessary. In a week announcements would be made on a layoff schedule and they reminded us of and explained the details of the company severance package. During that week work everyone continued on necessary work and documented what was needed to be done to mothball everything. Management met together and put in their requests for who to stay and how long. Emails were sent out stating that some would be asked to leave immediately, others stay for some time longer, some until the end of June, and a few until our portfolio was emptied. Then they had the meetings with each person, the division head, and one member of HR. If you went with what they wanted you would be given an extra month's pay. You could change it, but then you'd lose your severance and the month's pay.

      3rd was more a half lay off. I was working under a research grant and well before our grant was up for renewal it was announced that we wouldn't be getting the grant again as it was switching from research to implementation. Everyone was basically told to take their time and look for a new job or hang around until the end + 6 months. They also said they may get a new grant immediately or it may take awhile, but after the 6 months only a couple specific employes (necessary to continue grant applications) would be allowed to stay.

    5. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring." Layoffs were called "right-sizing." And the executives were called "cunts." Amazing how just a little "word-smithing" can make things sound better than they really are, huh?

      Yes, but here "remix" may actually be the right word for it.

      When you "remix" a song, you take a song that was good on its own merits, fuck with the tempo, add some annoying bleeps, warbles, gaps and/or voiceovers which completely ruins a song.

      So when you "remix" a company, you get rid of all the engineers and functional people whilst keeping the designers and giving the upper management a nice fat bonus which completely ruins a company

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    6. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      ...to a "breakfast meeting" and having security box up their stuff while they're in the meeting room (and not giving them breakfast, either).

      Wow! I would have been pissed.

      No one should ever fire me when I have low blood sugar.

  3. Re:Women CEO's. by Shoten · · Score: 2

    But....but....but all my SJW friends said she would rejuvenate the company with her Super Vagina.

    Are you sure they didn't say she would "remix" the company instead?

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  4. Re:Ugh by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if she's still lobbying for more H1B's to fill all those piles of unfilled jobs that Yahoo supposedly has.

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  5. What's next, hiring Carly? by sirwired · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what is coming next, hiring good 'ol Carly Fiorina as "Chief Vision Officer" or something like that? I'm sure that'd improve morale greatly. That worked out so well for HP. (Not that their subsequent two CEO's were much of an improvement...)

    Where do CEO's learn to talk like this? Weren't they ever front-line employees who rolled their eyes at the exec-speak? (Judging from the breathless and sycophantic comments I see posted on my company's intranet to every word from our Fearless Leaders, I'd say no.)

    1. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People at that level are advised by groups who are retained to aid with a particular sort of image or messaging. When your words to your staff can affect an entire company's stock price, and thus, affect the company at a fundamental level, you learn quickly to never talk off script.

      To be fair, saying the wrong thing and torpedoing a company's stock price can negatively affect not only the bottom line, but it also opens an otherwise good company up for "activist investors" or raiders who might be worse for your company in the long term than having to adhere to an inhuman script filled with euphemisms. A company in the hands of raiders ends up becoming a company split up or sold at a fire sale. That would mean the loss of *all* employees.

      Of course, there is a line where that can go from prudence to moral cowardice or even indifference. It is not always clear where that line really is. Few who have been laid off are really able to appreciate the bigger picture, given their current catastrophe.

      I do know of one CEO of a small company who personally called everyone he laid off down to a meeting, and explained the situation while in tears. I'm sure it made an impression on them, but in the end, they were all still out of a job. I can't imagine being someone in charge of a bigger company who might have to do that for hundreds of people for multiple layoffs. Admittedly, I also have trouble believing that they could relate to hundreds of people under them as individuals.

      If you work for a company over around 100 or so people, and you are an "individual contributor", you can pretty much expect that you will start having upper management become remote unless they make an increasing effort. Humans in general can only maintain only a certain number of relationships realistically, and a CEO probably has just as many outside the company as in it. Don't go to work for a big company and expect a personal touch from anyone but your manager or possibly their manager. They suffer from human limitations as much as anyone. You're going to be treated as a number which only works if the management is run by someone like The Count, who rather fancies numbers.

    2. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The point isn't to cheer up the people who got laid off. The company doesn't care about them.
      The point is to motivate the people who are still around. Get them to work hard. Keep them from abandoning the company. I don't know if it will work in this case, but in my experience, people tend to forget the layoffs fairly quickly.

      The only thing that can make a layoff 'good' is if it gets rid of the dead-weight, the coworkers who weren't really contributing anyway, probably wrote buggy code, and were slowing you down by talking for 10 minutes every sprint. That is the only kind of layoff that can be called a 'remix.'

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  6. Now anyone can be CEO by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    ...since apparently common sense, intelligence, sensitivity and interpersonal skills are not prerequisites for being a CEO of a global company anymore.
    Kinda makes me wonder what relevant skills she actually does have.

  7. CEOs and the truth by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    CEOs like to use special language because they are all sociopaths and have trouble with the truth.

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    1. Re:CEOs and the truth by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This, incidentally, is the reason there are so few woman CEOs: The sociopathy is a job _requirement_ and there are fewer female sociopaths. That those are not in any way inferior in pathology though, is amply demonstrated by Meyers, Ginny and Fiorina. They can lie, cheat, steal and kill companies with the best of them. It also shows nicely that calling for more women in CEO positions is entirely bogus: It will just get those sociopaths a booster.

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    2. Re:CEOs and the truth by madirad · · Score: 2

      CEOs like to use special language because they are all sociopaths and have trouble with the truth.

      Not true. Not all CEOs are sociopaths. There are examples of fine CEOs who aren't. Hmm, I can't think of any examples but I know I've heard of some once.

  8. more names by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have some suggestions for additional terminology. An unprofitable quarter (so in other words, all of them) could just be called "dippin'" Then accidentally serving up crytowall malware through their ad network could be "trippin'" and buying out a company that they think is hot and turns out to be a complete nosedive could be called...um...not really sure on that one but Marissa Mayer is a freaking idiot. Maybe they could call it that. Call it a "Marissa Mayer" when someone royally screws up and loses a ton of money.

  9. Re:Women CEO's. by sycodon · · Score: 2

    It was probably suggest by HR, which we all know is populated by people of undetermined gender and questionable intelligence.

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  10. Re:Women CEO's. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    A company's one thing. Just be thankful there's no chance of one running the country.

    Hang on a minute...

    No, hang on another minute...

    Shit, gimme a beer.

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  11. Re:I need a reminder by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Serious question: what does Yahoo! do that earns them money? I honestly can't name anything off the top of my head.

    They own some percentage of Alibaba. It's seriously something like 110% of their net worth - people have said that, without it, Yahoo! is actually worth less than $0.

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  12. Re:Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

    Finance.yahoo.com, is also dying. Thank you CEO Marissa Mayer, you have taken what used to be a valuable and interesting resource for investors and completely fucking ruined it.

    Regarding Yahoo mail, since you can't take your yahoo email to another server, exactly what are we supposed to do with what is for many of us what we consider our permanent email address. I don't want to tell all my contacts to find me at a new address every time a new domain becomes popular. Then again, I don't want any more job related spam their so Gmail is welcome to it. It only helps with my efforts to make sure Google's algorithms think I'm a good little soldier that only cares about work. Yahoo has gotten a worse rap than it deserves. Just because the media latches on to Google doesn't mean there is something lacking in the competition. I've had my email there for over two decades and I've never had to contact support for anything, they must do a few things right. If I go anywhere with my real mail I'd have to consider Hushmail. Lack of privacy is my only real complaint about yahoo mail.

  13. Re:Ugh by OnPoint324 · · Score: 2

    Replacing tech workers with H1bs is apparently under investigation. I am confident that it will not stop that program. More likely to be effective is to show companies that their new, cheap H1bs are prone to transfer company IP to competitors.

  14. Re:I don't see the big deal by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being laid off sucks. You may well be relatively confident that you have a new job in the works, but all the capital you might have gained in that company is over, save for perhaps, some references you can get if you didn't piss off your managers or co-workers and maybe some non-worthless options.

    It also can come at inopportune times for your financial situation. It is a pain in the ass to get a loan for a new house when you haven't been in a new job for very long, and that's even when you chose to move jobs for a bigger paycheck, and so should be able to be more capable, rather than less capable of paying the bills.

    More to the point, despite it being just "business", you wonder how you ended up on the selection list. Even if you're relatively sure that it wasn't merit-based retention, layoff time is when managers remove people who they couldn't justify outright firing, but are more than happy to throw to the wolves when the reaper requests his quota.

    And of course, finally, while there may be many jobs out there on average, it is very possible that you're too expensive or too old, or your skills were too specific to get you a comparable position elsewhere. And it is known you were laid off and need a new job, there is a real chance you'll get lowballed. You can be up shit creek if that happens and you have a family to support who were relying on every last dime you made to support them.

    tl;dr Having more job opportunities available only makes being laid off suck slightly less. If you had wanted a new job, you'd have gone and gotten one yourself.

  15. I doubt it's on the table, but by paiute · · Score: 2

    "Yahoo still struggles to define its place on the modern tech scene...." Maybe, just maybe, Yahoo has no place, and investors would be better served if the company was liquidated and their money returned.

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  16. She's not all bad... by Kylon99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    To her credit, when the employees complained about them being stack ranked at a general meeting (i.e. they vote who is the worse in every team and then fire them), she categorically denied it was stack ranking with no explanations and then proceeded to read a children's book to everyone. That showed a lot of respect to...

    No wait...
    http://www.businessinsider.com...

  17. Re:Women CEO's. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A company's one thing. Just be thankful there's no chance of one running the country.

    Hang on a minute...

    No, hang on another minute...

    Shit, gimme a beer.

    So far, the alternatives are a garden gnome from Canada, I mean, Texas, an ophthalmologist that can't spell "education" from Kentucky, or a really thirsty Floridian.

    (That beer is looking mighty refreshing...)

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  18. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by lgw · · Score: 2

    12 years into my career and I've never been fired it laid off. Maybe you need to rethink how good you think you are?

    If you never fail, you aren't trying ambitious enough projects, or you're sandbagging. If you're not occasionally pissing off managers, you're not doing your job as a senior engineer. Sometimes you get a petty manager who only wants minions and finds an excuse to remove you. *shrug* If you're good, you move to a better job.

    I do interesting project the right way, and I target aggressive schedules. I tell managers when they're full of shit. If that's not right for a company, I'll be leaving eventually, one way or another. Why work at a crap company?

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  19. Re:Women CEO's. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Vote Sam Adams?

  20. Mayer's Plan for Yahoo by murr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rip. Mix. Burn.

  21. Re:Yahoo needs to innovate, not self-mutilate... by bolek_b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see a pattern here. I used to be a frequent user of Flickr, paying Pro account, using it as a primary photo storage and such. After a wave of arrogant, user-hostile redesigns, I have noticed that many of my contacts stopped to come and finally after - as we could label it now - a repulsive "UI remix" two years ago, I too stopped coming. So big congratulations to MM - laying off the customers is quite a feat!

  22. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by tgv · · Score: 2

    Your view on this is quite absurd. No-one should get fired for occasionally "pissing off" a manager or trying an ambitious project. If you get fired over this, and find that acceptable, I suggest you look up the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.

  23. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    12 years into my career and I've never been fired it laid off. Maybe you need to rethink how good you think you are?

    If you never fail, you aren't trying ambitious enough projects, or you're sandbagging. If you're not occasionally pissing off managers, you're not doing your job as a senior engineer. Sometimes you get a petty manager who only wants minions and finds an excuse to remove you. *shrug* If you're good, you move to a better job.

    I do interesting project the right way, and I target aggressive schedules. I tell managers when they're full of shit. If that's not right for a company, I'll be leaving eventually, one way or another. Why work at a crap company?

    As is usual on slashdot, you are generalising from your own situation.

    The truth is that, for most people, a job is just something that lets you eat and pay your bills, and the concept of "interesting" is just a handy bonus rather than a necessity.

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  24. Re:Women CEO's. by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or you could vote for a former doctor who is willing to get arrested supporting her cause, who is anti-war, pro-pot, pro-environment, and not in the pockets of a single corporation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein