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Yahoo Called Its Layoffs a "Remix." Don't Do That.

Nerval's Lobster writes: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer, in a conference call with reporters and analysts, referred to the net layoffs of 1,100 employees in the first quarter of 2015 as part of a 'remixing' of the company. A 'remix' is a term most often applied to songs, although it's also appropriate to use in the context of photographs, films, and artwork. CEOs rarely use it to describe something as momentous as a major enterprise's transition, especially if said transition involves layoffs of longtime employees, because it could potentially appear flippant to observers. If you run your own shop (no matter how large), it always pays to choose words as carefully as possible when referring to anything that affects your employees' lives and careers. Despite a renewed focus on mobile and an influx of skilled developers and engineers, Yahoo still struggles to define its place on the modern tech scene; that struggle is no more evident than in the company's most recent quarterly results, which included rising costs, reduced net income, and layoffs.

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  1. Do you get extra unemployment benefits with that? by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    You get an extra 10%/month if you've been remixed instead of merely laid off! Yahoo!!

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  2. Re:Women CEO's. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because male CEOs never use stupid euphemisms for layoffs.

  3. It's Just a Euphemism... by Shoten · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring." Layoffs were called "right-sizing." And the executives were called "cunts." Amazing how just a little "word-smithing" can make things sound better than they really are, huh?

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    1. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Scutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It never ceases to amaze me the insensitivity with which employers treat the life-changing decisions they make regarding their employees. I get that it's a business decision and that sometimes you have to make the hard call, but that doesn't mean you have to be a douchebag about it. I've seen the gamut, from firing people via text message to inviting them to a "breakfast meeting" and having security box up their stuff while they're in the meeting room (and not giving them breakfast, either).

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    2. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree. Yahoo's remixing of their valued associates is a synergistic double plus good.

    3. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by RandomAdam · · Score: 1

      Already +5 or else I would have modded this up..... great for a laugh of on a Thursday morning.

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    4. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I've seen the gamut, from firing people via text message to inviting them to a "breakfast meeting" and having security box up their stuff while they're in the meeting room (and not giving them breakfast, either).

      I don't know if "gamut" is the word you were looking for. Both of those things are pretty crappy ways to fire someone.

    5. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been laid off once, but fortunately, it was handled extremely well. The CEO of the company (it was fairly small), called us to a meeting where he sat with us in a room and explained the situation and why it was being done, answering any questions we had afterwards. It's hard to get mad at someone when they're completely transparent about the whole thing, and I had a lot of respect for both him and the company for handling it that way. It still sucked, but it sucked in a way that didn't leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

      Note: he didn't use any euphemisms to describe what was happening.

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    6. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Business is business, I take your point but I think the issue isn't so much insensitivity as being needlessly insulting. I am adult I understand our employee/employer relationship is supposed to be mutual beneficial. Treat me like an adult.

      Tell me, "..We have to let you go, its nothing to do with your job performance, its just that your job function is no-longer aligned with our objectives" No I won't be thrilled about it but I'd much rather have an honest statement of the facts than some be euphemism about being re-mixed, right sized what have you.

      I also feel that companies should be honest about up coming layoffs when possible, but recognize it isn't always possible. Sometimes they can't risk letting people know until the last moment, and there are good security justifications for getting people out the building in a mass layoff situation. Still I'd say cut the bullshit, screw the Monday "Breakfast invite", just walk out to the bullpen Friday afternoon and let people know what's what.

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    7. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is that many people fall for it time and again. It is like people want to be lied to.

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    8. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by guru42101 · · Score: 2

      I've been through two and a half layoffs.

      1st was managed like crap in November of 2001 working for a financial software company. Over the course of 3 weeks they laid off a bunch of people each Friday totaling 1/3 - 1/2 of the company. Each time saying that they done with layoffs for the foreseeable future. Each cut was made primarily by start date leaving their new application without enough workers and some parts of it's development without any workers.

      2nd was done ok'ish in March of 2008. Again in finance, this time making customizations to the application I helped write back in 2001. We knew there was some trouble, it had been well communicated. We just didn't know how close that trouble was. A deal to get buyers for our investments fell through and the company hit their break point for funds. An all hands meeting was held stating that the company was going to close. Contractors would be let go immediately unless they were working on something absolutely necessary. In a week announcements would be made on a layoff schedule and they reminded us of and explained the details of the company severance package. During that week work everyone continued on necessary work and documented what was needed to be done to mothball everything. Management met together and put in their requests for who to stay and how long. Emails were sent out stating that some would be asked to leave immediately, others stay for some time longer, some until the end of June, and a few until our portfolio was emptied. Then they had the meetings with each person, the division head, and one member of HR. If you went with what they wanted you would be given an extra month's pay. You could change it, but then you'd lose your severance and the month's pay.

      3rd was more a half lay off. I was working under a research grant and well before our grant was up for renewal it was announced that we wouldn't be getting the grant again as it was switching from research to implementation. Everyone was basically told to take their time and look for a new job or hang around until the end + 6 months. They also said they may get a new grant immediately or it may take awhile, but after the 6 months only a couple specific employes (necessary to continue grant applications) would be allowed to stay.

    9. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The gamut of crap, I'm sure, is what GP was referring to.

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    10. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Then there was 'Bandwidth' used by a Ford/GM/Chrysler CEO a few years back. Something like "There is not enough bandwidth in this model..." and so on.
      It's just that the managemensturbators have run out of kewl phrasing.

      Now the trick is to try and find out the next groovy word, pull it totally out of its normal context and apply it to something completely different.

      In the meantime, construction of the Ark B ship is on target. Identification of middle management personnel is almost complete via the Mars One sting and collection points in major centers are being established.

      Soon... Soon...

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    11. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring." Layoffs were called "right-sizing." And the executives were called "cunts." Amazing how just a little "word-smithing" can make things sound better than they really are, huh?

      Yes, but here "remix" may actually be the right word for it.

      When you "remix" a song, you take a song that was good on its own merits, fuck with the tempo, add some annoying bleeps, warbles, gaps and/or voiceovers which completely ruins a song.

      So when you "remix" a company, you get rid of all the engineers and functional people whilst keeping the designers and giving the upper management a nice fat bonus which completely ruins a company

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    12. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Generalizations are always a bad idea, but both of you have some valid points. In the case of Yahoo however, they were on a hiring kick for a few years. 1100 people is not small percentage. It's 8.8% of Yahoo's staff, and double what they hired over the last two years. Seems like mismanagement to me.

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    13. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      ...to a "breakfast meeting" and having security box up their stuff while they're in the meeting room (and not giving them breakfast, either).

      Wow! I would have been pissed.

      No one should ever fire me when I have low blood sugar.

    14. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by ook_boo · · Score: 1

      The term "layoff" is also a euphemism, originally suggesting a seasonal...uh...layoff, with a return planned. So the meaning has now morphed, the euphemism has lost its magic power among the marketing types, and they need to go on and find new ways to murder the English language.

    15. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I get that it's a business decision and that sometimes you have to make the hard call, but that doesn't mean you have to be a douchebag about it.

      Sure you do. Being a douchebag to your victims inhumanizes them and thus makes you feel less guilty about mistreating them. It's why it's such a common practice of various corrupt security forces the world over.

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    16. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring." Layoffs were called "right-sizing." And the executives were called "cunts." Amazing how just a little "word-smithing" can make things sound better than they really are, huh?

      They're not really people anyway; they're just headcount.

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    17. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      https://www.google.com/search?...
      Gamut is a perfectly cromulent word to use in that sentence.

    18. Re:It's Just a Euphemism... by metamatic · · Score: 1

      They were offered horizontal promotions.

      They were given the opportunity to excel in a more external capacity.

      They were reverse rehired.

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  4. Re:Women CEO's. by Shoten · · Score: 2

    But....but....but all my SJW friends said she would rejuvenate the company with her Super Vagina.

    Are you sure they didn't say she would "remix" the company instead?

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  5. Re:Women CEO's. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

    You're right.

    This line from the article says it all and it's got nothing to do with race or gender:

    If you run your own shop (no matter how large), it always pays to choose words as carefully as possible when referring to anything that affects your employees' lives and careers

  6. Relevance by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    And Google is whistling "Under My Thumb" all the way to the bank.

  7. Re:Ugh by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if she's still lobbying for more H1B's to fill all those piles of unfilled jobs that Yahoo supposedly has.

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  8. Re:Ugh by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Don't present a corporate restructuring (including layoffs) like a kick starter campaign.

    You sure we shouldn't be suggesting that companies use Kickstarter in order to avoid layoffs?

    We've seen some pretty insane shut-up-and-take-my-money ventures, like the one where man is hungry and needs 10 bucks to make potato salad. What does Kickstarter net him for potato salad? $55,000.

  9. Re:Inevitable by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    And Walmart is laying off people because of "plumbing issues". Yeah, right.

    The employees are being flushed. Seems clear and direct enough.

    Would be amusing to see what would happen if every Walmart in America tried to unionize. They can't all experience plumbing issues, because there'd be nothing left except some confused buyers and warehouse staff. Oh, and a few hundred thousand shipping containers filled to the brim with Dora the Explorer dolls and Hello Kitty t-shirts.

  10. Anything less would've disqualified her as CEO by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    I think your sarcasm just flew right past me. She's no captain... unless you're thinking that Costa Concordia's Chicken of the Sea from a few years back (hot damn, never thought I do quote F_x News). I am waiting for an adventuresome CEO to phrase this type of affair as a bad case of diarrhea...

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  11. "Remix" is also an excellent word for break-up, by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    divorce and adultery.

    1. Re:"Remix" is also an excellent word for break-up, by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      yahoo and its agencies are having a conscious uncoupling?

  12. What's next, hiring Carly? by sirwired · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what is coming next, hiring good 'ol Carly Fiorina as "Chief Vision Officer" or something like that? I'm sure that'd improve morale greatly. That worked out so well for HP. (Not that their subsequent two CEO's were much of an improvement...)

    Where do CEO's learn to talk like this? Weren't they ever front-line employees who rolled their eyes at the exec-speak? (Judging from the breathless and sycophantic comments I see posted on my company's intranet to every word from our Fearless Leaders, I'd say no.)

    1. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People at that level are advised by groups who are retained to aid with a particular sort of image or messaging. When your words to your staff can affect an entire company's stock price, and thus, affect the company at a fundamental level, you learn quickly to never talk off script.

      To be fair, saying the wrong thing and torpedoing a company's stock price can negatively affect not only the bottom line, but it also opens an otherwise good company up for "activist investors" or raiders who might be worse for your company in the long term than having to adhere to an inhuman script filled with euphemisms. A company in the hands of raiders ends up becoming a company split up or sold at a fire sale. That would mean the loss of *all* employees.

      Of course, there is a line where that can go from prudence to moral cowardice or even indifference. It is not always clear where that line really is. Few who have been laid off are really able to appreciate the bigger picture, given their current catastrophe.

      I do know of one CEO of a small company who personally called everyone he laid off down to a meeting, and explained the situation while in tears. I'm sure it made an impression on them, but in the end, they were all still out of a job. I can't imagine being someone in charge of a bigger company who might have to do that for hundreds of people for multiple layoffs. Admittedly, I also have trouble believing that they could relate to hundreds of people under them as individuals.

      If you work for a company over around 100 or so people, and you are an "individual contributor", you can pretty much expect that you will start having upper management become remote unless they make an increasing effort. Humans in general can only maintain only a certain number of relationships realistically, and a CEO probably has just as many outside the company as in it. Don't go to work for a big company and expect a personal touch from anyone but your manager or possibly their manager. They suffer from human limitations as much as anyone. You're going to be treated as a number which only works if the management is run by someone like The Count, who rather fancies numbers.

    2. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you read a better article elsewhere, you'll learn that the other CEO's plan was to cut 5,000 based on product not skill; and the investors wanted yahoo to cut 12,000 and outsource everything. She stopped all that, rehired skilled workers, and instead got rid of the dead wood & transferred skilled people to the products they wanted to keep.

      But you are right, classic business strategy is that all employees are fungible, contractors are always better, and a sinking ship should give out bonuses to keep the officers from leaving in their private life rafts.

    3. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      While I agree this was a bad move, and I dislike feminists and "positive discrimination" as much as the next guy, it is a bit sad to see so many reactions playing the "woman"-card. She did something foolish. The fact that she's a women doesn't really matter here. Foolish things were done by men too, no reason for dragging other women into this story.

    4. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The point isn't to cheer up the people who got laid off. The company doesn't care about them.
      The point is to motivate the people who are still around. Get them to work hard. Keep them from abandoning the company. I don't know if it will work in this case, but in my experience, people tend to forget the layoffs fairly quickly.

      The only thing that can make a layoff 'good' is if it gets rid of the dead-weight, the coworkers who weren't really contributing anyway, probably wrote buggy code, and were slowing you down by talking for 10 minutes every sprint. That is the only kind of layoff that can be called a 'remix.'

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    5. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or maybe Ginny after she has striped IBM of anything of value.

      Now, now. Let's not be sexist. IBM has been going down the swirler even before Lou Gerstner showed up and put it on the fast track on the road to hell.

    6. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Where do CEO's learn to talk like this? Weren't they ever front-line employees who rolled their eyes at the exec-speak?

      They were probably the 1 in 1000 who actually thought such speech was "cool". It's what drove them to seek and learn the Ways of the PHB.

      PHB Master: "Grasshopper, snatch the pebble from my hand."

      Grasshopper: "But Master, I do not see a pebble."

      PHB: "If I am the boss and I want there to be a pebble, you DO see a pebble."

      Grasshopper: "Ahhhh, I see it now...Boss!"

    7. Re:What's next, hiring Carly? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, she is merely continuing what others started, I am aware of that.

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  13. I don't see the big deal by imgod2u · · Score: 1

    I really don't see what the fuss is about. I have a lot of empathy for people who lost their jobs but software -- especially if you have Yahoo on your resume -- is a booming industry and there are plenty of jobs out there. I honestly can't muster too much sympathy for software developers who are unemployed right now.

    That being said, Yahoo did need a "remixing" and whatever word you use to describe it is rather unimportant. I don't see why that was a point of focus in the story. Companies aren't around to just give people jobs for the sake of giving them jobs. If these people weren't important to the eventual strategy and success of Yahoo well...they should go, or be "remixed" or "downsized" or whatever.

    1. Re:I don't see the big deal by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being laid off sucks. You may well be relatively confident that you have a new job in the works, but all the capital you might have gained in that company is over, save for perhaps, some references you can get if you didn't piss off your managers or co-workers and maybe some non-worthless options.

      It also can come at inopportune times for your financial situation. It is a pain in the ass to get a loan for a new house when you haven't been in a new job for very long, and that's even when you chose to move jobs for a bigger paycheck, and so should be able to be more capable, rather than less capable of paying the bills.

      More to the point, despite it being just "business", you wonder how you ended up on the selection list. Even if you're relatively sure that it wasn't merit-based retention, layoff time is when managers remove people who they couldn't justify outright firing, but are more than happy to throw to the wolves when the reaper requests his quota.

      And of course, finally, while there may be many jobs out there on average, it is very possible that you're too expensive or too old, or your skills were too specific to get you a comparable position elsewhere. And it is known you were laid off and need a new job, there is a real chance you'll get lowballed. You can be up shit creek if that happens and you have a family to support who were relying on every last dime you made to support them.

      tl;dr Having more job opportunities available only makes being laid off suck slightly less. If you had wanted a new job, you'd have gone and gotten one yourself.

  14. Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> influx of skilled developers and engineers, Yahoo still struggles to define its place on the modern tech scene

    If it helps put it in context, I recently left a Midwestern tech job and advertised a yahoo email address (rather than one that would have highlighted my moonlighting - ahem) for people who wanted to stay in touch. The number of people who showed up on Twitter to give me shit for still having a Yahoo address was telling.

    1. Re:Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

      Finance.yahoo.com, is also dying. Thank you CEO Marissa Mayer, you have taken what used to be a valuable and interesting resource for investors and completely fucking ruined it.

      Regarding Yahoo mail, since you can't take your yahoo email to another server, exactly what are we supposed to do with what is for many of us what we consider our permanent email address. I don't want to tell all my contacts to find me at a new address every time a new domain becomes popular. Then again, I don't want any more job related spam their so Gmail is welcome to it. It only helps with my efforts to make sure Google's algorithms think I'm a good little soldier that only cares about work. Yahoo has gotten a worse rap than it deserves. Just because the media latches on to Google doesn't mean there is something lacking in the competition. I've had my email there for over two decades and I've never had to contact support for anything, they must do a few things right. If I go anywhere with my real mail I'd have to consider Hushmail. Lack of privacy is my only real complaint about yahoo mail.

    2. Re:Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by weav · · Score: 1

      yahoo.com? or yahoo-inc.com? There's a real difference...

    3. Re:Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > since you can't take your yahoo email to another server

      Set up Thunderbird (or whatever client you use) to connect to your Yahoo mail account via IMAP. Pull down the entire contents of your mail, including any folder hierarchy, on the initial sync. Then take your email to another IMAP-enabled provider and resync.

      -CF

    4. Re:Yahoo is still a "tech" company? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Finance.yahoo.com, is also dying. Thank you CEO Marissa Mayer, you have taken what used to be a valuable and interesting resource for investors and completely fucking ruined it.

      Maybe it has gotten worse under Mayer, but to be fair, Yahoo finance was "unimproved" some years ago, turning from a usable set of forums to pages full of unreadable bling. What I don't understand is why Mayer (who was supposed to be responsible for Google's simple, spartan look) hasn't done the same for Yahoo. Or perhaps she has -- I can't remember the last time that I visited a Yahoo page. That's the nature of the problem -- once you drive your users away, they don't come back, irrespective of how the site changes.

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  15. Now anyone can be CEO by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    ...since apparently common sense, intelligence, sensitivity and interpersonal skills are not prerequisites for being a CEO of a global company anymore.
    Kinda makes me wonder what relevant skills she actually does have.

    1. Re:Now anyone can be CEO by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Did everyone forget that many CEO's show signs of psychopathy? (now called something more P.C., like antisocial personality disorder) Some sources:
      Forbes
      Patheos
      arts.mic
      thestar

      Is anyone really surprised that CEOs don't show the slightest regard for the well-being of the lives they can impact the most?

    2. Re:Now anyone can be CEO by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      No but I seriously would like to know how/why people that screw over others and make such bad decisions cen even get the chance to be CEOs, and why apparently many if not most CEOs are like that.

    3. Re:Now anyone can be CEO by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      That's only 50% misleading.

  16. CEOs and the truth by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    CEOs like to use special language because they are all sociopaths and have trouble with the truth.

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    1. Re:CEOs and the truth by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This, incidentally, is the reason there are so few woman CEOs: The sociopathy is a job _requirement_ and there are fewer female sociopaths. That those are not in any way inferior in pathology though, is amply demonstrated by Meyers, Ginny and Fiorina. They can lie, cheat, steal and kill companies with the best of them. It also shows nicely that calling for more women in CEO positions is entirely bogus: It will just get those sociopaths a booster.

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    2. Re:CEOs and the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I thought there were less female ceos because women can't negotiate.

    3. Re:CEOs and the truth by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is nonsense. Raising to a CEO position does not require negotiation, but backstabbing, forming of clubs and being utterly unconcerned with anybodies welfare but your own.

      The "cannot negotiate" happens to be mostly untrue but may explain why women earn a few percent less (apparently 5% when the statistics are done right) for the same work on average. In most jobs requiring advanced skills, even that difference vanishes.

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    4. Re:CEOs and the truth by madirad · · Score: 2

      CEOs like to use special language because they are all sociopaths and have trouble with the truth.

      Not true. Not all CEOs are sociopaths. There are examples of fine CEOs who aren't. Hmm, I can't think of any examples but I know I've heard of some once.

  17. I need a reminder by hedgemage · · Score: 1

    Serious question: what does Yahoo! do that earns them money? I honestly can't name anything off the top of my head.

    1. Re:I need a reminder by Soluzar · · Score: 1

      I often wonder this. I know that in some parts of Asia, Yahoo Auctions is the default for that kind of business rather than ebay, but is that all? I can't think of anything else.

    2. Re:I need a reminder by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Serious question: what does Yahoo! do that earns them money? I honestly can't name anything off the top of my head.

      They own some percentage of Alibaba. It's seriously something like 110% of their net worth - people have said that, without it, Yahoo! is actually worth less than $0.

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    3. Re:I need a reminder by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I had a domain name registered with them for a few years. I moved when after 20 support emails they still did not understand what I meant by "running my own DNS server and that they should point to it". So I know what they do to pass the time: demonstrating incompetence. But no idea where their money comes from. Masochists?

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    4. Re:I need a reminder by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Kiss up to Microsoft

    5. Re:I need a reminder by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Not to point out the obvious, but lets all Google Yahoo's net worth.

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    6. Re:I need a reminder by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Since you don't seem to understand the concept of net worth, here's some light reading about Yahoo for you:

      How much is Yahoo worth without Alibaba? Not much.

      Now according to that particular story, Alibaba only makes up 88% of Yahoo's total value. But others have calculated it differently, with their share of Alibaba being worth even more. Google can help you find those.

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    7. Re:I need a reminder by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Ah, here's an opinion piece - also from Bloomberg:

      Is Yahoo’s Business Worth Less Than Nothing?

      However I shouldn't have been so cavalier about all this, since Yahoo's potential failure affects a lot of real people with real families and obligations. If you're one of them, I apologize.

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  18. Have you seen picture of her? by eagee · · Score: 1

    She's got a serious set of sociopath eyes.

  19. more names by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have some suggestions for additional terminology. An unprofitable quarter (so in other words, all of them) could just be called "dippin'" Then accidentally serving up crytowall malware through their ad network could be "trippin'" and buying out a company that they think is hot and turns out to be a complete nosedive could be called...um...not really sure on that one but Marissa Mayer is a freaking idiot. Maybe they could call it that. Call it a "Marissa Mayer" when someone royally screws up and loses a ton of money.

    1. Re:more names by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Yahoo was rudderless and in a nosedive before Marissa Mayer arrived. But she got a huge amount of press when she took the job - almost certainly because she is a young-ish attractive female in the tech sector - and she has failed to do anything that significantly improves Yahoo's fortunes.

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    2. Re:more names by gweihir · · Score: 1

      A "Fiorina" is also nicely descriptive. And in a few years when IBM has no silverware to sell left, a "Ginny" could describe that. With apologies to the women-folk of course, but these female CEOs are just so much more memorable and had all the BS "women are better" crap to prop them up.

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    3. Re:more names by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Well a good start might be to choose a workable business model. They've been pretty much running in circles since Google surpassed them as the lead search engine, in like what 2002 or so?

    4. Re:more names by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      well, she took away the work-at-home perk. there's that.

      oh, wait, you asked what she did to -improve- things there?

      nevermind.

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  20. Re:Women CEO's. by sycodon · · Score: 2

    It was probably suggest by HR, which we all know is populated by people of undetermined gender and questionable intelligence.

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  21. Re:Women CEO's. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    A company's one thing. Just be thankful there's no chance of one running the country.

    Hang on a minute...

    No, hang on another minute...

    Shit, gimme a beer.

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  22. Re:Women CEO's. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Questionable? The only question is if they can tie their own shoes or if someone does it for them.

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  23. Re:call it 'corporate employee uncoupling' by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Sounds like "we are finished fucking you". Hmm. Appropriate.

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  24. Re:Ugh by OnPoint324 · · Score: 2

    Replacing tech workers with H1bs is apparently under investigation. I am confident that it will not stop that program. More likely to be effective is to show companies that their new, cheap H1bs are prone to transfer company IP to competitors.

  25. Re:call it 'corporate employee uncoupling' by mrbester · · Score: 1

    "This is the last time we'll fuck you, but you'll remember the pain for a long time."

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  26. Re:Sensitivity?? Seriously? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    Drop the sensitivity, and just start looking for the next gig.

    I believe that should be "Drop a beat! There is always the next Gig."

    My question is who is remixing Yahoo?

  27. Being hip ain't cool by whodat54321c · · Score: 1

    Yahoo lost their edge years ago when they failed to see the obvious and tried to out do Google. They missed so badly, it's not funny anymore. If they had a chief executive with a little sense and a lot more than just 'how do I look' in mind, perhaps they could get a unified vision in place and move forward as a company. That will not happen. They missed it completely, and like their fellow hangers-on at AOL, who never completed the transition to broadband well, they will soon be a name in tech's musty dustbin of history before the decade is out. The only thing that people wonder about Yahoo these days is when they will sell out and who to. They are dwarfed in the ad market by many other familiar sites, so what are they hanging around for? Not even the slightest attempt to refine any of their own software (perfect example, Yahoo Messenger) in years, so what are they really doing over there in the bay area anyway? This is the problem that has no direct answer. As to the actual 'remix', it seems like a line straight out of GTA Vice City. We went in a different direction... Yeah, a cheap direction.

  28. Re:She's not doing much good by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    I get the idea that Yahoo isn't actually turning around. They're doing worse and they're going to continue to do worse and they will need to continue to lay off.

    AOL had this thing in 2010 when that other Google person became CEO there where they were planning to just have one big layoff so that they could get on with life. That would have worked, if they hadn't kept fundamentally sucking ass.

  29. I doubt it's on the table, but by paiute · · Score: 2

    "Yahoo still struggles to define its place on the modern tech scene...." Maybe, just maybe, Yahoo has no place, and investors would be better served if the company was liquidated and their money returned.

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  30. Re:Aw yeaaah, bitches! This is MC Mayer, yo! by Snufu · · Score: 1

    We juss gettin' dis corporate remix started, y'all. Lemme bring out mah cronies, homies. 50 cent ain't got nuttin' on these 1 percenters. Give it up for Dr. Downsize and Lady Off. Yeah...both down with OPP! Foshizzle my nepotizzle.

    We remixin' all night. My posse is packin' pink slips and escorts off da premizez. Any clockpuncher here past midnight is half off...da payroll.

  31. She's not all bad... by Kylon99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    To her credit, when the employees complained about them being stack ranked at a general meeting (i.e. they vote who is the worse in every team and then fire them), she categorically denied it was stack ranking with no explanations and then proceeded to read a children's book to everyone. That showed a lot of respect to...

    No wait...
    http://www.businessinsider.com...

    1. Re:She's not all bad... by wasteoid · · Score: 1

      Wow, I thought you were joking, but she actually did that!

    2. Re:She's not all bad... by Kylon99 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I didn't really believe it at first, or was wondering if it was taken out of context some how... but no...

  32. Douchery Remix Video by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    To dubstep, with penises flapping around to the beat of the music!

    Seriously, how is Yahoo still a thing, anyway? The last time they were actually useful was in the '90's!

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  33. Re:Women CEO's. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A company's one thing. Just be thankful there's no chance of one running the country.

    Hang on a minute...

    No, hang on another minute...

    Shit, gimme a beer.

    So far, the alternatives are a garden gnome from Canada, I mean, Texas, an ophthalmologist that can't spell "education" from Kentucky, or a really thirsty Floridian.

    (That beer is looking mighty refreshing...)

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  34. Re:Do you get extra unemployment benefits with tha by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    It's like beer, some of it goes in the cup ready to be consumed. But then there's the head that just foams up and gets swiped off.

    Must feel good the next morning, wife walks in "How do you feel, beer ejecta? Ready for unemployment?" "Yahoo!"

  35. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by lgw · · Score: 2

    12 years into my career and I've never been fired it laid off. Maybe you need to rethink how good you think you are?

    If you never fail, you aren't trying ambitious enough projects, or you're sandbagging. If you're not occasionally pissing off managers, you're not doing your job as a senior engineer. Sometimes you get a petty manager who only wants minions and finds an excuse to remove you. *shrug* If you're good, you move to a better job.

    I do interesting project the right way, and I target aggressive schedules. I tell managers when they're full of shit. If that's not right for a company, I'll be leaving eventually, one way or another. Why work at a crap company?

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  36. Degrading by tquasar · · Score: 1

    Employees as chattle.

  37. "remix" is reasonable in this case by yuhong · · Score: 1

    I think calling it a "remix" is reasonable in this case. The idea is Marissa wants to get rid of some of the people hired under the previous CEO and replace it with much more talented people. Abuse of the term is still bad of course.

  38. Re:Women CEO's. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    Insensitive? - IBM saw the dotcom bust coming, they knew layoffs would follow so they forced all the workers to watch a video called "who moved my cheese".

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  39. When Euphemisms Collide by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It's just a euphemism. I remember working for a company that started embracing offshoring, which they called "right-shoring."

    It would be really funny for such terms to evolve into unwittingly offensive terms, like "Economic Colonialism", or "Nerd Trafficking".

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  40. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We like to frame that as: your new, cheap H1Bs are prone to transfer your competitors' IP to you!

  41. Re:Women CEO's. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Vote Sam Adams?

  42. Mayer's Plan for Yahoo by murr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Rip. Mix. Burn.

  43. Really more of a mashdown. n/t by jbeach · · Score: 1

    Not a mashup, that leaves you with something more.

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  44. Re:Yahoo needs to innovate, not self-mutilate... by bolek_b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see a pattern here. I used to be a frequent user of Flickr, paying Pro account, using it as a primary photo storage and such. After a wave of arrogant, user-hostile redesigns, I have noticed that many of my contacts stopped to come and finally after - as we could label it now - a repulsive "UI remix" two years ago, I too stopped coming. So big congratulations to MM - laying off the customers is quite a feat!

  45. Remixing My Search Engines by ikhider · · Score: 1

    Time to remix my search engines and never use Yahoo! (or affiliated products) again. After reading "When Google Met Wikileaks" by Assange, I will add google to that mix.

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  46. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by lgw · · Score: 1

    Quite the opposite. I have quite a comfortable level of retirement savings, and while I can't actually retire just yet, I'll have no stress if I don't have a job for a few months (which would be unlikely as about 2 recruiters a week ping me, as my resume now has many interesting projects that actually shipped). After your first 10 years or so, the only way to stand out is to point to particularly good stuff you've delivered, so if you're not going to get a new cool project out of a year's work, you're just treading water.

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  47. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by tgv · · Score: 2

    Your view on this is quite absurd. No-one should get fired for occasionally "pissing off" a manager or trying an ambitious project. If you get fired over this, and find that acceptable, I suggest you look up the definition of Stockholm Syndrome.

  48. Re:Women CEO's. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing the book, and then later some spoofs came out.

    The spoofs were more educational.

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  49. fem bot CEO by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

    Marissa is cold as a stone. She lacks feelings and human emotions. She is a fem bot.

  50. Re:Women CEO's. by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 1

    Wrong. Correct choice is to vote for Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

  51. Re:Women CEO's. by Builder · · Score: 1

    Thomson did this to staff just before the Reuters merger too.

  52. Re:Carly by captjc · · Score: 1

    She was a female Republican CEO. Seeing as her competition is Hillary Clinton, obviously some people think that if there is going to be a female president, it should at least be a Republican.

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  53. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    12 years you say. So, right after millions lost their jobs when the Dot Com bubble burst. You graduated and found a job that hasn't disappeared. Bully for you.

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  54. Like 'sunset' by Wootery · · Score: 1

    Am I right in thinking it was Yahoo who spearheaded the mealy-mouthed use of sunset to mean terminate?

    On Web 2.0, nothing is ever cancelled, closed, or shut-down. Only ever sunsetted.

    1. Re:Like 'sunset' by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      No, "sunsetted" has been around for a long time. Although historically it's been used to describe systems that are old and obsolete and getting replaced with new ones.

      You'll hear "sunsetted" frequently in the military to describe systems being retired, usually after decades of service because they're falling apart and their replacement has been in production for nearly a decade.

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  55. I don't know whose comfort they're considering... by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    ...when executives use euphemisms like "right-sizing." (I have never heard of a company that "right-sized" by hiring more employees). Even "layoff" is a euphemism because a "layoff" means a temporary suspension. "We'll have to let you go" means that you want to leave and they are reluctantly but graciously acceding to your wishes.

    They may be trying to make themselves feel more comfortable by pretending they aren't doing something hurtful to their employees.

    As for how it makes employees feel, I wish I could find the origin of a wonderful quotation... but someone, possibly W. Somerset Maugham, once said "Don't hand me a turd and tell me it's a profiterole" (creampuff).

  56. Re: Sensitivity?? Seriously? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

    12 years into my career and I've never been fired it laid off. Maybe you need to rethink how good you think you are?

    If you never fail, you aren't trying ambitious enough projects, or you're sandbagging. If you're not occasionally pissing off managers, you're not doing your job as a senior engineer. Sometimes you get a petty manager who only wants minions and finds an excuse to remove you. *shrug* If you're good, you move to a better job.

    I do interesting project the right way, and I target aggressive schedules. I tell managers when they're full of shit. If that's not right for a company, I'll be leaving eventually, one way or another. Why work at a crap company?

    As is usual on slashdot, you are generalising from your own situation.

    The truth is that, for most people, a job is just something that lets you eat and pay your bills, and the concept of "interesting" is just a handy bonus rather than a necessity.

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  57. Re:Ugh by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

    Technically, you can't hire someone to directly replace a laid off worker for some period of time. What you have to do is shuffle the org so that your existing employees don't have the right "skill mix" for the way the company will operate in the future. Then you hire the H1B's whose resumes exactly match the posting (miraculously). Whether the new org sticks or not isn't important.

  58. Re:Women CEO's. by mr.mctibbs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or you could vote for a former doctor who is willing to get arrested supporting her cause, who is anti-war, pro-pot, pro-environment, and not in the pockets of a single corporation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Stein

  59. Double Standard much by Dareth · · Score: 1

    http://gawker.com/5987043/yahoo-ceo-marissa-mayer-installed-a-nursery-in-her-office

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  60. Re:Women CEO's. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    If we're lucky, we might be able to get her vote count into three digits!

  61. Re:Women CEO's. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    slip-ons

  62. Stalin Remixed his cabinet by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    and now the photos only show 2 members instead of 10

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  63. Re:Women CEO's. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    So far, the alternatives are a garden gnome from Canada, I mean, Texas, an ophthalmologist that can't spell "education" from Kentucky, or a really thirsty Floridian.

    And they are all looking better than Hillary.

  64. Re: Carly by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    zing, wish I had a mod point.

  65. Re:Women CEO's. by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

    "Limited Restructuring"

  66. I know I could google it but... by baenpb · · Score: 1

    but what does Yahoo even *do* these days? I don't remember using a Yahoo product since...Middle school?

  67. Re:Women CEO's. by vandamme · · Score: 1

    "She received 456,169 votes for 0.36% in the election, making her the most successful female presidential candidate in U.S. history."

    And her name is easy to spell when you write it in.

  68. Re:Women CEO's. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    Until the Republicans stop their anti-science, party of stupid and mean rhetoric, no thinking person should take them seriously. And certainly don't vote for them! Anyone, even Hillary, is better than them. I'm not saying they don't have their points, or that the Democrats don't have big problems of their own, but they've really screwed up in recent decades.

    The War of Choice was one of the stupidest and meanest actions performed in decades. We haven't done anything that dumb since Vietnam. Cost a great deal of lives, and cost us a lot of money and credibility. Their thinking that Iraq would happily turn into a prosperous democracy as soon as Saddam was gone, was shown to be a particularly naive fantasy. For that alone, they deserve a long sit out. But there's so much more. Why this denialism on Climate Change? Who really benefits from that? Oil companies, of course. Even the saner pro-business wing of the party royally screwed up, as the gross mishandling of Wall Street shows. They did the equivalent of sending the referees home, because the players could be trusted to obey the rules of the game. How unbelievably stupid is that? With deregulation in full force, the players of course cheated massively, and caused the Great Recession. Before that crash there was even talk of privatizing Social Security. With eagle-eyed hindsight, we can be very, very glad that didn't happen. The primary victims of the market collapse were pension and retirement funds. The banksters wanted to get their claws on the vast savings piled up in Social Security only so they could keep the bubble going a little longer.

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