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Bill To Require Vaccination of Children Advances In California
mpicpp sends the latest news on California legislation that would eliminate exemptions for vaccinating school children. A bill that would require nearly all children in California to be vaccinated by eliminating "personal belief" exemptions advanced through the State Legislature on Wednesday, though it still has several hurdles to clear. If approved, California would become one of only three states that require all parents to vaccinate their children as a condition of going to school, unless there is a medical reason not to do so. Under the bill, introduced after a measles outbreak that began at Disneyland, parents who refuse vaccines for philosophical or religious reasons would have to educate their children at home. The legislation prompted a roiling debate in Sacramento, and last week hundreds of people protested at the Capitol, arguing that it infringed on their rights and that it would unfairly shut their children out of schools. Last Wednesday, the legislation stalled in the Senate Education Committee as lawmakers said they were concerned that too many students would be forced into home schooling. This Wednesday, however, the bill passed that committee after its authors tweaked it, adding amendments that would expand the definition of home schooling to allow multiple families to join together to teach their children or participate in independent study programs run by public school systems.
It's also my choice to give loaded handguns to my 3 year old, because freedom and all that stuff.
Australia has just instituted a policy that if you child is unvaxinated you lose any and all child support and wellfare. Dependent on your income this can be as much as $15k per child per year. This has happened as a response to whooping cough and measles outbreaks because of stupid anti-vax people.
The point is to have enough people inoculated such that herd immunity takes effect. There will always be a few people that can't take the vaccine. As long as they are few, the rest are safe.
"Who are you?" "No one of consequence." "I must know." "Get used to disappointment."
Hmm, remember the measles outbreak earlier this year?
Remember how many children died during the outbreak?
Remember how many people got measles in spite of their vaccinations?
Wait, never mind, the 147 people out of 330 MILLION who got measles included noone who had gotten the vaccine, and NOONE died.
Since far more people died on the highways during that measles outbreak than even got measles, much less died of it, I suspect strongly that we could find better things to do than waste time fighting over this in the courts.
And yes, this will be fought over in court. All the way to the Supreme Court...and end up costing CA far more (even if they win) then the measles outbreak cost them....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Vaccination without consent is an assault. There is NO OTHER way to describe it.
Except that it is not happening. If you don't want your kids vaccinated, then that is your choice. Have at it. You just can't send them to school where other kids are endangered by your choice.
Actually it is - that's the whole point of herd immunity and was always the intention of vaccination programs sorry you might not like it, just like you don't like paying taxes.
Yeah, because no-one every dies from measels. The person who dies every 4 minutes from measels doesn't count.
Source:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre...
145,700 deaths from measels in 2013, one every 3 minutes and 45 seconds.
in 1980, before mass vaccinations it was killing 2.6 million per year
Actually, you don't have the right to spread germs around willy-nilly because you don't feel like taking basic precautions. Look up the tale of Typhoid Mary. Despite being a carrier of Typhoid, she refused to take basic steps to stop spreading the disease (since she didn't agree with those steps). After people died, she was locked up so she couldn't infect anyone else.
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Because not all can be vaccinated. How many times does this need to be explained. Your choice not to vaccinate put's others at risk. It is not just a choice for your family, but for the immuno-compromised and the very young in our society as well. We all rely on the herd immunity and if you compromise it your choice then affects others and your rights end when they start harming others.
I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
That's not what the proposed law requires. Are you purposefully creating a straw-man here, or do you genuinely not understand? No one will be forced to be vaccinated. If you want to participate in our social education system, then you must vaccinate or have a legitimate, non-kooky reason for it. If you electively choose not to vaccinate, then fine, but you must find some other way to educate your kids that doesn't risk the health of others. No forced vaccinations, here.
Know how I know you don't have a clue what you're talking about?
Besides the obviously ignorant use of the word "commie" that is.
California, that liberal hellhole, only had a budget mess because after a shortfall became apparent (caued by the recession), the minority GOP in the state legislature filibustered any tax increases. The only things they allowed through were spending cuts. But as we've seen repeatedly in places like Kansas and Europe, spending cuts to safety net programs in the middle of a recession only make matters WORSE not better.
By the way, their budget is balanced now, thanks largely to finally tax increases through after kicking out a bunch of republicans from the legislature (which itself only occurred because redistricting was finally taken away from the legislature and put in the hands of an independent citizen commission who undid a lot of gerrymandering.).
As for water:
1) they can't control the weather. So when they only get 5% of the usual snowpack this year, even lower than last years 20% (1inch of water, vs 4inches in 2014), there's not much they can do.
2) the water rights are controlled by farm interests which rural conservative folks and big businesses, who hold a lot of sway in the legislature....not exactly your "commie".
Oh wait, you did know California is actually a purple state right? And its rural populace, as well as a fair number of its tech moguls, would make the folks in Texas blush with how conservative they are? No, you probably didn't know that.
After all, you think they cant do anything right, even though they have the largest economy in the country as the same time as having one of the best safety nets for low income and minority citizens in the nation, and buoyed their populace through the recession better than most states. Heck, you probably don't even know that one reason for Texas's success is it -also- has decent (as far as Red controlled Purple states go) safety nets for folks.
Bugger off loon.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Don't be obtuse. Overwhelming majority of vaccines are well out of patent protection date and as such exceptionally cheap. As a result, instead of "big pharma", they're typically produced by copy drug makers around the world, both large and small.