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Microsoft, Chip Makers Working On Hardware DRM For Windows 10 PCs
writertype writes: Last month, Microsoft began talking about PlayReady 3.0, which adds hardware DRM to secure 4K movies. Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and Qualcomm are all building it in, according to Microsoft. "Older generations of PCs used software-based DRM technology. The new hardware-based technology will know who you are, what rights your PC has, and won’t ever allow your PC to unlock the content so it can be ripped. ... Unfortunately, it looks like the advent of PlayReady 3.0 could leave older PCs in the lurch. Previous PlayReady technology secured content up to 1080p resolution using software DRM—and that could be the maximum resolution for older PCs without PlayReady 3.0." Years back, a number of people got upset when Hollywood talked about locking down "our content." It looks like we may be facing it again for 4K video.
Whatever they design, it'll be broken fairly easily and circumvented just like DVD and Blu-ray and every other DRM format. This is just keeping the plebs from making easy copies.
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And why would anyone willingly submit themselves to this abuse? I absolutely will not be adding hardware that only serves the purpose of limiting what I can do with my PC.
What they're saying is "If you want to enjoy your content unencumbered, it's probably best to just pirate it."
Once it's cracked, it's cracked.
Reminds me of the blu ray DRM that made them unsuitable for linux.
Result, no blu ray here.
Not even when the player got cheap and linux supported it.
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You know the content will still be uploaded to thepiratebay literally within seconds of release (or sometimes before... thanks, anonymous GoT leaker!), right? And everyone who wants to pirate it will just do that still? So this is only going to hurt, or at least vaguely annoy, people who weren't going to pirate it anyway?
So, it will be totally impossible to create software to decrypt these video streams? They now have an algorithm which can be implemented in hardware, but not in software? Yeah, right...
... stop buying from it. Even if I have to live in Archive.org.
Play the video repeatedly, using a hi-res camera to focus on a different rectangle of the screen each time. Use the zoomed images to calculate the actual pixel value (since you'll most often have each part of the sensor picking up parts of each pixel and dark space, so you're doing a reverse sub-sampling). Stitch them all together.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Other considerations aside, this alone makes the scheme DOA.
The video is compressed. It needs to be decompressed for playback. This can only be done by the processor. This means a vital link in the chain is software - and therein lies the weakness.
If you read the article, they give stats on this, but I don't understand them because they seem to contradict themselves:
According to Parks Associates, 68 percent of all American households watch streaming video on PCs, with about 53 percent of all streaming video consumed on computers. But many, many more have given up the PC to watch movies on connected TVs: 89 percent, Parks says.
So...53% of all streaming video is on computers and 89% is on TVs instead?
Other statistics I've seen corroborate the PC thing, even if that surprises you. I don't know where that 89% number comes from or what it refers to. Maybe people's future plans?
Make it too hard and the kids will go out and play.. and shock, horror, confusion!.. discover there are better things to do than watch the same movie they saw at a theatre for ten times the cost, fifty times over.. its kind of like a drug.. watching re-runs.. but once its purged from your system.. its also like getting over bad food posioning.. you just don't go back.
Those that do.. just don't reproduce.. and then they're purged from the gene pool.
I disagree as far as professional (or consumer since my GoPro does 4K at 30 fps.) videography, there are editing reasons to use 4K.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I bet that "53% streaming video" includes youtube cat videos and whatever, but the 89% on connected TVs is for watching movies. Then there's no contradiction between them.
You don't understand the difference between "streaming video" and "movies"? ...?
Like, the former including things like TV series, YT, twitch,
> So what are all those users of Plex, Xbmc, and MediaPortal running on then?
They're such a small and geeky part of the PC market that Linux no longer seems obscure anymore.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I'm sure MS etc knows this can't possibly work. So they're doing this to placate the movie studios by doing something that the studios think will work even though it can't possibly work.
All that has to happen is ONE person has to break the DRM and then convert the movie or whatever into some other DRM free format and then that format is passed around the internet.
Look at all the crap on the pirate channels and it is all DRM free. And nearly all of it had DRM on it at some point. It was stripped off.
Now they say here that this is Hardware DRM. But that's bullshit. Some aspect of it is going to be software and that is where the cracker is going to break it.
So yeah. Headline should read "Movie Studios still don't understand how computers work."
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Audio-based watermarking that survives a variety of attempts to process it, and even overcomes being recorded second-hand. ...and yet, all it requires is somebody digging into a Blu-ray player's firmware to determine the detection algorithm.
There are claims by products $$$$ that it has been cracked, but all of those methods involve a database for specific films to apply their "fix".
I am so sick of this fucking bullshit.
Hiya. The apparently lone PC movie watcher here. That's just about all I do. I recently had my faithful Panasonic DVD player from ~2002 break, needed a replacement. The Sony piece of junk is a pain to try to use. Takes for ever to come up and forces me to wade through most of the beginning junk to get to the movie. VLC on my laptop is now about the only way I watch movies at home.
And I will never get a Smart TV, or if I do it will NOT be connected to any network anything.
Now get off my yard!
They might become necessary to do any real GP computing in the near future!
Here's hoping mine doesn't let the magic smoke out any time soon.
I'm really really starting to think the DRM industry is the ones pushing this crap forward. It just doesn't even make sense to anyone but the people peddling this junk. Consumers don't want it. Producers want to sell stuff, so they shouldn't want it either, because consumers don't.
Ditto for 24/96 and 24/192 audio. Too bad that Neil Young doesn't understand the concept that the purpose of higher resolution sources is to reduce artefacts during editing/mixing, and thinks that we need to carry around lossless high-resolution audio on dedicated player hardware.
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More junk to get in the way of legitimate consumers while the pirates find ways to bypass this within 5 minutes!
What you said makes sense, but wasn't obvious contextually because they were talking about movies before and after. Now I get it.
Although I think TV series should be bucketed with movies as far as DRM goes.
but every single crack and hack has been because the hardware manufactures cut corners because the hardware wasn't fast enough. It gets faster every year ya know? Maybe this won't be the year, but give it 5, 10 more and it'll be cheaper to secure the content than not.
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Sure you can, but you need additional hardware for this. Because you need to do it between GPU and screen. You will not have access to decoded stream from software, this is the main point of this DRM.
Microsoft have been pushing this for over ten years. I remember a Microsoft talk in 2001 where they told us they wanted hardware DRM in graphics cards to beat the evil pirates.
Now, when Windows has become almost irrelevant, particularly as a media consumption platform, they've finally achieved their goal. Microsoft FTW!
Sure you can. But remember, from the TFS: "The new hardware-based technology will know who you are". Watermarking has been used for a long time in the content industry. A unique watermarking signal will be included in the final, visual output, traceable back to the source. Invisible to the human eye, hidden inside the hardware blackbox. To make policing easier, they could also mandate registration of your "playback device" with a central licensing authority as part of whatever new standard this will be pushed as.
If you want to go all-out paranoid, remote-access and hardware-based authentication for online banking is already moving into chipset and CPU. That could possibly help identifying and tracking down crackers. Tracking physical media at the point of sale is another long shot. Today it is mandatory for stores in Sweden to inform a special collecting agency (for Public Service television) whenever someone buys a television, for example.
Also recording and applying audio effects (reverb, etc) at high sample rates allows several advantages.
Some of which are covered here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Now try it ten feet away from a 120" projector screen. (Or 2 feet away from a 24" monitor, which is the same relative size.)
No, these aren't mutually exclusive. People watch movies/video on both devices. It's just connected TVs are more popular.
Your problem is that you bought a Sony instead of (like I did) an el-cheapo DVD player out of China that doesn't have any of the extra crap the Sony does getting in the way.
Folks like you said that about digital music, too. And yet, pretty much all music is sold without DRM these days.
Also your display is going to need to be replaced.
The linux / ESXI sever market is to big to cut off with locked down firmware.
At the least a selling point to investors, No mention of the TPM chip. I bought my motherboards due to their lack of a TPM chip http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... (it's Hardware, it's a damn chip).
Now it's almost certain your new motherboard has a TPM chip installed. It's bloody overkill, the difference (I see) between PlayReady and the TPM chips are the availability and path the keys take.
To Quote Wikipedia:
"Almost any encryption-enabled application can, in theory, make use of a TPM, including:
digital rights management
protection and enforcement of software licenses.
prevention of cheating in online games.
If the GPU is doing the decoding then you just record frame buffer.
Drivers signed by Microsoft for use with "premium" video are already supposed to disable the API calls needed to record frame buffer when a video is playing through Protected Video Path.
They are not even trying to compete with the major torrent trackers/piracy sites anymore. Instead of massively reducing pricing and DRM the media industry is putting up even more hurdles. If I buy a movie, I want to be able to play it on any device I own, at any time I want, and I want the right to make backup. Also I need to be able to downconvert it to lower resolutions to play it on lowlier devices. Nothing that is possible with DRM-infested media, and all of that is possible with pirated movies. They finally need to understand that piracy will stay, and treat it as competion.
So I won't buy it then. Fine! Haven't bought any film or video in ages. Modern content just doesn't interest me enough. Think I've outgrown motion pictures. Can recall only a handful made in the last 10 years that I actually enjoyed watching on tv.
Hell, I remember when the argument was that HD sucks (particularly for porn, but also in general) because you could easily see skin imperfections, the cheap props used in Star Trek, etc. Too much detail was supposedly ruining things... but now the argument is the exact opposite? And some people have even started pulling pseudo-scientific charts out of their asses showing the supposed screen sizes and viewing distances at which different resolutions become indistinguishable (the first thing you notice is the proscribed viewing distances are completely insane, like 11+ feet for a modest screen size.)
My current theory about all of this is that the compression used in online streaming video has you all extremely confused. Or possibly it's because most LCD screens still tend to look weird and indescribably shitty compared to 1080i CRT or 1080p plasma. Or perhaps the upscaling algorithms have become too good--to claim that 4k or HD is a waste, you have to compare 480p native to 1080p native, not 1080p (480p upscaled) to 1080p native.
High bitrate 1080p at 34" should be appear as an instant and impressive improvement over high bitrate, non-upscaled 480p even at 10 feet.
Sitting six feet away from a 37" 1080p TV set to 720p in Windows (otherwise I can't even read the small text), I can watch a 480p video without feeling like I'm losing anything.
Please find an ophthalmologist before it's too late. That goes for everyone who modded this up, too.
A case can possibly be made for lossless, especially for complex music. A fan of Meshuggah can usually tell the difference between lossy compressed and lossless versions of their tracks. However, even a good mp3 compression algorithm at decent bitrate is so good it's very hard to beat chance in an ABX test.
As to 24 bits and any sample rate over 60kHz? Only useful for trying to blow up stereo systems and turning people deaf. The dynamic range of 16 bits alone is more than a healthy, young human can make use of outside the laboratory (or even for the most part inside it) and is much, much higher than that of any music. And if there is magical information hiding above around 20kHz, we simply can't hear it - or see it with any existing measurement tools, which means we can't record it either.
Have you reported inability to adjust the game's font size and failure to respect system font size as defects to the game's publisher? If so, what was the reply? If "too bad", what was the publisher so we can avoid buying its games?
Does the music/games/film industry not realize that with such protections, they will be handing over total control of their customer base to a mediocre software vendor out of Redmond WA, run by an ethically challenged vulgarian.