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Debian 8 Jessie Released
linuxscreenshot writes: After almost 24 months of constant development, the Debian project is proud to present its new stable version 8 (code name Jessie), which will be supported for the next five years thanks to the combined work of the Debian Security team and the Debian Long Term Support team. (Release notes.) Jessie ships with a new default init system, systemd. The systemd suite provides features such as faster boot times, cgroups for services, and the possibility of isolating part of the services. The sysvinit init system is still available in Jessie. Screenshots and a screencast are available.
Sam for me. Evince was one of the last gnome applications I was still using but after a recent upgrade, I discovered that the UI was redesigned and was mostly useless. I tried various alternative pdf viewers and I discovered Zathura. No UI there. Everything is done via keyboard shortcuts but its fast and the mouse is only used for copying, to follow links (double click) and scrolling with the wheel. The keyboard shortcut seems mostly inspired from emacs and vi and they can be redefined.
I haven't seen any sign of that anywhere and I saw the opposite on a eeepc by about half a minute when I put a newer distro with systemd on it. Is there any proof or are the faster boot times just on the wish list?
You mean untested, unaudited code that is forced into production environments? Code that has full network access as root?
We went through this song and dance in the 1990s with sendmail that had multiple security holes in it, be it remote root or local priv escalation. The stakes are quite high these days... are the distro maintainers confident that they are doing their best to provide security for their customers?
I'd question that. No systemd based distro has been certified with EAL, FIPS, or Common Criteria yet.
"...but only 394 votes ultimately decided Pluto's fate: 237 in favor of demoting the planet and 157 against."
1 vote decided for the systemd takeover in debian.
There was a split 4-4 vote in the debian technical comittie.
Which was then tie-broken by the chair who just happened to be a rabid force-it-down-your-throght supporter.
Then there was a GR with 1 pro-systemd option and 3 or 4 anti-systemd options, so all the anti-systemd votes got split and diluted (together they would have defeated the systemders 60 to 40)
Fuck these people. SJW pieces of shit.
(Same type people banned marrying young girls everywhere, also look at planet.debian.org during the systemd debate: transgender this, women that, bla bla bla. fucking pieces of shit ruin everything good)
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The "bug" (RFP) has been tagged as "won't fix"
If you aren't a progressive, the debian people
do not want your software, they state this here
in more concise words:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi...
Opensource isn't about code anymore, it's
about community and beliving and professing
the correct thing. If you do not believe
the correct thing you are removed (example: Ted Walther)
or your software is attacked and removed from its
host (As gpcslots2 was in the past by feminists:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 )
How do you feel about this change?
https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
Don't get me wrong, I was a pretty loud critic. Right now I work on embedded ARM where most COM vendors are still - in 2015 - selling brand new kit which can barely run kernel 3.2, let alone 3.7 required for cgroups/systemd - most systemd fanatics try to tell me to compile from mainline kernel sources, which ignores the fact that these things are all one-of-a-kind once-off type systems where I'd have to port the shitty once-off BSP code which barely made it over the wall in the first place (which I have done - and took weeks on my last attempt, due to shitty quirky b0rked interrupts on the MMC interface for that board), not just "yolo, git pull && recompile dawg # to hell with re-certification and customer revalidation" that web hipsters seem to assume is the case.
But honestly, the technical committee in Debian were the ones we entrusted to make this kind of decision, so it's a meta-lesson in community participation. You can make all the RedHat conspiracies you want but at the end of the day the technical committee volunteers decided it was too much work (read: they didn't have the help like you or I around) to take on spinning a distro with the option to install without systemd.
So all I'm saying is that the Linux ecosystem is shit, but we have only ourselves to blame.