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Google Officially Discontinues Nexus 7 Tablet

An anonymous reader writes: Google's 7-inch tablet has disappeared from the Google Store, where a note in red type simply states that the device is no longer available for purchase. "The Nexus 7 was first released back in 2013, so it's fair to say it had a good run. The Android-based tablet received great reviews, but what really made it a long-term success was the fact that it was affordable and continually received updates from Google. Manufactured by Asus, the Nexus 7 was even treated to Android Lollipop, the latest version of the operating system, although not with bug-free results. The discontinuation shouldn't come as a big surprise, however, as Google pulled a similar move back in March with the Nexus 5 smartphone, not to mention the Nexus 9 tablet's release last fall."

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  1. "although not with bug-free results" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Google can't even make Lollipop work on its own hardware, how much of an endorsement is that for other manufacturers to put their efforts into Android? Clearly it's not because Google is underfunded.

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    1. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      It's working just fine on mine, though YMMV as they say.

      In other words...motherfucking Google! Must you kill everything I love!

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    2. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never seen a lollipop device that didn't have bad memory management (app restart) issues. They really dropped the ball with lollipop.

      Not to mention the new broken notifications system.

      Like a vapid valley girl, all Lollipop has going for it is its looks.

    3. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      The article was pretty poor.

      There were two Nexus 7 devices:
      1) The 2012 Nexus 7 (often referred to by its internal codename, grouper), using an NVidia Tegra3 chipset. This did get Lollipop, although it was kind of "meh", mostly with performance issues, showing that the hardware was getting a little on the old side. Google may have been trying to make up for the Galaxy Nexus getting dropped prematurely due to TI by keeping a different Nexus device supported for as long as absolutely possible. This device was discontinued in Summer 2013 when its successor was announced.
      2) The 2013 Nexus 7 (often referred to by its internal codename, flo), using a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro (APQ8064), pretty much the same as the Snapdragon 600 at a slightly lower clock speed. This runs Lollipop well due to newer hardware. This is the device that was just discontinued.

      grouper was always a bit "meh" - I don't know if it was the fault of Asus or NVidia, but Tegra3 tablets from Asus were always notorious for poor storage performance. I think other Tegra3 tablets had similar issues, but honestly - Asus was the largest Tegra3 customer by far thanks to grouper and the Transformer series of tablets, so it's hard to tell who was at fault.

      The fact that flo didn't have grouper's storage performance issues (same device manufacturer, different chip inside) indicates it was probably the Tegra3.

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    4. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by ThaumaTechnician · · Score: 5, Informative

      Came here to say the same thing. It's slow/unusable on the original Nexus 7, but on the 2013 version, it's fine.

    5. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Right. Android Lollipop was the only OS ever fielded that had bugs.

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    6. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2) The 2013 Nexus 7 (often referred to by its internal codename, flo), using a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro (APQ8064), pretty much the same as the Snapdragon 600 at a slightly lower clock speed. This runs Lollipop well due to newer hardware. This is the device that was just discontinued.

      Well, it runs 5.1 well. Many users, including myself, had problems with 5.0 on the Nexus 7 2nd. I had it murder the battery for no reason, and it was generally chunky and unresponsive. 5.1 seems to have solved that, though.

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    7. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I disagree. Grouper was pretty much THE tablet to have when it was new. It was cheap, worked well, and kind of established/dominated the 7" space. It was the perfectly-sized tablet that along with the Nook Tablet broke Jobs' claim that they had tested the 7" tablet and no one wanted it. (The iPad mini would have not happened if not for Grouper's success.)

      Grouper was a huge success for Google- I never tried running lollipop on it, but Kitkat ran perfectly, at least Cyanogenmod's version did.

    8. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Whereas 5.0 was fine for me, but 5.1 seems to be a clunker. The Kindle app, for example, now likes to hang up so I have to kill it.

    9. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by AmIAnAi · · Score: 1

      The original comment addresses problems seen with Google's own hardware, not some obscure budget tablet that Google never tested against. Yes you expect bugs with new operating system releases, but even after the 5.1 update the first generation Nexus 7 remains sluggish and often virtually unusable within half an hour of a reboot (I've tried the trick of clearing the cache partition, more than once). Google should have spotted this problem during testing before release, and either withheld the update from the 1st generation Nexus or resolved the issue promptly with 5.1.

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    10. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The Kindle app, for example, now likes to hang up so I have to kill it.

      Amazon is probably doing something bad and stupid as usual. I had to remove their store app from my devices because it made them unusable. All of them. Locks, hangs, FCs, even in other apps. Amazon can't code their way out of a nutsack. You can see this in their site, too. They break it every few months.

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    11. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Hay Google, how are all those H1B's working for ya? Need some help? LOL

    12. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by LifesABeach · · Score: 0

      It couldn't be an H1B problem, could it?

    13. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by NeoNormal · · Score: 2

      It's working just fine on mine, though YMMV as they say.

      In other words...motherfucking Google! Must you kill everything I love!

      Agreed. I love my Nexus 7... I don't have a smart phone, my tablet is my portal. Google has ADD.

    14. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by dubbayu_d_40 · · Score: 2

      Here's a trick to getting it somewhat useable. Disable auto-rotation. Then go to the Google keyboard settings. Change the theme and in gesture typing, disable dynamic floating preview.

    15. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Fusen · · Score: 1

      I have a 2013 Nexus 7 and a Nexus 5 both on Lollipop and I don't have any issues on either. I've read other loud people who have issues but thankfully so far I've been fine, and I use my phone every day and my tablet most evenings.

    16. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      It does work just fine, you have to do a full wipe on it. Many users whined and refused to. they suffer bugs.

      Wipe it, then go along re installing apps. DO NOT restore it, just let things come back from the holy google cloud.

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    17. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by highvista63 · · Score: 1

      I also had issues with 5.0.2 causing abnormally high battery drain on my Nexus 7 2013 Wi-Fi 32GB. Since upgrading to 5.1, this is no longer an issue. 5.1 has been doing well for me, in general.

    18. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      Even KitKat 4.4 can be atrocious on my original Nexus7. Though I've found thing that helps tremendously, at least for a while, is an app called "Lag Fix", which defrags the memory apparently.

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    19. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google killed your tablet? I doubt that. Sounds more like they officially stopped selling a two year old product.

    20. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by samwichse · · Score: 2

      I thought LagFix just executed an SSD TRIM.

    21. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was an early adopter and the N7 was a massive POS. I won't be buying Google hardware ever again. Keep your eyes on what you're good at Google - as a device-maker you suck.

    22. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So was I. Bought two Nexus 7 tablets when they first came out and they were worthless paperweights a year later. They both stopped charging at around the same time.

      ASUS is a manufacturer of complete garbage and Google will slap their name on anything without any quality control.

    23. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Wipe it, then go along re installing apps. DO NOT restore it, just let things come back from the holy google cloud.

      Since when did Android do automatic backups of all your app data? Not just the apps -- the actual data.

    24. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I'm sticking with 4.4. Upgrades are optional.

      Just bought a new Nexus 7 last month. It may be an old model at this point, but it is still the best tablet under $200. Nothing else was even good enough to get serious consideration.

    25. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      My bad. I probably mischaracterized it, but that was based on someone else's description of what it does.
      I know that it helps though, at least for a couple of weeks or more.

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    26. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Actually I got that from the description in the app itself.
      Lag Fix says, when you run it, that "Every memory chip require trimming in one way or another, it's like defragmentation for hard drives." So I guess more similar in results than actual execution.

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    27. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      ASUS built it, but unlike cowards with nothing but wishy-washy negative language, I know it is quality hardware.

      One of the great things, this was true of the original, is the balance; I dropped this thing out of my shirt pocket over 30 times. It landed flat every... single... time. No damage.

      Also, since it is not locked down I don't have play games to get control, or worry I'll lose control later. GPS performance is great, I've used hundreds of hours in the forest, often in wet weather. (mushroom foraging)

      The original had a sucky front-facing camera and no back camera. But that isn't worth complaint because you know that before you buy it and was a cost/price issue.

    28. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      If some anonymous person claims a rare, unlikely hardware fault, my thinking is, that is possible but not a real concern since others don't report the same problem.

      When that coward claims to have had a rare problem twice, I'm assuming either they used some sort of third party battery over-charger, or else they're just full of shit.

      And really, if all we know is that it "stopped charging," you probably torqued the plug until it was loose, and could just bend the housing back and get it working again.

      I did have to re-solder a headphone jack, but that was only after yanking on the cord a bunch of times like a brute. Unlike many devices, the repair was accessible. If I didn't know how to fix it, the whole audio module was easily removed for replacement. A+ design there.

    29. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when you told it to on setup. and only the apps that support it. Sorry you will lose all your progress in Fruit Ninja.

    30. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, look everyone it's a "I've never had that problem so it doesn't exist" response.

      If some anonymous person claims a rare, unlikely hardware fault

      Except it's not rare. Many people had the exact same problem. Try getting out of your cave once in a while.

      And really, if all we know is that it "stopped charging," you probably torqued the plug until it was loose

      Nope. Replaced the cable, the charger and the battery with stock OEM hardware with no result.

      This ain't the 90s any more. ASUS has been shit for years and they keep getting worse. Shortly after my Nexus 7 tablets stopped charging, my high-end ASUS laptop also developed hardware problems with the display.

    31. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Pow · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but Nexus 7 slow charging is anything but a rare problem. Run a search maybe? Google doesn't care. It's not charger problem and it's not a cable problem. The problem is either software or charger circuit. I just don't have time to hack this POS hardware, software to get it working.

      I also have the charging problem on my original Nexus 7 as well as other headaches -- no TRIM support with encrypted partitions, super slow. Not really using that Google garbage anymore. Bought iPad Mini with retina and never looked back. I guess I'm too old for this hacking shit to get it working.

      It's not just Nexus 7. Google seems to fuck up everytime they do a software update. I also have Nexus 4 and after 5.1 OTA upgrade device displayed error and was bricked. Not an issue for me as I can just go and install factory image wia fastboot but I did a search and a lot of users are hitting this issue and they don't know anything about fastboot or installng android sdk just to fix Googles failure to QA crap they are releasing.

      Wi-Fi stopped reconnecting in sleep mode since 5.0 on my Nexus 4. It just seems that Google keeps breaking functionality with every update.
      I actually opened an issue in their tracker for this as it kinda is important for me https://code.google.com/p/andr...
      I'd go back to 4.4.4 but of course they had to make encrypted data partition backwards incompatible.

      I'm not buying an Android device ever again.

    32. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Came here to say the same thing.
      It's slow/unusable on the original Nexus 7, but on the 2013 version, it's fine.

      Somewhat confused here. The summary says the Nexus 7 was first released in 2013, but you're implying the 2013 he a new edition and there was an earlier Nexus 7 tablet?

    33. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Nevermind. I see someone else explained it in a lower post.

    34. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      It was a little rocky start but now, after a few updates, it works flawlessly on mine.

      To bad about being discontinued but all things come to an end. It's a damn good tablet, I expect to get a few more years of use out of mine.

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    35. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Which means it's now on the long slow slide into obsolescence. I figure it's good for software updates for maybe another 12 months, after that it's just a matter of time until some software I need / want requires an OS version the tablet can't support.

      The tablet has an earlier version in 2012, and a refresh in 2013 which was a major update in terms of the hardware. It's basically being retired after only 2-3 years, which is a shame, since it's quite a decent little tablet - the 2013 refresh at least is.

      I expect it will still give me a couple more years of happy service in any case, and since that meets my "five year lifetime" criteria for buying, I'm still relatively happy.

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    36. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      If Google can't even make Lollipop work on its own hardware, how much of an endorsement is that for other manufacturers to put their efforts into Android? Clearly it's not because Google is underfunded.

      I don't buy Google stuff (Android, and other). My view is that Google is just testing the market for products, and that their view is "your purchase is disposable, even if it cost you a couple of hundred dollars. You can expect your tablet hardware to last 5 years, but not our support.

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    37. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The original Nexus 7 had a hardware Achilles heel: the charging port was very weak. To make matters worse, the replacement part to fix it cost about $50 until Chinese sources got around to cloning them. Aside from that it was a decent piece of hardware, though like all Android devices with only 1GB RAM it started to get bogged down as both the system and the apps got larger over time. The Facebook app is a prime offender; it runs all the time and uses around 100MB all by itself. Lollipop 5.0 was especially bad; 5.1 is much better and seems to be a bit of an improvement over KitKat.

      One good solution was to buy the dock. I got one after they were discontinued, on clearance for about $20.

    38. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, someone recommended the dock to me before, but they're selling for $150 now. For that price I could get a brand new, non-ASUS, non-Google tablet, which is what I did.

      I'll probably just film the Nexus 7 tablets being horribly destroyed and try to recoup a bit of the money I wasted on them with YouTube monetization.

    39. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a Googler or what? The 2012 nexus 7 has perfectly capable hardware. If it had been made by Apple it would run iOS8 just fine.
      Google has failed every single project ever since search. They release late and inferior product after late and inferior product. YouTube wasn't even theirs.
      FD short Google and would short more if I had more money.

    40. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was definitely something screwy with the storage on quite a lot of the 1st gen N7s. I don't think it was related to the Tegra 3 SoC myself, but I do know the performance of the storage went to crap over time on mine (and this seems to have been a fairly common complaint from reading forums), I think they were using two different suppliers for the flash on that model from the start, so maybe this problem only affected half of the units shipped in the first 6 months until the problem was fixed (I'm guessing on the numbers here, it may not have been an even split and they may have been making devices with that issue for longer than 6 months).

      What worked for a while for me to fix the storage issue was reformatting the storage to use the F2FS filesystem and flashing a custom ROM that supports F2FS, it went back to like new performance for a while, that was until I ended up completely filling the storage with video files, which made it perform like crap again, freeing up several gigabytes of storage brought back some performance, and it is usable but not great and its ok so long as I stick to doing one or maybe two things at a time on it, but won't handle proper multitasking.

    41. Re:"although not with bug-free results" by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Notice the difference between, "one guy with a problem not widely reported" and "I've never heard of it so it doesn't exist?"

      I mean, if you can't disagree with what I said, just make something up to disagree with, right? LOL haters gotta hate I guess

      BTW, hating a company harder doesn't change what hardware they manufacture. Reviews are widely available. Your anonymous review says nasty stuff; the ones from reputable sources say other, different things.

      Also, if ASUS sucked for years and then you bought their tablet after having that experience, only to be totally shocked that it was the low quality you expected, it would not lead to the review you give here. It would be a different review. Your review doesn't seem consistent with your claimed facts. It was not the cheapest tablet, so if you thought they were so bad, you wouldn't have chosen them.

      There are no widespread reports of tablets just "stopping" charging. For one person to claim it happened 2 times, well, there are ways to consistently damage batteries, for example aftermarket products that claim to give you extra battery life. If if it was somebody claiming it happened to them once, that is totally believable. Some electronic devices will die earlier than expected. It is just the nature of manufacturing. But that is very different than claiming a specific manufacturing fault that repeatedly causes a very specific problem, like batteries totally dead and not charging. That sort of manufacturing fault would actually be widely reported, and show up in reviews.

      We can't know what did or didn't happen in one case, but we actually can know if a particular problem is frequent and caused by poor build quality.

  2. Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I purchased a 2nd gen Nexus 7 in late 2013 after it became available. I loved it. It was very affordable. The performance, graphics, and battery uses was amazing. Using a purer version of Android was nice. Integration with the play store, etc, was great.
    The build quality however.... some of the plastic trip was cracking off the side. But that's ok, that showed that I used it daily.

    What WAS very disappointing was that the device lasted just over a 1 year, around 14 months. *14* fucking months. One bad charging episode and the device would not longer charge. I contacted google and asus, and to my surprise, asked that I send it for evaluation. I was then presented with the option to fix ("the mainboard needs to be replaced").I was contemplating buying a similarly refurbished tablet but didn't want to be let down again.
    When I realized that my 2009 ipad2 was still being used daily (albeit with lack of updates not as secure and running slowly) I realized that you can't beat apple hardware longevity, and went with a ipad mini2, and never looked back.

    Good bye google android tablet.

    1. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by slaker · · Score: 1

      I have a Motorola Xoom that's probably four years old. It's running KitKat now. I had to update the firmware myself, since the last official update it got was for 4.1, but I even have the option to move to 5.0 if I wanted to do so. I also have a Galaxy Tab 8.9 of similar vintage that's completely fine at its advanced age, though I did take the time to replace its battery a few weeks ago.
        I'm not sure I understand what issues are preventing the Nexus 7 from being a decent Lollipop device, but my Nexus also became significantly worse even after a fresh OS install of Android 5.0. Apple doesn't have a patent on decent hardware. It simply appears that a deliberately low-cost, high capability Asus device might've had to cut some corners in the quality control department.

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    2. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, the only problem with a Xoom is that tablets have gotten so thin and light now, it's heavier than my laptop (and now you can get laptops for cheaper than you could get a Xoom back then). Otherwise, it's pretty much immortal.

    3. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I realized that my 2009 ipad2 was still being used daily (albeit with lack of updates not as secure and running slowly) I realized that you can't beat apple hardware longevity.

      Your "2009" iPad 2 was released in March 2011, so it's not quite as old as you think. ;)

    4. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Xest · · Score: 1

      There's always someone that gets a lemon though, you can't judge an entire range with a single anecdote, you need a larger data set. To highlight the point that you can't judge the whole on one case I can simply counteract with my anecdote; I've knocked my Nexus 7 off a table directly onto a solid stone floor. I expected a smashed screen and broken innards, but it didn't even get a scratch and still works fine one year on.

      My partner's iPad (also an iPad 2, though doesn't go back to 2009, I don't think they were out then) in contrast just started randomly freezing recently, though it is at least about 3 or 4 years old now I believe so I don't really feel too bad about it given it's age (and the fact she won it so didn't cost us anything anyway).

      I'm not here to defend Google, god only knows they cut off support for my Galaxy Nexus after less than 15 months of it being available in the UK market which is a wholly unacceptable way to treat customers, and as such I too wouldn't buy another Google branded device. But I don't think it's fair to say the Nexus 7 is an inherently unreliable device as mine has been sturdy and reliable since I got it (I got mine in 2012, no idea where the 2013 in the summary comes from, maybe the version refresh?).

    5. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, my first gen (2012) N7 (sorry summary, you're full of shit) is still going strong with zero issues.

    6. Re: Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Older than the shitty nexus 7. And still runs better.

    7. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      And his 2011 iPad 2 runs the latest version of iOS....

      http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/02/...

    8. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I dropped my N7-2012 an insane number of times. Whenever it fell out of a pocket, it did a backflip and landed flat, unharmed. Every single time. Knocking off tables was the same deal... tumble, tumble, *slap*! I did finally knock it out of a laundry basket onto a sidewalk, and it didn't have a chance to flip at that angle, because when it slides off a curved surface it can't do the backflip balance tricks. So then it finally hit direct and smashed the corner bad.

      OTOH even then, since everything is accessible I could order the part and put a new touchscreen on for ~$65.

    9. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got mine in 2012, no idea where the 2013 in the summary comes from, maybe the version refresh?

      The "Nexus 7" is actually 2 different tablets. The 2012 version is based on the Nvidia Tegra 3 chip. The 2013 version is based on a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro.

    10. Re:Good bye ( and not good buy) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 2011 iPad2 sucks... It's so slow on latest os.

  3. No mention of iPad in the summary? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    As I remember it, the Nexus 7 was part of a strategic campaign by Google to ensure that "tablet" didn't mean "iPad" by introducing a high-quality Android device supported by Google itself to the masses. Now that that mission's largely been accomplished (e.g., if you're just looking for a tablet to browse the Internet and run a couple of simple apps, would you really shell out the extra money buy an iPod?) and there are many high-quality Android tablet alternatives in every form factor imaginable, the Nexus 7 isn't needed so much.

    1. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "run a couple of simple apps"

      I paid the wifi only tablet, used it for gaming (dead trigger, etc) and development to great success. Well worth the money ($199) which also supported well beyond just a couple of simple apps.

    2. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      there are many high-quality Android tablet alternatives in every form factor imaginable, the Nexus 7 isn't needed so much.

      I just wish more manufacturers would not try to customize everything to the point where we have a Samsung Android and Moto Android and LG Android and... My last two Android phones one of the first things I did was find the Google Play Edition rom on XDA-Developers to remove all the bloat and crap, not to mention forced lock in to some apps.

    3. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're just looking for a tablet to browse the Internet and run a couple of simple apps, would you really shell out the extra money buy an [iPad]?

      Because they don't fall apart in a year?

    4. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      there are many high-quality Android tablet alternatives in every form factor imaginable, the Nexus 7 isn't needed so much

      I'll tell you why that's patently untrue.

      A Nexus 7 was essentially guaranteed to get the Google branded Android, with no customizations and other crap by the manufacturer.

      I don't care what Samsung or any other vendor has created in terms of their own stuff, their own store, and crap which is going to be unsupported or prevent me from getting updates.

      With Google dropping a Nexus 7, everything is now likely to be a version of Android in which someone has decided to add their own crap -- primarily with the intent of collecting ad revenue or their own store.

      I want none of this crap. I want a vanilla Android. Not the shit Samsung or any other vendor has foisted on it.

      A Nexus device means you will have proper support from Google. Not be stuck with whatever shit the marketing department somewhere else came up with.

      So now the question becomes when I want to replace my Nexus 7 if I buy a Nexus 9, or I buy a low end iPad.

      Because I have no interest whatsoever in a non-standard Android.

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    5. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      In some cases it's almost needed though. There is still no native support for displaying 2 apps at the same time on Android devices. That may not be such a big issue for phones and 7 inch tablets, but once you get into 10 inch tablets, the ability to continue watching your movie while you look something up on the web is a very nice feature to have. iPad suffers from the same problem. I have a Surface 2, and I love the fact that I can do 2 things at the same time makes it so much more useful. And there are now Windows tablets with full Windows OS from $100 to $2000 depending on what you want to spend and what your uses are. At this point, I fail to see any point in going with Android or iOS. For the price of the iPad, you can get the new Surface 3. Which will do everything the iPad can do, and a whole lot more. And it comes with a whole bunch more storage, and the ability to add more with a MicroSD card or even a USB 3 hard drive if you prefer. Just the simple ability to hook up a network drive and have it work in every app is a huge advantage.

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    6. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 1, Informative

      Why would you buy an iPad if you want vanilla Android?

    7. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A Nexus device means you will have proper support from Google.

      N4 and N7 updates lagged hard behind other devices. If you wanted quick updates you had to go to the community. Which brings us to our next point:

      So now the question becomes when I want to replace my Nexus 7 if I buy a Nexus 9, or I buy a low end iPad.
      Because I have no interest whatsoever in a non-standard Android.

      ...and are apparently unaware of third-party Android distributions for common devices. So long as you get something vaguely popular, someone will be rolling CyanogenMod and/or AOSP for your device, and you won't have to run whatever came from Google, which you don't want to run anyway. You want something with fixes applied.

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    8. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is that there still are not many Android tablets out there with the build quality of an iPad Air 2. The Android tablet manufacturers like Asus, Dell, and Samsung seem to focus more on lower price tablets than higher quality.

      I'd dare to say that Microsoft did a better job of making a competitive premium product to the iPad Air with their Surface and Surface Pro products. That might sound odd coming from someone who actually has an Nexus 7 and likes it. It's a nice tablet, but it's no iPad killer.

    9. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I had an iPad (first gen) until they "retired it" by upgrading it until it was useless, and then updating it no more.

      Then I had a vanilla Android Nexus 7 tablet, which I still use -- because it was a good price point to get with 32GB of storage.

      But if when this Android is due to be replaced I have to spend as much for a Nexus 9 as I would an iPad .. or if I have to buy a non-vanilla Android ... I might just go back to an iPad.

      I do not want something which isn't capable of running the latest Android or which has custom crap on it. Because I don't want to be stuck with something the vendor will abandon or otherwise make annoying to use.

      And suddenly a Nexus 9 is MUCH more expensive that a Nexus 7 was. Which is unsurprising, but might drive away customers who wanted a basic, Google branded Android.

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    10. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      .and are apparently unaware of third-party Android distributions for common devices

      I'm not unaware of them. I'm completely fucking uninterested. There is a huge difference.

      I don't want some device I have to build in a kit every couple of months. I'm beyond the point where I want to endlessly fiddle with technology. It's a waste of my time, and not something I do for fun.

      I want something supported out of the box by the manufacturer, with as long of a shelf life as possible, and I don't want to enrich some corporation who feels they should give me a separate store or otherwise annoy me with non-standard stuff.

      I have no interest in tracking my own CyanogemMod version, building it from a kit, hand bombing my install.

      I like vanilla Android out of the box. I've seen the junk Samsung and others put on, and I have no interest in it.

      But what I don't want is a device which is going to make more work for me.

      Maybe the nerdy kids or the people with no lives feel some fulfillment out of endlessly fucking with their devices. But I sure as hell don't.

      But I'll go back to Apple if the price points become similar. Only I'll go with a lower end device and treat it like it will only have a short lifespan. Especially if it means I know I'll have a device which isn't a pain in the ass to use.

      For me technology is tools, not something to derive endless pleasure from tweaking it.

      So, as usual, the open source solution of "yarg, just download this stuff, build this stuff, twiddle with this stuff" is advice that nobody else is interested in. I just want something which "just works" .. my original iPad did up to a point, and my Nexus 7 has so far.

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    11. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      I don't want some device I have to build in a kit every couple of months. I'm beyond the point where I want to endlessly fiddle with technology

      That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about installing a bootloader and using it to install a community-tested, community-developed replacement for the OS. Something you can't do on iOS, even when you need to, because Apple has shit it up.

      I have no interest in tracking my own CyanogemMod version, building it from a kit, hand bombing my install.

      So like I said, you have no idea what you're on about. You just download it and install it. You don't build anything.

      I like vanilla Android out of the box. I've seen the junk Samsung and others put on, and I have no interest in it.

      So again, like I said, you get a well-supported device and then you install AOSP (I'm running SOKP on my Moto G XT1063) and then you don't have to dick with it. Maybe eventually I'll check back to see if there's an update. Usually you can dirty flash those, so there's not much hassle involved.

      All you did was demonstrate your ignorance.

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    12. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Same here, working with the OpenGL 3.1. Using it to do social networking, and staying up with global ego events. There's nobody that I couldn't talk to or write to using my 2013 Nexus N7. I just can't figure out why the grinning smart asses at Google backed off? Did their H1B's flinch? Is hard work something new at Google?

    13. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, all you did is miss my point about how I'm uninterested in building my device from a kit.

      I don't want to buy it, root it download a new OS for it .... because I simply don't have any interest in it.

      Will this magical thing perform its own updates and provide a mechanism to keep it up to date?

      Sorry, the only "ignorance" I see here is you consistently suggesting I do exactly what I've already said I'm not interested in doing.

      Fucking open source people always think people are willing to jump through hoops to install this shit.

      What part of I don't want to fucking install a different OS on a device I've bought is beyond your comprehension here?

      By the time we're talking about rooting it, putting on a boot loader, and installing another OS ... we're well and truly into the "I don't want to play this stupid fucking game". And yet you keep saying it.

      I want a piece of consumer electronics, not some fucking make work hobby project.

      So why don't you get it through your head that my idea of fun is not having to manually be involved in maintaining my tablet at this level? Because it's a waste of my damned time.

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    14. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by peragrin · · Score: 2

      If you have to go to a third party community that may or may not have updates then your mode is broken. Xda is nice if you are modding it, etc. however if you want it to work without spending an hour doing so then it isn't the right place. And yes the last time I tried and failed to install an xda android rom my device was trashed. It was my fault I missed one of the 50 perquisite steps required.

      Hell there are days when I think it would be faster to compile android from source on the device than use those roms.

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    15. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Discontinuing the 5 and 7 wouldn't be a problem if there were Nexus-branded replacements in the same price range, but the Nexus 6 and 9 are ridiculously expensive compared to the 5 and 7 respectively.

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    16. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took my mother in law's cheap 50 dollar tablet from Walmart, and researched and flashed an improved version of factory OS to it. Total time took less then 1 hour. That includes all the research (almost none needed), the downloading and the flashing. (The primary issue is the factory firmware did not allow users to use more then 1gb of memory, even though it had 6gb free sitting around doing nothing)

      It runs like a champ and the complaints about being out of memory have stopped. In fact it has probably saved me many hours already as every time I saw her I needed to clean up her tablet cause she had installed too much crap on it.

      Quit your bellyaching, it is a simple process and for some devices all you have to do is run the cyanogenmod installer while the device is plugged into the PC.

    17. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      > I don't want some device I have to build in a kit every couple of months. I'm beyond the point where I want to endlessly fiddle with technology. It's a waste of my time, and not something I do for fun.

      But you realize that Google is pretty incompetent as a consumer support vendor? They're putting out changes to their "stock" android OS at least twice a year. For lollipop, they upgraded the phones months ago; but didn't even bother to upgrade the N7 (2013, razor/razorg) until a week or two ago. And almost every time, someone gets boned by a software glitch caused by the new release. Google does not give a tinker's damn when the device goes sideways on consumers.

      I'm still running kitkat, figuring that I'm not going to even update my tablet until (lollipop) v5.1.1 is released as an automatic update. I'm pretty much terrified, at this point, every time Google puts out an upgrade, because their QA really sucks. As far as I'm concerned, fiddling with it is a guaranteed event, like a slackware/gentoo release from a decade ago, every time Google puts out an upgrade.

      The sad truth is that its highly likely I will go iPad mini when my N7 dies on me. And I hate Apple. It strangles developers. Its as soulless as Google. Their products will never be the vanguard of technology. But Apple gives a damn about ensuring a flawless user experience. If the tablet goes sideways, they'll replace it. Their upgrades will fix things without introducing new problems. The question is whether that's worth the excessive margin they'll be extracting from your wallet.

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    18. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I just looked in the Best Buy flyer this past Sunday, and got sticker shock when I saw the price for a Nexus 9.
      I'll soon be in the market for a new tab, as my old 1st gen Nexus 7 is just annoying anymore (and I've rooted it and frozen a lot of the supposed bloatware). but now I don't know what to even look for. I really didn't want an iPad. I already have an iPhone, which I like, but I wanted one foot in both worlds.

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    19. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your thread with drinkypoo is exactly what I've been pointing out for at least a decade: many vocal proponents of the "Linux on the Desktop!" community, while seemingly well intentioned, have no interest in hearing any feedback that isn't glowing. They have no interest in hearing what actual users want from their tools. Anytime you bring up a deficiency in the usability of the systems, they go hostile with the name calling or the questioning of your intelligence or knowledge. Like you, I don't want a hobbiest's device - I want something that does the job I expect without having to futz with it constantly. I make more than enough money (writing embedded software) to pay extra for the vendor to do this for me. I haven't rooted the ECS on my car, either. Fortunately, it seems to be delivering an air-fuel mixture to the engine and igniting said mixture per requirements which allows me to get from point A to point B without having to mess with it - exactly what I want from it. Even though those evil bastards at the manufacturer are forcing me to use this horrible proprietary system that I'm completely locked out of!!! EVIL!

    20. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      community-tested

      lol.

    21. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Finding the information you need to do it takes less time the more you understand. You have successfully taken an hour to find enough information to install it with your level of knowledge, but not with everyone's level of knowledge. Furthermore, even an hour really sucks when we're talking about a consumer product.

    22. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flawless user experience? Both OSX 10 and iOS 8 were broken out of the gate, with iOS being a cluster fuck. It took three patches to make them usable for the majority Apple's customers.

    23. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by raftpeople · · Score: 2

      Look, I know a guy who's brother has a pretty close friend that really knows the ins and outs of this stuff, I swear he could get you setup in just a matter of hours...all you need to do is probably mail your device to him (I would include insurance just in case), mention my name (well probably my brother's name, he doesn't really know who I am), then boom! he'll get your device setup.

      I would probably allow for a couple weeks because this guy is so good he's getting lots of requests like this (I may have mentioned something on facebook), but once you drop my brother's name, your device should pop to the top of his list. Also, you'll want to include a prepaid return label, you know, so he doesn't have to foot the bill the get you setup.

    24. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are saying is why YOU would want there to be a Nexus 7.

      But that's not related to why GOOGLE would want Nexus 7 to exist.

    25. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Going to the post office, mailing it to your brother, and waiting to get it back, is still hassle and expense that it is unreasonable to expect a user to do. Also, it doesn't scale well, so it's not an answer to the fact that users in general don't want to do such things.

    26. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I remember it, the Nexus 7 was part of a strategic campaign by Google to ensure that "tablet" didn't mean "iPad" by introducing a high-quality Android device supported by Google itself to the masses. Now that that mission's largely been accomplished (e.g., if you're just looking for a tablet to browse the Internet and run a couple of simple apps, would you really shell out the extra money buy an iPod?) and there are many high-quality Android tablet alternatives in every form factor imaginable, the Nexus 7 isn't needed so much.

      That may be perception, but I own an iPad gen 4, my daughter owns the first gen iPad Air, there's no comparison between those cheap tablets and the iPads, you get what you pay for. In some cases a $200 tablet may very well be all someone needs, and that's fine, but they're not any more the same than a $400 "gaming PC" is the same as a $2000 custom built gaming PC (of the same approximate age).

      The iOS ecosystem is a lot different than Android as well, both ecosystems present different values, for some the iOS ecosystem is actually a lot better than the Android ecosystem.

    27. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by raftpeople · · Score: 1

      Whoosh!

    28. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And yes the last time I tried and failed to install an xda android rom my device was trashed. It was my fault I missed one of the 50 perquisite steps required.

      Again, you do have to exercise some care when buying a device. Look it up on XDA-Developers before buying, and never buy a device which hasn't already been subjected to some scrutiny. You don't just get a free pass, you have responsibilities.

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    29. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But you realize that Google is pretty incompetent as a consumer support vendor?

      They are more competent and scrupulous than Apple. That's not a very high bar, but it's good enough to drive a purchasing decision in this case. Obviously, Microsoft is not even in the running.

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    30. Re:No mention of iPad in the summary? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Your thread with drinkypoo is exactly what I've been pointing out for at least a decade: many vocal proponents of the "Linux on the Desktop!" community, while seemingly well intentioned, have no interest in hearing any feedback that isn't glowing. They have no interest in hearing what actual users want from their tools.

      Bullshit, coward. My response is "you don't get a better experience from Apple, at least with Android you can fix it, with Apple you're just fucked". But hey, let him go to Apple, let him see how much fun it is to be trapped in a walled garden. What Google is doing is harder than what Apple is doing, yet they're still doing at least as good a job without having to step on your neck in the process.

      I don't think that the Android experience is ideal, I just think it's better than sucking on Apple.

      I haven't rooted the ECS on my car, either. Fortunately, it seems to be delivering an air-fuel mixture to the engine and igniting said mixture per requirements which allows me to get from point A to point B without having to mess with it - exactly what I want from it.

      Except actually, it's tuned specifically for the EPA test, and if you were to diddle the maps, you could get both better cruising MPG and more maximum power output. And if only you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that. But you dipped into car analogies in an attempt to get easy karma, and in doing so you moved out of your sphere of knowledge — you know, cowardice.

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  4. RIP by barlevg · · Score: 2

    I own a first gen Nexus 7. IMO, it's the ideal size for a personal video-watching device--not large enough to be cumbersome but with a big enough screen to make TV show watching thoroughly enjoyable. It's also ideal for reading articles and great at viewing "full web" (non-mobile) pages. The price (under $200) was the main selling point to me, and I really did feel like it was amazing bang for the buck (especially compared to my wife's similarly-priced Kindle Fire).

    Lollipop rendered my N7 basically unusable (would randomly shut itself off--mine, luckily, wasn't one of those whose device got caught in the infinite reboot cycle), but Thank God there's Cyanogenmod, where my N7 is a big sluggish but still perfectly functional. The sluggishness would probably have been enough to make me consider buying a replacement, and I'm sad that there isn't one (I will never buy another Samsung mobile device, and I hate the Kindle Fire series).

    Ah, well. I'm used to being part of an unpopular and unprofitable niche market--I'm still waiting for someone (anyone) to release a new full QWERTY keyboard phone.

    1. Re:RIP by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      I don't think the 7" Android tablet was unprofitable or niche - I think both the first-gen and next-gen Nexus 7s did very well.

      Unfortunately the first-gen one was crippled by Tegra3.

      I'm really hoping a replacement comes along this summer, because a 9" 4:3 tablet is something I have zero interest in.

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    2. Re:RIP by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I don't know about unusable, but I've had a lot more problems with applications force quitting on their own because the tablet ran out of memory. The Lollipop build on the "new" 2013 Nexus 7 has a nasty memory leak that causes to OS to take over a Gig of memory at times.

    3. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have a 1st gen Nexus 7, I replaced it with a Sony Xperia Z3 Tablet Compact at Christmas (Nexus 7 is still sitting in a drawer as a spare), despite my general dislike of Sony, it's a really great replacement apart from being a bit more expensive. Due to a smaller bezel, although the screen is bigger than the Nexus 7, the device itself is about the same width. The stereo speakers are actually loud enough to be heard if you don't want to use headphones. The build quaity is great, and it's waterproof. Bloatware isn't too bad, I replaced the Sony keyboard and launcher with the Android standard ones. Sony take a while with OS updates, but they did push out 5.0 a couple of months ago. Just an option to consider.

      Good luck with the QWERTY phone thing. I can't imagine there are too many people wanting that, but if even a couple of percent of the market want it, I'm surprised someone doesn't make phone cases that turn your phone into a QWERTY clamshell or something, how hard can it be?

    4. Re:RIP by Hevel-Varik · · Score: 1

      You are not alone. I have the BB Q10, before which I had the 9900 and am pining for a android with a comparable qwerty...

    5. Re: RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you put cyanogen on it and weren't happy, why not just flash KitKat back on it? That's what I did on my Nexus 5 after i disgraced it with the Lollipop update.

    6. Re:RIP by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      A Kindle Fire 7" is $99.

    7. Re:RIP by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Thank God there's Cyanogenmod, where my N7 is a big sluggish but still perfectly functional.

      You don't necessarily need Cyanogenmod, you could just roll back to the factory image for KitKat.

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    8. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the first-gen one was crippled by Tegra3.

      That must have been quite a task. Apparently, Google had no clue about how the the software they write, maintain and distribute, would work on a piece of hardware that they themselves chose.

      Not that any anyone expects good performance from Google. It now takes a couple of gigabytes of Chrome-memory to display an email interface. God forbid if they had to run search on your local machine. I'd wager no less than a hundred GiB just to search for an email. Google must have some quota from the short school bus to fill...

    9. Re:RIP by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      That must have been quite a task. Apparently, Google had no clue about how the the software they write, maintain and distribute, would work on a piece of hardware that they themselves chose.

      At the time they released the original Nexus 7, Android was slow as molasses on any hardware I used. Performance has been one of the biggest steps forward in the last few Android releases, though they still seem to need significantly more CPU and RAM than an iPad.

    10. Re:RIP by barlevg · · Score: 1

      In 2011 the first gen Kindle Fire 7" was $199.

    11. Re:RIP by barlevg · · Score: 1

      Very true.

  5. Older than you might think by johnw · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Nexus 7 was first released back in 2013

    Which is why the first ones are known as Nexus 7 (2012)

  6. That's annoying ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I always thought he Nexus 7 was a good combination of specs, size, and being supported by Google.

    I don't want a 9" Nexus.

    One does wonder if they're not killing a popular product because they just want to focus on a more expensive version.

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    1. Re:That's annoying ... by someguy · · Score: 1

      This Asus MEMO Pad 7 is essentially the late 2014 Nexus - just not branded as such..

      http://www.asus.com/us/Tablets...

      I got one for $150 at Best Buy and have been very satisfied aside from my normal android complaint of the home/back buttons taking up a whole strip of the interface space at the bottom of the scren.

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    2. Re:That's annoying ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Is it stock Android? Or has it been tweaked?

      Because an Android which has had custom crap installed in it because the vendor felt the need to eithr brand it, divert me to their store, or achieve vendor lock-in, I'm not interested in.

      A non-standard Android has zero interest for me, because I already have an Android device which the manufacturer has abandoned.

      So vanilla Android (which is the point of the Nexus devices), or I'm simply going back to Apple. I guess I could look at a Windows tablet, but WTF would I do that for?

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    3. Re:That's annoying ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but with an Intel processor instead of ARM-based one.

    4. Re:That's annoying ... by Bensonhurst · · Score: 1

      Is there something wrong with Intel processors?

  7. What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by tepples · · Score: 1

    if you're just looking for a tablet to browse the Internet and run a couple of simple apps, would you really shell out the extra money buy an iPod?

    Because an iPod touch is small enough to put in an armband so you can listen while you jog. Android tablets typically don't run smaller than 7 inches without being designed (and priced) for use with a cellular network. Or should people just buy an entry-level Android phone and use it without a SIM?

    1. Re:What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Or should people just buy an entry-level Android phone and use it without a SIM?

      Obviously. It has the additional feature of being able to make 911 calls. That ought to be handy for joggers, since they seem to be the ones who find all the bodies.

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    2. Re:What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, it's the other guy who has a phone that isn't a phone. Yes, but that market is very small and apple has effectively abandoned it. I mean, seriously, a wrist strap is your innovation? Seriously? Might as well pay double so that you can have the cell radio in it.

    3. Re:What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by bjwest · · Score: 1

      if you're just looking for a tablet to browse the Internet and run a couple of simple apps, would you really shell out the extra money buy an iPod?

      Because an iPod touch is small enough to put in an armband so you can listen while you jog. Android tablets typically don't run smaller than 7 inches without being designed (and priced) for use with a cellular network. Or should people just buy an entry-level Android phone and use it without a SIM?

      The OP was talking about iPads, I think the iPod was a typo. As for your jogging comment, you could just use the phone you currently have to listen to music. Or do you always carry around two overlapping devices?

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    4. Re:What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Or should people just buy an entry-level Android phone and use it without a SIM?

      Why not?

      The Moto E is $120 without a contract and I'm sure it runs better than an iPod Touch that has the same internals as the 2011 iPhone 4s.

    5. Re:What 4 to 5 inch Android tablet? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2

      Android tablets typically don't run smaller than 7 inches without being designed (and priced) for use with a cellular network. Or should people just buy an entry-level Android phone and use it without a SIM?

      ...Haven't we covered this already? Is there some downside to using a phone? You talk about it like it's a bad idea. As for the iPod Touch, it's been about 5 years since one was released that could be used without iTunes. If I didn't have a smartphone, I'd use my $20 MP3 player. Smaller+lighter than even a small touchscreen device, cheaper to replace, takes microSD for memory expansion (and thus has more space than my 1st gen iPod Touch, anyhow), and it's too small to break if dropped.

      Unless you've bought into the Apple app ecosystem, there are better options than an iPod from any angle. Music player, mini-tablet/personal media device, etc.

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  8. Short-sighted post by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How did this make the front page? I think the OP neglected to realize that Google I/O is just around the corner. Devices are discontinued every year right before I/O (after months of steep discounts to clear stock) to make way for the new device(s) that are about to be announced.

  9. "it's fair to say it had a good run" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A product only on the market for 2 years now counts as "a good run"? Amazing.

    1. Re:"it's fair to say it had a good run" by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Since the original Nexus 7 came out in 2012, then yes, 3 years is a pretty good run.

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    2. Re: "it's fair to say it had a good run" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it made it out of beta... That's pretty good for a google project.

    3. Re:"it's fair to say it had a good run" by supremebob · · Score: 1

      For a consumer electronics product? That's pretty damn good. Most tablets and smartphones seem to get updated yearly, and the old model disappears once the stock runs out.

  10. Clip-on keyboard by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for someone (anyone) to release a new full QWERTY keyboard phone.

    Did they stop making clip-on Bluetooth keyboards for phones or something? Amazon still appears to have slide-out keyboards in stock for iPhone 6.

    1. Re:Clip-on keyboard by barlevg · · Score: 1

      clip-on Bluetooth keyboards for phones or something?

      Only keyboard cases I've seen are for iPhones (I'm not a fan of iOS) or the Samsung Galaxy SIII. I would have bought an N4 or N5 if there'd been a keyboard case for it. Same with any of the new Moto or HTC offerings.

    2. Re:Clip-on keyboard by barlevg · · Score: 1

      Okay, now I'm wondering how difficult it would be to sew one (assuming one had the ability to sew), because it looks like a universal KEYBOARD is available, sans case: http://www.amazon.com/Bluetoot...

  11. Luck of the draw by barlevg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My 2012 N7 is still going strong (if a bit sluggish under Cyanogenmod 11). And I've heard from a few iPad owners who've had their devices die within months. Consumer electronics is a crapshoot--sometimes your device is essentially immortal (got a 2005 Dell Inspiron that's still doing great), sometimes it dies well before its time. I'd love to see aggregated statistics for median longevity for various tablets from various manufacturers. Would guess that the N7 wouldn't top the list, but would also guess it wouldn't be on the bottom either.

    1. Re:Luck of the draw by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 1

      Totally. My Eee PC with the 900Mhz Celeron M (Family 6 Model 13) can't stop won't stop.

    2. Re:Luck of the draw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stayin' alive stayin' alive, (but it's) hot hot hot hot

    3. Re:Luck of the draw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my other tech was 1/2 as bad as the tablet industry... As such, saying the N7 isn't the worst option isn't praise. It's a POS along with the rest. I'm going back to a decent, small form-factor laptop, thanks.

  12. They had to discontinue it by erice · · Score: 4, Funny

    to free up the name name for the inevitable 7" smart phone.

    1. Re:They had to discontinue it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nexus 7 crosses the threshold of too-big-for-a-phone. I have a 5-inch smartphone and it fits in my hand perfectly has well as my pocket. The Nexus 7 doesn't. It barely fits in some of pockets and interferes with sitting down.

    2. Re: They had to discontinue it by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      Fits all my pockets, and I use mine with VoIP. People are awed by the size of my "phone". Still heartbroken that there won't be a 2015 version. For the price, the 2013 LTE version was the best piece of electronics I've ever owned. I know there are nicer Android tabs now, but not for the price.

  13. We are left with no affordable options by feranick · · Score: 1

    What made the earlier Nexii (4, 5, 7) a success was, in no small part, the sticker price, way lower than Apple and other were selling similar products. With these, you were getting great devices (with shortcomings for sure, but not deal breakers) for a bargain price. You could get a nexus 7 for less than 200USD. That to me was the power of Nexus, to the point where I would easily overlook hardware/software issues. Now that those are gone for good, we are left with the Nexus 6 and 9. They are priced on the high end (really high end). At that point, it's only fair to compare it to the competition on equal grounds. The Nexus 9 is the forgotten child, still not updated to 5.1, and with performance that is not up to a iPad Air 2, nor its build quality. The Nexus 6 is monstruosly big (if you loke those sorts of things) but the performance is OK at best. Apple used to be blamed (correctly) for sticking to small screen size, when everybody else had plenty of choice. Now you can get bigger or smaller phones from them, but not for Google. I loveD Google's products, but I am no fanboi. With the passing of the Nexus 7, I can't say I feel the same way any more.

    1. Re:We are left with no affordable options by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when my Nexus 7 dies, I'll probably be getting an iPad, unless Google produce a sane-sized tablet with sane permission controls.The new ones are too big, too expensive, and too full of spyware.

  14. Nexus 5 by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2

    I didn't realize that they discontinued the Nexus 5. I would buy another in a heartbeat. I don't see any other phone on the market that I would rather have. Nexus? Check. Hi-res screen? Check. Not a phablet? Check. The Nexus 6 is just a bit too big for me. Hopefully they are just making room for the new versions. The Nexus 5 & Nexus 10 rank as two of my best tech purchases this decade.

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    1. Re:Nexus 5 by A5un · · Score: 1

      Try Oneplus One. Oneplus Two will come out this year, so you can probably grab Oneplus One at firesale price.

    2. Re:Nexus 5 by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      No. I've seen/held/used the 1+1. Cyanogen is not the pure Android Nexus experience I am after. And 5.5" is still too big.

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    3. Re:Nexus 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just buy the Moto X -- virtually stock android, and is almost literally the Nexus 6, at a reasonable size.

  15. So what now by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Nexus 6 to big for be useful as a phone, costs 2x as much as the 5 did. Nexus 9 again size sucks, to big to carry around in front pocket to small to be a useful laptop and again 2x the price of the 7 it replaced.

    Cyogen (sp) seems to be the only option to keep things close to stock android anymore.

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    1. Re:So what now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one advantage for Nexus-line devices is the ability that is almost guaranteed that one can unlock the bootloader with just one command.

      What happened to the Google Play Experience, that both some Samsung devices and the HTC One M8 had? That also guaranteed an unlockable bootloader as well.

      I'm just hoping all this gets straightened out with some new products shortly. The Nexus 6 is definitely not inexpensive, although it isn't the $1000+ or so for an unlocked Samsung device.

  16. Why "shouldn't I be surprised"? by jetkust · · Score: 1

    Why shouldn't I be surprised? Shouldn't the article be explaining why they pulled the Nexus 7 and not telling me I already know?

  17. long run? by superwiz · · Score: 1

    2 years is a long run? Hard drives used to have 5 year warranty. Many still have 2 year warranty. Cutting off a people who use the device to store their personal info after 2 years is a "long run"? Aha.

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    1. Re:long run? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      2 years is a long run? Hard drives used to have 5 year warranty. Many still have 2 year warranty. Cutting off a people who use the device to store their personal info after 2 years is a "long run"? Aha.

      2 years is a wonderfully long run for Android stuff... you're usually lucky to get ANY software update, and here it's brought to the latest and greatest. Especially since I think the 2013 N7 went from Jelly Bean to Kit Kat and now Lolipop. Which is remarkable in a Nexus device in general.

    2. Re:long run? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 years is a long run? Hard drives used to have 5 year warranty. Many still have 2 year warranty. Cutting off a people who use the device to store their personal info after 2 years is a "long run"? Aha.

      2 years is a wonderfully long run for Android stuff... you're usually lucky to get ANY software update, and here it's brought to the latest and greatest. Especially since I think the 2013 N7 went from Jelly Bean to Kit Kat and now Lolipop. Which is remarkable in a Nexus device in general.

      Remarkable for how Google generally handles stuff? Yes, but let's not pretend their support isn't atrocious. They cut people off on hardware and software ALL THE TIME. They really suck in this regard and this is why I've transitioned my house over to iOS, my phone is the last holdout and it's going away this year.

  18. 2 Years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two freaking Years is a "Good Run"

    BS, I have socks older than that.

  19. And who's fault is that? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The person who took the decision to terminate the Nexus 7 series is called Rick Deckard.

    1. Re:And who's fault is that? by koan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like a replicant...

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    2. Re:And who's fault is that? by skaralic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too bad he won't live... but then again, who does?

  20. Ford Mustang prod since 1969 should have ended! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this a story?
    And Ford Mustang Production should have ended in 1967 too.

    We can all list things that aren't made anymore too - like the Nokia N900 ... since MSFT f^cked that company up.

  21. Would require a more expensive plan by tepples · · Score: 1

    As for your jogging comment, you could just use the phone you currently have to listen to music. Or do you always carry around two overlapping devices?

    The phone I already have doesn't support music. If I switched to a smartphone, the carrier would refuse to activate it on my present plan, instead putting me on a plan that costs $300 more per year than what I'm currently paying. Even in the GSM ecosystem, where a SIM is mandatory, carriers can and do automatically add a data plan to a voice-only SIM when it is inserted into a smartphone.

  22. Too bad the screens break easily by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I have had 10 Nexus 7's given to me, every one with broken screens.

    They needed to stop making the screen with potato chips. They need gorilla glass that is 2X as thick.

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  23. This is why I will NEVER buy another Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I spend money I worked hard for on a device, I expect to get more than a year of use out of it. Somehow you idiots have allowed the mobile device makers to condition you into accepting several hundred dollars of annual spend on a device.

    I expect to get 3-4 years out of a phone, tablet, or notebook PC, and I expect to be supported by the manufacturer during that time with updates. I understand that hardware performance deflates with time as hardware makers give software developers more and more resources to waste in the name of saving time, but I expect at least security updates even if the latest resource-hungry apps won't be happy.

  24. New Nexus Too Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if the reasoning behind the original Nexus devices was to get people to buy into Android (and thus, be willing to sell them at a loss), but as a Nexus 4 and 7 owner I have absolutely no interest in the current Nexus lineup. The 6 is about 100% more than I'm willing to pay for a phone, as is the 9 for a tablet.
    I'd have upgraded my 4 to a 5 eventually, but they cut that one out too. Hopefully Google IO involves a new 5 at a reasonable price point.

  25. Except... by koan · · Score: 1

    The new one doesn't fit in my back pocket...

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  26. Just Happened To My Nexus 7!!!!!! Smoke=Fire by jvosh · · Score: 1

    Might be a good reason as to why they are discontinuing them.... http://s12.postimg.org/frwdfyw... http://s12.postimg.org/92ptzyb...

    1. Re:Just Happened To My Nexus 7!!!!!! Smoke=Fire by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

      Although those are impressively scary looking pictures, I just thought it should be clarified that was the 2012 Nexus 7 and not the 2013 Nexus 7 the article is talking about. It looks like it had a catastrophic Lithium battery pack failure which has been documented with many different devices made back in that time frame.

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  27. I wonder what Google Fiber is going to do now... by Aelanna · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they have enough stock to last for a while, but I wonder what they're gonna give to new Google Fiber customers in the future to use as their super-spiffy remote control when those Nexus 7s run out...

  28. Google isnt in the hardware business, yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its not surprising really, its them dipping thier toes in many things and seeing what works. Im fairly sure if they actually toss thier hat in the arena itl be hilarious.

  29. Nexus 7 (2013) Best All Around Tablet Ever(so far) by nevermore94 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that many will disagree with me, but I still think that the Nexus 7 (2013) was the best all around tablet ever made. I have owned 5 tablets (3 different 7", 2 different 10") and my Nexus 7 (2013) is the only one that I still use on a daily basis and I would recommend it to anyone to buy (if they still can). I just bought my mom one last month. It has been the perfect size for me, just small enough that I can easily throw it in a jacket pocket or palm it while walking down the hall to a meeting, and big enough that I can show a coworker some information on the screen during the meeting or a watch a movie on a plane. The price/performance ratio has been unmatched by any other tablet that I have ever encountered. Nice wide full HD high resolution screen and stereo speakers for movies, 2GB of RAM, plenty fast processor, and no unnecessary bloated custom software. My only complaint ever has been the lack of a MicroSD slot that 3 of my other tablets had. Due to the 4:3 resolution the Nexus 9 never interested me.
    I really hope that Google will be announcing a suitable successor at I/O this year.

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  30. Mandatory Data by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    They sure do then argue with you that the phone won't work without a supporting data plan. If I buy an unlocked smartphone and only want to use it with wifi data only then I damn well better be able to. Fuck you Cingular oops ATT.

  31. Locked Bootloaders by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Unless you buy a nice tablets because they look like something that you might like, then they abandon you for upgrades and refuse to unlock the bootloader so you cannot put a third party ROM onto it. Thank you Toshiba, my Excite is a nice piece of hardware but no way to upgrade.

    1. Re:Locked Bootloaders by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Thank you Toshiba, my Excite is a nice piece of hardware but no way to upgrade.

      An educated person would not have purchased a Toshiba tablet to begin with. It's true that Apple users don't have to educate themselves, but that's only because there's nothing to learn. They can buy in and take their chances and deal with whatever problems crop up and however Apple chooses to deal with them, or they can fuck off. An Android user has the option to become educated so that they can make a better decision. Before buying a Moto G I looked into how Motorola treated modders (voiding their warranty, which is sleazy but standard, otherwise accommodating them) and into how the community treated Motorola devices (quite well) and now I have excellent aftermarket support, with many ROMs to choose from.

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  32. Shitstorms are not data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the comments, I frequently read that anecdotes do not equal data. Well, let me give you a corollary to that: Shitstorms do not equal data, either.

    Sure, some people had bricked (or semi-bricked) N7's after upgrading to 5.1. But do we know how many? Maybe a bunch of reports are being blown out of proportion? I don't think we know. There have been millions of N7 devices sold. At this point, I think it's hard to say if 10%, 1%, 0.1%, or 0.001% of devices are affected.

  33. All elelctronics longevity sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call me when they build something that outperforms my 120+ year old felling axe. Or my 200+ year old coin balance.

  34. It became slowwww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought one when they first came out, then bought the second gen. with a little bump in power. Still, it became very sluggish with each update until I just set it aside and finally traded it for a few bucks. Its really nothing new, Apple iPads get pretty slow and problematic with updates too. The trouble is that with tablets as well as phones the life expectancy is only considered to be around two to three years tops. Apple at least just stops supporting older iPads which is probably a good thing.
    Its probably a better ideal to skip out on upgrading the OS on tablets.

  35. Re:Nexus 7 (2013) Best All Around Tablet Ever(so f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. I loved my Nexus. Till I dropped it on a marble floor and the touch screen didn't touch no more.

  36. George R R Martin by t_ban · · Score: 1

    I think he would be appointed head of Google's products division, if he applied.

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