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Firefox 38 Arrives With DRM Required To Watch Netflix

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from VentureBeat: Mozilla today launched Firefox 38 for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android. Notable additions to the browser include Digital Rights Management (DRM) tech for playing protected content in the HTML5 video tag on Windows, Ruby annotation support, and improved user interfaces on Android. Firefox 38 for the desktop is available for download now on Firefox.com, and all existing users should be able to upgrade to it automatically. As always, the Android version is trickling out slowly on Google Play. Note that there is a separate download for Firefox 38 without the DRM support. Our anonymous reader adds links to the release notes for desktop and Android.

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  1. Typo: Digital Rights Management by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you meant Digital Restrictions Management. It's a sad day for Mozilla, the w3c, the web as a whole, and open culture. At least there's still the iceweasel fork that doesn't come with this shit.

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    1. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see how supporting playback hurts anyone. If you don't like DRM simply don't play or subscribe to content that uses it. Don't force your ideology on others.

    2. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because everyone who uses it is legitimizing it and sending the message that it's acceptable and the way forward. That hurts everyone.

    3. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      . It's a sad day for Mozilla, the w3c, the web as a whole, and open culture. At least there's still the iceweasel fork that doesn't come with this...

      You say that as if it's the only option.

      We also recognize that not everybody wants DRM, so we are also offering a separate Firefox download without the CDM enabled by default for those users who would rather not have the CDM downloaded to their browser on install.

      I can only conclude that the issue is not that you don't want to use that capability, it's that you don't want anyone else to be able to use that capability. The contradiction in wanting "open culture" to deny some users options that they desire never crosses your mind, does it?

    4. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can only conclude that the issue is not that you don't want to use that capability, it's that you don't want anyone else to be able to use that capability. The contradiction in wanting "open culture" to deny some users options that they desire never crosses your mind, does it?

      Wanting "open culture" to not be destroyed by those who promote "closed culture" instead is not a contradiction.

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    5. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by LordLimecat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you want complete freedom of expression as long as others agree with your vision.

      Got it.

    6. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Better to have a standardised, secure,

      Except it's neither standardised nor secure. All the DRM interface is is a standard interface to a proprietary, non standard closed source module.

      mysterious black-box software by a random company

      That's EXACTLY what it is. The DRM interface is just an interdace to a mysterious black-box software module from a random company.

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    7. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yea, all those Netflix users, are just such a small user base, that they add no legitimacy to DRM at all.
      Unlike all those GNU fans who, who seem to complain the fact that Firefox actually needs a VGA display to work.

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    8. Re: Typo: Digital Rights Management by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You will die off anyway, at least maybe you could do it with some dignity. Frankly, the inability to watch junk is no real loss. They should be clamoring to keep people on the teat, because after a few years of not watching that crap, I don't really miss it.

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    9. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by phorm · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "It's a sad day for Mozilla, the w3c, the web as a whole, and open culture"

      Yes, it's a sad day when a vendor offers a CHOICE for a plugin which adds much-requested functionality to their product. Heaven fucking forbid.
      There are two reasons I generally still even both to keep windows around, one is Netflix (which become a non-issue when Chrome started to work for it on 'nix), and the other is various games (also starting to change with Steam pushing Linux/GL).

      Don't want it, don't use it. There are reasons to be open, but frankly I can see some valid reasons for not being thus. Sometimes FOSS zealots sound very similar to the "well, I've got nothing to hide" types when it comes to discussing surveillance.

    10. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by Damarkus13 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You're right. By subscribing to Netflix I am legitimizing their use of DRM. Personally, I feel that $8/month for unlimited movie watching, with the restriction that I must be online to do so, is completely acceptable.

      There are uses of DRM that I find unacceptable (I won't "buy" a movie from Google Play or iTunes) but Netflix isn't one of them.

    11. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least Steam rides its own platform rather than demanding the introduction of proprietary extensions into a tool meant to browse the open web. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Netflix subscriber and I'd like to get my content easily, but at some point I have to wonder why they don't develop their own desktop apps to support the client side.

      Then you get people complaining they should be using the browser instead of their own apps which only work on Windows and OS X, versus a web app which works on Linux as well.

      You already get people complaining on mobile that "apps" should go away and be "web pages" instead, and now you're advocating the reverse - that what WAS web pages will now be apps.

      Well geez, what happens is you go to Netflix, select your movie, and then it launches the Netflix app, like what iTunes does now. So the web becomes just a portal for apps and to do anything requires installing bunches of apps.

      Want to download music? Here it is on iTunes, now install the iTunes app to purchase and download. Want to download movies? Well we have the iTunes app, the Google Play app, the Xbox app, ... just a portal for apps.

      I mean, on Windows 8, Netflix has an app. I don't think they have one for OS X, but who knows.

      Still, if Netflix did restrict their service to apps, you'll find a bunch of Linux users suddenly complaining that it doesn't work anymore. And probably a bunch of people whose friends or children upgraded them to Linux and are now unable to enjoy their Netflix.

      There is no good solution. Mozilla's solution is probably the best - sure it's "unpure" and "not ideal", but it's all about compromise and realizing that users will do what they want to do. If Netflix doesn't work on Firefox, no amount of "DRM is bad" philosophy will let them watch movies. They'll take the path of least resistance, Google 'how to get Netflix to work on firefox" and see the solution is "Install Chrome" or "Use IE" or "Use Safari".

      It's all about picking your battles. No point in winning the battle by excluding DRM only to lose the war by being marginalized.

    12. Re:Typo: Digital Rights Management by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (and since he's made it clear he'll not go public with the company and they've made double revenue year after year? Not bloody likely)

      Unlikely things happen all the time, especially in the video games industry.

      ...he will issue a patch that will disable calling home on Steam and all Valve games so it really won't matter WTF the other companies think as Steam will just be in offline mode forever.

      Yes, the guy who wants to sell you something tells you what you want to hear. I want to see a contract.

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  2. Re:Disableable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You don't need to go as far as Iceweasel.

    Yes, you do, to show that you don't want that capability in your web browser. I get that everybody thinks Netflix are the good guys because they free people from the evil cable companies, but they aren't. They are just the next iteration of media companies who try to shove proprietary shit down your throat. Don't let them.

  3. Re:How does it work ? by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FYI, you can screenshot netflix in Windows right now with silverlight. So technically a screen recorder on a sufficiently fast system could record "netflix exclusive titles" and upload them elsewhere.

  4. Re:Get cracking by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yep this should be an easy crack, with most of the source code being available. Firefox 38 will also be known as Netflix Video Ripper 1.0!

    Still, it would've been better to leave the DRM where it belongs, in plugins to be installed by each user who wants to have their rights managed.

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  5. Re:But... Why? by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, no, you're missing some steps:

    1) The studios (Fox, Paramount, Sony, etc.) tell Netflix that without DRM, Netflix is going to have its own original series to stream AND THAT'S ALL.
    2) Netflix decides it might be wise to include D-R-M unless they want to go B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T.
    3) The major browser companies all adopt DRM too, since no one wants to be the one browser that doesn't work with Netflix
    4) You, the user, streams movies from your browser.

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  6. Re:Get cracking by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Still, it would've been better to leave the DRM where it belongs, in plugins to be installed by each user who wants to have their rights managed.

    Which is exactly how the standard works - except now the plug-in interface is standardized. So much nerdwhine over nothing with the HTML5 DRM stuff. Feel free to grab the "can't watch Netflix" version if it makes you happy. Not needing Silverlight (or Flash, or some other exploit delivery engine) makes me happy.

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  7. Re:dreams over, the manifesto is dead. by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    DRM = encryption + key obfuscation.

    If DRM was merely encryption that would be great. Then we could save the encrypted streams to our hard disk, then play them while on vacation. Or we could copy those encrypted streams for time shifting. We could decrypt them, then re-encode them into another format for playing on another device. Or take fair-use protected clips from them.

    The goal of DRM is to prevent the the end-user from doing the things listed above. But encryption alone isn't enough to do that. You need a way to give the key to the user, but obfuscate the key so that they can only use it limited circumstances. It's infuriating to the user.

  8. What has really changed with here? by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Before this new version of Firefox, the DRM was delivered via Silverlight. Either way, you are running a closed-source binary blob that handles DRM.

  9. Re:Get cracking by Endymion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the plug-in interface is standardized

    Previously, there was some hesitation to use this crap thanks to this lack of standardization. Now, thanks to this idiotic move by Mozilla this type of DRM will be used, and if you think it only apply to Netflix - or only apply to video - you haven't been paying attention.

    Now that it is possible to for businesses to claim that "almost all of our potential customers support DRM", it will be used in many places. Remember the pages that show an image of text instead of just putting the text in the page? Well, get ready for the video equivalent the first time someone gets paranoid because browsers have a save-as feature. Besides, once DRM for one type of content is in place, the other industries will cry "equal access".

    All of you who are "ok" with this, or are thinking only of convenience - your selfish view of the world is a big part of why this is happening. You should be fighting this, if you give a damn about having an free an open internet in the future. Unfortunately, you're probably going to mod me down and go back to cheering about how you get to watch movies in your browser, and I hope you enjoy fighting the far more difficult battles in the future, because you didn't stop this crap when it was still small.

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  10. Re:disable EME by Endymion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because mozilla decided to promote DRM instead of a free web, we can look forwards to lots of sites (which used to work) displaying a nag screen with a link to download the "proper" version of firefox, specifically because the DRM version is a free download. They will assume everybody has support available, so there is no penalty to using this crap everywhere.

    Or have you not been paying attention to how businesses work these days?

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  11. Re:Get cracking by KingMotley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Flash at least crashes

    Fixed that for you.

  12. Re:Get cracking by Endymion · · Score: 1, Insightful

    instead their job is to write down what the big vendors are already doing, so that everyone else can interoperate

    We call people who work with the enemy collaborators, which is one of the faster ways to get your former allies to see you as a traitor.

    There is a fight for freedom going on here, and many of you are talking about movies. Anybody that things this is hyperbole or "crazy" hasn't been paying attention.

    (actually, given that the target audience of this post is nerds that like netflix, I suppose these links would be more appropriate)

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  13. Because big media has captured the government by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is their not room for both the open and closed cultures?

    Assuming s/their/there/:

    Because the concentrated non-free media use their vast financial resources to lobby governments to make existence harder for free culture.

    Big media uses copyright to squelch competition. It has successfully lobbied for successive extensions of the term of copyright, which reduces the chance that a work will enter the public domain while it remains culturally significant. It uses copyright claims to squelch comment on its works and "similarity" claims under copyright to interfere even with creation of original works, as you have no way of telling whether the song you wrote infringes the copyright of some other existing song out there.

    Big media uses its massive selling power to convince viewers to purchase player devices designed to play only works created by sufficiently large commercial enterprises, giving it a captive audience. These include such as video game consoles (with their code signing), Blu-ray Disc players (with the requirement of an AACS license for BDMV), home Internet service plans (with their bans on running a home server, enforced through carrier-grade NAT or TOS disconnection), and AM and FM radio receivers (governed by scarce exclusive licenses to transmit). Furthermore, there exists only a finite amount of electromagnetic spectrum. Case in point: People commuting to and from work who are unwilling to pay for expensive cellular data plan have only AM and FM radio as means of discovering new music. When was the last time, for example, that you heard free recordings of free music on radio? (Here, by "free" I mean distributed under a license conforming to the Definition of Free Cultural Works.)

    Big media even controls elections. All major U.S. television news outlets share a corporate parent with a major movie studio: CBS is Paramount, ABC is Disney, NBC is Universal, CNN is Warner Bros., and Fox is (duh) Last Century Fox. This gives them enormous power over name recognition, both in campaign contributions and in "in-kind" donations of name recognition through news coverage. It also helps them control what issues voters feel are important to them, as they tend not to report on threats to the existence of free culture unless it's something extraordinarily high-profile like Wikipedia's PROTECTIP protest blackout of 2012.

  14. Or just boycott the major movie studios by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because I'd rather pay $8 for an honest license than pirate for the rest of my life.

    You appear to think there are two options: use DRM or infringe copyright. There are actually three options: use DRM, infringe copyright, or voluntarily do without.