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The Auto Industry May Mimic the 1980s PC Industry

An anonymous reader writes: An article at TechCrunch looks at some interesting parallels between the current automobile industry and the PC industry of the 1980s. IBM was dominant in 1985, employing four times as many people as its nearest competitor. But as soon as Windows was released, the platform became more important for most end users than the manufacturer. Over the next decade, IBM lost its throne. In 2015, we're on the cusp of a similar change: the computerized car. Automakers, though large and well-established, haven't put much effort into building the platform on which their cars run. Meanwhile, Google's Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are constantly improving. As soon as those hit a breakthrough point where it's more important for a customer to have the platform than the manufacturer's logo on the side, the industry is likely to resemble a replay of the PC industry in the 1980s.

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  1. Oh please by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardly anyone over the age of 25 cares about the eye candy touchscreen and gadgets in the car. They either car about space for kids and/or general crap, fuel economy, performance or looks or a combination of the above. Everything else can be done on a smartphone.

    1. Re:Oh please by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, the PC industry has been regulated since at least the 1950's, and the Internet was created via a socialist military experiment.

      Did you forget the sarcasm tags?

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  2. So, we're going to get Toyota clones? by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IBM wasn't undone by the platform, they were undone by the CLONES running the platform. And at the end of the day, a car is still 99% hardware. It takes a lot to build one, and I can't envision a world where cars can be easily home built from standard parts.

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    1. Re:So, we're going to get Toyota clones? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Informative

      >> IBM wasn't undone by the platform, they were undone by the CLONES running the platform.

      IBM wasn't "undone" - period. Instead, the termination of its consumer-facing foray allowed it to tighten its grip on the short and curlies of the far more profitable corporate world, and even gave it a "PC 2.0" phase where it sold premium laptops (ThinkPads) to corporate buyers before selling that business too.

    2. Re:So, we're going to get Toyota clones? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can't envision a world where cars can be easily home built from standard parts.

      But... but... 3D printers!

    3. Re:So, we're going to get Toyota clones? by tburkhol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the value of the tesla is in the software

      No, the value of a Tesla is that it's a gorgeous car with exceptional styling, beautiful materials, great performance, and decent range. They control some of this with software that I'll never directly interact with, and the nav/AV system is great, but putting a Tesla computer in a Lancer is not going to make people buy Lancers.

  3. More than a stretch by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cars are not PC's, but the author of TFA tries to argue that they are little more than a computing "platform". Automobiles are, of course, much more than that. Most of that "much more" is totally unrelated to computer-related functions or features, so to suggest that the auto industry will follow some parallel of the PC industry is just silly.

  4. Warning by postbigbang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Vendor-driven marketing platitudes bearing little resemblance to reality using shortened memes for theme driven effect.

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  5. Year of Linux... by JoeCommodore · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, are we talking about the year of Linux on the Blacktop?

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  6. Re:In a decade... by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Funny

    And I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords. I'd like to remind them that, as a programmer, I would be very useful in managing the slaves in their data mines.

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  7. Very superficial by jodido · · Score: 3, Informative

    Too many differences to list. One, the cost of entry into the market for making automobiles is staggering, so there aren't going to be any new manufacturers. Quite different from the PC. Two, the cost to the buyer. PC's got cheaper but cars are getting more expensive. Three, you can live without a PC (you could back then, anyway) but very few cars are bought as luxury items. So, the vast majority of cars are going to continue to be sold as transportation devices and not as smartphone substitutes.

  8. You're dying off by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree with the premise of the article, as there are quite a few things about automobiles which are independent of the OS the in-vehicle entertainment and nav console - much more than a beige box pc.

    However, it's worth noting that people over 25 are dying. Old people (over 25) as a market segment will change dramatically over then next 30 years as nearly everyone over 50 will no longer be in the market for an automobile. The "money" demographic will shift to those who are just now getting their driver's licenses.

    I do find it depressing that, in an age where interactivity with personal devices can be done in an agnostic way, more and more interfaces are becoming OS specific.

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    1. Re:You're dying off by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but the 20-year-old who wants a cool software suite in his car today will be a family man who just wants plenty of room tomorrow. Eighteen year olds have a nasty, but consistent, tendency to become 30-somethings.

      When I was 18 I drove a Camaro with a kick-ass sound system and it was good.
      When I was 35, I drove a mini-van with many screens to distract the kids and it was good
      When I was 45, I drove a Camaro again, because I wasn't good.
      When I was 55, I drove a Mercedes and it was very good.

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    2. Re:You're dying off by judoguy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You're an idiot. People over 50 are too old to buy cars!? Look at who has the money, in the U.S. at least. "Old people" who have far more money as a demographic than younger people.

      I'm in my 60's, no college debt, no house payment, making money hand over fist as an IT consultant. Who the fuck do you think the car companies drool over? Some young demographic with a bleak future or me?

      Dumbass.

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    3. Re:You're dying off by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Both views are simplifications. What you should be asking is as following, as people under 25 as they get older, still care about pointless shiny in their cars?

      When I was under 25 I made some very questionable stylistic and functional choices for my auto, now as I got older I grew out of it.

    4. Re:You're dying off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, well you just wait until my YouTube movie career takes off, dad! Then me and Ben and Del are going to be famous, and rich! And we're not going to have to live in your stupid house anymore!

    5. Re:You're dying off by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The argument isn't that old people don't buy cars now, it's that they won't buy cars in the future, because they'll be dead.

    6. Re:You're dying off by operagost · · Score: 3, Informative

      They only discontinued the Firebird in.. I'll guess 2002 without looking. I do know the Trans Am package was available every year from 1969 until the model was killed off.

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    7. Re:You're dying off by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When I was 18 I drove a Camaro with a kick-ass sound system and it was good.

      When I was 35, I drove a mini-van with many screens to distract the kids and it was good

      When I was 45, I drove a Camaro again, because I wasn't good.

      When I was 55, I drove a Mercedes and it was very good.

      So pretty soon you will be riding the Cadillac, with a Landau roof and a slanted integral sign as decoration, eh?

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    8. Re:You're dying off by plopez · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah. Probably one of these:

      https://ecaremedicalsupplies.c...

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    9. Re:You're dying off by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While those Gizmos may be cool and fun, they are no longer your major concern. Now this isn't all that bad, you are more mature and comfortable with yourself, things don't bother you so much, but you also need such distractions as well.

      I thought like that for a long time, then one day I realized that I had optimized "fun" almost entirely out of my life. I am a lot happier now that I make sure to budget for "fun" things. Going through life without frivolous, but fun things was negatively affecting my mental condition. The joy of saving a dollar can only take you so far.

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  9. Re:Please let the big car companies die. by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Big companies can innovate too - look at IBM Research. Just because the results arn't on sale on Amazon or in your local high street doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact for some innovations ONLY a big company has the money to do the blue sky research. Big Pharma - whatever you make think of them - being the prime example.

  10. The Author Never Owned a Car by ClayDowling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing that's important about a car isn't the in car entertainment system. It's the wheels and the engine and the bits in between that let me get to where I need to go. I need that to last a decade or more. I need it to be a good match for the way I drive. The in car computer system? Don't care. My current ride doesn't even have much of a driver facing interface, other than some indicator lights. My in car entertainment system consists of a radio and whoever is in the passenger seat. Navigation comes from my smart phone. I upgrade the smart phone every couple of years, which expands capacity.

  11. mistaken parallels by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article dismisses the significant difference between the auto industry and the computer industry: if your computer is a piece of crap, it's just some lost $. (ie the only thing lost is some money and perhaps time). If your car is badly made, it can quite easily kill you and your family in a host of interesting ways.

    This means that buyer conservatism is high, and willingness to 'experiment' is extremely low.

    You'll notice in similar industries where computer equipment is of comparable mission-critical role, they are likewise extremely slow to adopt "the next big thing" and nothing like the 'retail' electronics marketplace.

    So no, the automotive industry won't behave anything like the retail electronics market. Not at all.

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  12. That's a poor analogy. by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Insightful

    PC's in the late 80s were standardized - Functionally there was very little difference between an actual IBM PC running DOS or a far cheaper PC clone running DOS. That changed with IBM attempting the PS/2 architecture but by then everybody was settled on the AT (and later the ATX) motherboard architecture. AMD vs Intel exchange some performance vs price differences but ultimately that's like choosing a V6 over a V8 over an I4 and most people aren't going to care.

    Each car manufacturer has its own architecture, designs and manufacturing styles - Just slapping a google-droidPod-phone-radio into the car isn't going to make a major difference when I'm looking for dependability or gas mileage (or battery mileage) or style/appearance.

    A closer analogy would've been the 6502 systems (the original Apple vs IBM vs Commodore 64 vs Atari)

  13. tech industry looks like auto industry of 1910s by peter303 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There were hundreds of automobile startups in the 1900s-1920s until standardization and consolidation. Electric and steam vehicles were competitors before internal combustion won out.