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Study: Science Still Seen As a Male Profession

sciencehabit sends news of a study published in the Journal of Educational Psychology which found that science is still perceived as a predominantly male profession across the world. The results were broken out by country, and while the overall trend stayed consistent throughout (PDF), there were variations in perception. For explicit bias: "Countries where this association was strongest included South Africa and Japan. The United States ranked in the middle, with a score similar to Austria, Mexico, and Brazil. Portugal, Spain, and Canada were among the countries where the explicit bias was weakest." For implicit bias: "Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, and Sweden were among the countries with the highest implicit bias scores. The United States again came in at the middle of the pack, scoring similarly to Singapore. Portugal, Spain, and Mexico had among the lowest implicit bias scores, though the respondents still associated science more with men than with women."

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  1. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nursing and Childcare are *still* seen as female professions. Who gives a fuck?

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody gives a fuck. That's why we see the social justice crowd trying so hard to make these total non-issues into issues. Since this isn't the kind of thing that normal people get worked up about, being a non-issue, those trying to push the extremist social justice agenda try to plaster this shit wherever they can. But the social justice crowd lacks the finesse that other political marketeers possess. So instead of intelligent, targeted messages, the social justice crowed just brute forces this shit over every possible media venue they can find, constantly.

    2. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gender studies majors do.

      See, they make their career out of pushing to get more women into careers that nobody is keeping women out of but in which there are not nearly as many women as there are men, because women choose to go into things like... gender studies... instead.

    3. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nursing and Childcare are *still* seen as female professions. Who gives a fuck?

      All the divorced men who get to see their kids every other weekend because the courts say women are 'better' at nursing and childcare (unless she's a drug addict or something, then *maybe* - only maybe - the father might get custody). If the guys are really lucky they might even get to keep enough to survive out of their paycheck too.

    4. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Notice how there's never any headlines proclaiming the travesties of the coal miner gap, or how homeless bottle picking is seen as a male profession.

    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In childcare, a lot of people care. Boys care, because the only adult male they'll see regularly is their father. Parents of boys care, again because the only adult male their child will see regularly is their father. Other childcare workers care because boys are usually more responsive to male colleagues. Just because you don't care, and just because society see's childcare as being a female profession, doesn't mean that the people who are directly involved with it don't care.

    6. Re:And? by trout007 · · Score: 3, Insightful
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    7. Re:And? by Tanuki64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When a woman can do it, it is less worth. Women always strive to grab the lowest hanging fruits. Programming was a ladies job? Too bad it became more complicated and scientific. So only natural the pay went up. And comparing nurses with doctors... ridiculous.

    8. Re:And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nobody gives a fuck? Every time there is any story about women in science the MRAs start complaining that nursing and teaching are female dominated and why is no one doing anything about that?! Then I point out that actually there are programmes trying to get more men into those professions, but they still make the same argument next time.

      It's actually a huge issue in both professions. Children in particular need male role models at an early age in school.

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    9. Re:And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, it's surprising how people want to make things better, instead of just worse for everyone.

      This MRA myth that it's about numbers needs to die. It's about access to the professions people want access to, regardless of gender. Thus the underlying assumption is that women aren't interested in science, which is demonstrably false.

      How about no one has to mine coal or collect bottles to survive? I bet that blows your mind, huh?

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    10. Re:And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What exactly is your argument? That because the law on child custody is broken women should be punished in other areas to make up for it?

      Seriously, what is the point you are trying to make, or is it just a general complaint that adds nothing to the debate?

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    11. Re:And? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not the point though.

      You can't force people to do things. Women already want to be scientists.

      And women already are scientists - and engineers. I've worked with a dozen or more - I wasn't keeping count though.

      Perhaps they would be a good place to start when trying to get more women involved in STEM careers.

      And that is the strangest thing, we don't seem to hear much about women who are already in STEM, only how men are keeping them out of STEM.

      Want a role model for women in STEM? Ty Hedy Lamarr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

      Here is the co-inventor of spread spectrum radio and a few other things, extremely intelligent, and if it important to anyone, stunningly beautiful.

      But there are obviously many more. Why don't we hear more about them?

      STEM, especially for the Scientists and engineers is not a career for the easily dissuaded. You are studying while the MBA and liberal arts students are partying - that's not hype.

      And to claim that some woman has been so negatively affected by a photo of a playboy model's face, or a sophmoric joke about a dongle that it causes rejection as a career is as sensible as saying looking at a Barbie doll caused a girl to become bulemic. A scientist would tell you that the eating problem already existed, and at worst, the Barbie Doll, was merely a fixation.

      In the end, the women in STEM movement does women a terrible disservice, painting them as weak creatures, all too easily dissuaded from careers that they would otherwise excel in, just by sexual references or distractions.

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    12. Re:And? by rea1l1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the belief that women and men are so psychologically different is what causes them to be different.

      There are some general differences in chemical composition (estrogen vs testosterone), and that mainly only plays an affect during & after puberty, but the most formative thoughts of our youth are environmentally malleable (their parents thoughts). These thoughts are products of physical results of those chemicals guiding the formation of social roles around physical form: men are generally stronger so men do things that require strength, leaving women to do things that don't.

  2. Unfortunately, this is women's perception by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as female culture remains the culture of fear (anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-vax) it is women who will see STEM as being a man's world.

  3. Power to the blamers! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Power to the blamers! There is far too much power to be garnered from inflaming (occasionally real, but often wholly manufactured) biases.
    But things like the Rolling Stone UVA rape hoax, global warming, GamerGate, &c have blown the lid off what a bunch of cheap hucksters the Grievance Industrial Complex are.
    Go back to hell and stay there, creeps.

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  4. Re:Can Political Correctness please wake up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In other news, crochet, knitting, child care, and midwifery are STILL seen as "Female" professions. We must do something to address this terrible inequality, NOW!

  5. Re:Genderwar Bait Thread by Tanuki64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know. So what? They want hatred. They get hatred. For serious discussions I go elsewhere. I would never write anything constructive on /. anymore.

  6. Order in the universe by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The greatest unsolved mystery to Man is Woman. Men who don't score try to understand why that is. Men denied a solution are programmed to decompose problems. Less complex than Woman is Science. One cannot hope to comprehend the one prior to the other.

    The greatest unsolved to Woman is why Man doesn't get it. Women are programmed to multitask. From birth, they apply a duality of logic: How to serve Tribe and Family equally. To that end, they give hope to the scientists who by extension serve Tribe, and they give body to real men who by application serve Family.

  7. And in other news by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Far more men than women are interested in joining the sciences as a career.

    So really, Science is predominantly male and that is by choice of the women. The good thing is that any woman that wants to be a scientist and has the talents and skills can be one in the western world. The reality is that most do not want to. Deal with it.

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  8. Re:Can Political Correctness please wake up? by Whiteox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A. The study hasn't been published yet. This is a preview only.
    B. It's a psychological study and not sociological. That makes a significant difference as the question only relates to the generic meaning of science, the methodology - or some part of it, is trickery, swapping answer keys randomly, thus getting statistical data for keystrokes.
    C. A sociological approach would be more considered and break science down to various disciplines where I feel that results would be different.
    The study makes the assumption that science is hard coded physics (for example) and classifies female with liberal arts and so on.
    So far I can see a few problems with this and seems to fail in the testing design with a lack of understanding by the study's authors.
    The sort of thing I would like to see if there is a corollary between "Men hunt, women gather" and the disciplines of science.
    In my expanded family, I have 2 female scientists (organic chemistry) and 1 male - (medicinal chemistry). The 2 females became scientists because they couldn't become engineers which had the stamp of a male profession because it was physical work as well as mental. Holding test tubes over a Bunsen burner doesn't take much physical strength. Hmmm.. Maybe THAT has got something to do with it?

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  9. the corporations need more cheap labor by rightwingLeftist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    feminism expands the pool of labor.... growing the supply of labor faster than the demand for labor suppresses wage growth, which increases profit growth. That means more money for corporate shareholders and more money spent on advertising in the corporate media. Won't someone PLEASE think of the corporations, the plutocrats that own them, and the media that is supported by them???!!

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  10. Re: Guys just look better in lab coats. by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about if we believe your conclusions but do not think your data supports your claim, ie you are viewing what you wish due to your observations which are obviously (and not a fault) biased?

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  11. Re:Well... by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you'd gone to college, you might have noticed that men make up 62% of faculty.

    If you had gone to high school, you might have noticed that women make up 84% of the teaching staff. Citation because you don't.

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  12. Re: Guys just look better in lab coats. by Pubstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >If your reaction to this is to disbelieve my credentials, then you are part of the problem.

    >Post made as AC

    Welp, I'll gladly be part of the problem not believing something posted on the internet anonymously.

  13. Re:Can Political Correctness please wake up? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a New York state law banning male daycare teachers from changing diapers.
    There is a strong preference in custody cases that the child will end up with the mother, even if she isn't nearly as fit to parent.

    There is actually more of a written inequality against men then woman.

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