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High Court Orders UK ISPs To Block EBook Sites

An anonymous reader writes: The UK High Court has ordered British ISPs to block seven websites that help users find unauthorized copies of eBooks. Under the order, BT, Virgin, Sky, EE and TalkTalk must block AvaxHome, Bookfi, Bookre, Ebookee, Freebookspot, Freshwap and LibGen within the next ten days. “We are very pleased that the High Court has granted this order and, in doing so, recognizes the damage being inflicted on UK publishers and authors by these infringing websites,” says Richard Mollet, Chief Executive of The Publishers Association. “A third of publisher revenues now come from digital sales but unfortunately this rise in the digital market has brought with it a growth in online infringement. Our members need to be able to protect their authors’ works from such illegal activity; writers need to be paid and publishers need to be able to continue to innovate and invest in new talent and material.”

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  1. I didn't know about these by dhaen · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll have to take a look.

  2. Soon by GoddersUK · · Score: 4, Funny

    The UK High Court has ordered British ISPs to block a website that helps users find several websites that help users find unauthorized copies of eBooks. Under the order, BT, Virgin, Sky, EE and TalkTalk must block Slashdot within the next ten days. “We are very pleased that the High Court has granted this order and, in doing so, recognizes the damage being inflicted on UK publishers and authors by this infringing website,” says Richard Mollet, Chief Executive of The Publishers Association. “A third of publisher revenues now come from digital sales but unfortunately this rise in the digital market has brought with it a growth in online infringement. Our members need to be able to protect their authors’ works from such illegal activity; writers need to be paid and publishers need to be able to continue to innovate and invest in new talent and material.”

    1. Re:Soon by GoddersUK · · Score: 2

      I think you missed the modifications I made to the summary ;)

    2. Re:Soon by TyFoN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to say, I never hard of these sites either.
      Thank The Publishers Association for the tip :)

      Nah I'll still buy my stuff.. But I wonder how something like this can progress as far as to court without someone telling the execs how futile it is to block websites.

    3. Re:Soon by Yomers · · Score: 2

      That makes me wonder how much revenue they are actually losing.

      Clearly not enough.

  3. And so it continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It started out with a politicial promise: We won't ever block more than this secret list of child pornography maintained by the "internet watch foundation". In the meantime there's a general porn filter (with weasel wording in the law turning "opt-in" and "opt-out" on their heads), the music industry got a couple blocks in, and so the book industry couldn't stay behind, now could they? More importantly: Who's next?

    1. Re:And so it continues by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who's next?

      Sorry, that information has been blocked.

    2. Re:And so it continues by Yomers · · Score: 2

      That is a classified program developed by UK Ministry of Education, aimed at increasing computer literacy and promote awareness privacy enhancing tools like VPN and tor. They copied idea from Iran, where similar strategy has lead to a great success - reportedly more than 60 percent of Iranian internet surfers regularly use VPN. There are rumors that next step in this initiative will be blocking of porn sites in UK - a very strong move that will ensure that a growing generation will be unstoppable by any attempts of internet filtering. Russia recently started it's own educational program based on the same principles, increasing it's blocked sites list with a very healthy vigor and generating tons of lulz in a process.

      I applaud all politicians that have a part in this cunning and powerful effort to preserve internet freedom!

  4. Consumption's up by GoddersUK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFS:

    this rise in the digital market has brought with it a growth in online infringement

    I'm willing to bet consumption, both legitimate and illegitimate, is up; so I wonder how much damage this "rise in piracy" is actually doing. At the end of the day I could go and hunt down a pirate copy of the book I need, find a website that actually allows me to download it, avoid the viruses and so forth. Or I could just buy it easily from Amazon, and strip the DRM for backup purposes. You see the legitimate content has a massive advantage here: It's much easier to get and comes with the ability to sync notes etc. with the cloud (if you don't mind Amazon knowing your reading habits), while it's not too difficult to remove the DRM for a backup copy.

    If I was a publisher I'd be far more worried that this incentivises me to read older, public domain books. Before I still had to go to the bookshop and buy them, and a publisher could probably get new books out at a competitive price if they wanted, whereas now I can just get them free from Guttenberg (or even Amazon themselves). And with many publishers trying to charge almost the same for a Kindle book as a print book I rarely buy new books for my Kindle, if I want to read one of them I buy the dead tree version instead. But often I just find some public domain reading material and the publishers loose my custom.

    1. Re:Consumption's up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm willing to bet consumption, both legitimate and illegitimate, is up; so I wonder how much damage this "rise in piracy" is actually doing.

      Quite a bit less than the whiny "we want to be last to market" bitches that keep suing their customers and otherwise treat them like crap. If you ignore the paid-for "studies" the effect is actually net positive. You have to remember that these are intangible "culture goods" that gain value with sharing.

      That is, such goods make more money for the owners if more people have access to them. It's no secret that "airplay" is the be-all end-all for artists on radio and tv. Yet the focus of the big content cartel is on tightly controlling the material.

      The late owner of Baen Books did the reverse, giving away for free a number of electronic books, calling it a license to print money.

      IOW, if you ignore their own propaganda, the available sources, studies, and indications paint the sharing-decriers a bunch of doodie-heads.

      If I was a publisher I'd be far more worried that this incentivises me to read older, public domain books.

      Well, there's one reason why copyrights get extended every time the mouse threatens to become public domain. In fact, eg. google books considers re-issues of old, even centuries old, material to come with fresh copyright so things like the Illiad in a recent publication is considered protected under current terms as if it was published yesterday.

      Yet at the same time over in Europe there's various countries that have country-wide rules propping up book prices to enable retention of large back-catalogues. So you pay more for every book including new ones because, you know, retaining old books in print is otherwise not profitable, or so the narrative goes. Make of that what you will.

    2. Re:Consumption's up by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      so I wonder how much damage this "rise in piracy" is actually doing.

      None. Piracy increases income.

      At the end of the day I could go and hunt down a pirate copy of the book I need, find a website that actually allows me to download it, avoid the viruses and so forth. Or I could just buy it easily from Amazon, and strip the DRM for backup purposes. You see the legitimate content has a massive advantage here: It's much easier to get and comes with the ability to sync notes etc. with the cloud (if you don't mind Amazon knowing your reading habits), while it's not too difficult to remove the DRM for a backup copy.

      Most people just prefer to head over to a trusted torrent site, free from viruses and the like, and download a clean DRM-free copy. It's easier and quicker, and if they are young or don't have a credit card it is also affordable and possible for them to do. Pirate copies are always the best quality ones, unless the vendor goes DRM free, and even then... eBooks are relatively easy to convert from one format to another, but movies and music are more hassle and why would people bother?

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    3. Re:Consumption's up by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or I could just buy it easily from Amazon, and strip the DRM for backup purposes.

      My take on this is that if I'm required to infringe copyright on a legally purchased product in order to make sensible use of it, why should I actually purchase it instead of just infringing copyright and getting it for free from a torrent?

      For the record, I don't do either - I've steered away from ebooks entirely until the publishers stop taking the piss. Since books were invented there have been various generally accepted things that everyone did with them that ebooks don't allow you to do: e.g. if I buy a paper book, I can read it, then pass it on to my wife to read, lend it to a friend to read, stick it on the book shelf for years, then hand it onto kids to read, who can hand it onto their kids, or I can sell it, etc. Compare to the T&Cs of Google Play (as an example) which say that I'm not even allowed to lend my tablet to my wife so that she could read an ebook I purchased, let alone actually transfer it to someone else's device. When I can get ebooks with the same rights as I have for paper books, I'll think about buying some.

    4. Re:Consumption's up by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      I agree with you. That's why, as an author, I chose for my ebooks not to have any DRM. I'd rather someone who enjoyed my book lend it to a friend or family member and have them also enjoy it than not buy because of the DRM.

      Frankly, I also don't really care how many individual readers download one of my books for their own enjoyment, especially if they take a moment to post a review or recommend it to someone else. That's darn near close enough to payment as far as I'm concerned. I do draw the line at anyone trying to resell my work as theirs, and there's definitely some discomfort at places like those in the article that might be profiting by giving away what isn't theirs to give.

  5. Re:Protects Internet users by qpqp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes I see a strip club that I could go to, and I wonder if I'd break some sort of agreement with my wife if I do.

    FTFY.

  6. Meanwhile in America... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fortunately, this can't happen in America. In America, they can only seize the domain, remove it from the search engines, send a DMCA notice, accuse you of hacking, but not block the website.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Meanwhile in America... by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Why do the Brits hate freedom?

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  7. Re:censorship much? by evilrip · · Score: 2

    Fascism, hypocrisy, etc :) when are we all going to start calling it what it really is? :) On the other hand, one tends to want security and control for the ones we love (or are responsible for, perhaps more for our sakes than theirs?), autonomy for ourselves. Maybe it is time to realize other people want autonomy too, so we can strike the correct balance?

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    "To err is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System"
  8. Re:censorship much? by evilrip · · Score: 2

    So basically, they want to turn Europe into the people that left for the "new world" in the first place, puritans? good thing i checked out of society ages ago. dealing with this level of crazy just requires too much medicine vapor without them picking up the tab for it, not to mention forcing people to foot the bill for their misguided actions in every possible area.

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    "To err is human, to forgive, beyond the scope of the Operating System"
  9. Whac-A-Mole by Gaxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think, as a Brit, I can explain the way the law has been structured here...

    You see, culturally we love Whac-A-Mole style games. The current decision-making generation having grown up with them in arcades and fairs and there is a massive sense of nostalgia for them.

    Hence, when there is an opportunity to enact legislation that has you striking down a website only to encourage dozens of near-identical ones to pop up overnight... well - we go all starry-eyed and start humming old 8-bit arcade tunes to ourselves.

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    -- Gaxx
  10. Re:Libgen by Anomalyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you find it strange that ignorant politicians and greedy media moguls are ham-handed in their dispensation of "justice" in the protection of their revenue streams. I'm waiting with bated breath for Edger Rice Burroughs to "innovate" a new series of Ganymede novels wherein the plot goes: hero meets girl, hero loses girl to evil antagonist, hero chases antagonist and saves the girl and they (i.e. hero & girl, not hero & antagonst) kiss (and nothing else!) at the end. I hear Ernest Hemingway is recovering nicely from his suicide by using all that generous royalty income towards the latest medical technology to cure his malady and will be penning a sequel to "For Whom The Bell Tolls" just in time for Xmas gift giving. Let us all fervently hope Roger Zelazny will provide us with a new Amber novel and a astonishing collection of short stories. Would it be too much to ask for another six dimensional Lazurus Long novel from R.A.H.? I have a burning need to know if Mycroft and Athena ever "get it on" and Colin Campbell and Hazel Stone survived to write more "Scourge of the Spaceways" scripts .

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  11. "once" by RLiegh · · Score: 2

    "It's nothing compared to what will be thrust upon us once those two trade deals go through."

    Also it's "two", not "2"; we might be slashdot, but for god's sake we don't type like 12 year olds!

  12. Censorship in the UK by hsa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't you guys care at all?

    First they started censoring child porn. This is totally acceptable, child porn is bad. Nobody dared to say anything.

    Then they started censoring pirate sites. This was for the children also, I guess. People objecting these changes are mean pirates! Don't listen to them!

    Then they started censoring youtube videos with "dubious" political agenda. When some people complained, it was "only an option to remove videos", blaah blaah blaah.

    Now they are starting to censor books.

    While there is still time, I suggest you read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury and 1984 by Georgy Orwell. That should give you a pretty good picture where this is going..

    1. Re:Censorship in the UK by fendragon · · Score: 2

      Don't you guys care at all?

      I'm in the UK, I've read 1984 and I do care. And, like many of us, I didn't vote for this stupid government.
      As for ISP's, on Plus Net currently, but I'm all ready to switch to Andrews & Arnold at the drop of a hat if any of this crap gets in the way of my internet use (or possibly when I actually need IPV6, whichever happens first) Incidentally, Cameron is quite likely pleased about the Eu threat to make internet censorship illegal. He'll play the "think of the children" card for all it's worth in the hope of getting public support for his plan to getting us out of Europe, which would suit him fine.

      Emigration is starting to look like a serious option. Either that or getting quite unpleasantly noisy and political, and encouraging others to do the same.

    2. Re:Censorship in the UK by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now they are starting to censor books

      Strawman much?!? What a load of crap. I'm not pro-censorship but they ARE NOT CENSORING BOOKS. No more than arresting (actual Captain Phillips type) pirates is censoring free trade.

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  13. Re:VPNs and proxies by bool2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How long before Mozilla integrates a TOR client, available by default, for browsing to .onion addresses? It could also have an "Unblock this site" toolbar button which adds a blocked site to a "browse-over-tor" list and refreshes the page. If that's not been done already, that'd make a great plugin.

  14. Great Firewall UK Edition by lazyBob · · Score: 2

    UK ISPs could buy this technology from China

  15. Re:VPNs and proxies by Mal-2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Using outside DNS doesn't help if the carrier is blocking access to an IP address.

    BTW another alternate DNS you can add to your list: Velocity Networks (Los Angeles): 206.126.128.2 - it's not as easy to remember as 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4 for sure, but some people don't want to be bound to Google.

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  16. Re:VPNs and proxies by mrbester · · Score: 2

    BT don't (and I don't think Virgin do either). They just alter their DNS records to point to a different server.

    UK users would be better off using the OpenDNS servers than Velocity's.

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    "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
  17. Re:VPNs and proxies by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://piratebrowser.com/

    Firefox with Tor pre-integrated and configured. Give the link to your friends.

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  18. Re:VPNs and proxies by present_arms · · Score: 2

    No but Tor browser does, There is not a site I can't go to on that, regardless what the ISP has "blocked" :D just don't torrent through it, that's wrong, download it and click the torrent file once you have closed the browser :D and to the Government and courts, Fuck you

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  19. Re:Libgen by tao · · Score: 2

    The self-published authors would hardly be represented by TPA, right? TPA says "writers need to be paid and publishers need to be able to continue to innovate and invest in new talent and material." -- IOW sure, the authors might suffer, but the important thing is that we can shaft them for money. I mean seriously, what are those "innovations" that the publishers have come up with? e-books? Nope. Self-publish solutions? Nope. Oh, I know -- sales bolstered by the self-feedback effect of bestseller lists, DRM on e-books, and insane regulations for libraries that makes it so expensive to lend e-books that most of them still offer only paper books, even though it should be obvious that e-books would be an ideal solution for libraries.

    Of all the authors of e-books I've read, only 3-4 have been self-published (one of them being Cory Doctorow, but he has a regular publisher too); two of them publish using sites where people can pay either before (how much do you anticipate this book?) or after (what did you think the book was worth?).

    Face it, the old type of publishers don't really serve much of a purpose in the world of e-books, just like the old type of record companies don't really serve much of a purpose in the world of digital music sales. Lucky for them they have the ear of the governments and don't need to worry about catching up with reality...

  20. Re:Who modded this crap up? by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

    To be fair, they're blocking access to copyrighted works for which the copyright holder has not authorized a copy. So, it's not really anything new...

    (I hate copyright law as much as the next rabid /.er, but just sayin',)

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    We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  21. Re:Why are Books Important ? by hamsterz1 · · Score: 2

    Also:“Do you know why books such as this are so important? Because they have quality. And what does the word quality mean? To me it means texture. This book has pores. It has features. This book can go under the microscope. You’d find life under the glass, streaming past in infinite profusion. The more pores, the more truthfully recorded details of life per square inch you can get on a sheet of paper, the more ‘literary’ you are. That’s my definition anyway. Telling detail. Fresh detail. The good writers touch life often. The mediocre ones run a quick hand over her. The bad ones rape her and leave her for the flies. So now you see why books are hated and feared? They show the pores in the face of life.” Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

  22. Re:Who modded this crap up? by Evtim · · Score: 2

    Well, the censorship goes for the paper versions as well...I guess it is easier to do it in electronic format. My reply is off-topic but I just could not let this comment pass. The book market, being in the hands of corporations suffers from two issues at least:

    - General censorship - only authors that are not "too controversial" are published. It is those corporations that decide which author deserves publicity, so you can have excellent books that no-one ever heard of. I have read very serious articles from all kinds of scholars on the subject [publishers, authors, journalists, ect.] and they all agree that our very culture [music, literature, cinema] is steered by corporations. It's a bit like the google echo-chamber where over time you get only the hits that you "like".

    - Particular censorship - I have encountered two examples myself. One is the recent, rather popular book called "the Martian". A friend of mine downloaded somehow the last draft just before publishing. We found out that paragraphs and in some cases whole pages are missing in the officially published version. And the cut out parts were all biting, sarcastic comments on the state of humanity [very insightful observations actually]. The other censored book is also an excellent read from a modern Russian author [V. Pelevin]. In his book "Generation P" entitled in the US as "Babylon" 2 pages are missing from the first chapter because....hold on to your chair...it discusses in a very humorous way why only Pepsi was available in the USSR but not Coke, whereas in the the US Coke is bigger than Pepsi. Can you imagine the lengths at which this people will go - to censor a book that would have been read by no more than a few thousand Americans? I know the corporations did it, cause I have a friend whose job is to monitor the entire media [including Internet] of my motherland for mentions of corporations and she reports every single day to them so they can take action if they deem it necessary....they are interest what is written about them in a obscure blog in an insignificant country!!! Disgusting...

  23. Good On The Brits! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know that this won't be popular here, but good on the Brits.

    Make sure you don't visit AvaxHome, BookFi, Bookre, Ebookee, Freebookspot Freshwap or LibGen

    Don't visit those sites. Just don't!