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China Unveils World's First Facial Recognition ATM

An anonymous reader links to an article at IB Times according to which: China has unveiled the world's first facial recognition ATM, which will not allow users to withdraw cash unless their face matches their IDs. The machine was created by Tsinghua University and Hangzhou-based technology company Tzekwan. It has a camera installed in it that captures the facial features of the user then compares it with a database of identification photos.

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  1. Problem right off the bat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ERROR: All users match same data set.

  2. Re:Good luck by mjwalshe · · Score: 2

    Are you insane giving out your pin to you bank account is the most stupid thing I have ever heard

  3. Re:coercion is the flaw by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    Perfect is the enemy of improvement. The crime of kidnapping/murder is far more serious than pick pocketing or card cloning. A lot fewer people will try the more serious crime.

  4. Re:Good luck by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Take a life size image of the cardholders face and place it over your face while making a transaction.

    Or take his head...

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    Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
  5. Re:Unintended consequences by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Letting someone who you trust use your ATM card and PIN is not unusual but (almost always) it is against the agreed rules between you and the card issuer.

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    Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
  6. Epic fail: someone always matches by davecb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This scheme will work for one branch in Lesser Nowhere, Sechwan Province, with a finite and small set of pictures, and a small number of crooks. Once the number of faces increases, the probability of a false positive explodes, roughly as (N 2) (select every two out of N), where N is the size of the pools of pictures + the person being scanned.

    The well-known example is the "birthday paradox", in which twenty-three people at a party increases the probability of two of them having the same birthday to fifty-fifty. That particular case was because the actual probability was multiplied by (25 2) = 25! / ((25-2)! * 2!) = 6900 comparisons being made, times 1/365 chances of a hit.

    The German federal security service considered using one of my then employer's recognizers for airports to catch terrorists, but ended up facing the problem of accusing grandma of being part of the Bader-Meinhoff gang (;-)) No matter how accurate we were, a few more people in the pool would give us false positives. We'd need roughly an accuracy of 99.9 followed by roughly as many decimal places of 9s as there were powers of ten of people.

    --dave

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    1. Re:Epic fail: someone always matches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is a different problem, where your issue is a non issue. When you insert your credit card, the ATM gets your card number, cross references with your ID card and fetches validation photos from your ID photo database. Then it's just a matter of cross-validating the features of the face in the camera of the ATM against the photos in the database (for the ID associated with the credit card).

    2. Re:Epic fail: someone always matches by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, no. You're not trying to find a needle in a haystack, the ATM is trying to determine if the one person in front of the camera matches the one identity on file. it doesn't matter if there's 300.000 people who look enough like you to pass the check as long as the thief is one of the other 300+ million. You're weeding out the 99.9% who look nothing like you.

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  7. Re:please no jokes about by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    facials. that's porn.

  8. Re:please no jokes about by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 2
    Absolutely not a joke - if you are a white European like me you have problems facialy recognizing Black and/or (eastern) Asian individuals apart, and the same happens for them -Blacks, (eastern) Asians- also.

    But you may have problems recognizing people of your own general race in some situations: when, as a conscript in the Greek armed forces, i was in boot camp, because everyone was "the same" (same uniform, same haircut, same "facial expression of terror"), for the first week or so i had problems facialy recognize people i know for years, the they had same problems - visually, there were only those *groups* of people: tall/sort, fat/thin, and compinations of them...

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    Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
  9. Re:I for one.... by gnupun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What they're trying to do is cover their own asses

    No, this is big brother technology. They can now map the serial numbers of the currency from the ATM to a person. One step closer to cashless, surveillance society.

    Although it could also be used to prevent a thief with stolen debit card and password trying to cash out someone else's money. But then how would a thief get somebody's PIN.

  10. Re:Good luck by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    Take a life size image of the cardholders face and place it over your face while making a transaction.

    Or take his head...

    That's silly, just bring his face.

  11. Re:I for one.... by byornski · · Score: 2

    If it's cashless, we wouldn't need ATMs.....

  12. Re:Photo by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps you might look into what slippery slope actually means. A slippery slope fallacy argues that if A happens then B will inevitably happen. In this case your premise that requiring picture will inevitably lead to requiring DNA is the slippery slope fallacy. Pictures do not lead to DNA. By the way, we already require pictures on driver's licenses. The GP was refuting your slippery slope argument not making one.

  13. Pain during the winter by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

    When it's especially cold it would be a pain to undo the bundling just so the ATM can see your face. There's a fine art in layering your clothes (balaclava tucks inside the coat collar, scarf on the outside, etc) to keep the wind out on those -30C days.

    1. Re:Pain during the winter by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      When it's especially cold it would be a pain to undo the bundling just so the ATM can see your face. There's a fine art in layering your clothes (balaclava tucks inside the coat collar, scarf on the outside, etc) to keep the wind out on those -30C days.

      No problem, just wrap your head in a scarf when they take the ID picture to start with...

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  14. Re:Good luck by KGIII · · Score: 2

    No, just no. No you do not want one. The next time you are outside (assuming you do go outside) take a look at the people around you. They will, inevitably and maybe invariably, end up in your pictures.

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  15. Re:Unintended consequences by xaxa · · Score: 2

    Assuming China is more like Europe than the US on this one, you probably transfer the money directly into your friend's account using a computer or smartphone.

  16. Re:Good luck by pellik · · Score: 2

    Well Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?