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Fabs Now Manufacturing Carbon Nanotube Memory, Which Could Replace NAND and DRAM
Lucas123 writes: Nantero, the company that invented carbon nanotube-based non-volatile memory in 2001 and has been developing it since, has announced that seven chip fabrication plants are now manufacturing its Nano-RAM (NRAM) wafers and test chips. The company also announced aerospace giant Lockheed Martin and Schlumberger Ltd., the world's largest gas and oil exploration and drilling company, as customers seeking to use its chip technology. The memory, which can withstand 300 degrees Celsius temperatures for years without losing data, is natively thousands of times faster than NAND flash and has virtually infinite read/write resilience. Nantero plans on creating gum sticks SSDs using DDR4 interfaces. NRAM has the potential to create memory that is vastly more dense that NAND flash, as its transistors can shrink to below 5 nanometers in size, three times more dense than today's densest NAND flash. At the same time, NRAM is up against a robust field of new memory technologies that are expected to challenge NAND flash in speed, endurance and capacity, such as Phase-Change Memory and Ferroelectric RAM (FRAM).
Schlumberger isn't an exploration and drilling company, it's an oilfield services company. They don't drill the oil themselves, they sell technology, data and engineering services to people who do.
Indeed.... either that, or it will be priced so stratospheric that it doesn't have any chance of catching on in the home computer sector.
It will be news when it's available and affordable.
Until then, it's not really any better than vaporware.
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Not really. They're manufacturing their devices; all HP ever seems to have done is talk.
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Well to be fair, according to TFS, this company has done nothing but talk since 2001, almost 15 years now. Now it's finally got something ready for production.
How long has HP been talking about memristors? I don't think it's been this long.
I wonder how this (now proven) technology stacks up against (not yet proven) memristors in terms of density and speed.
Until then, it's not really any better than vaporware.
Just because something's too expensive for cheap-ass home computer users doesn't mean it's "vaporware". There's a lot of other sectors in the computing market that can afford more.
The summary says "Nantero plans on creating gum sticks SSDs using DDR4 interfaces."
TFA says:
(emphasis mine), which is, err, umm, the exact opposite of "Nantero plans on creating gum sticks SSDs" (or even "Nantero plans on creating gum stick SSDs").
As for what's being fabbed:
so, whilst this is better than "we've constructed a 4-bit chip in the lab and, yes, it does reliably store 4 bits of data", let's wait a couple of years before we get too excited.
So, 2 dollars for 2 terabytes?
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.
The first I heard of memristors was in the mid '80s. I don't recall if it was HP or someone else ballyhooing them, though.
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This tech already arrived at Earth from another star system according to Ben Rich(CEO of Lockheed Inc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
To use with my quantum computer, powered by nuclear fusion reactor.
Ah, before HP did memristors, they also worked on FERAM -- that program continued with Agilent.
HP/Agilent are quite good at these breakthrough technologies -- do a search for the Champagne Optical Switch -- that was another one that was going to take over the world.
But they have had some successes -- the FBAR filter/diplexer was (and still is) a big deal, in the news recently as some individuals were arrested for trying to set up an offshore source...
FERAM (and the phase change stuff) have been the technology of the decade -- for a couple of decades now.
One of the issues with FERAM is some of the dopants needed are considered contaminants by most folks, which makes it difficult to use someone else's fab... You want to run WHAT through my fab???
HP was claiming it could put 100 TB of storage on a cell size device.
I think AMD is going to beat them to the punch with HBM and module stacking and is coming out on their next gen videocards, especially since DDR5 is just starting to roll out to the PC market for generic modules. It'll be a hard slog for them to push it in anywhere unless it's price competitive, or it's in highly specialized devices at least in the short term. I'd say 10 years before it rolls out to the general public, for public use. And they'll probably be bought up by someone else in the short term.
Om, nomnomnom...
three times more dense than today's
So according to Moore's law we are about 2 years away from having these in everyday electronics?
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They didn't. They named it after the "Three Finger Salute" as a tribute to the stability of the software.
So you work for their competition, then?
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
One where there is no differentiation between "disk" and "RAM"?
Looking at the pictures in the slides this looks very similar to a carbon nanotube memory process I worked on at my last job (we might have even been licensing some of the IP from these guys). We were looking for a way to shrink our microcontroller die by moving the EEPROM cells up into the metallization stacks. An additional benefit to this memory was that we would be able to increase the EEPROM memory size 2x (with a second layer of cells) with the addition of just 5 more masking layers and almost no increase in die size.
The process I worked on was nowhere near volume production when I left; but I do know we did have completely functional die with carbon nanotube memory. The one part of the process that was most challenging was dealing with the carbon nanotube spin on process. It took forever to get the right thickness uniformity and once you had it at the correct thickness you were rewarded with a material that had filled in your lithography alignment structures to the point they were almost worthless for the next patterning step. It was pretty cool tech to work on, I am glad it looks like somebody is getting it to work.
No, he probably just goes to nanotechnology conferences. Nantero does have a pretty well earned reputation for spending a lot of money on not a lot of progress. Read TFA, they're claiming all this stuff in the summary is just "a few years" away, not actually here. This all has to do with Nantero closing another round of funding today not any technical milestones. It is unfair to pick on Nanotero though. There were a generation of Silicon Valley nanotech companies who all did the same thing. Nanotero has actually been very frugal and responsible compared to most of them.
The first I heard of memristors was in the mid '80s.
Memristors were first discovered in 2007, so you did not hear about them in the 1980s, except maybe as a theoretical concept.
No, 2 TeraDollars.
It would have taken less time, but the engineers kept bursting into flames...
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The density of data stored in plane goes with the inverse square of the element size (just a quick remark)
I am getting tired of all the nano that nano this, it's going to change the world. Been reading about it for fucking years and nothing has come of it. I AM sure it will change things if all the pie in the sky promises come true, but I am still waiting to see it actually hit the market or actually change the world I live in.
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
that same wikipedia article says that they were "Invented" in 1971 (in the same sense this stuff was invented 2001).
it's just that 2007 hp announced they had made a "prototype" of sorts using some physical phenomena known since 1960's.
seriously, I've quite taking hp seriously on the subject already due to them talking like they have a fabrication process in place when they don't.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
... this will translate into a product that I can use in less than 20, 30 years? Or will become another of the military toys we civilians will never know are there?
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Not sure if you include all things 'micro' in your general derision, but MEMS devices have revolutionized some areas of electronics, particularly sensors. I bet you've got a MEMS-based accelerometer in your phone right now, and possibly a MEMS-based programmable oscillator.
If you have sleep apnea or asthma, your therapy device might contain a MEMS-based flow sensor.
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... if you raise the operating temperature a couple of hundred Kelvin, then quantum docoherence and environmental scattering are going to play a role, meaning that information held in any one of the cells may simply vanish by "leaking" into a coupled environment. A little bit of thermal background radiation is enough to set such processes into motion.
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