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Report: Internet Users Feel Powerless To Protect Their Privacy From Corporations

Mark Wilson writes: A paper produced by a team at the University of Pennsylvania confirms something many people have probably thought true for some time: the notion that internet users are unhappy with the way their privacy is undermined by advertisers and online companies, yet feel there is nothing they can do about it. While marketing companies like to present an image of customers who are happy to hand over personal information in return for certain benefits, the truth is rather different. Rather than dedicating time and energy to trying to stop personal data from being exploited, people are instead taking it on the chin and accepting it as part and parcel of modern, online life. It's just the way things are.

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  1. Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by x0ra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everybody expect free services. Nobody want to pay for anything, and they all expect privacy. Maybe it's time to wake up. Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple are not charities, they are for-profit companies. They must find way to monetize their users' data. At the same time, Facebook probably wouldn't have been if it had been paywall'ed.

    1. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Scutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are plenty of paid products where you, the consumer and purchaser, are still treated like a commodity. Just because you handed over money for it doesn't mean you won't be sold to the highest bidder. It's easy to just say "wake up", but I suspect that you missed the point.

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    2. Re:Do you mean "Internet Products", right ? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everybody expect free services. Nobody want to pay for anything, and they all expect privacy. Maybe it's time to wake up. Facebook, Google, Amazon or Apple are not charities, they are for-profit companies. They must find way to monetize their users' data. At the same time, Facebook probably wouldn't have been if it had been paywall'ed.

      And yet Facebook/Google make most their profits on users data. Apple sells hardware/software mainly and Amazon is just trying to be the goto place for everything.

      I think the problem is, we aren't getting a good enough return on the data we are giving them. I don't feel my data has done anything to improve my life or online services, but I sure as fuck know there are a lot of people living the cushy life by selling mine & others user data.

      While google does provide some services, not exactly sure anyone is getting there money's worth using them.

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  2. DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want to preserve your privacy, then DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE!

    1. Re:DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE! by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's probably the least of your or my problem. It just shows that you are a narcissist, but if you want to make a fool out of yourself you are welcome.

      A much larger problem is the ability for corporations without my consent track my patterns on the internet and can therefore be able to connect me to political opinions, sexual preferences and which bank(s) I use and possibly also my bank account number and credit card numbers.

      Disabling of third-party cookies do help to some extent, enforcing session-based cookies as well, but not completely. AdBlock can also help a bit. At least it blurs the image of me on the net a bit for the information gatherers.

      All those sites like "doubleclick", "tradedoubler" and similar - they don't provide me as a user with any benefits at all. And there are a massive amount of such sites and very few are in the default blocklist of AdBlock.

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  3. Re:I think so by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I use Firefox with the following add-ons: AdBlock (no whitelist), Better Privacy, Google Analytics Opt Out, HTTPS-Everywhere, Noscript, Privacy Badger and Self-Destructing Cookies.

    How are we supposed to know what add-ons you use?

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  4. in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Internet users by the hundreds of millions give all their personal communications to online ad companies, including Google and Facebook. They have cheerfully gone from running their own mail programs to using Gmail or Ymail for everything. They gladly blab the private details of their lives, with photos, to Facebook and Twitter. They kept visiting signs once banner ads started... and then ran javascript from ad companies. They fall all over themselves every time there's a new service that vacuums up all their data, when there's no reason for that data to leave their own computer.

    Sorry, internet users, but fuck you. The internet didn't used to be like this. You are the ones who supported turning the fucking thing from a true peer to peer network into a centralized, data-mined clusterfuck of overcommercialization and profiling. I don't want to hear how you don't like it. You made all the choices that led here.

    OK, to be fair: not every last one of you. But enough that those who didn't were a rounding error and could be ignored.

  5. Re:Wait, what? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "How?"

    Realize that the Internet is not the web. Install an ad/tracking blocker. Avoid, or delete your accounts on Facebook/Google/Apple/"social media". Pay for a domain(s), and use different email addresses for different accounts. Use a VPN. Regularly clear cookies in your browser. Vote for politicians who "get it," and truly understand the Internet, surveillance and privacy.

    Donate to the the EFF.

    There's more, which is left as an exercise for the reader.

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  6. Re:Really? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Willingly? Hardly. But it gets increasingly hard to avoid these things.

    By now you have companies that check your FB account. And if you don't have one and they can't find anything about you, they won't even consider you. Because, hey, if you don't have FB, you probably have to hide something, and we don't want you!

    It's also getting increasingly hard to sign up for anything without FB because companies offload the work of holding an account for you to FB or other such "services".

    And it's getting worse.

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  7. Re:Connecting the dots... by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My local grocery store once explained to me why they didn't use a discount card, they already recognized me as I walked through the door, and knew the receipt was mine because I was the only one going though three packages of Vanilla Oreos per week. See, when big stores exist in lightly populated areas, the manager knows who the good customers are. My father and I had a good idea what prices were going to lower two weeks ahead because we saw the sale prices at the printing and database companies we worked for, and were sure our store had the deepest discounts in the chain.

    BTW, former next door neighbors... the two of you were on the cover of a magazine there the last time I visited that store... with a story that can't possibly be true!

  8. Re:Wait, what? by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is the article implying that there IS a way to protect our privacy? How?

    (1) Hack the company's servers
    (2) Delete the data they have collected
    (3) Hope the do not detect the intrusion before their rolling backups overwrite their pervious backups which include your data
    (4) ???
    (5) Profit!

    Not that this is really recommended; they are bigger than you, legally speaking.

  9. ...Because it's NOT YOUR JOB! by tlambert · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to preserve your privacy, then DON'T PUT PICTURES OF YOUR COCK ONLINE!

    As we discovered in the John Oliver interview with Edward Snowden, it's the NSA's job to put pictures of your cock online, not yours!

  10. Re:They aren't even trying by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But you don't have to use Facebook... ...to be tracked.

    You know all those "share via social media" buttons you see everywhere? Do you think they just exist to make it easy for users to repost content? No, they're for tracking anyone and everyone who goes to those sites (i.e., all) who don't have the trackers filtered through the likes of PrivacyBadger and ad-blockers.

    And the ratio of users that use those is minuscule enough that the users of the blockers themselves (like me) can be tracked via browser fingerprinting ridiculously easily anyway.

    The general population is powerless against the corporations unless they simply give up entirely and go dark. What a nifty fucking choice, eh?

    Get down off your high-horse, Lord Farquaad.

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  11. Memo: People hate paying bills. by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes willingly, nobody has a fucking gun to your head to use this stuff, lack of willpower in a toy store is not "oppression".There's no trickery in any of this, you voluntarily (and often eagerly) sign up for a service and pay for what you use in either dollars, eyeballs, rabbit skins, whatever. Bitching about the privacy costs of of a FB account is like bitching about the electricity bill while sitting in an air-conditioned room, it will always be modded up because people hate paying bills.

    Of course government spying is a whole different ball of wax, nobody signed up for that!

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  12. Re:Wait, what? by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your use of the word "sheep" is the problem.

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  13. Yep. I'd pay money. by archer,+the · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd pay money for a Facebook or GMail that didn't sell/give my info to others. I can probably solve the second by running my own mail server, but I don't have the knowledge yet.

    But, of course, if someone were to try to make Cashbook, they'd end up having the community split between themselves and Facebook. And who knows, Facebook might sue over a patent.