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Emails Show How Industry Lobbyists Basically Wrote The Trans-Pacific Partnership

An anonymous reader writes: This Techdirt story shows how industry lobbyists influenced the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement, to the point that one even openly celebrates that the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) version copied his own text word for word. The email exchange between Jim DeLisi, from Fanwood Chemical, to Barbara Weisel, a USTR official reads: "Hi Barbara – John sent through a link to the P4 agreement. I have taken a quick look at the rules of origin. Someone owes USTR a royalty payment – these are our rules. They will need some tweaking but will likely not need major surgery. This is a very pleasant surprise. I will study more closely over the weekend."

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  1. Of course they did. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has become standard practice for the US.

    The industry groups write the treaty, and then tell the government what they want.

    Then the US government dutifully becomes lackeys to industry, and advances a position which gives industry ridiculous things which could never be negotiated in public.

    During this, they insist on secrecy so that the citizens of none of the countries can know that they're being heavily undermined to advance the interests of US businesses.

    Lather, rise, repeat.

    The US government isn't just advancing the interests of multinational corporations, they're advancing them to the detriment of the citizens -- which means nobody benefits from these fucking things other than corporations.

    Welcome to the global fucking oligarchy. Make no mistake about it, the US government are nothing more than industry shills.

    Fuck you, America.

  2. At the cost of the tax payer by Roodvlees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is mainly a way for tax money to flow into the pockets of people who are already very rich.
    Foreign companies are treated very well, governments want the extra jobs.
    Why do foreign companies need more/better rights than nationals?

    Defenders will say this is false, but it's what TTIP will lead to, like what other similar trade agreements have lead to.

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    1. Re:At the cost of the tax payer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The economists love to say that trade is great for everyone. But they assume that all parties have an equal amount of advantages and disadvantages. There is this illusion of comparative advantage. But at least with the US we are making trade deals for the sole purpose of businesses lowering their costs to boost profits and make their shareholders richer and their CEOs even richer; while we little people lose opportunities and jobs and stagnant wages. This country's structural unemployment and underemployment is indicative of this.

      Protectionism? Absolutely not!

      What we need is a business environment like Germany's where government, business and labor all work together for society's overall prosperity. In the US, labor needs much more power (unions) and business needs to be taken down a few notches. I think we need to move towards a German economic model - stop the corporatism in the US.

    2. Re:At the cost of the tax payer by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. This is crony capitalism. Free trade is great for everyone, with government's role being to make sure it stays "free". Nobody outside of the two major political parties will tell you that crony capitalism is good for anybody except the cronies.

      This is capitalism in practice. Show me an example of capitalism that exists without cronyism in the real world -- outside of the economists' idealized computer models. "Pure capitalism" is the economists' version of the "perfectly spherical cow".

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  3. Who is surprised by this? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has been SOP for years.

    The US government is now acting as a foreign policy arm for multinational corporations, and doing secret negotiations so nobody knows just how badly we're being fucked over for our corporate overlords.

    This is the worst form of capitalism, one in which all consideration is for corporations who have the government on the payroll, and in which the citizens of the countries get fucked over.

    America has been allowing corporations to write the trade treaties for a long time. Because America is essentially a corrupt shell beholden to corporations.

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    1. Re:Who is surprised by this? by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Capitalism devolves into fascism as corporations petition governments to do their will by interfering in the markets in some way.

      To be fair, I suspect much of this is the general dumbing down of our leaders combined with the increasingly technical World they are asked to govern.

      The Congressman need not understand (or employ someone who understands) with all those helpful lobbyists at their beck and call.

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  4. I'm not smart enough by fortfive · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to know how this thing will operate. Whether there needs to be an agreement, and what needs to be in it, must be decided by some folks who have some decent idea of how these relationships operate.

    The unfortunate part is that no one involved is doing anything to establish their credibility with regard to my interests. The people involved are plenty smart, but most of their words and actions seem to indicate that they have little to no consideration of my interests.

    Are my interests more important than yours? Of course not. Neither are yours more important than mine. And most importantly, neither are the authors' more important than ours, collectively.

    It would be nice to see some attention paid to that fact.

    1. Re:I'm not smart enough by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most of the TPP is your standard free trade agreement fare - removing tarriffs, stopping countries from favoring their local companies and punishing foreign ones, etc. If you're a fan of free trade agreements, you'll probably be a fan of it. If you hate free trade agreements, you'll probably hate it.

      The part that most people on Slashdot will hate regardless of views on free trade agreements in general however is the IP section. It basically imposes an even more rightsholder-friendly version of US IP law on all member states. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been railing about it since the earlier versions were leaked, like Issa's leak in 2012. It's not gotten any better.

      But as for all of the other stuff: 1) if you like free trade agreements, "Yeay!". 2) If you don't like free trade agreements, "Boo!"

      As for the secrecy, unfortunately, this is generally how complex international treaties are negotiated - the concept being that if the public is involved in every stage of the negotiations, they'll never get anywhere; there's so many countless details to iron out and a lot of give-and-take between countries. It's supposed to be fair because when it's done, the full text is made public and each country gets to vote on it; it's not like it suddenly becomes some sort of "secret law". But obviously whenever you negotiate something in secret it's going to make the public suspicious of it - that should pretty much be a given.

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    2. Re:I'm not smart enough by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please stop the stream of BS. Most of the tariffs and similar obstructions to free trade have BEEN LONG ELIMINATED BETWEEN US AND EU.

      This agreement is about demolishing democracy as the last obstacle of "free trade" where "free trade" means "governments having any sovereign power left to actually be able to legislate for their constituents against the power of capital".

    3. Re:I'm not smart enough by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please stop the stream of BS. Most of the tariffs and similar obstructions to free trade have BEEN LONG ELIMINATED BETWEEN US AND EU.

      The EU is not a member party to the negotiations of the Trans Pacific Partnership.

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  5. Same thing for TTIP and TPP by vikingpower · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Both are ways, for large corporations, to "externalize risks to policitcs, and internalize profits". The wording is not mine. Karl Marx already observed this practice.

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  6. But this is a new low... by Pollux · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it's common knowledge by now that industry can buy legislation. The new low is that the actual text of the bill is being kept under lock and key.

    I simply cannot see how it is constitutional to permit this to happen. While I understand that rules are being leveraged to limit its exposure (including the fast-track vote process), the spirit of the Constitution has always advocated for transparency and public ownership of government operations.

    I suppose what upsets me the most is that I cannot determine which I am more upset with: what's being done with the TPP or the fact that we don't have enough congressmen speaking out against it. As a representative of the people, any legislative process that seeks to erode the spirit of the Constitution is a threat to their constituents and should not be passed. I don't care if the text of the bill would buy every American a new house; the fact that it's being kept secret should be plenty of reason alone to vote it down.

    1. Re:But this is a new low... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      I simply cannot see how it is constitutional to permit this to happen. While I understand that rules are being leveraged to limit its exposure (including the fast-track vote process), the spirit of the Constitution has always advocated for transparency and public ownership of government operations.

      Secret courts, secret legislation. Pretty soon we'll have a secret President too.

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    2. Re:But this is a new low... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the fact that it's being kept secret should be plenty of reason alone to vote it down.

      This is one of the few instances where "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" actually applies. If the TPP is so great, why all the secrecy? If you've got to hide the details of a bill or treaty to get it passed, then maybe there's something wrong with your bill/treaty that means it shouldn't be passed!

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    3. Re:But this is a new low... by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Politicians are a reflection of voters"
      +1 Funny

      What they tell you on your cereal box isn't entirely accurate. If you can find 20 minutes every two years to go vote, perhaps you can also come up with 20 minutes once in your life to watch this TED talk by Lawrence Lessig and learn how american electoral politics really works.

  7. Not all of it is new. But something IS new. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    US Government acting as the strong arm enforcer for the US Business interests has a long history. But usually it undermined the rights of the citizens of foreign countries more than it undermined US citizens' rights. And the businesses were US businesses, which ultimately made them have lots of common interest with USA. What is new is, these businesses are no longer US businesses, they are trans national corporations, they don't feel any allegiance to the USA. They treat USA just as they have treated all the third world countries all these years, using corrupt puppet governments to sign treaties that gave away all the wealth of the nation...

    One small consolation is now some in the USA feel what it was like to be a poor South American or South Asian or African whose government was totally controlled by foreign companies.

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  8. Re:You want a Nanny State, Socialism, Big Governme by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorry, but you seem to be confusing a corrupt oligarchy for a nanny state.

    And that's pretty much bullshit.

    This is governments becoming beholden to corporations, and selling the farm for some magic beans.

    This isn't a nanny state, this is a wholesale co-opting of government for corporate interests.

    This has NOTHING at all to do with socialism, and everything to do with corporate welfare and stacking the deck for them.

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  9. FIFA 2.0 by johanw · · Score: 5, Funny

    And then the US complains that FIFA officials are corrupt.

  10. What could possibly go wrong? by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A law so secret that you can't even view it unless you're a congressperson, and even then you have to go to a locked room without recording equipment.

    But how could that be suspicious at all?

    And now we find out it's written and conceived by multinational corporations.

    And we all know how benevolent and caring *they* are.

    More seriously, anyone who votes for this has been bribed or blackmailed. It's an obvious takeover of nation-states by a globe spanning elite corporate-state.

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