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Canadian Government Servers Compromised By Anonymous

An anonymous reader writes: There was a cyber-attack on Wednesday by the activist group Anonymous, aimed at the Canadian government. Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney says no personal information was compromised. Anonymous claimed responsibility for the attack in protest against the recent passing of the government's anti-terror Bill C-51. "Today, Anons around the world took a stand for your rights. Do we trade our privacy for security? Do we bow down and obey what has become totalitarian rule? Don't fool [yourselves]. The Harper regime does not listen to the people, it acts only in [its] best interests." the group wrote in an online post.

79 comments

  1. Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I for one, welcome our Anonymous Canadian Overlords.

    1. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Fuck Harper x2

      The majority of Canadians didn't even vote for this asshole and now he's acting more like a corporate dictator than an elected leader.

    2. Re: Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll see your 2 fuck harpers and raise you another 4. Give em hell anons!

    3. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by StrangeBrew · · Score: 1, Informative

      Oh give it up for crying out loud. Regardless whether you're talking about the Cons majority Federally, or the NDP's new majority in Alberta I'm sick and tired of hearing whiners bitch and complain about how the combined power of all the other voters should trump the number of elected representatives who garnered the most votes in their ridings. I guarantee you that when your particular party of choice gets in power you'll be rolling your eyes at anyone who uses the same argument. You also act like past regimes, Trudeau (PET) and Chretien, weren't just as much dictatorial as Harper's. Go ahead and vote for your favorite future dictator next election, but step back a bit and be objective about what you're going to get.

    4. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to Harper, I am not a 2nd class citizen who the government can spy on me without due diligence.

      And I was born in Canada.

      Bill C51 and bill C24, look it up.

    5. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The difference is that previous regimes didn't pass quite as many omnibus budgets with blatant anti-Canadian clauses throughout, nor try to establish a secret fucking police in a formerly somewhat free* country.
       
      * no free speech, an obvious exception

    6. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by tbannist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh give it up for crying out loud. Regardless whether you're talking about the Cons majority Federally, or the NDP's new majority in Alberta I'm sick and tired of hearing whiners bitch and complain about how the combined power of all the other voters should trump the number of elected representatives who garnered the most votes in their ridings.

      Can you explain why you think the government should not be representative of the combined will of the voters?

      I guarantee you that when your particular party of choice gets in power you'll be rolling your eyes at anyone who uses the same argument.

      Potentially, but that doesn't mean that's actually the proper reaction.

      You also act like past regimes, Trudeau (PET) and Chretien, weren't just as much dictatorial as Harper's.

      I'm am genuinely under the impression that they weren't, feel free to prove me wrong, but all of the credible commentary and discussion I've heard from experts on the topic indicate that Harper is running the most dictatorial and partisan government in living memory. Additionally, Stephen Harper is infamous for his micro-managing, his stage managed appearances and his defiance of the experts on virtually every topic. It's why this conservative government is just 2 for 45 on court challenges to their laws and has picked fights with just about every group that's not a conservative lobby group (and some that are).

      Personally, I think you're using a false generalisation to dismiss valid criticism of Harper.

      Go ahead and vote for your favorite future dictator next election, but step back a bit and be objective about what you're going to get.

      It seems like the problem with people like you is that you can't even imagine there being anything between two polarizing options. Either someone acts like a dictator or they do not. Is there no room for someone who only acts like a dictator some of the time? And shouldn't we prefer a politician who, when elected, spends as little time acting the dictator as possible?

      I had high hopes for Harper when he was chosen to lead the Alliance party back in the day, but he's disappointed me at every turn since then.

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      Fanatically anti-fanatical
    7. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      So say all Canadians.

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    8. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 58% of Canadians say they would never vote for Harper or his Conservative Party (really a fascist party) under any circumstances, ever.

      So it's fair to say that most Canadians welcome the shutdown of the Harper regime.

      Perhaps they are saving the big assault for the October election and the Conservative Party's own internal communications. This should be fun to watch.

    9. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by Straif · · Score: 1

      The Canadian system is generally designed to be a dictatorship with rotating dictators every few years with the party in charge, especially if it's a majority, having almost completely unfettered control over legislation. No matter whose in charge it always looks bad. It's one of the reason we need real Senate reform to create a better check and balance system.

      I do know Chretien used the ability to declare a vote a matter of confidence several times to force his own party to vote his way. The tainted blood scandal being one that sticks out most in my mind. Liberal MPs were literally crying in the House of Commons while voting to approve legislation Chretien wanted passed but they disagreed with because he classified it as a confidence vote and if they voted their conscience it would have meant a general election would have to be called.

      I'm also unaware of any instances of Harper physically assaulting citizens because he didn't feel like listening to his security detail and tried pushing his way through a crowd.

      Overall, without any real oversight or secondary validation it's much too easy for the current PM to dismiss all opposing viewpoints and tailor make legislation only addressing their or their parties concerns. This tends to lead to some rather bad legislation (as can be see in some of the recently passed bills). Oddly enough it is the Harper government that has made motions of moving towards an elected Senate option which would help reign in the PMs power. He has already stated that if a Province elects a Senator when a seat becomes open he will adhere to their wishes (and already has in Alberta's case) and has at times made motions towards enshrining that into federal law. Of course, reforming the Senate in any meaningful way is one of the few limits on the PM authority since it would require agreement by the various Premieres.

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      Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
    10. Re:Yeah, fuck Harper by StrangeBrew · · Score: 1

      Thank you. There's also a declaration of martial law by PET. Adscam and a gun registry that was shoved down our throats by the Liberals and their pet Police Chiefs despite the huge opposition by the cops on the beat who knew it wouldn't work. Though I'm opposed to the comparisons to the NAZI's bringing in a gun registry as a first step towards confiscating all guns from law abiding folk, isn't it easy to see how any side that is in power is going to do something that can be compared to past evils? There was Mr. Dithers whose family company was moved off-shore to evade Canadian taxes....

      I never said I was pro-Harper, I've voted both left and right of the spectrum, always trying to pick the option that will do the least damage to the Country/Province/City. I am truly against omnibus legislation and wish it could be removed completely as an option.

      I also think that a party that isn't polarizing rarely succeeds. The number of people who are truly objective on issues is very small. Polarization drives votes.

      I wish there was a better option than Trudeau jr. this next election. With that said, I'll still scrutinize the party platforms pre-election and continue to pick the least destructive party.

  2. Conterproductive, perhaps? by jandersen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, Anonymous protest against a law that targets hackers by ... hacking? And this will demonstrate to the government and the public that this law is not warranted? Please explain the logic in this, because I can't spot it.

    1. Re: Conterproductive, perhaps? by Xicor · · Score: 1

      Same logic as protesting the taking of guns by revolution.

    2. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by phayes · · Score: 1

      At least we know what /. articles we'll be seeing in a few months: Anonymous hacker XYZ convicted to Y years of prison for participating in last year's attack of Canadian computer infrastructure...

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      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
    3. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anonymous hacker XYZ convicted to Y years

      So is his middle name a number, or is he going to get sentenced to Jeff years in prison?

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      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    4. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am going to change my middle name to "-10" to make myself safe from this.

    5. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      I guess it's the same way that hacking the PSN and handing out users credit card details was protecting us from the evil sony corp who charges too much for software...... The short answer is: there used to be a loosely affiliated group of like minded crackers and coders who congregated in the dark corners of the intertubes, IRC and other seldom traveled paths. They became hacktivists. Then they began a government operation to provide the pretext to enact the laws the "anon" group stands against. Problem, reaction, solution. I hate that AJ infowhore blowhard, but he's right about this.

    6. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilarious quote from Anonymous. I hear it from other Canadians weekly. No need for hacking to know the truth.

    7. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the law isn't about hacking. Bill C-51 gives the government power to share information about citizens between departments. It also authorizes heavier surveillance, stronger powers of arrest, while not adding any accountability.

      http://www.michaelgeist.ca/201...

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      "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
    8. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

      try using logic to convince someone to use logic

    9. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, this law isn't about hackers. It's about making every Canadian a terrorist, by default. According to this bill, the very act of writing here that I don't like Harper makes me one too. I totally get why this was done, and if you don't then you don't live here, or haven't been paying attention.

    10. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by phayes · · Score: 1

      No middle name, it's just a letter & he'll be sentenced to the base 10 ascii code representation of that letter -- Uppercase if he's lucky...

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      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
    11. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone can claim to be "Anonymous". Whomever attempted to hack the government was in the wrong but what they say about Harper isn't actually wrong. As I Canadian I am horrified by his behavior when it comes to the right to privacy these last few years. My country, along with the NSA and GCHQ and the rest of the five eyes have been shamelessly spying on the entire planet (including spying on other allies). This behavior needs to be called out for everyone's mutual interest.

    12. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It demonstrates to the government that their bullshit laws are just that: Bullshit. They accomplish nothing save taking away essential liberties.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    13. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      With a sentence that is so out of touch with reality and the associated "crime" that it boggles the mind, based on evidence not worth the name.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    14. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call it out as much as you like, it doesn't make any difference. The populace is tired and scared. Those who care about the issues are a small and insignificant minority with no weight whatsoever. Make waves and you only get detected and punished. When are you going to understand how futile is to keep fighting for a lost cause nobody cares about? Are you going to waste all of your lives and make your existences miserable for that? You're trying to perform CPR on a rotting corpse. Give up.

    15. Re: Conterproductive, perhaps? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Not really.. gun ownership is a constitutional right. Hacking is not.

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      Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
    16. Re:Conterproductive, perhaps? by phayes · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well for some people, even video footage of people discussing who and how to DDOS / deface is insufficient evidence. Not because evidence is insufficient to convince a jury to convict but because they are ideologically opposed to any limits to their imagined "electronic freedom".

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      Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue
  3. Theo, where have you been by udippel · · Score: 1

    when you were needed most by your country?

  4. Canadian Gay Detector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_machine_%28homosexuality_test%29

    Fruit machine (homosexuality test)
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Fruit machine" is a term for a device developed in Canada that was supposed to be able to identify homosexual people, or (offensively and derogatorily) "fruits". The subjects were made to view pornography, and the device measured the diameter of the pupils of the eyes (pupillary response test), perspiration, and pulse for a supposed erotic response.

    The "fruit machine" was employed in Canada in the 1950s and 1960s during a campaign to eliminate all homosexuals from the civil service, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), and the military. A substantial number of workers did lose their jobs. Although funding for the "fruit machine" project was cut off in the late 1960s, the investigations continued, and the RCMP collected files on over 9,000 "suspected" homosexuals.[1]

    The chair was like one from a dentist's office. It had a pulley with a camera going towards the pupils. There was a black box in front of it that showed pictures. The pictures ranged from the mundane to sexually explicit photos of men and women. It had previously been determined that the pupils would dilate in relation to the amount of interest in the picture. This was called the pupillary response test.[2]

    People were told the machine was to rate stress. After knowledge of its real purpose became widespread, few people volunteered for it.

    Contents

            1 Faulty test parameters
            2 In popular culture
            3 See also
            4 Notes
            5 Sources
            6 External links

    Faulty test parameters

    There were many problems with the "fruit machine." To begin with, the pupillary response test was based on fatally flawed assumptions: that visual stimuli would give an involuntary reaction able to be measured scientifically; that homosexuals and heterosexuals would respond to these stimuli differently; and that there were only two types of sexuality.[3] There was also the problem of physiology. The researchers failed to take into account the varying sizes of the pupils and the differing distances between the eyes.[2][3] Other problems that existed were that the pictures of the subjects' eyes had to be taken from an angle, as the camera would have blocked the subjects' view of the photographs if it were placed directly in front. Also, the amount of light coming from the photographs changed with each slide, causing the subjects' pupils to dilate in a way that was unrelated to their interest in the picture. Finally, the dilation of the pupils was also exceedingly difficult to measure, as the change was often smaller than one millimeter.[2]

    The idea was based on a study done by an American university professor, which measured the sizes of the subjects' pupils as they walked through the aisles of grocery stores.[2]
    In popular culture

    Brian Drader's 1998 play The Fruit Machine juxtaposes the fruit machine project with a parallel storyline about contemporary homophobia.[4]

    1. Re:Canadian Gay Detector by Code+Herder · · Score: 1

      So wait, the Blade Runner intro was based on a Canadian gaydar? Canada, we gave the world the canadarm and the fruit machine.

    2. Re:Canadian Gay Detector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound awfully interested ... would you like to touch my penis? You sound like you really want to touch a penis.

      Come on, you know you want to touch my penis.

  5. Thanks but no thanks by drrilll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I ever need Anonymous to take a stand for my rights, I will shine a Guy Fawkes mask onto the clouds. Until then I am more than capable of managing what I do and do not want to stand for. Do not presume to speak or act for me.

    1. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whoops - they had an opinion - they forgot to check with you first to see whether it matches yours. Because you apparently think that your opinion trumps their right to have a different one. But the truth of the matter is, while you're certainly entitled to have your own opinion and stand for whatever you like, no one else really gives a shit but you.

    2. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I ever need Anonymous to take a stand for my rights, I will shine a Guy Fawkes mask onto the clouds. Until then I am more than capable of managing what I do and do not want to stand for. Do not presume to speak or act for me.

      Morbo LAUGHS at your puny human ideals. Morbo will CRUSH you!

    3. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Your rights. You didn't ask them to, but they don't have to ask your permission. Nobody died and made you emperor of the universe.

    4. Re: Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The little problem is that sorry bunch of armchair rebels did even more damage to the "cause". They just proved the government right. Do you expect them to say " oh noes! we can't fight those invincible cyber warriors, they're too smart, they're geniuses. we surrender!"? No, they'll say: "See! We're right! There are bad hackers out there and we will stop them!" And the public opinion will say: "Yes, we want to be safe! More laws! MORE LAWS!"

    5. Re:Thanks but no thanks by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      Hi there, Morbo! How's the family?

    6. Re:Thanks but no thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BELLIGERENT AND NUMEROUS

  6. SSC couldn't help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean the countless layers of ineffective bureaucracy at Shared Services Cana-duh can't help?!

  7. Commit terror to protest anti-terror bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That makes no sense. If they expect people to respect them and support their actions, they need to not do things that endanger the very rule of law and find other ways to make their point. Otherwise they will be forever shunned and stigmatized by the law abiding populace that wants their information protected. -AC (no relation to the Anonymous terror group)

  8. Anonymous faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self delusional, diminishing the GDP is what it is.

  9. My rights on your behalf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who asked you to stand up for my rights? I didn't. Did any other Canadians? A bunch of anonymous hypocrites.

    1. Re:My rights on your behalf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do they have to ask your permission?

      If they wanted YOU to do it to defend your rights, then yes they should have asked. But they don't have to ask your permission to do what they did. Unless you want to order people to do as you demand. Commie.

  10. Its not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    even a real country anyway.

  11. Hey Anon, you've been outclassed by davide+marney · · Score: 1

    The days when a security breach is big news is so over. When the US Government can lose control over the employment records of every, single employee, this kind of playing around by Anonymous is just kind of sad.

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    "We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
  12. Ideological morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous is more ideologically close minded than the Canadian government itself. Im sick of these smug idiots stroking their egos in the name of individual rights when practically NO ONE asked them for any help. Go get a real job you cocky basement dwellers.

  13. Anonymous crying for attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like when John Lennon moved to the US. His music was horrible. His political views were a moronic failure.

    1. Re: Anonymous crying for attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least it spared Chapman a trip to Ol' Blighty.

  14. Shit title by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shit article, shit title. It was a DDOS, and in terms of impact pretty much nothing happened. IP based stuff went into failover, and there wasn't even a pick up in phone call-ins apparently.

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    1. Re:Shit title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was pretty low impact, but some incoming data did go AWOL for a while and such. But yeah, overall the damage from this "attack" was peanuts compared to, say, an IT security update.

      Or, at least, the damage would be peanuts if we didn't have asshats like Tony Clement jumping on yet another opportunity to fuck things up.

  15. lies by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    "The cyberattack and cyber security is an issue that we take very seriously,"

    "We are increasing our resources and polices to be better equipped to face cyberattacks, whether they are coming from hackers from a group, potentially, that has said they did it today, [or] state-sponsored or terrorist entities."

    if they took "cyber security" very seriously, they wouldn't need to increase their resources and they wouldn't have been hacked.

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    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
  16. Fuck anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More power thirsty than their "adversaries"

  17. All establishments act in their own interest by Coolfish · · Score: 0

    The Liberals voted for it (although they claim they were against it). If they had been in power, odds are Canadians would have gotten the shaft as well. The fact is that the political establishment only serves itself. It does not care about the citizens, or anyone outside of the establishment. Politicians lie through their teeth, or are so brow beaten by the fear, sorry, "security" establishment that they will happily throw away rights and liberties, because "terrorists". They'll tout completely discredited arguments (nothing to hide), claim that this bill isn't as bad as it could be (how is that a comfort?), and other nonsense all while the vast majority of Canadians are against it.

    We need a government, but we need a government that is *accountable* and controlled by the people. Politicians do not provide this. There's no way to hold them to account. Lose an election? No worries, get appointed to the senate! Or become a lobbyist! Or go work for the industry you most served while in office! Even those with good ideas and the best interest will eventually succumb to the corrupting factors of the system, or their voices are drowned out by the powerful.

    We need a government that is *transparent*. Not oh here's a freedom of information act, or here's some highly redacted released papers, but completely transparent. If our tax dollars pay for it, we should be able to see it - save for personally identifiable information for individuals. There is a dire technological need to be addressed here. There should be no secrets where corruption, and incompetence, can hide. $1 million in fraudulent claims by the senate, $24 million to investigate it. If shit was required to be transparent, the audits could have been down by the citizenry or news organizations, for free, in an ongoing manner.

    How do you have a continuing government that is accountable, that is controlled by the people (and not corporations, unions, those who fund)? I think it's high time we got rid of professional politicians and got regular citizens in government. A sortition, with an approval vote by the citizenry. A strong Charter that ensures all laws apply equally to born people (legal entities should not be entitled to these rights, and in some cases already aren't - eg prohibition of advertising, aka, free speech, for tobacco companies). And rather than a stick of accountability, a carrot of rewards. If the citizenry agree that the sortition did a good job, give them a massive tax free bonus. Reward good behaviour. If the sortition fails to do a good job, they get the median pay for the country. Incentives are there.

    I saw an NDP friend of mine complaining about the hacks. Claims that they aren't part of the problem because the NDP was against C-51. Sorry NDP, but you're part of the system, you're part of the establishment. A small, ineffective, mostly powerless part, but a part nonetheless. And it's time we put an end to this mockery of a representative democracy that is the Canadian Parliament, and get something that actually represents Canadians.

     

    1. Re:All establishments act in their own interest by Gramie2 · · Score: 1

      A small, ineffective, mostly powerless part

      What? The NDP is the official opposition! And not doing all that badly in the polls! Tom Mulcair has pledged to bring in proportional representation if elected, if you want something that "actually represents Canadians".

      I'm not affiliated with the NDP in any way (I've voted for them once out of about five elections), but Mulcair has impressed me.

    2. Re:All establishments act in their own interest by Coolfish · · Score: 1

      A small, ineffective, mostly powerless part

      What? The NDP is the official opposition! And not doing all that badly in the polls! Tom Mulcair has pledged to bring in proportional representation if elected, if you want something that "actually represents Canadians".

      I'm not affiliated with the NDP in any way (I've voted for them once out of about five elections), but Mulcair has impressed me.

      So what? What did the official opposition do to stop this bill? What could they have done? Nothing, and nada. Small, almost completely ineffective in getting anything done. My point stands.

      I doubt that proportional representation will have much impact. Certainly it's a less awful idea than First Past the Post (FTFP), but the fact that we are still dealing with politicians remains.

      When you go vote - do you read up on the position of the person you're going to elect? Does that matter, if they can go and change it right after they get into office? What exactly are you going to do to ensure that your politician represents the people? If this system actually worked, shouldn't we have better results already? Or do you think what we have now is really the best that we can do?

    3. Re:All establishments act in their own interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ok, Trudeau will fix the accountability and elections stuff by making it mandatory to vote (ie: Removing your right to vote and turning it into a "right" to do your taxes) and choosing cabinet ministers by sex organ. That will fix everything!

    4. Re:All establishments act in their own interest by Coolfish · · Score: 1

      I know you're being sarcastic, but whether it's Trudeau or the other guy or someone new entirely, odds of them changing anything to actually *fix* this broken system is pretty much nil. They don't want to actually fix what's wrong with the system - they've worked out how it gets them what they want, be it money or power, and that's enough.

  18. ya but ...? by beefoot · · Score: 1

    It does nothing to stop the C51. The right thing to do is to donate to the opposition party that would against C51. They need the money the could get to deliver their messages to the voters. Alternatively, compromise the political party in power, expose their scandals, etc. This is no more than public stunt that does nothing to anyone other than earning a few headline news article, at best.

    1. Re:ya but ...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > It does nothing to stop the C51.

      It got (some) people *talking* about C51. Without hurting anyone, or doing any actual damage. (Some civil servants - including me - couldn't surf the web for an hour, and Canadian citizens couldn't look at the oh-so-exciting web sites provided by the government.)

      I agree that supporting parties opposed to the bill is a good idea, but I don't think that an awareness-raising publicity stunt was that bad an idea either. C51 has already passed, we are beyond stopping it; the only hope now would be to repeal / reverse it. That would require a lot of political will, which in turn would require a lot of public awareness - which is presently lacking. As an awareness-raising exercise, I'd say this was a success. C51 is mentioned prominently in the article in the Ottawa Citizen about the incident:

      http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/federal-computer-servers-cyber-attacked-clement

  19. Troubling by mark-t · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bill C51 is particularly troubling... it has already been passed into law and as such may prove very difficult to get rid of by any later prime minister that disagrees with it without a majority government.

    The most particularly troubling aspect of C51 is that it empowers CSIS to break almost *ANY* law... short of inflicting enduring physical bodily harm on someone, or acts of sexual violation... in the course of disrupting anything that they believe, rightly or wrongly, to be a terrorist threat, including violating even civil and constitutional rights. That means they can imprison people because of their race, or simply because of what that person believes, for example, even if that person has done absolutely nothing wrong. if CSIS has any reason at all to suspect that such factors link them to committing any act that corresponds with a terrorist threat, a phrase that by itself is so loosely defined (in fact, it isn't even defined in this law... in fact, it appears almost intentional to have left it undefined so that CSIS could apply the term as they saw fit), that even picketing or almost any other form of entirely peaceful assembly that might happens to disrupt some activity that the government is wanting to push forward could qualify.

    It's interesting to consider, however, that because CSIS also outlaws the the distribution of terrorist propoganda, if, for example, Westboro Baptist Church were Canadian, then by Bill-C51, the government would have to ban the Christian bible, since WBC uses that text to justify many of their insane acts, and the bill explicitly outlaws the dissemination of literature that encourages acts of terrorism.

    1. Re:Troubling by Gramie2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tom Mulcair was on the CBC yesterday, and I have to say (as a non-committed voter who has voted NDP, Green, Liberal and --in a sad episode of my youth-- some Family somethingorother anti-abortion party) that I like the things he says and the way he says them. No hype, no theatrics, just intelligent arguments and thoughtful principals.

      With Harper, we will get a precipitous slide into government by the rich, for the rich; with Trudeau, a gentler slope but the same trajectory. I truly believe that Mulcair will try to roll back some of the encroachments on individual rights and liberty, and actually start us headed towards environmental responsibility.

      Is it possible that Mulcair will fall victim to the same hubris and vested interests as other politicians? Of course. But why not start out with at least a little hope for positive change?

    2. Re:Troubling by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 0

      Don't let the NDP's smooth talking fool you.

      Unless you're a factory worker making less than the Canadian average income, they'll likely fund their spending on cash from your wallet. As you're on slashdot, can format your posts to be readable and don't have any egregious spelling errors, I suspect you will end up in the payer's pile.

      We once again have a overflowing cup of political leadershiT. Czar Harper, Comrade Mulcair and Untested Trudeau. The wheel of fate is broken and stuck pointing at, "Here thar be Dragons."

    3. Re:Troubling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Better we pay a bit more tax and stop destroying our environment, our scientific establishments, historical data for fisheries and forests, ... I'm sorry what were we talking about?

      Harper's evils are actually evil. Mulcair might misstep, but it'd be in a very Canadian, "let's get things right and face facts" way. Trudeau is a wild card all right.

    4. Re:Troubling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly would be wrong for paying a little more for an ethical, non-corrupted, fresh new government that did a little more for people being screwed over now?

      For instance, look at Old Age Security. Even rich 67 and 68 year old Canadians as a rule don't want to fill up their yachts an extra time at the direct expense of destitute 65 and 66 year olds.

      Comrade Mulcair FTW here... If you don't like it, you could always join the Liberals the party of compromise and beg them to ditch Harper policies like Bill C-51 and Tar Sands promotion.

    5. Re:Troubling by Livius · · Score: 1

      Mulclair also stands for selling out *workers* rights - of all things - just to suck up to the separatists.

    6. Re:Troubling by Livius · · Score: 1

      The right groups -- fundamentalist Christians, separatists, money launderers, etc. - will be somewhat less targeted.

    7. Re:Troubling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, a couple problems with this comment.

      Firstly, CSIS does NOT have powers of arrest or detainment. They cannot arrest you, nor can they execute warrants or the like. CSIS is not the NSA. In Canada, we do not have three letter agencies. All the enforcement and investigation powers at the federal level lie with the RCMP (with CSIS as the one exception due to a past transgression in the RCMP). If CSIS has a problem with someone, they pass the information to the mounties, who then do their own investigation. Not even the government can order the RCMP around, they are an independent crown corporation. If Stephen Harper wants someone investigated, he would have to ask, and the RCMP can tell him no. Our founders made sure that the government has no actual powers of enforcement. They don't even control the military, the Governor General does.

      Secondly, CSIS does not have any powers to ban or otherwise restrict content. CSIS is only allowed to act in an ADVISORY role to other government entities. They have no actual power beyond the ability to collect intelligence. The list of banned content for import is maintained by the Export and Import Controls Board, a separate government entity under Industry Canada. Only they can actually ban content, and must be convinced of it's social harm.

      The bill is giving CSIS the powers to disrupt, and that IS itself troubling. But any such activities will have to be defended in court, and the first time it's used one someone who is not deserving, it will get tossed down. It has happened before (look at our poorly worded child pornography laws of recent). Remember, this is Canada. We do not have a state's secrets policy or executive orders. If the government goes to court with something, it's fair game. Let the system work it out and take off the tin foil hat.

    8. Re:Troubling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How, exactly?

      Isn't Quebec predominantly left wing and pro union?

  20. The final sacrifice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to put Zap Rowsdower on the the case!!

  21. Re:Yeah, by Layzej · · Score: 1

    This attack will be used as justification for increased security at the expense of privacy.

  22. Of course it act in its own interest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who seriously thought they acted for the people? They aren't the NPD.

  23. Harper regime hired rapists to gang-rape natives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Literally, a "secret fucking police", i.e. gang rape as a means of terror to further their policy. Both RCMP and Conservative-allied dirty oil and gas companies hired such people. Have a read.

    http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/how-to-destroy-a-political-movement/Content?oid=4679149

    Harper and Alward allies SWN chose to "employ the services of multiple-time violent offender, admitted gang rapist, and self-professed RCMP informant and collaborator Stephen Sewell of Pabineau First Nation. In 2011, under the pen name “Chief Poison Feather,” Sewell penned a tell-all autobiography that, in graphic detail, laid bare decades of vicious crime; sadistic, drug-addled violence; extreme misogyny, especially toward First Nations women; and extensive dealings with the RCMP, including years as a professional snitch. In his book, there are tales of police–sanctioned gang rape, infiltration activities into New Brunswick-based gangs at the behest of the RCMP, informant work at the Mohawk Nation of Akwesasne and extreme acts of violence against girlfriends and partners. The way Sewell tells it, he was so remorseless a criminal, with so few scruples or allegiances to anything but ultraviolent hedonism, that the RCMP identified him as a prime candidate for infiltration work. Plied by drugs, sanctioned violence and cash, Sewell claims he relished doing RCMP’s “dirty work.”"

  24. some reports mention internal communications also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some reports mention internal communications also - still unclear

    Harper regime will deny they were disrupted seriously, so we'll be waiting for leaks on this one.

  25. Stupid Slashdot assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a bunch of fucking know-nothings.

    Remember Trudeau, yeah the father of the idiot in charge of the Liberals, with Martial law, people put in jail with no arrest warrants, no cause. On suspicion only. With soldiers in the street. I WAS THERE ASSHOLES!

    Remember Chretien, with his RCMP bombing barns, secret wiretaps, etc. I WAS THERE ASSHOLES

    THE FUCKING STUPID LEFTIST ASSHOLES WHO KNOW NOTHING EXCEPT THE PROPAGANDA THAT THE FUCKING CBC STUFFS UP THEIR ASSHOLES!

    1. Re:Stupid Slashdot assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a bunch of fucking know-nothings.

      Remember Trudeau, yeah the father of the idiot in charge of the Liberals, with Martial law, people put in jail with no arrest warrants, no cause. On suspicion only. With soldiers in the street. I WAS THERE ASSHOLES!

      Remember Chretien, with his RCMP bombing barns, secret wiretaps, etc. I WAS THERE ASSHOLES

      THE FUCKING STUPID LEFTIST ASSHOLES WHO KNOW NOTHING EXCEPT THE PROPAGANDA THAT THE FUCKING CBC STUFFS UP THEIR ASSHOLES!

      Excuse me, but why would you want to wash their assholes?

  26. Some facts about denial-of-service (DoS) attacks by nickweller · · Score: 2

    "What is a denial-of-service attack? Most commonly, these events occur when mischief makers or hackers simply flood a target computer with more traffic than it was built to handle. ref
    --

    Please stop using the word cyber on a tech site ..