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Taylor Swift: Apple's Disdain For Royalties Is 'Shocking, Disappointing'

Mark Wilson writes to note that Apple Music, yet unlaunched, already faces resistance on several fronts. From the BetaNews article: It's not just smaller, independent labels that are complaining about Apple's refusal to pay artists any royalties during the initial three month free trial period. Taylor Swift has added her voice to the growing number of complainants, writing an open letter to Apple in which she says she will withhold her new album "1989" from the service. In the letter, entitled "To Apple, Love Taylor," the singer says that the company's decision not to make royalty payments is "shocking, disappointing, and completely unlike this historically progressive and generous company." Swift is an artist who could afford to shoulder the cost of three months of not being paid by Apple, but she has chosen to make a stand and stick up for those who are less fortunate.

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  1. that's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "shocking, disappointing" are the most common words I've heard use to describe Taylor Swift's music.

    1. Re:that's funny... by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      She is a pop-country singer that comes up on a regular basis with catchy tunes with clean lyrics, and she did not build a career on dressing like a prostitute or releasing sex tapes. Already that makes her quite unique in that industry.

      Not everyone likes pop music of course, but in that genre she is definitely top shelf, and her fight against bad music streaming deals is in line with pretty much everything she does. This is not U2 phony or Metallica greedy, this is someone using leveraging her position to help fellow musicians.

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    2. Re: that's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lady Gaga music is better. At least I remember her songs.

    3. Re:that's funny... by jetkust · · Score: 4, Funny

      Taylor Swift is shocked and disappointed at how pretentious that was.

    4. Re: that's funny... by imgod2u · · Score: 2

      The argument isn't about being paid or not but rather, how much. Apple isn't refusing to pay at all. But simply treating royalty as "if we get money, you get money". I see nothing wrong with this model.

    5. Re: that's funny... by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Metallica greedy is when you sue your fans.
      I used to like Metalica but i haven't listened to them since they started suing fans.

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    6. Re:that's funny... by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Informative

      She is a pop-country singer that comes up on a regular basis with catchy tunes with clean lyrics, and she did not build a career on dressing like a prostitute or releasing sex tapes

      That's true, at least she keeps a clean image, but her songs pretty much carry on the stereotype that a woman's existence is defined by her boyfriend or lack thereof.

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    7. Re: that's funny... by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      So if Apple offered a 1 year free trial, at no cost to them since they aren't paying royalties...what's stopping them from a 2 year trial? I guess the labels wouldn't have signed on for that. 3 months isn't much, but still not fair to musicians who aren't getting paid.

      One, it doesn't cost Apple nothing. The cost of the implementation is carried 100% by Apple.

      Two, what you say would make sense if Apple's intent was to rip off musicians. Apple's intent is to maximise profit from Apple Music. Apple believes that a three month trial period, followed by people hopefully paying $9.99 a month for the rest of their lives, maximises profit. Since Apple and musicians share the money, that would also optimise income for the musicians. Now Apple may have this wrong, and zero months free trial as Taylor Swift says is optimal. Nobody suggest that 12 or 24 months is optimal.

    8. Re:that's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >She is a pop-country singer that comes up on a regular basis with catchy tunes with clean lyrics

      Max Martin wrote most of 1989. He is a 43-year old Swede. The music today is all manufactured and tuned, like a McDonald's hamburger for your ears.

      Martin has written many albums for pop singers, and is responsible for a good many of the songs you might think that others wrote.

      http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/01/sound-sweden

    9. Re:that's funny... by Gryle · · Score: 4, Interesting
      To be fair, men are subject to similar stereotypes. "You're not married? Why aren't you out chasing tail?" "You're out chasing tail? Why haven't you settled down yet?" For better or worse, mating and its rituals are a pretty big part in any human society, no matter what your gender is.

      From an NPR interview with Ms Swift:

      Interviewer: Like I said, I am the mother of a 12-year-old girl, and she loves your music. Her friends love your music. You have a huge platform among a very vulnerable, impressionable set of the population. And I wonder if you think about turning your lens outward, turning it away from the diary page, and sending a broader message to girls who would be really receptive to hearing about big ideas and the big world that's outside.
      Swift: Like what kind of messages?
      Interviewer: Well, other characters. I don't mean to minimize the effect of a love song or a pop song. But do you ever think about writing about other experiences, things that might turn girls away from themselves in a different way?
      Swift: There's nothing that's gonna turn girls away from themselves at age 12...I think the best thing I can do for them is continue to write songs that do make them think about themselves and analyze how they feel about something and then simplify how they feel. Because, at that age — really at any age, but mostly that age — what can be so overwhelming is that you're feeling so many things at the same time that it's hard to actually understand what those emotions are, so it can turn to anxiety very quickly.

      I'm not a fan of Ms Swift's music (I'm not a 12-year-old girl) but I do have a healthy amount of respect for the way she conducts herself in public.

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    10. Re:that's funny... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, I guess they are never ever getting back together, then.

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    11. Re:that's funny... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, what do you suggest people sign about? Trees? Nature? Happiness? A day at the ranch?

      There'll only ever be one John Denver, I guess.

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    12. Re: that's funny... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're acquiring their or anyone else's music without paying for it, you're not a fan - you're a freeloading, (and to turn the tables right back around on you, greedy) leech.

      You mean like before the members of Metallica "made it", and used to dub tapes instead of paying for them? Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.

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    13. Re: that's funny... by theCzechGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since the property of being memorable or forgettable is very subjective, I don't see how anyone can be wrong about it.

    14. Re: that's funny... by macs4all · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't like Apple

      There. For the benefit of all Slashdot readers, I have edited the irrelevant words for your post.

    15. Re: that's funny... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean like how it's the artists' call about when or whether they should be compensated for the provision of their goods and services?

      The members of Metallica didn't respect this alleged right when they were young, why should anyone else?

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    16. Re: that's funny... by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Nonsense. Unique means that something is one of a kind. Suppose that you have a figurine, and there is exactly one other figurine in the world that is like it. If something happens to the other one, your figurine will become unique. Therefore, yours is almost unique, because you haven't found your hammer yet. After you do, it will be unique. :-D

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    17. Re: that's funny... by larwe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're so missing the point. There are *ALREADY* about seventeen billion ways those artists can get their free, no-royalties-paid exposure to the public; Spotify's free tier, Youtube, various other Internet streaming/radio sites, etc. Apple is trying to muscle its way into the internet streaming music business and build credibility for its brand. They are trying to get their marketing budget for free by riding the artists. It is APPLE that is trying to break into a new market, not the artists - it is Apple that should pay the royalties for those trial periods.

    18. Re:that's funny... by dj245 · · Score: 2

      She is a pop-country singer that comes up on a regular basis with catchy tunes with clean lyrics, and she did not build a career on dressing like a prostitute or releasing sex tapes. Already that makes her quite unique in that industry.

      Not everyone likes pop music of course, but in that genre she is definitely top shelf, and her fight against bad music streaming deals is in line with pretty much everything she does. This is not U2 phony or Metallica greedy, this is someone using leveraging her position to help fellow musicians.

      Taylor Swift's vocal range is among the narrowest of any pop artist in the last 20 years. Many of her songs sound almost monotone to me. Vocal range may not be the only indication of a talented singer, but someone with a very narrow range doesn't seem to me like a 'top shelf' performer.

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    19. Re:that's funny... by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If she wants to protect the little people in the music industry, she should offer to allow Apple to use her music royalty-free for six months if they pay new artists during the three month free period.

      This. Exactly this.

      What you describe is basically Taylor Swift (estimated net worth: 200 millions) bankrolling Apple (estimated net worth: 700 billions) because unlike them she cares about poor musicians.

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    20. Re: that's funny... by hjf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I own a store. If I want to make a promotional campaign or whatever, it goes out of MY POCKET. You know what will happen if I tell my suppliers "I gave this away because it was a promo, so I won't pay you for it?"

    21. Re:that's funny... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      Dude, she's a young girl singing about boyfriends, what the fuck do you think she should be singing about? Climate Change or the Asian Century? If you looking for a role model of Women's suffrage, maybe look a little further afield than the Top 40 charts...

    22. Re: that's funny... by gsslay · · Score: 2

      I'm going to give your work away for nothing. You'll get nothing, but it's ok because I'm getting nothing too. I'm fine with this because I'm already insanely rich. Your financial position does not concern me.

      What you complaining about? This is a valid model.

    23. Re:that's funny... by gsslay · · Score: 2

      If she wants to protect the little people in the music industry, she should offer to allow Apple to use her music royalty-free for six months if they pay new artists during the three month free period.

      A pathetically naive solution. Who gets to pick who is "little" and "new"? What if you're a just a bit bigger than "little" and just a bit older than "new"? Tough luck, you get to help multi-millionaire company Apple build a new business for themselves, at no recompense.

      There is always a problem when people try to draw an artificial line, where the rules totally change, in the middle of a market. Because there is always someone who falls on just the wrong side of the line that gets hammered, while someone else, practically identical, on the other side of the line reaps the benefits.

      Without sharing the risk of the free trial.

      Why should she feel obliged to share any risk with Apple? It's not her business venture. She's doing just fine without it.

    24. Re: that's funny... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      because two wrongs make a right?

      First, show that it was wrong once.

      Go on ahead and steal your cable or electric while you are at it I guess....

      Theft requires that someone be deprived of something. If you get cable without paying, you are using some of the power output of the cable system, it costs them something to provide you that even when the programming is broadcast. Same for electrical power. But if I make a copy of a piece of music, nobody is deprived of anything, and therefore no theft has occurred. Once you realize that, you'll spew a lot less nonsense.

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    25. Re: that's funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is an Apple marketing tactic and Apple is passing the cost on to tbe artist. If Apple wants a zero pay scheme they should consider the cost of paying the artists intheir marketing budget.

      If a retail store decided to give away Apple products for 3 months and pass the cost along to Apple do you think Apple would cooperate?

    26. Re:that's funny... by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keeping her album out while allowing the three month test to move forward makes the project less likely to be successful and more likely for new and upcoming artists to lose their investment from allowing their works to be included.

      Well you sure got proven wrong pretty damn quickly.

      Apple wanted to give away someone else's product for 3 months in order to drive demand for its own product. It really doesn't take a genius to work out why the people Apple was trying to exploit didn't like the idea; to Apple's credit they caught on and changed policy pretty damn quickly.

    27. Re:that's funny... by N1AK · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what it is; it's an idiotic position but a combination of Apple fanboyism and wannabe hipster disdain for Swift seems to be enough for some people to believe it.

    28. Re: that's funny... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      But simply treating royalty as "if we get money, you get money". I see nothing wrong with this model.

      Really? Apple has more money than any other company. They have a new streaming service. They want customers to use their service, because it's going to make money for Apple. The product that Apple is selling through this service is created by other people not affiliated with Apple. Apple, the most profitable company, has volunteered all of those creators for 3 months of not making any money in order for customers to sign up for Apple's service so that Apple can make even more money in the future. You don't see a problem with that? How about this: if Apple wants to not charge customers for 3 months for trying their service, how about that cost comes out of Apple's pocket instead of all of the creators? Your idea of royalties means that I can publicly perform any copyrighted work, and as long as I'm not making any money from doing so, everything is just fine. What do you think the content industry thinks of a model like that?

      Like she says, Taylor Swift isn't personally going to be hurt very much by this, either way. But what about the new band getting ready to release their big single, and the release date happens to coincide with Apple's free trial? That band was counting on success from this single, but now Apple decides that they don't get paid for any plays through their service? How is that fair to the band? You see "nothing wrong with this model", so how is that fair? Why should Apple ask that band to take 3 months of income off the table when, again, Apple is the most profitable company ever? If Apple is selling their new service, why aren't they paying the costs of the free trial?

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    29. Re: that's funny... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      And do the (mostly) indie artists, who ought to be tickled-pink that ANYONE is giving their music a listen

      Oh, that argument again, huh? Hey assholes, you should be THANKING us for stealing your product and using it to enrich our lives at all!

      You're an entitled prick. What about the band who went into debt in order to record their first album, and it's getting ready to be released, and the songs are good, and people will listen regardless of whatever Apple does, so they are expecting a quick surge in royalties when it gets released in order to pay off that debt and help launch their career. Now they get to stay in debt because Apple volunteered them for free plays? Wow, thanks Apple! But hey, make sure you thank Apple for letting you stay in debt, you miserable little greedy fucking simpleton musicians!

      Again, you're a dick. You should be thanking the artists for creating the music that you choose to listen to, not the other way around.

      By the way, I don't own a Mac. I can see by your username that you think everyone should, so you should buy one for me from my local Apple store, and THANK ME for bothering to try it at all!

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  2. Apple Should Pay - It's Advertising by pubwvj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple really needs to write off the cost as part of their marketing plan. This three months free is their advertising cost and should not be shouldered by the performers.

    1. Re:Apple Should Pay - It's Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It all comes down to money. Apple wants more money and thinks that they can get away with not paying the singers. The singers want to make more money and think that Apple should charge its customers on their behalf.

      Bottom line - Apple is within its rights to ask singers to give away their music for Apple's benefit, and the singers are within their rights to decline that offer. There is nothing shocking going on here - its just business as usual (with everyone trying to make more money from someone else).

    2. Re: Apple Should Pay - It's Advertising by davecombs · · Score: 2

      It's not that musicians want Apple to charge customers on their behalf, it's that musicians want Apple to pay them for Apple using their music, whatever Apple wants to do with it. There is a big difference between the two.

  3. Swift by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all that effort Apple made promoting Swift, this is how she treats them?

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  4. "generous?" by mr.dreadful · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been an Apple user for 30+ years, have done work for them, know people within the company, etc. "Generous" is not a word associated with Apple in my experience....

    1. Re:"generous?" by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

      I don't know, a cup of tea _and_ a biscuit when they wake their Chinese employees up at 3 in the morning for an 18 hour shift to accommodate another one of Steve Job's last minute whims? Seems pretty generous by today's standards.

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    2. Re:"generous?" by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

      I've been an Apple user for 30+ years, have done work for them, know people within the company, etc. "Generous" is not a word associated with Apple in my experience....

      It's just capitalism inaction, the maximization of profit. Isn't that the American way? Offer artists something totally unacceptable and make them laboriously negotiate you up to something a little bit above the least they will settle for. If you have ever tried to sell something you'll recognize the tactic, you ask 20 grand buyer offers 8 grand and eventually you settle on 14. The only reason this is news is because it's Apple that's doing it and everybody around here hates Apple. Poor oppressed artists vs. spawn of Lucifer, i.e. grade A clickbait.

  5. As always by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " Swift is an artist who could afford to shoulder the cost of three months of not being paid by Apple, but she has chosen to make a stand and stick up for those who are less fortunate."

    As always when people tell us, it's not about the money, it's about the principle, it's about the money.

    1. Re:As always by Rinikusu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has BILLIONS in cash in the bank. LIke, ~$200 billion. And yet people think it's fair that the artists man up and shoulder the cost of a few months of streaming.

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  6. Taylor Swift: Apple's Disdain For Royalties.... by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    something something something something.... I don't know what it said. The headline has been redacted by a big black, kinda square-ish looking thing with a number in inside of it. Should I file an FOIA request to get the rest?

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  7. Re:Not sure I fault Apple on this one by mr.dreadful · · Score: 2

    The music business model has been predatory against artists since the player piano roll.

  8. So, where's she getting money? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Assuming she's for real in this respect, I appreciate her concern for her comrades in the industry. However, She's pulled her music from Spotify, and now she's pulling it from iTunes. So...she's living off Pandora royalties and CD sales? I mean, the album has been out for quite some time, so she's made most of her millions off it at this point anyway and this is more grandstanding than anything else...but if it were a new release, would she really be this adamant about giving up iTunes revenue, even if it spent a bit too much time in the 'Accounts Receivable' column?

    1. Re:So, where's she getting money? by sribe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Assuming she's for real in this respect, I appreciate her concern for her comrades in the industry. However, She's pulled her music from Spotify, and now she's pulling it from iTunes. So...she's living off Pandora royalties and CD sales? I mean, the album has been out for quite some time, so she's made most of her millions off it at this point anyway and this is more grandstanding than anything else...but if it were a new release, would she really be this adamant about giving up iTunes revenue, even if it spent a bit too much time in the 'Accounts Receivable' column?

      Unless she has a super-special deal (which, who knows, with her market power she might), she makes way more off touring and related merchandising than she does the pitiful royalties from album (both physical & virtual) sales.

    2. Re:So, where's she getting money? by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      I didn't read her post on tumbler but from the article I read she wasn't pulling her music from iTunes. She's just keeping it out of Apple Music which is their new streaming service. She's still selling music through plenty of other storefronts, brick and mortar as well as digital. Not that she would likely miss 3 months of income very much.

  9. Horray for Taylor Swift. by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about her music, but as of now, I say, horray for Taylor Swift.
    Apple's business plan is "to get customers for OUR new business, we will give away YOUR music for free!"
    Yeah. So, basically, Apple is saying that they, the world's most profitable company, require individual artists to DONATE THEIR WORK FOR FREE... to get Apple's business started.
    And they're calculating that individual artists don't have any leverage, there's nothing they can do about it.
    So, it's nice to see a singer whose work is selling millions of copies per month standing up to them.
    Horray for her.

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    1. Re: Horray for Taylor Swift. by Fwipp · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you're interested in reading a bit more of her rationale, she posted her announcement on her tumblr page, here: http://taylorswift.tumblr.com/...

    2. Re:Horray for Taylor Swift. by zr · · Score: 2

      quite frankly i don't understand what it means for a public company to be "generous". give away investors' money? i dont think so.. thats your and my retirement money.

      i'd much rather apple (or anyone else) be successful in creating a revenue-producing platform for artists than be "generous". if that takes a three months wait, well, so be it.

      so far from the artist's perspective (who is not Taylor Swift) there is no platform like this.

    3. Re: Horray for Taylor Swift. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Three months is a long time to go unpaid,

      What silliness. The three months applies to individual users, not individual artists. She is greedily avoiding what her record label handlers negotiated with Apple by joining three months late after the big herd of new users.

      It is unfair to ask anyone to work for nothing.

      Possibly the deal is unfair because these big deals are negotiated by assholes based on monopsony power.

      But, this again? No you do not have a "right to be paid for your work." You cannot go dig ditches, fill them in, and say, "somebody pay me." This type of argument takes advantage of populist narrowmindedness, inability to imagine anything but their boring lives, and, frankly, their stupidity, because thinking for just a second about your elementary school capitalist indoctrination, or thinking of how your own experience surviving would be different if you weren't someone's employee, is enough to see through it. I would like to make it easier for artists to live with dignity, for more of them to do so and to do it earlier in their career, because people are currently not being paid anywhere near in accordance with how much I value their work. For example, people in advertising get paid a lot, and I would be happier living without almost all of their work. So do agents, record label executives, and other bean-counters hanging around the arts, and I don't respect them. But "right to be paid" as a principle is something even a child can understand is stupid.

      I think it's fine for her to withhold her music from Apple, but we should see her for what she is: a hot commodity that got greedy and tried to get a better deal for herself than everyone else got. It is just obvious. It's probably best to have competition among all-you-can-eat streaming companies, so getting a better deal for artists collectively by sabotaging Apple's product is a questionable strategy. We already know where most of our monthly streaming fee is going from Spotify's releases: to the record labels. The negotiation between record labels and artists is broken. The negotiation between streaming companies and labels is sane, at least by comparison if not in absolute terms.

      I am tired of overcompensating them for serving their art poorly: by dumbing it down to simple melodies, overproducing it, sexing it up, reducing its diversity. The reduction in their power is the best thing that's ever happened to music, so Swift's attempt to manipulate for their side of a bargain with Apple and presume to speak for all artists is enraging.

      These are not the complaints of a spoiled, petulant child.

      Yet they are still very silly because, supposedly unhappy with what her notoriously aggressive record label representation negotiated with Apple from a position of considerable power, she suggests that Apple be "generous." Nobody in this business is "generous," and I will call anyone caught being "generous" with record labels the fool that they are.

      I think she is a chess piece in the hands of her record label handlers, like Britney Spears was during the "music sharing" discussion (which was ultimately won for the record labels' side mostly by Apple's roach-motel iPod players, not Britney). Every time a new streaming service launches, the labels negotiate a deal then send Swift out to whinge about whatever they negotiated. It's the level of smarmy bullshit we've come to expect from them. I think things will get much better for the long tail of artists other than Swift, and much worse for Swift, after the big labels are just gone.

    4. Re:Horray for Taylor Swift. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are plenty of other revenue producing platforms than Apple's scheme. It's ridiculous to buy into the Apple Hype.

      There is no reason at all that Apple shouldn't pay 'promotional costs' for using musical artists as their sales inducement. The same royalties should go to the artists before and after the promotion period.

      With regard to 'investors'- fuck off. Your 'investment' doesn't entitle you to spoils from Apple's rip-off of content providers. Maybe you should be clamoring for some fucking dividends, not kneeling at the altar of Apple's huge 'war chest' of unpaid dividends. It's almost Stockholm Syndrome. But everything about Apple seems that way sometimes.

    5. Re: Horray for Taylor Swift. by gsslay · · Score: 2

      You miss the point.

      If an artist who wasn't already very successful (and therefore very rich) made this stand the world's media, and Apple, would go "So what, who cares?" and we wouldn't be discussing it here.

      In order for this to get attention it needs someone like Swift to make the stand. Whatever you may speculate her motivation is. Someone who has a genuine need and complaint about the money would get ignored.

  10. Re:I'm sorry, what? by iamacat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ah, the classic blunder of confusing physical goods with intellectual property.

    You can wave a magic wand to get a house cleaned. Someone is running a service where a significant portion of users sign up to pay you some change for each cleaning after a 3 month free trial. Is it really a bad deal, even if it did take you a lot of time to make your magic wand?

  11. Great PR team by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Swift has a hell of a PR team. She is in the news practically every other day for something. This is not done out of goodwill, this is a business decision.

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  12. Re:No business acumen by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    as they investment of time and effort requires serious dedication.

    A couple hours spent interviewing someone to hire to set it all up? Yeah, lots of time and dedication. I'm not saying she'd do it herself. She'd hire people to do it for her. You think Paris Hilton personally manages her cosmetics line?

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  13. Tim Cook will step in by kencurry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet. Apple has more to loose than to gain, so I predict Apple management will come back with some gesture toward paying artists for the trial period. That's the smart thing to do anyway.

    Also, good for her to take this role.

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  14. Problem is by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem is, the music isn't the artist's property. The labels claim all the rights. The artists theoretical royalties invariably end up being a shit sandwich, without much bread. The labels signed the deal with Apple, because they know that the artists have signed away all their rights already.

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  15. Re:Theft of Intellectual Property by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2

    With all the sound and fury about people "stealing" copyrighted materials, how is Apple getting away with this?

    Best as I can tell, EACH Instance should be punishable with thousands of dollars of fines and jail terms for those at Apple who authorize this.

    It's not illegal. Apple either has permission from the rightsholders for the music they offer, or a statutory right to offer it, and doesn't offer the music for which they don't have permission or a right.

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  16. sue for misuse of trademark by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, Taylor Swift, you aren't going to get much money out of Apple by complaining about how they license and sell music.

    But have you considered suing them over the "Swift" language? Obviously, they are using your trademarked good name in order to sell their new language, and you can probably get a well-deserved buck out of them so that you don't have to starve.

    Hey, it worked for Bob Dylan.

  17. Evidence that the copyright term is out of whack by tepples · · Score: 2

    I imagine Swift's reluctance has something to do with having a high-flying album still on the charts that will probably not be selling anywhere near as well 3 months from now.

    If the shelf life of a musical recording is measured in months, then why does copyright in the recording subsist for two orders of magnitude longer (95 years)?

  18. But Apple pays more later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A hundred posts and not a single post yet pointing out that Apple's deal with the labels, while paying nothing for the trial period, pays MORE than the anyone else in the industry (spotify, pandora, etc.) after that point. There's a reason the labels agreed to the deal; it's not like they're stupid or weak, after all.

  19. Re:Not sure I fault Apple on this one by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The music business model has been predatory against artists since the player piano roll.

    Correction: The music business model has been predatory against performers since the player piano roll.

    The music business has been predatory against COMPOSERS (also "artists," i'd think) since Petrucci first popularized music printing around the year 1500. You can read about the details here for example, but early music publishers and patrons generally took advantage of composers -- preferring to publish collections of "greatest hits" and getting copyright protection granting exclusive privileges to PUBLISHERS, not the artists who actually created the music. On the few occasions where composers were granted privileges in the 1500s, publishers frequently ignored them and published whatever they wanted anyway, without necessarily giving any money to composers whatsoever.

    You have to wait about 75-80 years after music printing first became popular before any composer was really granted a sort of international copyright privilege for his own works that seemed to "stick" (which was granted by the French king and the Holy Roman Emperor to Orlande de Lassus). Composers before that who tried to print their own works were sometimes sued or fined for illegal "printing without a license." (You think I'm joking... I'm not. And you think publishing cartels trying to control artists is new? It's not -- there's a VERY long tradition.)

    Anyhow, the point is that any new technology will always try to exploit artists during the period of transition. Moving music around on the internet in electronic form is barely 20 years old. It could be years or even decades before all of the "dust settles" and artists finally establish secure rights in this new medium... if ever.

  20. Re:"Moral hazard" by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard [wikipedia.org] -- that's what is wrong with this model

    This is no "moral hazard" because this is a voluntary transaction between two private parties. Taylor Swift is free to take the deal or leave it, depending on how she sees the risks and benefits.

    If Apple is going to invest in developing is new service, then 100% of the investment cost needs to come from Apple.

    You're saying that if I and a bunch of musician friends want to develop a new streaming service for some niche market, you want to prohibit them from letting me use their music for free to get the service started in return for larger royalty payments later?

    It's people like you and thinking like yours that creates the big, monopolistic corporations that we have.

  21. My 1,500+ CD collection is all I need by mfearby · · Score: 2

    I've almost finished ripping them to MP3, too, so who needs streaming? It's all classical music, which I doubt Apple include in their new offering, so people like me don't needn't worry about being denied Taylor Swift's mind-numbing bilge. For the rest of us, there's always Radio Swiss's free online streaming radio (Jazz, Pop, and Classical)

  22. Deeds speak louder than words by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    U2 phony

    You mean the phony who shamed the world into forgiving Africa the crippling cold war debts that were foist upon it. The phony who personally persuaded Bill Clinton to dismantle the IRA's Boston based funding? The Irish phony who stood up in Boston and definitely screamed "fuck the revolution" at the IRA leaders and financiers in their home town? I don't know what TS has done to make the world a better place but criticizing Apple is just not in the same league as Bono's "good deeds".

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  23. Re:There are two types of rich people... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

    Ms. Swift has a ticket for Ship B.

    Taylor Swift has somewhat of a prodigious talent for song writing and a knack for business. Not through money, but her personal talent. Just because you have a problem with her rare ability to pen a catchy pop song which made her rich, or don't personally like her music, you somehow think she doesn't deserve her success and should give all that money back? According to your logic people can only be rich if you work hard for decades? How many decades? Is 2 enough, or does it have to be 4? Or 6? What is the exact requirement of decades before someone earns their rewards in your world?

  24. Recognition won't pay the bills by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    Your model is basically saying that since the artists already did the work, "they're not losing any money or time" if somebody else gives away their music for free.

    Yes, you can say that. After all, why should you ever pay any artist? They already did the work, so they aren't losing any money, right? People are merely using their work for free without paying.

    Here's the problem: "recognition" doesn't pay bills. It's nice, it's flattering, it's great for the ego, and the net result is you starve. Apple's business model is that artists should be happy that Apple had decided to give their music away for free in order to promote Apple's new business, and they seem surprised that artists actually would prefer to be paid.

    Here's a tip for you, for future reference in case it ever happens to you: when you're being told "you work for free, and maybe sometime later I'll pay you", no matter how good it sounds, the deal is always going to be to the advantage of the corporation getting the free work, and not necessarily for you.

    Well, Apple backed down, at least a little. Good for them. Horray for Taylor Swift.

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