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The Town That Banned Wi-Fi

An anonymous reader sends a story from The Guardian about Green Bank, West Virginia, a small town housing the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. There are other telescopes nearby, too. Because the telescopes are so sensitive, stray electromagnetic signals are strictly regulated in the surrounding area, which is called the National Radio Quiet Zone. But the town is running into a problem: its population was around 120 when this began, and by now about 40 people have moved there because they want to get away from radio waves and Wi-Fi signals and other types of electromagnetic radiation. There have been reports of tensions in the town: tales of threats and abuse unfitting to a sleepy mountain village. And it is all the stranger when you consider that no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists. ... Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. ... People would walk towards [one woman] with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensitivity descended into a slanging match.

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  1. Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?

    1. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you read the article (I know, I know...) the people who have actually lived there for generations are upset with it because the crazies are showing up and making unreasonable demands (stores have to use certain kinds of lights, etc.) and are going out on the internet and telling other crazies to come live there. It's a (very) small town that can't support too many people, and the residents who've lived there all their lives are at risk of being forced out by these people.

      Instead of giving them space, how about we give them an appointment with a psychiatrist?

    2. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't there room for other loonies too?

      The problem is that the town originally had 120 normal residents. Now, 40 extreme sensitives have moved there, and have started stirring up trouble, like demanding that other residents remove neon lights in stores, etc. The original residents are not enthused with this, and fear that the loonies with drive them out of their own town.

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    3. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A week-long festival isn't really comparable to living somewhere year-round.

      Le Mans gets 250,000+ people showing up every year for the 24hr but it's fine because they're only there for a week.

    4. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Insightful

      C'mon, folks. What's wrong with you? You may think electromagnetic sensitivity is real or just hysteria -- but going out of your ways to "prove" "them" "wrong" seems just too much.

      Its more than proving them wrong, they don't need to do that. The point is to piss them off and get them to leave.

      Nut jobs who think wifi is bothering them are NUT JOBS. These kind of people are a problem in a civilized society because we can't just kill them when they annoy everyone with their lunacy. So the next best thing you can do is annoy them back until they go away.

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    5. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A bad customer is worse than no customer. First, "EMF sensitivity nutjob" doesn't like your florescent lights, then he or she doesn't like your doorbell, then he or she doesn't like something else. It's a no-win situation because you are trying to appease someone who is actually insane.

    6. Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?

      You're missing the story between the lines here aren't you? Most of the people here are as well. The real reason that the residence are complaining is that this is a tiny rural town in West Virginia and most of the existing population will not be able to weather any amount of gentrification. After all it was chosen for the site of these radio telescopes because there was never any pre-existing infrastructure to reconfigure or rip-down. The types of people that can just uproot their lives and move to a backwoods town in the middle of nowhere are either retired or independently wealthy. Either way that family home that some-ones great great grand-pappy built with his own two hands is getting knocked into the dirt where it belongs and a shiny new McMansion is going up. They're pissed because there ain't nothin' that brother-cousin Cletus can do about any of it.

  2. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like the recent vaccine scare. It is hard to prove to people that something is indeed safe. One off comment that something is dangerious our a dangerious word is used to explain it is enough to turn off their brains and go into fear mode.

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  3. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by smallfries · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is almost a well designed experiment. For counter-balancing it should randomise when something is being transmitted, and not, independently of the light. That would collect data on all four conditions.

    Sorry, I have to pick these things apart for a living and it gets difficult to stop sometimes.

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  4. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by oobayly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.

  5. Re:MASS MIGRATION!!!! by jo7hs2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The town only had 120 residents. From their perspective, 40 new people is a mass migration. Heck, most towns of this size are slowly decreasing in population. They lack the resources to absorb 40 new people, let alone 40 new nut jobs with bizarre needs.

  6. Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No, trouble like this (larger quote from TFA):

    In an effort to make Green Bank more navigable, Schou made some requests of local businesses. A Dollar Store was opening, but its fluorescent and halogen lights would be intolerable. She asked that they were changed. “They wouldn’t do it. And without the light it gets very dark in there, so they’re not willing to turn off the power.” She took to eating her meals in the senior citizens’ centre, where a gap in the lighting gave her some peace. But walking to collect her food entailed exposure to problem bulbs, so she would ask others to wait on her.

    Things came to a head. A town meeting was called. “She became very demanding, asking other people to turn their lights off or replace their bulbs,” said Stewart. “It was too much. And Schou was encouraging other sensitives to move here, and this is not a town with many jobs or houses to begin with.”

    Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. Another sensitive who moved to Green Bank was reported to have flown into a rage at the library, denouncing the “dumb hillbillies”. “People tell me to stop encouraging others to move here, and to stop bringing them into stores,” Schou confirms. “The hostility continues.” People would walk towards Schou with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensivity descended into a slanging match. Schou, who has called herself a “technological leper,” said the ill will went further: “I had a visitor staying, a fellow refugee, and the air was let out of our car tyres overnight.”

    At best, she is a nuisance demanding everyone accommodate her invisible disability that she has zero evidence for. At worst, it sounds like she might be trying to literally take over the town by creating a solid electro-senstive voting block.

    As for the townsfolk harrassing her, well we once again have only her word on that. And after almost a year seeing unverified and outright known to be false accusations of harrassment trumpeted in the media--the Guardian itself being one of the (very) guilty outlets--yeah, I'm gonna need some substantial evidence before I believe a word of that either.

    1. Re:Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So why is she not simply converting to Amish?

      They do not use electricity at all unless required to do so (by health codes, such as refrigerators in their food processing areas).
      They use natural gas for lighting, and all hand tools.
      Most of them are farming and have large open air spaces.

      In fact, since they tend to be closed-in, they are needing new people to come in so their incidence of genetic diseases would decrease, and refresh the gene pool.

  7. A rose by any other name by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A synonym for electrosensitivity is hypochondriac.

    1. Re:A rose by any other name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A blacksmith i worked with, was sensitive to magnetism, due to the levels of iron that were embedded in his skin, and his sensitivity in muscle control due to twenty years working with a wide range of hammers. He could feel qualitative differences in magnetic fields, which was great for diagnosing faults in electric motors. :D

      It's not outside of the range of possibility that there are people who are sensitive to this.

  8. Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit by gsslay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they interfering with your life?

    Did you RTFA? They are interfering. They are going about town demanding that other people turn off electrical stuff that they imagine causes their imaginary disease.

  9. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There seem to be two types of such humans: security guards for the building, who are very underpaid and unlikely to take sick days, their companies can replace them quickly. And cheeful pretty women with curves, who are still effective first contacts for making people feel welcome. And if they're playing the "wahhh, I need sick days!!" card, they're related to someone on staff.

    My father taught me "make friends with these people", and I *always* make friends with them and the cleaning staff. They work there, they're often treated like furniture, and they know material that the board and HR keep behind very poorly managed masks of confidentiality.

  10. Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True, but there's a bit of a difference. Someone with PTSD could very well have that disease (which is a mental illness) due to traumatic experiences, such as being in combat. You can't just wish that away, at least until they develop memory-erasing technology like in the movie "Paycheck". Similarly, someone with severe anxiety disorder may have that problem because of (or have it greatly exacerbated by) various life experiences, too much stress, etc. Not everyone is rich enough to just go take a nice, long vacation and relax.

    Someone who gets sick because of WiFi (even when the WiFi device is turned off and they don't realize this) is doing it to themselves; it hasn't been done to them. It's another version of hypochondria, and a lot like religion. With people with PTSD or anxiety disorder, there's things you can do to help them: give them counseling to help deal with their traumatic memories, do things to make their lives easier so they can de-stress, etc. There's nothing you can do for one of these wifi-hypochondriacs, because it's all based on their irrational belief about EM fields, which you can't change using logic and reason; similarly there's nothing you can do for someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old, or they're infested with Body Thetans or demons, because these beliefs can't be changed with logic and reason, they're completely irrational.