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AMD Radeon R9 Fury X Launched, Independent Benchmarks, HBM Put To the Test
MojoKid writes: AMD officially launched the Radeon R9 Fury X based on their next generation Fiji GPU and HBM 3D stacked DRAM memory. Fiji is manufactured using TSMC's 28nm process. At its reference clocks of 1050MHz (GPU) and 500MHz (HBM), Fiji and the Radeon R9 Fury X offer peak compute performance of 8.6 TFLOPs, up to 268.8 GT/s of texture fill-rate, 67.2 GP/s of pixel fill-rate, and a whopping 512GB/s of memory bandwidth, thanks to HBM. Its compute performance, memory bandwidth, and textured fill-rate are huge upgrades over the previous generation AMD Hawaii GPU and even outpace NVIDIA's GM200, which powers the GeForce Titan X and 980 Ti. To keep the entire assembly cool, AMD strapped a close-loop liquid cooler onto the Fury X. There's a reason AMD went that route on this card, and it's not because they had to. There will be air-cooled Fury and Fury Nano cards coming in a few weeks that feature fully-functional Fiji GPUs. What the high-powered liquid-cooler on the Fury X does is allow the use of an ultra-quiet fan, with the side benefit of keeping the GPU very cool under both idle and load conditions(around 60C max under load and 30C at idle), which helps reduce overall power consumption by limiting leakage current. The AMD Radeon R9 Fury X performed very well in the benchmarks, and remained competitive with a similarly priced, reference NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti, but it wasn't a clear win. Generally speaking, the Fury X was the faster of the two cards at 2560x1440. With the resolution cranked up to 3840x2160, however, the Fury X and 980 Ti trade victories.
All the hype around this card "its a titan killer" and it was gonna wreck nvidia and in the end it just matches.
I buy my video games for a couple of bucks when Steam has a Black Friday sale. Most games are five years old, but my current gen video card that I got for $60 runs them just fine.
The only people who should be buying the high-end versions of videocards (or anything, for that matter) are people who can actually afford it.
For the rest of us, the low-end and mid-range cards work just fine. I'm curious about the Fury nano, for example.
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Ditto. My card was all the way up to $110, which is about my limit for a single PC component because I'm cheap. I do count MB, CPU, and RAM separately, so there's a little wiggle room there. If I crank up the detail much in Skyrim, though, I do get less than 30 FPS with vsync on. I'm allergic to tearing. I miss ye olde page flipping days, in some ways of course.
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You don't need to buy this card if you're happy gaming at console resolutions. Even 6 year old midrange cards can push modern games just fine if you're willing to accept 720p at 30hz. You can even hook up the controller to your PC if you hate the easy precision of a mouse.
I read the internet for the articles.
I wish upon wish that AMD would give us some mid range cards which aren't rebadges of previous cards. The mid range 300 series are rebadged 200 series which themselves are rebadged 7000 series.
That's THREE generations of cards which are exactly the same. If i buy a new graphics card i'm not going to buy one that was originally released three years ago just because they've stuck a sticker with a higher number on it.
I want to support AMD, i really do. The last thing we need is for AMD to either go bust or leave the enthusiast market leaving intel to charge whatever they want. We need AMD to make sure intel doesn't simply decide to completely screw us all but if the only new cards they are going to produce cost 800+ bucks then i simply cannot help them.
But you get the joys of AMD's great drivers!
You'll have to excuse me if I am not chomping at the bit to go buy this card.
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Your solution is to ditch your 2015 your 2013 gaming system (Current year minus two) for a console that, if you crunch the nubmers, is as about as powerful as a low-mid grade gaming PC from 2010. You can say this objectively because current game consoles now use (customized) PC hardware.
The two year upgrade cycle hasn't been true since the early 2000s at best. You can game quite comfortably on 5.
With consoles you also get to enjoy:
Closed walled gardens
Inflated prices
Fewer available games
Lack of KB/Mouse input
Screaming 10 year olds
Paying for the privilege to play online games
Yes. Something like this card could last you years and years if you're not concerned with getting ridiculous framerates on ultra-max settings on the latest bleeding edge games. I'd even go so far as to say there's not much use for this card unless you're intent on gaming at "4k" resolution.
Since this is Slashdot, here's the requisite car analogy. Why spend tons of money on a sports car with tons of horsepower, when an economy class import will get me to and from work for a fraction of the price? Because if you're the sort of person who wants a car for the things that one does, then yes, that's the one for you. The sports car is for someone entirely different, who wants to go take it to the track on weekends, etc.
A few years ago I had a Radeon 3870 video card on my system. For shake and giggles, I ran Quake in 640 x 480 and turned on the frame rate speed. I got ~500 fps. The last time I played Quake was on a dual Voodoo 2 SLI set up at 30fps (IIRC) in the late 1990's.
AMD's cooling solution on this card reminds me of a skit from portlandia: Put a bird on it!
But in this case it would be "Put a CLC on it!"
I used to play video games on the Atari 2600 in early 1980's. Heck, I even played Pong when it first came out in the mid-1970's. But we're not talking about the 1970's and 1980's, and the 1990's weren't that long ago. If we were, you can off my lawn. Like 40 years ago.
Can it run Arkham Knight?
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So you gave up PC gaming because you can't stop spending money that you didn't need to spend?
I've got $50 that says even one of these Radeon R9 Fury X beasts won't be able to make Batman Arkham Knight run without wildly fluctuating framerates, texture pops, tearing and The Bat Man doing The Jerk while gliding.
Fucking Warner Brothers. I'll pre-order another Warner Brothers game when the head of Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc. comes and nuzzles her nose in the crack of my ass. They should be ashamed of themselves.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I think he just likes the fact that he can go to the store, buy any game with his console's name on it, and it is guaranteed to work. He doesn't need to worry about having the right OS, the right amount of RAM, the right processor, the right video card, the drivers, and so on. Of course, even if his system is set up perfectly today, the specs will change as his machine ages. In other words, a video card that will play any game today, will not play any game in three years. A PlayStation Three still plays every single game made for a PS3, from the games that came with the system on launch day to the games that are still being released today.
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I can go on Steam (Or anywhere else to buy games), buy any game, and it is guaranteed to work.
"Having the right OS"
As long as you're running Windows 7 or 8, you're fine. If you're running Linux, and you want to game, well, I suppose you chose poorly. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and feel it is definitely superior to Windows, but if you want to be a gamer, you have to run Windows.
Also, I can easily twist that argument back to you as "Having the right console". You can't play the latest Call of Duty or Halo if you have a Wii.
"The right amount of RAM"
You're phrasing it as if it's possible to have too much. 8 gig is plenty for ANY game. Anything more just means you can leave more crap running in the background.
"The right processor"
As long as its better than an i3 and made within the last 5 years, you're fine. You make it sound like there are "incompatible" processors.
"the right video card"
Don't buy budget cards. Always buy mid-grade unless you have the money to blow on a high-end card. Problem solved. It doesn't matter if it is nVidia or AMD. The days of having to buy a specific brand in order to support a specific graphics API went away 15 years ago with the death of 3fx and their Glide API. There's not even a such thing as an "OpenGL" card versus a "Direct3D" card like there used to be.
"the drivers"
These are easily kept updated. You don't even need to reboot to install them these days. Consoles have firmware updates as well, so this is a moot point.
Honestly, it just sounds like you've been out of the PC gaming world for a long time and still hanging on to old mantras. As has been mentioned in another comment, the days of needing to upgrade your computer every year are long gone. You can play GTA5 on 5-year-old hardware. You won't be playing at maximum graphics quality, but you can still get at least 30 fps in your monitor's native resolution, which puts you on par with the console gamers.
1. If you're constantly upgrading you're doing it wrong. You should only buy a new GPU that moves you up at least 3 tiers.
2. I guess you don't play any MMOs such as WoW, any RTSs such as Starcraft, or use any mods for Skyrim, Minecraft, etc. Consoles aren't always even viable in some cases. If all you care about is dumb button mashers such as Diablo 3, or Destiny then sure, knock yourself out. Meanwhile some of us will be checking out the free Path of Exile and other PC only games.
3. I've been building my custom gaming rigs since 1990. These days you can save a bundle by getting parts from NewEgg or MicroCenter. Order an i7, with a Hyper 212 EVO cooler, 16 GB RAM, a 256 GB SSD, and that $500 you spent on a GPU will give you a gaming rig that will last **years**.
4. I guess you don't care about framerate or resolution. Consoles can barely do 1080p @ 60 fps. Meanwhile over in PC land we're gaming at 120+ Hz with G-Sync / FreeSync Desktops resolutions are running at 2560x1440, the incorrectly labeled "2K" @ 3840x2160, or even higher such as Vanishing of Ethan Carter @ 8K.
Consoles are basically a 4 year old PC. Apples and Oranges. Different strokes for different folks.
if your game settings arent significantly better than console versions, or youre not pirating, why bother?
$650 is almost 2 brand new xbox ones for gods sake. you paid $650 to play console games, at near console settings, for the length of a single console generation. great job. and on top of that, you get the extra fun of maintaining a PC OS.
was this supposed to be impressive?
"I could have not upgraded a thing and kept right on playing"
on a 7750? an AMD 7750? the one with 1GB of vram? the one that gets 26fps at 1280x1024 in battlefield 3 at max settings?!
I can go on Steam (Or anywhere else to buy games), buy any game, and it is guaranteed to work.
As much as I want to agree with you this just isn't the case. I'll raise you Arkham Knight which was pulled from Steam. Receiving lots of negative reviews due to being a shoddy port. Oops.
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What you have claimed is not true at all. Arkham Knight was not pulled from Steam - anybody who was unhappy with the crap they released could get their money back. No questions asked. So the guarantee that the OP claimed does exist on Steam. Either it works (to your personal satisfaction) or you get a full refund.
Remind me, which consoles let you do that?
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What you have claimed is not true at all. Arkham Knight was not pulled from Steam - anybody who was unhappy with the crap they released could get their money back. No questions asked.
Show me where you can buy it on Steam? I linked to the store page, if you look at that page you'll notice you can't buy it until Fall 2015. What's that called when something is released and then unable to be purchased?
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All future sales of the PC version of AK have been suspended by Warner Brothers until further notice.
Regardless, one shitty game doesn't mean anything.
"Batman: Arkham Knight will be available on SteamOS, Linux and Mac in Fall 2015."
Sales of Batman: Arkham Knight have been temporarily suspended while Warner Brothers works to address performance issues.
Guaranteed to work my ass.
Remind me, which consoles let you do that?
Fuck consoles.
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Ok fair point, I updated my blog feed and saw that they have pulled it completely (from steam and all physical retail channels as well).
You seem to have a different definition of guaranteed. Normally when somebody offers a guarantee it means that they are confident enough that it works that they will cover your cost if it fails. That is exactly what has happened for buyers on steam. Are you using some other definition of "guarantee"?
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I can't speak for their specific choices, but sometimes games are chosen for the variety of their demands not the specific demand of a title itself, or its ubiquity in previous comparisons as a point of reference. Also, some games tax the shaders more and some games tax the memory more, and some games are poorly optimized resulting in untrustworthy results. They build a "benchmark suite" based on these factors and use it for a good half year or a year. Bioshock Infinite is a demanding and beautiful game at high settings, and was used as a performance target when it was released, so you can compare it to older cards previously benchmarked as a point of reference.
Also, for the high end cards, most of the benchmarks for these are being done at QHD/4K. Because of these newer resolutions, there's a big demand for powerful cards that can run at those resolutions all the way up to 120FPS. Graphics cards makers have a lot of headroom to work with, 50% performance increases would be well received right now and not be considered excessive.
And you used to get to play games with much more realism, but I guess you can't have everything if you don't want to pay for it.
Yes, after googling I'm confirmed to be using a completely imaginary definition. :(* in my tired stupor I was equating guarantee with "it does work". I cede the point!
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Pshaw! I had the Intellivision AND the Odyssey from Motorola. Somewhere, in my basement, I still have both. I also have a non-working Pac-Man and Super Street Fighter II standup that I want to turn into MAME boxes but I have yet to get around to doing either. I have kept or repurchased a lot of the stuff that I had when I was younger. I can not find my old PET box and have yet to find one for sale locally.
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The whole refund concept is not pertinent. The conversation's topic is about something else entirely - in this case being guaranteed to work. The use of the word guarantee may have been the cause for the confusion. In this case it means certain to work - not that you will be refunded. If a video game on a console fails to work then you will certainly get a refund for that as well. I suppose, there could be an outlier which would mean you would have to demonstrate why it did not work. The only reason that I can think of for it to not work would be due to console modifications, if that is the case then you most likely will have a difficult time getting a refund. Then again, I am no longer a gamer, so I may be missing something.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Ah, crap. I should have scrolled down. ;-) I did not notice your reply and responded saying basically the same thing up to, and including, the whole point being that you had probably mistaken the usage of the word guarantee to mean that it has a guarantee that provided for a refund in the case of a defect and not guaranteed in the sense that it was certain to work. Also, a trivial point, I mentioned that it would be quite likely that one would get a refund for a non-working console game as well. If it did not work then it is highly unlikely that it would have been released.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
To be fair it does mean something when the assertion includes the words "all" and "guaranteed." That is why I try to avoid stating such certainties as much as possible. Very few things are certain, guaranteed, or (in the case of discussions typically found here) are able to accurately include the word "all" as a quantifier.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
a formal promise or assurance (typically in writing) that certain conditions will be fulfilled, especially that a product will be repaired or replaced if not of a specified quality and durability.
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No worries, we're on the same page :) I've done the same thing myself, cheers!
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