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France Could Offer Asylum To Assange, Snowden
HughPickens.com writes: The Intercept reports that in the aftermath of the NSA's sweeping surveillance of three French presidents, French Justice Minister Christiane Taubira thinks National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange might be allowed to settle in France. Taubira was asked about the NSA's surveillance of three French presidents, disclosed by WikiLeaks this week, and called it an "unspeakable practice." Taubira's comments echoed those in an editorial in France's leftist newspaper Libération that France should respond to the U.S.'s "contempt" for its allies by giving Edward Snowden asylum. France would send "a clear and useful message to Washington, by granting this bold whistleblower the asylum to which he is entitled," wrote editor Laurent Joffrin in an angry editorial titled "Un seul geste" — or "A single gesture." (google translate) If Paris offers Snowden asylum, it will be joining several other nations who have done so in the past, including Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela. However, Snowden is still waiting in Moscow to hear from almost two dozen other countries where he has requested asylum.
Presumably on Corsica
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Never happen...the NSA will threaten to withhold future intelligence. France will back down
So, basically, "not going to happen".
Dear Lord: One of your creatures may be hurt tonight. Please let it be the other creature.
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People seriously believe that intelligence agencies are not snooping on foreign national leaders?
RLY?
The people who these agencies SHOULD be spying on?
Just wondering.
Why is Snark Required?
The second Assange steps out of that embassy, he's going to be swarmed by cops and soldiers pretending this is all about some bullshit rape charge in Sweden. And the second Snowden leaves Russian airspace, he's in serious danger.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Oh, you poor dears! Of course, we the American people, hold French culture and the French people in the highest regard, you cute little cheese eating surrender monkeys!
Fine.
A) He can't get to France without stepping out of the door.
B) We arrest him the second he does that.
C) He stands trial for skipping bail etc. (unfortunately, his life in the embassy is prima facie evidence of guilt in that case, no matter the mitigating circumstances).
D) He serves whatever sentence he gets for that (hard to imagine he doesn't get one).
E) Then we're required to honour any EU warrant that was issued.
F) Then he's either out of UK hands, or able to go to France freely anyway.
After that you can discuss whether or not asylum in France is justified - methinks that the political climate may have changed somewhat by then (in which direction, who knows)?
Why should the NSA spy on French presidents?
Why wouldn't they? First off, nation states spy on each other. Friend or foe doesn't play into it. Any nation that has the capability to spy on another nation will use that capability. Second, friends don't always stay friends and France hasn't exactly been the closest of allies to the US. Third, France has nuclear weapons and anyone who has nuclear weapons is going to be targeted for spying to make sure they aren't up to something dangerous. Nobody thinks it is likely that France is going to do anything weird but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Finally, France has communications with the leadership of other countries, some of which are far less friendly to the US than France is. Some of these communications are likely very interesting to US intelligence services. While the NSA might not be super interested in what the French president is up to, they probably are interested in some of the parties he is talking to.
Exactly where in the NSA mission statement is this covered?
Twenty seconds on wikipedia would have answered that question for you. This is exactly the job of the NSA, particularly for SIGNINT. You might find their mission to be troubling and I might even agree but it IS their job.
They should be spying on (real) terrorists and neutral/enemy countries, not on friendly/allied countries.
Grow up. There is no such thing as a true friend among nation states. If you think France isn't spying on the US as well then you are naive and haven't read any of your history books. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. Spying between even the most ostensibly friendly of nations is a routine and commonly accepted occurrence. Countries that are friends today can easily be adversaries tomorrow and the US and France haven't had the closest of relationships.
Is it sad that this is the state of affairs in this world? Of course. But don't be blind about how the real world works.
They have a proud tradition of protecting pedophiles and rapists.
"They have a proud tradition of protecting pedophiles and rapists."
And lots of black US civil rights fighters in the sixties.
France is "upset" just like Germany was "upset" just like we're "upset" the Chinese are hacking us.
NOBODY is going to DO ANYTHING.
France won't give Snowden asylum. Assange hasn't even _asked_ _anyone_ for _asylum_.
Seriously, stop making up shit and go read google news or something.
M
Yeah, and sometimes those interests are best served by making agreements with your G8 next-of-kin and remaining true to your word.
Here's a question for you. How often does your wife bug-sweep your bedroom? People don't have marriages, they have interests within sexual alliances.
It's the preferred location for exiling troublesome political figures with French ties.
See if I can post today without all the damned errors :|
This may sound odd, but I am of the opinion Mr. Snowden would be safer staying in Russia than he would in France. The United States and their allies ( assuming they don't piss ALL of them off by getting caught spying on them ) don't have the ability to freely operate in Russia. This makes it a bit more difficult to snatch such a high priority "prize" right off the street, never to be heard from again.
There also exists the risk of future administrations in France cozying back up to the United States, putting their freedom in jeopardy once again. ( Granted, the same can happen in Russia, but is far less likely )
So, unless Russia is as bad as the Western Media likes to portray, ( unlikely, but I've never been so can't say for myself ) I would think long and hard about leaving the safety of her borders.
*Having grown up during the Cold War era, it's interesting to note how much things have changed. When US Citizens feel the need to flee to Russia ( or any non-US ally ) to escape what would most certainly be an unfair trial ( assuming you even receive one ), it has truly become a bizarre world.
Don't go there guys!
But seriously. This whole "they are spying on us" situation is a bit absurd. France, famed for their industrial espionage, is surprised that US Intelligence is doing their job? NSA just had been unlucky that it was uncovered, with the help of whistleblowing, and leaks. Germany spies on its people with the use of foreign intelligence.
Terrorist attack in France today.
Everybody here got a nice flashback of Charlie Hebdo this morning.
"Thank god we just passed our own patriot act" is the reaction of most French politicians today.
Never mind that the fucker was already under surveillance, we need more of it.
There is a 20+ year old John Doe warrant for him by the US gov't that could result in his execution. He is safe in the UK and won't be safe in France or Sweden.
Easy. Tomorrow Assange joins a French Foreign Legion using a ("declared identity") Jacques Clouseau. A day later he gets into a fist fight with a person working for the Ecuadorian embassy. Bloody nosed "Jacques Clouseau" then applies for a French citizenship under a provision Français par le sang versé" ("French by spilled blood").
Next day "Jacques Clouseau" gets his French citizenship granted. One hour after that France announces couple of new diplomatic post opening in London. A day later "Jacques Clouseau" applies for that position and gets selected. France sends a letter to British foreign office informing of a newly selected French diplomat "Jacques Clouseau" who will be shortly arriving to French embassy in London. British Foreign Office welcomes the new French diplomat to England.
A French diplomat "Jacques Clouseau" then steps out of a Ecuadorian embassy.
Thank you for pointing this out. Most people don't realize it.
France dropped out as a full member of NATO in 1966, ordering most non-French forces out, and didn't rejoin it until 2009. The original purpose was so that France could potentially come to a separate peace with the Warsaw Pact nations if it didn't agree with the reasons for a war with them. This didn't last long, as a secret agreement for France to rapidly re-integrate into NATO forces was signed soon after.
However, it caused a great deal of mistrust in other countries, and France has maintained interests in other countries around the world, not always for the betterment of those outside of France. It's strongly suspected of being behind the Israeli nuclear arms program, something that was originally opposed by the United States because it risked rising tensions in the Middle East where the Soviets had a strong presence in countries such as Egypt, Iraq, and Syria. France has also been caught conducting industrial espionage in numerous countries including the United States, and there's little reason to think that they've stopped there. The country has an international independence streak much longer than that of the US, and it's not likely to change anytime soon.
Nations spy on other nations, because almost every one has been assured of something and then been stabbed in the back. Reagan told Thatcher that the US had no intention of invading Grenada even as forces were moving in, and the attack began just a few hours later. I'm sure that as much as Thatcher may have forgiven Reagan later, plans were put in place to try to catch this kind of thing at an earlier stage, whether through satellites, photography from chartered aircraft, and 'tourists' who happen to be near key locations, or through traditional espionage techniques of stealing or turning people.
It's an understood game. Everyone does it, everyone tries to stop it. They get better at both sides, and the dance continues.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Read what is written on the inside.
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This is a national monument called the "Peace Arch", sitting on a border crossing. We will not be adversaries tomorrow. Granted, we might have some difference in specific interests, but our nations will not be adversaries tomorrow. We're friends.
I am happy that somebody is ready to protect whistleblowers like Snowden. It is quite clear that his fellow Americans will not.
The Bail Act of 1976 says otherwise. Section 6, Offence of absconding by person released on bail, says in part:
He was granted bail (which was posted by followers) in a criminal proceeding (extraditions are criminal proceedings). He was ordered to return on a specific day and failed to do so. He was granted chances to return in order that his bail would be returned to those who had donated to it, but still did not, and the bail was revoked and the money kept by the Crown. Unless Assange can prove that his failure to appear was reasonable, he's in for three months at a minimum but it could be up to 12 months, plus a possible fine.
I don't know that any country would make bail jumping not be a crime. It's intentionally evading criminal prosecution. Assange will probably never get bail again anywhere in his life.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
"US and France haven't had the closest of relationships."
Ingrate, remember the US Independence War?
"Here's a question for you. How often does your wife bug-sweep your bedroom? People don't have marriages, they have interests within sexual alliances."
This is a poor analogy at best. Are you married? Spouses are constantly secretly keeping tabs on one another without being overt. They are eyeing what one another is doing and spending on a regular basis. And though they aren't necessarily doing it all super covertly, they aren't always open about it.
You're all defending the spying operations targeted at the leaders of foreign allies, but nobody really cares about that. Merkel knew full well she was being spied on simply because she was also spying, I see no problem here. We're all outraged about the spying targeted at the working public for relatively minor (compared to international relations) crimes, especially by the citizens' own government. Yes there's a 'slippery slope' arguement, but we can't realistically stop all spying, so lets focus on the particular type of spying that we really care about stopping. The NSA spying on Angela Merkel's professional dealings isn't that.
You've obviously never played Star Trek: Elite Force. Black Vulcans are the deadliest Vulcans!
Go let Tuvok kick your ass for a while and get back to us.
Oh, I'm sorry that doesn't really prove anything. Nevermind.
They often change their policies on a turn of an election or public opinion.
In fact, less democratic forces often embolden their followers by saying that the democratic countries will lose interest or determination and give them a victory by default. They're often right.
Absent some sort of very strong constitutional guarantee, Assange would be one election (or one cabinet meeting) from being deported.
It's unlikely that the Russians will be making up with the US any time soon even if Putin died or was replaced, so he should stay there.
Is not that we're all being spied on. ( Which, I should note, I think is evil and should stop)
It's that every country that's moaning about being spied upon, given the exact same resources, would do it themselves in a heartbeat.
One does not get the new French identity paperwork and right to live in France until after one has served a complete tour in the Legion and been honorably discharged. There are no political or celebrity postings to the Legion. The French take the Legion really f'ing serious. Its training is no joke, its effectively at a special forces level. The reason the French take the Legion so serious is because it is a highly capable force that can be deployed without domestic political consequences, it foreigners not French kids, in particular French conscripts. They would not f' with the Legion's esprit de corps for Assange.
Imagine two US Ranger brigades (7,000'ish men) that the President of the US could send anywhere around the globe without domestic political consequences. That is effectively what France has.
Oh, but surely, Obama, our fearless defender of all that is good and just, Constitutional scholar and gentleman, would never, ever resort to such methods!
Actually Obama does not lean towards capture and extraction, he leans towards assassination via drones. Capture and extract was the previous guy.
It is a well known tenet of software engineering that sometimes you just have to accept that a software product has come to the end of its useful life. That it is so bloated and kludged up and incomprehensible that a complete rewrite is warranted rather than ongoing extension and maintenance of the existing mess.
Sort of like the IRS regulations.
I'm not sure either Snowden or Assange could live in France in safety anyway. France is subject to European Arrest Warrants. Snowden might be safe from those but if I were him I'd prefer a country like Iceland.
France granted asylum to convicted fugitive child rapist Roman Polanski. The victim was 13 years old. After pleading guilty he fled to France before sentencing. No US and European arrest warrant interfered with his 30+ year stay in France.
And the US re-paid the debt to France in WW2 and there are thousands of US graves on French soil as a reminder. France helped the United States in it's independence struggle but the only reason they did it was to stick it to Britain. The exact same calculus practiced today when deciding who a country supports.
"It's an understood game. Everyone does it, everyone tries to stop it. They get better at both sides, and the dance continues."
Good observation about hypocrisy. I would expand on that by noting it still represents bad behavior. Everyone see's some other nation spying on them as act of aggression against their country. There is good reason for this. It is. Mass surveillance is wrong... especially against your friends. How would anyone react if they caught their alleged buddy in the bushes taking pictures?
This hypocrisy needs to end. There have to be international agreements put in place that forbid mass surveillance in very specific ways along with agreed upon penalties if some nation is caught cheating. Make it explicitly a human rights violation and crime against humanity (with forced long term jail terms for any politician caught doing it)
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Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
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OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
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"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
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* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
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* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
The flip side of diplomatic immunity is that it has to be granted by the host nation. If it were a matter of the British refusing somebody in France, that person simply wouldn't go to Britain. If the person was already in the UK, the police could arrest that person.
If diplomatic immunity worked as you suggest, Ecuador could declare Assange to be part of the Ecuadorian diplomatic corps, and all the British could do would be kick Assange out of the country.
Rules about diplomats are not intended as permission for one country to do anything it wants on another country's soil. For every privilege, there's ways for a host country to curtail abuse.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
There is no extradition treaty between France and the USA so it would be a safe haven.
Wikileaks shows some high ranked politician have long been in favor of asylum for them (though there case is very different).
But it's not a good idea given that the government and decision are too versatile.
Just remember France was one of the first countries that prohibited Snowden's plane to flow across its territory.
And had the plane of the Bolivian president land off for that reason :
http://lci.tf1.fr/jt-20h/videos/2013/snowden-soupconne-d-etre-a-bord-l-avion-du-president-bolivien-8092294.html
Too many risks, although I'd greatly appreciate that they sought asylum here.
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Why'd you agree w/ my points on hosts then? Quoting you:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course not: It's impossible to dispute HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
Since my points in favor of hosts SINGLE FILE native kernelmode faster part show hosts doing more w/ less vs. so-called 'competitors' many part messagepassing + cpu/ram use overheads laden slower usermode FAR MORE COMPLEX 'solutions' doing less than hosts do for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity!
I make creating a superior more efficient solution EASIER!
(That's more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
I bother you? Then WHY DON'T YOU DO IT & use 'em? Answer that!
(You stalk/harass me instead!)
OBVIOUSLY you don't & you're a "ne'er-do-well" troll & you have "other motivations" (next):
---
* QUESTION:
DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , or a MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer it!
As per your usual you'll avoid every question, or lie & You've been EXPOSED in your "motives" in the last link just above, lol!
APK
P.S.=> See Dave420 the "pot puffing clown" SQUIRM - evasions galore will ensue (as well as effete downmods via sockpuppets to *try* vainly "hide it" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )... apk
Thats how most historic painters show members of the French Army
French government is a puppet of american one. A week ago, our (i'm french) government learned that all our president where listened during years.
What was the reaction ?
in a "communiqué" the president say something like "what a shame !"
and nothing.
Don't you remember that François Hollande refused to the bolivian president to flew over the country ?
I am waiting for the French President to declare publicly that France does not conduct sigint operations against its friends and allies, most particularly against the US and UK.
Every once in awhile France surprises me, and actually walks the talk of justice. If Obama had the conviction of his words, he would give Snowden the Medal of Freedom for his courage and service to democracy. It is patently obvious to me (and any impartial observer), that the purpose of spying on one's own citizens has nothing to do with "protecting" those citizens, but rather with protecting "The State"--- (i.e. the corporate oligarchs and the political vermin who feed at the public trough)---from the people should they ever decide to 'level the playing field'.
.....but it was France who bombed the Greenpeace ship, Rainbow Warrior, at a downtown wharf in Auckland, New Zealand in 1985. They killed one of the crew. Granted, that was a conservative French government and they (conservatives) do tend to be sociopathic murderers. One of the many reasons I never vote for conservatives. Anywhere.
Only boring people are ever bored.
Well from my perspective, Snowden is working for the US and we are bizarre to be trying to try him. On the other hand Wikileaks is great but Assange is a true nutcase, all the other wikileakers agree...
On the other hand France (and several other countries like Germany) betrayed the US horribly in the early 2000s outright forcing us to go to war with Iraq and pulling out at the last second which directly resulted in the spying starting! So the spying is unfortunately totally justified. Now if Cheney hadn't pushed out all the cool dudes from the Bush admin, then all the no voices would still be there, and France's and Germany's evil role in Iraq and the ME would be more apparent. So its OK for them to take in Snowden and Assange is they so please. Its all quite irrelevant where these two go. All in all there is no good place to be except outside of ISIS as that place is a true mess. No problem with Snowden and Assange being in France... at least in theory they support free thought and philosophy. Maybe Snowden can teach Assange to be a nicer person.
Let bygones be bygones... if you go over every political twist and turn and hold grudges, no one would ever get anything done. So France... cool dude, let's be friends with the US and Germany again and forget the disaster they caused in Iraq and blamed on the US.