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Undersea Cable Break Disrupts Life In Northern Mariana Islands

An anonymous reader writes: The Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands experienced a devastating undersea cable break on Wednesday, with phone, Internet, SMS, banking services, the National Weather Service office, and airliners all being affected. The US territory depends on a single undersea fiber optic connection with Guam for its connectivity to the outside world (except for a backup microwave link, which was itself damaged during a recent storm). While services are in the process of being restored, this may be a prime example of the need for reliable backup systems in our "always connected" mindset.

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  1. This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been a number of fiber cables intentionally cut.

    Might this be sabotage taken to the next level?

    Who's behind this? China?

    1. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 4, Informative

      No one is behind this. There was a typhoon and then a series of storms.

      To put this into perspective there are around 50k people living on the island and its link runs through difficult terrain. It is about 100km from Guam itself hence why it could use a microwave backup. Honestly this is about as surprising as a small country town getting cut off by a back hoe hitting their cable.

    2. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by paul_metcalfe · · Score: 2

      Been reading Cryptonomicon? :p

      The US territory depends on a single undersea fiber optic connection with Guam

      There's the problem. No redundancy at all. How were they planning to take things down for maintenance? You need redundancy!

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    3. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read a book called blind mans bluff if you haven't. after that check out the silent war by john craven. if you read the first you will absolutely want to read the second.

      i read a lot of stuff.. those two are of the best.

    4. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      It's 50k people. They probably planned to say - guys the internet is going to be slow running over the microwave link for the next 5 hours.

    5. Re: This isn't the first cable to be cut. by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would China deliberately sabotage a foreign cable in order to knock 50,000 islanders off the 'net? That's like opening yourself up for actual diplomatic reprisals for 0 gain.

      Now if you claimed they broke it by accident dredging for sand to build their their little island thing, maybe.

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    6. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you stopped reading right before the "except for a backup microwave link". That's their redundancy, and that's how they take things down for maintenance. Considering the tiny population, how much redundancy do you want them to have? (bearing in mind that this storm, which disrupted both the microwave and undersea cable, could just as easily have damaged any satellite dishes and additional cables at the same time)

    7. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      It isn't the number of people but the importance to those people, individually and as a group, that matters. Is it just a matter of inconvenience or does the outage cause economic hardship? If so, how much. How often might it happen? The outcome of that risk analysis will determine if a third link is cost effective. But since we're talking about a government here, a strict cost-analysis isn't enough. The politician will ask, "Might the next outage get me thrown out of office?"

    8. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is behind this. There was a typhoon and then a series of storms.

      Can you please explain how surface storms can damage a cable on the seabed?

    9. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      There are occasional clusters of cuts that seem a little curious; but single undersea cables getting knocked out now and again is just a fact of life. My understanding is that the people who specialize in laying and repairing undersea cable are more or less constantly moving from job to job. The only real story is that the fiber went down before the microwave link had been repaired. Given that you can get 100km out of a wifi link(with distinctly non-stock antennas, and potentially some small-but-FCC-unapproved increase in transmission power), it sounds like they should consider some backups that they can bring back into service more quickly.

    10. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      But the cable wasn't the only system that was cut. They also had a redundant microwave link that the same storm damaged. Run the storm event again and you will probably find that 1 of those 2 systems remains up. In this case however it didn't.

    11. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Have a look at the coast around these islands. The coast is shallow and has a large amount of reefs. Surface storms of any size WILL impact things on the sea bed at that depth. Not to mention that the cables have to cross the shore at some point meaning they will be in very shallow water at each end.

    12. Re: This isn't the first cable to be cut. by jittles · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would China deliberately sabotage a foreign cable in order to knock 50,000 islanders off the 'net? That's like opening yourself up for actual diplomatic reprisals for 0 gain.

      Now if you claimed they broke it by accident dredging for sand to build their their little island thing, maybe.

      These islands are very strategically important to the naval control of the Pacific Ocean. There is a reason that the US has military bases there. There is also a reason that the Japanese took these islands by force during WWII. There are reasons to knock out communication on these islands, but they all involve conventional warfare with the hope that disruption to normal communication and air traffic would prevent the US from being able to prevent a change in the status quo in the Western Pacific. Obviously, this is not a likely scenario at this point in time.

    13. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      Which may or may not be relevant. Since we do not know that the two events were not caused by common point of failure (i.e. the fiber backbone and microwave system were powered by the same system, etc) then we can't know the likelihood of it happening again, and again, and again. That's what the risk analysis is for. Perhaps a third option really is the cheapest way forward.

      From a political point of view, this can be leveraged into something a little more significant. Consider
      http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/grant...
      They were granted $8M to improve their backbone. Perhaps a decent politician can now leverage this outage into $16M.

    14. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What, they just have the things draped across the beach? I would have thought they'd bury it once it got somewhat close to shore...

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    15. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

      It is about 100km from Guam itself hence why it could use a microwave backup.

      For a single hop 100km line-of-sight radio path that just skims the sea in the middle of the path, the antennas would have to be 150m tall on both ends (or some combination of appropriate heights). Those are mighty tall towers, which might explain the storm damage. If you want to clear 80% of the 1st Fresnel zone, you'd need an additional 33m at the middle of the path.

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    16. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1
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    17. Re: This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you using 2.4ghz? This would be a 10, maybe 26ghz link. And the islands are not flat. Not saying you're wrong but it's not exactly an impossible engineering project...

    18. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Good job the highest point in Guam is 407m above sea level and the highest point in the Northern Mariana islands is 965m above sea level, and that is before we build any structures to hold the antenna.

    19. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Good point - I'm used to flat Caribbean islands, not mountainous Pacific Islands.

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    20. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      100 km is about 60 miles as I recall. I did not realize that wifi could go that far within the specs of the access points being made. I suppose a directional, perhaps a flat plain, antenna and what not assuming power increases are allowed would get this working but I would worry about jitter and lag. Anyhow, I realized that I do not know something (this is not new and I am not at all ashamed to admit it) about Guam...

      I have never been to Guam. I searched for FCC and Guam and a few other search terms and clicked about a dozen links. One thing I could not find was if Guam, and other US territories, are actually obligated to FCC regulations. My understanding is that not all regulations are forced on the territories and that territories are able to have some flexibility in some areas. Do FCC regulations apply with radio transmission power in unlicensed spectra in Guam? I was under the impression that a ham license was not needed in the US territories - though I could easily be mistaken. I am not sure where I heard this but I am sure that I never bothered verifying it when someone mentioned it in the past.

      Other than expense, with the ubiquity and importance of internet access, I wonder why they do not have a tertiary backup? It seems logical to maintain a semi-hot facility that has a second microwave transmission tower or to even suck up the expense of a new cable or even just a satellite system that can be brought online to maintain a connection.

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    21. Re: This isn't the first cable to be cut. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      FWIW, the Japanese did not take the northern Marianas in WWII. They did take Guam, but started with the rest of the Marianas under League of Nations mandate.

      In WWII, they were strategically significant as part of the Japanese last-ditch perimeter, which is why the USN defeated the Japanese Navy soundly in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. They were also an excellent platform for B-29 raids on Japan, the B-29 having exceptional range for the time. It isn't clear that either of these reasons would still apply.

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    22. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Actually we do know that they weren't caused by the same event. In the article it points out that the microwave link was knocked out by a previous storm event and the cable was severed prior to completing repairs on the microwave system. The microwave system succumbed to physical damage from storm debris.

    23. Re:This isn't the first cable to be cut. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Usually a channel is dug and the cable is laid in a conduit for the beach crossing. But that only goes a certain distance out and it is about the most expensive part of the cable lay. Even assuming they trenched 100m out that could easily be less than 4m of water over the cable and well inside the depth that a large storm would influence.

  2. Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Here I was thinking this was about some adverse effect of electricity+salt water on the ecosystem surrounding the islands, but no, it's about people being unable to stream porn until it's fixed.

    This is the definition of 'first-world problems'.

    1. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      I dunno about you, but for me no internet means I cannot do my job.

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    2. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by blue+trane · · Score: 0

      Is your job to stream porn on the internet?

    3. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then maybe you should get a real job.

    4. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given his sig, probably.

    5. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should move in to 2015 where cloud services comprise a significant portion of all productive work... Oh, I'm sorry: I can't hear you over the sound of your revision control problems.

      You keep working at 10% productivity while patting yourself on the back because of black swan events like an undersea cable breaking.

    6. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno about you, but for me no internet means I cannot do my job.

      Exactly. First World problems. Job != Life.

    7. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A black swan event is not even close to describing an undersea cable breaking.

      A black swan event means; something no one on earth would think it be possible. Everyone in the world thought there where only white swans, and believed it was not possible for a swan to have a different colour, then someone found a black swan.

      Compare to the undersea cable: we know that undersea cables break, the island knows that cable breaks so well, that they actually had a backup in the form of a microwave link.

    8. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever you say, HTML kiddie.

    9. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Rei · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C++, Java, and Python actually.

      What do you write tough guy? x64 assembler with a magnetic needle?

    11. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Excuse me, but REAL programmers use butterflies.

    12. Re:Disrupts 'Life' by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      You are funny, most jobs on that island do not depend on "cloud services" at all. I realize many marketing wanks think their BS buzzword phrase is critical to civilization, but the real world operates differently.

  3. Leave that thing off... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and make yourself a tourist attraction for an "off-line experience". You might charge extra for it, too.

    No, I'm not actually recommending that. But you might consider it all the same.

    1. Re:Leave that thing off... by pspahn · · Score: 1

      The Chinese tourists just want to go gambling on Tinian. They are also ill-prepared for an unconnected visit.

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  4. And the 56k modems cry Mary! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh Dear God!

  5. No, it's not. by ScentCone · · Score: 2

    I think it's a prime example of why choosing to live on a remote island served by only one cable and one fragile microwave link is just part of the bargain when you choose to live on a remote island. The whole "having more backups" thing is actually pretty well covered in most continental locations.

    BTW, is it just me? Am I the only one that, while using Chrome to view /. these days, is getting a periodic, hands-off lurching scroll/navigation to the top of the page while either writing or passively reading? I have been too lazy to figure out which script/object is offending. But it's astoundingly obnoxious.

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    1. Re:No, it's not. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      no it started happening to me today and has been all day. no rhyme or reason on the timing though so im not sure whats going on

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    2. Re:No, it's not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. I think it might have something to do with advertisements reloading.

    3. Re:No, it's not. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      me too

      started yesterday for me

      it's worst when you're trying to comment and midsentence you're suddenly at the top of the page

      slashdot: i'm not really sure what the deal is, but your UI could use some attention

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    4. Re:No, it's not. by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      How many backups do you need, really?

      This were two seemingly unrelated events that independently took out two links. You can add links ad infinito but where do you end? Having two links sounds reasonable to me. It's just bad luck that one gets damaged, and the second has an outage before the first can be fixed. Odds of that happening are pretty low. Adding a third link won't make the whole thing that much more reliable as likely they are already at >99%.

    5. Re:No, it's not. by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much my point. We're talking about a small population that chooses to live on a very remote island. They have a primary pipe, and a backup (down for weather damage at the moment). The article is implying that we're supposed to learn a lesson from this ... but they've got it backwards. The lesson isn't "MOAR BACKUPZ!" ... it's, "If you want to live an exotic, remote lifestyle, there are some trade-offs that come with that."

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    6. Re:No, it's not. by tgeller · · Score: 1

      "...choosing to live on a remote island."

      "Choosing"? Really?

      That's just ignorant.

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    7. Re:No, it's not. by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's just ignorant.

      Really? Cost of living in places like that is sky-high compared to almost any other setting, unless you want to live a fairly primitive existence. But we're talking about access to high-speed internet connectivity. People whose lifestyles demand fiber connectivity are not trapped on an island with no way off. You're either trollish or not even bothering to try to think this through. Still, you're right - this would make an excellent new piece of Outrage Fuel for the Daily Social Justice Warrior marching orders. Unfair! Unfair! The Man is keeping small island locations from having multiple, geographically diverse fiber pipes in the middle of the ocean! The people trapped on those islands by Evil One Percenters should be getting service subsidized by some middle class guy who loads trucks for a living in New Jersey! Social justice demands it!

      Please. If the compromises that come with living in a very remote place don't appeal, don't live there. We're talking about interrupted fiber optic service to the middle of the ocean, and you're treating it like a sign that the people who are choosing to live there and open banks and other operations are being forced to.

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    8. Re:No, it's not. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      How many backups do you need, really?

      Murphy's law would suggest you need n+1, where n is the number of links currently down as well as the number of links you actually have.

    9. Re:No, it's not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. It started happening last week. It appears to be an ad reloading at the top of the page, like the other guy said.
      I was giving /. the benefit of the doubt wrt ads for ~15 years now. But this annoyed me enough that I finally had to get AdBlock on my browser so that I can read the damn page.

      AdBlock fixed it for me.

  6. Satellites by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

    It's interesting how Joe Q. Public continues to think that their data and voice zips around the globe via satellites, when in reality the vast majority moves on our terrestrial networks.

    Just last week I overheard someone commenting on how their text messages were going via satellite.

    1. Re:Satellites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting how Joe Q. Public continues to think that their data and voice zips around the globe via satellites, when in reality the vast majority moves on our terrestrial networks.

      It's even more interesting how people assume our satellite network is bulletproof when in reality we're a few lost pieces of orbital space junk away from a rather catastrophic event. Much like our earth, it's not getting any cleaner in orbit thanks to us humans.

      Just last week I overheard someone commenting on how their text messages were going via satellite.

      Clearly people have no idea how much a 500ms round trip delay would fuck with their ability to participate in social media. Sorry, but your 15 minutes of fame has been reduced to 6-second Vines due to social demand. 60 seconds ago might as well have been last week.

    2. Re:Satellites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in Hawai`i, where the larger islands have two links to the mainland via undersea cable (smaller islands like Lana`i only have one link, though). That's actually something a lot of people here don't know and certainly don't think about, that all their "bits" are traveling around 2,500 miles underwater.

      I don't usually notice it either, although sometimes when there's a storm at sea some web pages are a little soggy by the time they reach my screen and I need to keep a towel and a bucket handy.

    3. Re:Satellites by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      A satellite has limited and expensive bandwidth and high latency. It's cheaper and faster to use fiber. The public also thinks their phone calls go over coper wire, when almost the entire telephone system was converted to packet switched internet years ago.

    4. Re:Satellites by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      A satellite has limited and expensive bandwidth and high latency. It's cheaper and faster to use fiber. The public also thinks their phone calls go over coper wire, when almost the entire telephone system was converted to packet switched internet years ago.

      The last mile is usually copper and that's where all the issues are, hence why people think that way.

    5. Re:Satellites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't an apostrophe, it was an okina, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Satellites by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      SpaceX and OneWeb are trying very hard to vindicate Joe Q. Public on a huge scale, though. ;)

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  7. Reliability Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pretty much any Engineer who works in Reliability and Maintenance has known this for years... Redundancy is king. In fact, the redundancy is usually there to allow you to do the maintenance.

    1. Re:Reliability Engineers by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      And your point is...????

      They had a redundant MW link, it was trashed by the same storm that cut the cable, how much more should 50k people spend on redundant infrastructure panning for a freak double fail event that may never happen again? Sure it's a major inconvenience to be cut off from the world for a few days but it's hardly a national disaster.

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    2. Re:Reliability Engineers by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, that redundancy for this island would cost money no one is willing to pony up. It wasn't that important so they don't have it

  8. Tinfoil hat but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know there is a chance this really is just an accident, but I really can't help but notice these accidents have happened pretty frequently recently. This makes about the 4 or 5th undersea cable being cut in recent memories.

    Really can't help but wonder if these aren't accidents so much as they are distractions while they are spliced into further down the line.

    1. Re:Tinfoil hat but..... by houghi · · Score: 1

      I know there is a chance you are just an idiot, but I really can't help but notice that these type of postings happen pretty frequently recently. This makes about the 4000th or 5000th idiotic posting in recent memories.

      Really can't help but wonder if these aren't idiots so much as they are distractions while they are spliced into further down the line.

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    2. Re:Tinfoil hat but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a better chance that you are the idiot since you were too stupid to attack the message, which was factually correct, and instead try to attack the messenger.

  9. think of the pjorn! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    Start countdown to baby boom in 9 months.

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  10. Tsk tsk by delusional_wombat · · Score: 2

    It's hard to believe that there is not a single VSAT connection available or even a HAM radio with someone running Linux and broadcasting/receiving packets. Weather data would be my first concern. I wonder how many of the elders remember how to navigate and read the weather the old fashioned way?

    1. Re:Tsk tsk by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      There likely are several HAM radio sites on the island, and they are likely routing their personal internet over the air. However the bandwidth is probably at dialup speeds so I doubt they are sharing. I doubt the (Polynesian?) elders are up to speed with celestial navigation, especially with GPS still up and running.

    2. Re:Tsk tsk by delusional_wombat · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Tsk tsk by rabidMacBigot() · · Score: 1

      Did you know? HAM radio is an acronym for "Ham is not an AcronyM" ;)

    4. Re:Tsk tsk by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many youngsters remember that the regional weather is broadcast over that one-way push medium known as radio? Not you, apparently

  11. Or... by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this may be a prime example of the need for reliable backup systems in our "always connected" mindset.

    Or it may be a prime example how helpless many systems are with even a small break in connectivity, and point to a strong need for all systems to be built with robust (or any!) offline modes...

    Airlines being affected for example is bullshit - the schedules for example are all known months ahead of time. That the systems had not cached everything needed for a few weeks at least verges on criminal. Incoming planes can carry USB sticks with updated manifests and other data...

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    1. Re:Or... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      Or it may be a prime example how helpless...

      Helpless? In this day and age of everyone being glued to a screen, I think it's actually a good thing to have an enforced break from technology once in a while. I wish something like this would happen here, it might make people reflect a bit more and question which types of technology are useful and which aren't.

    2. Re:Or... by msobkow · · Score: 2

      The panic that set in the last time internet service to my town was disrupted was so severed that this one town was able to overload SaskTel's help lines for four hours. That's right. The panic of 15,000 people calling in to ask when it's going to be fixed swamped the call center for a province of 1.1 million.

      A widespread outage would likely result in mobs and suicides...

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    3. Re: Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cleansing by fire every now and then is a good thing.

    4. Re:Or... by fche · · Score: 1

      ... and cats & dogs living together. Devastating, I tell you.

  12. Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    F'ing cruise ships have that... you'd think the island could afford ONE satlink. Just for emergencies.

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    1. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      A sat link isn't a viable alternative for providing data access to a government, much less an entire country.

      TFA mentions the microwave backup being down, because commercial microwave links actually can provide significant levels of bandwidth.
      The only real limit is line of sight and how much you want to spend.

      And as always: Two is one and one is none.
      There's a reason why NASA uses triple redundancy when they want something to never fail.

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    2. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But three consists of one and two and one is none and two is one is none. So three is as good as nothing too!

    3. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is to have infinite

    4. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      You probably never have experienced how fast and reliable such a sat link is (it's not).

      I've talked to quite some cruise passengers, and most of them avoid using the sat link. It's very slow, unreliable, and expensive to boot (they generally have to pay by the minute instead of always on). That's just used by a couple thousand people, while here it's about a slightly larger community.

    5. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And when more than one person uses it on a cruise ship it slows to an unusable crawl.

      Seriously what would one small low bandwidth link solve?

    6. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I know exactly how shitty they are... it doesn't matter. You'd have enough bandwidth to sustain banking, outgoing/incoming text messages... that sort of thing. Critical communications would be maintained. Outgoing phone calls? No. General access to the internet for everyone? Absolutely not. Core services could be routed through the sat link though and it would work.

      What is more... the cruise sat links are shitty even for sat links. Most of the tv crews beam their broadcasts by satellite... FULL VIDEO AND SOUND from where ever in town. Just an example. The sats can handle lots of bandwidth. The issue is if you can afford it. And as a back up system that normally uses ZERO bandwidth... you could even splurg for a big uplink that is only used when the shit hits the fan.

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    7. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by dissy · · Score: 1

      F'ing cruise ships have that... you'd think the island could afford ONE satlink. Just for emergencies.

      That is pretty much the problem, they apparently only could afford the one backup radio link
      (after the problem of the primary fiber break of course)

      The US territory depends on a single undersea fiber optic connection with Guam for its connectivity to the outside world (except for a backup microwave link, which was itself damaged during a recent storm)

      So they could afford and did have One radio transceiver using a dish, and it was damaged as well.

      As far as a ground station at the island goes, there is little difference to a large storm between a microwave transceiver and a satellite transceiver. If they still only had the one backup dish at the same location just of the other type, it would have been damaged just the same.

      The obvious joke answer is: clearly they needed TWO backup links!
      Or to quote from Futurama:

      Fry: What happened?
      Dr. Zoidberg: All six thousand hulls have been breached.
      Fry: Oh, the fools! Why didn't they build it with six thousand and one hulls? When will they learn?

    8. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... I'm sorry I referenced the cruise ship because you guys really know fucking nothing about how much bandwidth the sats can handle. You could very easily give the whole island high speed broadband with one of those systems. You'd just need to prioritize the island over other users.

      Many tv news channels uplink their video through satellites. That's full video and sound.

      And keep in mind, we're talking about maintaining basic services during an emergency. Not keeping your spank bank queue humming. Banking services don't use a lot of bandwidth. Neither do text messages... that sort of thing could be routed through a cheap sat link and it would be fine.

      Show a little imagination here. Come on.

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    9. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... Don't be obtuse. The sat link would give you enough bandwidth to handle banking, text messages, etc. Enough that people could deal with the issue and would not be cut off. You do not need high bandwidth communication in an EMERGENCY.

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    10. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Your point about putting all the back ups in one place is a good one.

      This is why backup procedures are to have the back ups be in different places.

      Generally you want THREE redundant systems if you want a system that does not drop. And you want each of those systems to be in different places and possibly of different natures.

      That all three will get knocked out at the same time is unlikely.

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    11. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I am showing imagination. The imagination of thousands of selfish people who will do precisely what during an emergency? Facebook, long phone conversations etc.

      I don't need to use my imagination. The article has done it for me. So far people affected were business internet services, international airline systems, and my favourite quote: "Internet features on their phones".

      Emergencies can be handled on a local level. Support from off-site does not need some high-bandwidth satellite link, it just needs one or two people to have a satellite phone. If you actually attempt to provide complete redundant communications the first thing that happens in emergencies is that the whole mess goes down as everyone flocks to use it.

      It's not the right solution to the problem.

    12. Re:Why don't they have a sat link? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... Nope... you are showing zero imagination because you think if I had a limited bandwidth life line that I'd let you overwhelm it with facebook.

      that's fucking retarded.

      I would do no such thing.

      Internet for everyone? No. Internet for a few key systems? YES. This is easily manged at the ISP and is done all the time.

      How about access for the phone provider? Local calls are fine. Pick your phone up and call your neighbor.

      But if you want to call out... No. It won't even ring. Send a text message though? Okay. We have enough bandwidth in that situation for everyone on the island to send as many two way long distance text messages as they want.

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  13. Damn, work was asking me to move stateside by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of the Mariana islands as a 'close enough' for me stop-gap. Crap. There must be some other Micronesian territory left that didn't get suckered into independence.

  14. Spontaneous top of page scrolling on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same problem showed up for me on Safari on MB Air, Slow AT&T UVerse connection.

  15. *shrug* When you live in the boonies... by msobkow · · Score: 1

    When you live in the boonies, you learn to make do without all of the benefits of civilized society from time to time.

    They could always have set up additional backup links via satellite, a secondary microwave link, etc. They chose not to invest the money. Now they suffer the consequences.

    They've no one to blame but themselves. It's not a "conspiracy" as some have claimed. It's just bad luck.

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  16. Official report. by ls671 · · Score: 1

    Mariana Islands official here,

    I have just put a redundancy plan in the todo list.

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  17. A few lizards and turtles were inconvenienced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nobody living there - they don't need a backup link.

  18. Social experiment in the making by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expect a spike in the number of births in 9 months.

    1. Re:Social experiment in the making by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite the opposite, all the horny teenagers will be holed up at home alone, unable to communicate with each other for lack of SMS.

  19. How about a different solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of having an "Always Connected Mindset", how about thinking about how to NOT have an always connected assumption in everything?

  20. Volcanic islands above the deepest ocean by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    The Marianas are volcanic islands on top of tall peaks above the deepest part of the ocean. The depth goes from miles to feet in a relatively short time. When a storm passes, the storm surge has to compress to pass through the island chain gaps. This would cause havoc with anything laid between them.

  21. wrong solution to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe its not time to think of redundencies in the always connected world, but instead focus on self reliance and survival?

    but then again this is /.

    when was the last time you disconnected?

  22. Lesson of the Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Storm proof your microwave links in storm prone areas.

  23. Productivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the plus side, productivity is through the roof as everyone isn't checking their phone, social media, news of the minutes sites or any of the other time wasters that make up the plurality of internet usage.

  24. It is their own fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for allowing themsleves to be conquered by the most cheap skate large empire for investing in thier conquests of modern times.