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AMD Catalyst Linux Driver Performs Wildly Different Based On Program's Name
An anonymous reader writes: In past years the AMD Catalyst Linux driver has yielded better performance if naming the executable "doom3.x86" or "compiz" (among other choices), but these days this application profile concept is made more absurd with more games coming to Linux but AMD not maintaining well their Linux application profile database. The latest example is by getting ~40% better performance by renaming Counter-Strike: Global Offensive on Linux. If renaming the "csgo_linux" binary to "hl2_linux" for Half-Life 2 within Steam, the frame-rates suddenly increase across the board, this is with the latest Catalyst 15.7 Linux driver while CS:GO has been on Linux for nearly one year. Should driver developers re-evaluate their optimization practices for Linux?
Speed increases may be sacrificing some reliability or cutting some corners. In a FPS game it may be worth it to reduce number of bits in the graphics to increase the frame rate in fast moving images but if you work on photo editing then you want precision rather than speed.
Maybe looking at the name of the executable was an easy way around that.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Too slow, you should have titled you first post Global Strike: Counter Offensive.
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Just tested on the game I develop, Warsow, and our latest version of Qfusion engine.
FPS jumped from 250 ~ to 300 ~ without a cap on the same location. WTF, AMD?
Should driver developers re-evaluate their optimization practices for Linux?
Not necessarily. For example, replacing game shaders with optimized platform-specific ones can offer great performance increase with no tradeoffs. The GPU makers know their chip architecture inside out, but game developers usually target a higher level concept such as some shader language. Unless you develop for fixed hardware such as consoles, of course.
There's really two ways how you can relate to these kind of optimizations: "Hey, you're cheating!" or "Cool, thanks for help!". I personally are fine with them, but I would like to clearly know when specific optimizations are in use, and can turn them off when needed. Maybe after application startup the driver could render some popup in the frame buffer such as "AMD Catalyst(R) optimizations in use" which would fade out after a few seconds.
The STEAM store shows 504 pages of Windows games @ 25 per page = ~12,600 titles. OS X shows 173 pages @ 25 pages = ~4325 titles. Linux + SteamOS shows 99 pages @ 25 pages = 2475 titles but according to steamdb.info which has actual numbers for this category but not the other 2 there are 1,140 titles that work with 499 hinting at support.
This says nothing of sales numbers. Linux has gotten a big boost for gaming from Valve but it's still a distant 3rd and that's only in the PC gaming world and doesn't account for consoles at all.
I doubt AMD has the resources to dedicate to shit like this when they're consistently not the leader of anything. My speculation is that the only reason they still exist so to keep Intel/Nvidia out of monopoly court.
you change it to HL3?
It gives an outdated error message stating that Duke Nukem Forever requires Perl 6.
Give him some credit: you don't get -1 unless your post was at least locally offensive, if not globally.
I don't think you understood my point. My point is they're better off spending money making their Windows drivers/profiles better because that's where they have the most customers and since they don't have nearly the money, which you can see for yourself, they're better off spending it where they get the biggest return. As you pointed out that likely includes the consoles.
AMD and Nvidia are constantly dealing with bugs and pecularities in specific games and apps. I've seen examples where some unexpected or unusual drawing configuration made an Nvidia GPU totally make a mess on the screen. The solution, to achieve correctness, was to do something relatively slow. This kind of thing can be caused by hardware bugs. And it can be caused by hardware LIMITATIONS. For instance, say the hardware only has 8 bits of fractional precision and 16 bits of integer precision. It is possible for an app to try to draw something that runs into limits of those precisions, making two triangles not abut in the way that they should. This is commonly caused by having a triangle with a vertex WAY off the screen, so the software has to clip it, but clipping it requires subpixel precision that the hardware can't do.
Now, sure, some of these could be cases of "we could fix it properly, but it's just easier to select a slow rendering algorithm to get it right." And yes, if some company paid more, maybe they could get the proper solution sooner. But keep in mind that they're running into release cycle issues here. The driver is DONE, except for this list of 3 apps that don't work right. Do we spend an extra 3 months finding clever solutions? Or do we release right now something that benefits all other applications? The latter is more sensible. Those corner cases can be fixed in the next few releases.
In general, these problems are caused by applications doing something WEIRD. Not necessarily wrong, but definitely something unexpected that no other app does. And all the corner case apps do different weird things. Tracking it all down and making them ALL work both correctly and fast is HARD.
Probably not directly. To the degree that Microsoft has any specific plan to limit game adoption on non-Windows platforms it is called 'DirectX'. It is the first-class set of APIs on Windows and any games developed for it, or drivers developed to support it, are obviously resources dedicated to gaming being better on Windows and either unavailable or produced at additional cost for OpenGL elsewhere.
Once you get into how AMD's OpenGL driver does(or doesn't) apply application specific optimizations for different OpenGL games, though, MS doesn't have nearly as much to gain from any specific meddling. The general success of DirectX and Windows gaming is presumably the reason why AMD cares relatively little(along with the fact that people looking to use proprietary drivers on Linux usually go Nvidia, while AMD is regarded as very much the second choice unless you are looking for the vendor more cooperative with FOSS driver development).
Unforeseen consequences.
Are there any rendering mistakes or quality differences? Are there any issues with stability? Frame rate is not the only metric, it's just the only metric anyone can simply publish.
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This isn't even the first time AMD has done this. Back in the Quake III Arena days, renaming Quake3 to Quack3 would change its performance on a Radeon. Slashdot covered the Quack3 case
Why? We're talking about Linux drivers here. Why not let the open source community write optimization profiles? Yes, you (AMD) have (has) to make some sort of interface and some documentation for it.
But the beauty is, now the community is selecting the best options for applications, doing their own testing which, with my limited knowledge, for AMD seems to be a very time and resource (paid testers) intensive process. Which is why it's lagging behind, for the Linux drivers, in the first place. Of course only software that's used by community members actually wanting to put time in creating these profiles, will eventually have good profiles. Like every other open source project. It will only improve if there are community members willing to put time/effort in it. And maybe, if you open up this process, game developers wanting their games to have a solid performance on AMD cards will write their own profiles.
Today nobody can optimize graphics performance beyond the usual resolution/AA/shader toggles on a per-application basis, except for a hand full of inside developers. And we know of some 'AAA' games coded so badly they are virtually unplayable without serious driver 'tweeks'. Why not give the open source community the possibility to optimize the games they think are worth it?
As with all open source software, it only gets better. Unless no-one cares. But then... who cares?
The Source engine is using OpenGL on Linux and has absolutely nothing to do with DirectX
Both AMD and nVidia have been doing this for years with their Windows drivers. Why? Because apps like 3DMark and games like CS, Quake are used to benchmark video cards by reviewers.