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Microsoft Edge Performance Evaluated

Posted by Soulskill on from the bleeding-edge dept.

An anonymous reader writes: Now that Windows 10 is close to launch, Anandtech has put Microsoft's new browser, Edge, through a series of tests to see how it stacks up against other browsers. Edge has shown significant improvements since January. It handily beats Chrome and Firefox in Google's Octane 2.0 benchmark, and it managed the best score on the Sunspider benchmark as well. But Chrome and Firefox both still beat Edge in other tests, by small margins in the Kraken 1.1 and HTML5Test benchmarks, and larger ones in WebXPRT and Oort Online. The article says, "It is great to see Microsoft focusing on browser performance again, and especially not sitting idle since January, since the competition in this space has not been idle either."

132 comments

  1. Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows operating systems like GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS X, HP-UX, OpenServer X, Haiku OS, AIX, Android and Firefox OS?

    1. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I wouldn't give a crap if it was. It's still MicroShit trash. Fool me once and so on.

    2. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, all you need is a separate partition or vmware.

    3. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Sowelu · · Score: 1

      Last I heard it's not even going to be portable to Windows 7 or 8.

    4. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everyone running Windows 9 should be fine though.

    5. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by spire3661 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Come on. IF you look at my post history you can see i have been slamming MS for 15 years and even I think they are turning the ship. OneDrive, Office and Cortana on Android would have been unthinkable for MS 10 years ago.

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    6. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still the same, if not worse! Instead of locking you into Windows which is dying (Dell pays them ~$20 every time you buy a new PC every 5 years), they're locking you into their cloud stuff (OneDrive, Office 365, Xbox Live, etc) which they want you to pay hundreds for every year, per user. They expect revenue to go up 80% ion the long-term because of that.

    7. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "locked in"? You can easily download files from OneDrive and save documents from Office 365...it would be pretty useless if you couldn't do that.

    8. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yesterday i converted a pdf to Word Online (free), uploaded it to Google Docs (free). I then saved it on Dropbox (2GB free), One Drive(15 GB free) Gdrive (15 GB free) and my personal NAS running linux (cost of hardware). Please explain where you see lock-in anywhere in this chain when my data moves freely among these disparate entities. I dont think you understand what 'lock-in' has meant historically.

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    9. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by nickweller · · Score: 0

      "Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows operating systems like GNU [gnu.org]/Linux [kernel.org], FreeBSD [freebsd.org], Solaris [oracle.com], OS X [apple.com], HP-UX [hp.com], OpenServer X [xinuos.com], Haiku OS [haiku-os.org], AIX [ibm.com], Android [android.com] and Firefox OS [mozilla.org]?"

      Only when kernel.org, freebsd Solaris, Apple, hp.com, xinuos.com, Haiku-os.org, IBM and mozilla.org all start paying the Microsoft license, like the Android hardware makers are already paying ..

    10. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by omfgnosis · · Score: 0

      Actually doing what you describe is a giant pain in the ass. Knowing how is limited. Who knows what happens in conversion (it depends!)...

    11. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Dashiva+Dan · · Score: 2

      If you think the esoteric procedures described by the GP are too difficult, then perhaps you're on the wrong forum.
      And before you say "but the rest of the world..." stop. Aside for that most people wouldn't bother with that level of redundancy, short of the linux NAS (which you can buy in most large computer stores ready to go - plug and play, so to speak) even my grandmother could figure out how to import a pdf to word online, and store it to as many cloud storage accounts as are bothered to sign up for. This is 2015. That stuff was complex and involved and required a lot of tech-savvy in the 90's, when you had to string your solution together yourself with bash scripts and cronjobs, etc, but we're talking about polished consumer-grade software here that pretty much anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together can figure out how to use the basics of.

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    12. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extorting Android manufacturers for using that OS and being all secretive about what the patent violations are is NOT turning the ship around.

      Neither is sending an 'ex'-employee into Nokia to test windows phone os for them when virtually no other phone manufacturer would. In effect, Nokia took on all the risk of marketing/deploying their shitty os and when that os failed to make a dent on the market they got to pick up Nokia for peanuts.

      What you see of microsoft today is a convicted monopoly that is falling further and further out of relevance. It not longer has the power to change office formats willy nilly to break competitors products. It not longer has the power to change how IE works to break other browsers. They only look like they are turning the ship around so they can get to the top again and abuse their power yet again.

    13. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows operating systems like GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS X, HP-UX, OpenServer X, Haiku OS, AIX, Android and Firefox OS?

      You must feel so smart listing all those UNIX operating systems. You know so many!

    14. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ie did run on Unix in the past.

    15. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Talk about confirmation bias. Google and Apple have done that crud as well.

    16. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by moronoxyd · · Score: 1

      Haiku is UNIX? It's true what they say, you learn something new every day...

      Oh, and Linux (not GNU/Linux for me, sorry) is not UNIX either. It's inspired by UNIX, absolutely, but it isn't technically related.

    17. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      IIRC, there were versions running on the very earliest versions of Mac OSX, which was built from BSD Unix. I don't think Apple got the Unix certification until much later versions, though.

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    18. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only use GPL (Gay Protection Layer) licensed software. Linux is the true choice for faggots and virgins.

    19. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      All the things you listed were under Ballmer, not Nadella. They have ZERO chance of EVER being as powerful or influential as they were. Also, Nokia LET itself be consumed, they could have said no to the deal. Everyone and i mean EVERYONE knew what the 'burning platforms' memo meant.

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    20. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea they are so bad that you couldnt even give ONE example. piss off shill

    21. Re: Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your examples of such cases are so earth shattering that you are swayed slashdotters to your microsoft shill ways.

    22. Re:Is Edge going to be portable to non Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Microsoft is CURRENTLY is suing Samsung for not paying for so called patent violations in android. That is under NADELLA.

      Using phases like "zero chance", "ever" and "everyone" only shows your ignorance.

  2. Ad blocking? by Mark4ST · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how easy it will be to block ads with Edge, and prevent tracking users. If I can't do that, I can't use Edge. The internet is no place for advertising.

    1. Re:Ad blocking? by Sowelu · · Score: 1

      Enjoy your paywalls!

    2. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your paywalls!

      I enjoy paywalls immensely. It gives me a sexual thrill when I am forced to pay for content.

    3. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      How many wymyn are on the Edge development team?

      Does Edge support female accessibility features like breast gestures?

      Why were no wymyn interviewed for this article, what kind of misogynistic site is Anandtech?

    4. Re:Ad blocking? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Enjoy your paywalls!

      that would please me to no end. Dunno why people use that as a threat.

      Sure beat the bejabbers out of a few dozen scripts and trackers on every page. And even better, if a website's content is shit, they'll be out of business soon enough.

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    5. Re:Ad blocking? by Sowelu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wouldn't that be more intrusive, though? If every page was paywalled or subscription-based...like, every page...then you're going to be on-file as paying a whole bunch of people. Even if micropayments actually become a thing again, you're going to have a service with a list of every site that you not only patronize, but that you like enough to pay for.

      God, imagine the damage it would do if someone hacked and published a record of _that_.

      Seems pretty dangerous to people in repressive regimes, too, since subscribing to any kind of opposition news is basically funding a political enemy, more directly than just loading ads on a page.

    6. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of a false dichotomy? Because you've just illustrated one.

    7. Re:Ad blocking? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      That will be interesting since they LOADED Skype with ads from stem to stern.

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    8. Re:Ad blocking? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Even if micropayments actually become a thing again, you're going to have a service with a list of every site that you not only patronize, but that you like enough to pay for. God, imagine the damage it would do if someone hacked and published a record of _that_.

      This is actually a pretty creepy possibility already on fairly "generic" sites, it's one thing that people know you read a newspaper. With a subscription though they could list exactly what articles you bothered to read and which you didn't.

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    9. Re:Ad blocking? by westlake · · Score: 2

      The internet is no place for advertising.

      I take it then that you are a subscriber to Slashdot --- and to every other site that you visit on a regular basis.

    10. Re:Ad blocking? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Enjoy your paywalls!

      How about this? Companies properly vet ads, and ensure they don't contain malware. And I'll turn off my ad-blocker, and we'll both be happy. But we already know that the companies don't want to vet ads in the first place.

      On top of that we already know that sites that go paywall fail miserably. Only when you have unique content can a paywall stand, this is doubly true in today's "every site has exactly the same news, because our reporters don't report they simply recycle wire stories."

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    11. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can already do all that with web server logs...

    12. Re:Ad blocking? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's like the "if there is no copyright it's the end of music" threat.

      Guess what: Content existed on the internet before advertising came along. It was different and less refined, but it was certainly there. People produce it because they want to. Not for clicks, not for eyeballs but because they want to produce it.

      Actually, your threat sounds like a promise to me. No clickbait anymore (and where it is, a paywall keeps me from having to look at it), with the actual content, made by people because they wanted to create content instead of pimping it out for some ad clicks, being far easier to spot again.

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    13. Re:Ad blocking? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      there is a third way. Guess what: People actually make content without you wanting to pay for it. Yeah, strange as it may sound, people give you something for nothing. Like, say, this comment. Nobody is paying me to write this. Yet I do it. For your entertainment, and of course for mine.

      If every page was sub-based and paywalled, two things would happen. First, at the very least a dozen payment providers would spring up over night where you can easily manage your subscriptions and where those who want to paywall their content pretty much have to go because not only would nobody want to go through the hassle to sign up everywhere, small content providers can't go through the hassle of a PCI-DSS audit necessary to store credit card data. It would take a few months but eventually a handful of them would be the top dogs. Maybe the CC companies themselves would start such a service.

      The other thing that would happen is that there would be actually free content. Silly as it may sound, the ancients here might even remember it, there once was a time when that actually did exist. And back then server space was actually expensive.

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    14. Re:Ad blocking? by eulernet · · Score: 1

      It's not really difficult.
      You just need to setup a local proxy that filters ads, and tell Edge to use this proxy.

    15. Re:Ad blocking? by cbhacking · · Score: 2

      Good question. IE has had ad-blocking and tracking protection (same feature, Tracking Protection Lists just can also be used to block ads) for a few versions now, and I think there's actually a legit AdBlock Plus extension for IE (haven't tried it). On the other hand, Edge is supposed to be super-minimalist, and I'm not sure if it'll support any kind of browser add-in (at least, initially). Tracking Protection and TPLs like IE9-11 have had is harder to say (I haven't tried it yet).

      Worst case you can always use a HOSTS file, but of course you can also just use a non-Microsoft browser.

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    16. Re:Ad blocking? by nam37 · · Score: 1

      >> The internet is no place for advertising.
      What world do you live in?

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      1) Never tell them everything you know.
    17. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Companies vet ads? Oh, the chortling, the merrimient. Oh, my sides, that's a tenalady moment right there. Companies *believe what the ad salesdroid tells them*, and only under pressure, act on it.

    18. Re:Ad blocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IE has had do awhile - yes edge has it too. Edge now supports chrome like extensions and have demoed it with adblocking software.
      >The internet is no place for advertising
      but the WWW is. like it or not (and I don't) the WWW is great for advertising.

    19. Re:Ad blocking? by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of us have no problems with ads IF they went back to being as they were back in the day which if why I have no problem with Adblock's "acceptable ads" because its pretty much how it was back before ads became giant tracking flash ridden malware. As long as its 1.- Limited to text and jpeg, 2.- Links are clearly labeled, 3.- NO tracking 4.- NO sound blasting, and 5.- NO malware carrying flash and java.

      There is a reason the Internet existed for so many years without ad blockers, its because the ads used to not be giant intrusive bandwidth sucking malware vectors, if it was to go back to that again? I have a feeling many here would soon find little reason to block ads. The websites brought it upon themselves when they brought in the third party ad companies and started letting them shit their malware and trackers all over the page. if you care so little for your viewers that you would risk their PCs, why should they give a piss about you?

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    20. Re:Ad blocking? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Microtransactions don't work on credit cards, since there's too much overhead. Somebody needs to batch them and bill monthly or so. The advantage is that your credit card data wouldn't tell anybody about that site of yours that you'd really rather keep secret, but the batching company would have to keep records on it. This would either become a monopoly (undesirable) or you'd have to register with several sites (also undesirable), or each web page supplier would have to register with all available sites (also undesirable), and there'd have to be a clearinghouse to make sure you didn't quadruple-pay for the page, so there's further downsides.

      Nor has anybody apparently come up with a microtransaction concept that people will accept. People don't like situations where they don't have a feel for what they'll be spending, or what they'll be getting.

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    21. Re:Ad blocking? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I think the best ads are the native ads--that is, ads that resemble content, but are clearly marked as ads. Digg is currently the best example of this. There's one story box dedicated to an ad. It's easy to find, so it's easy to ignore. But because the advertisers aren't just some random weight loss spammer, the advertising box is actually something that I look at every day, just in case. I've clicked on more than one of those 'stories', but I NEVER click on standard banner ads.

      Curation makes for better ads than trying to pin-point what I want through tracking, it turns out. Ads need to be for things that I didn't know that I needed, not things that I've previously searched for. I get ads for things that I've ALREADY BOUGHT all the time. Yeah, I searched for that thing yesterday. Then I found it. And bought it. Your ads are useless now, stop showing them to me. But if I didn't know about your product before (like KeySmart!), and a site that I visit every day has a little space dedicated to it, I'm a lot more likely to check it out.

    22. Re:Ad blocking? by Mark4ST · · Score: 1

      The internet is no place for advertising.

      I take it then that you are a subscriber to Slashdot --- and to every other site that you visit on a regular basis.

      Sort of. Slashdot allows users to optionally disable advertising if their non-monetary contributions are awesome enough-- which mine are I guess. I assume that there are no ads to block, but I wouldn't know because the ads are blocked anyways. A belt-and-suspenders solution.

    23. Re:Ad blocking? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Guess what: Content existed on the internet before advertising came along. It was different and less refined, but it was certainly there. People produce it because they want to. Not for clicks, not for eyeballs but because they want to produce it.

      People do create a lot of things because they want to, but that sounds more like an argument for free content rather than paywalled content. You really think there's no way to present content and ads in the same page without calls to external known ad servers to pull those ads in? There's no reason websites can't display their own ads from their own domain so what would prevent you from seeing that?

      No clickbait anymore (and where it is, a paywall keeps me from having to look at it)

      Why not? People would just put in clickbait without a paywall.

    24. Re:Ad blocking? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I think the best ads are the native ads--that is, ads that resemble content, but are clearly marked as ads. Digg is currently the best example of this. There's one story box dedicated to an ad. It's easy to find, so it's easy to ignore

      A lot of companies have recently tried pushing that as news stories and not labeling them, it took Gamergate informing the FTC and the FTC updating and perusing action against companies for doing it. Native ads? It's a way to make ads looks like news, and companies like Gakwer, Kotaku, et al., just got slapped down hard for it.

      Then again I don't actually shop by ads, when I need something for a particular job I'm more likely to ask people who are ahead of me in the industry what they'd suggest, then I go research the products in question.

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    25. Re:Ad blocking? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's important that the ads be clearly labelled as ads, and not as editorial content. The brilliance of the Digg model is that everything is basically just a link, a picture, and a small bit of explanatory context. Even if you were to mistake it as a real story, it would become obvious instantly that you weren't getting any news from the site you went to.

      And since the advertisers are curated, you're also not going to have any trouble where going to the site is going to be some sort of miserable spam-fest with popups and terrible auto-play videos. The Digg model is currently the best one. Unobtrusive, but obvious. It's good brand advertising, and it keeps their lights on. It's a really good compromise.

  3. Error in the summary by jean-guy69 · · Score: 1, Informative

    "It is great to see Microsoft focusing on browser benchmarks again,"

    You are welcome.

    1. Re:Error in the summary by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the people at MS, they regularly test the most popular 500-1000 sites. You have to optimize for something, after all.

      They also focus on standards compliance.

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    2. Re:Error in the summary by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If the benchmarks don't reflect the performance then the problem lies with the benchmark unless it can be proven than one of the contestants have cheated.

      Given that Edge appears to be gaining across the board of several different benchmarks focusing on several different elements including also standards compliance I would say that by focusing on the benchmarks they are well and truly focusing on performance as well.

    3. Re:Error in the summary by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2

      It may benchmark well, but it just feels so damn slow. The UI is often unresponsive when I try to scroll after initially loading a page, and any time something uses flash (usually ads), the UI hangs long enough that I get a brief "not responding" notification.

    4. Re:Error in the summary by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

      Too little to late. Even if it is better on paper, no one will switch. I use chrome now, I can run it on most any OS, desktop or mobile, sync everything (passwords, history, bookmarks, add-ons) and it works fine.

      Anyway, the main reason Id never recommend anyone use a microsoft browser is they are always tied to closely to the OS and just an easy gateway for malware.

    5. Re:Error in the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome for what, your baseless implication? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Microsoft is, as you imply, gaming the system and focusing on benchmarks to the detriment of real-world sites?

      No. No, you don't. You're just blathering shit to a receptive crowd of fellow clueless neckbeards who lap that infantile shit up.

    6. Re:Error in the summary by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Anyway, the main reason Id never recommend anyone use a microsoft browser is they are always tied to closely to the OS and just an easy gateway for malware.

      In which way tied? In Windows 98, Explorer depended on the IE engine, but that's about it.

      These days both IE and Edge run content in a hardened sandbox anyway, which malware will have hard time escaping.

    7. Re:Error in the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      never heard of 98lite? you could remove trident and still "happily" use explorer.exe

      'sides wasn't there a lawsuit over that exact issue?

  4. Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By definition, it's good to have another standard-complaint option (event if this is from MS)... but, I think it's too late... maybe not too little but too late.

    1. Re:Too late? by Sowelu · · Score: 0

      Too late for?..

      I mean, anything that gives us an out from the Google ecosystem, without Firefox bloat, has got to be great.

    2. Re:Too late? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Err we've been down this path before, its kinda where we came from.
      I thought it was pretty unanimous that we DIDN'T want to go back.

    3. Re:Too late? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Another?
      Wake me up when Chrome, Firefox, or Safari comply with standards and don't shit things up in random ways every time they update.

    4. Re:Too late? by Sowelu · · Score: 2

      Maybe we don't want to go back, but we sure don't want to stay here either. Google used to be a knight in shining armor, not so much these days. Their market share is big enough that they can get away with almost anything they want--so, put them up against competition again, and see if 'being the good guys' turns back into a desirable market strategy.

      Yeah I'm not getting my hopes up either.

    5. Re:Too late? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Too late for?..

      I mean, anything that gives us an out from the Google ecosystem, without Firefox bloat, has got to be great.

      So something fromMicrosoft will cure the problem?

      You mean the people who allow people that you allow access to your wireless to share the password with the world?

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    6. Re:Too late? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

      Another?
      Wake me up when Chrome, Firefox, or Safari comply with standards and don't shit things up in random ways every time they update.

      Maybe some competition will stimulate the fixing of bugs.

    7. Re:Too late? by FranTaylor · · Score: 0

      You mean the people who allow people that you allow access to your wireless to share the password with the world?

      Do you really boycott every company that you find objectionable? How do you get out of bed? How do you even have a bed?

    8. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll stick with the alleged "bloat" of Firefox, thanks. I still appreciate Edge, though, if it means less bloody work supporting Microsoft's built-in browser. At least they're getting their shit together compared to Safari's slow decay.

    9. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google was never a knight in shining armor. They just achieved their objectives with it, like any good pusher giving you a freebie.

    10. Re:Too late? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You mean the people who allow people that you allow access to your wireless to share the password with the world?

      Do you really boycott every company that you find objectionable? How do you get out of bed? How do you even have a bed?

      Do you have such an active imagination that you extrapolated that from my dislike of Wi-Fi Sense?

      You having a bad day or somethig bro?

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    11. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a 35 year old web developer listening to this...im currently looking out the window for flying pigs!?!

      When did IE ever not represent all that is evil, hell I still have to right shims for crap that dons't work in IE 8...you young little farts just don't know the pain this company has brought some of us..

      Now get off my lawn!

    12. Re:Too late? by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Google simply ignores negative user feedback: I've seen it with Google Maps and Google News, and I hear there are other instances as well. I've stopped using anything Google, not that it makes an ounce of difference to them.

    13. Re:Too late? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      Google used to be a knight in shining armor, not so much these days.

      Google was NEVER a knight in shining armor. The only thing that changed was that they got caught pulling the same sort of shit just about every other corporation on the planet does, and now very few people believe that "don't be evil" nonsense. You got it almost correct - it was a "marketing strategy", not a "market strategy", and it was brilliantly done.

      Giant corporations are like nuclear power plants. Their production capacity is pretty much unmatched, but you also have to take great care to ensure they don't run wild, and there's always some nasty by-products in exchange for that productivity.

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    14. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So something fromMicrosoft will cure the problem?

      You mean the people who allow people that you allow access to your wireless to share the password with the world?

      Yes of course! Let's take a completely unrelated thing they do, spin it as a negative and apply it to something else they do...that's not some irrational hater idiocy at all.

      I mean surely you wouldnt use Firefox, made by the people that put a bigot in charge. Or javascript which was developed by said bigot. Or Google Search by the same people that drove cars around snooping on people's personal wifi. Or anything from Apple the convicted anti-trust violator. Or ReiserFS by the guy who murdered his wife.

      I mean you could at least veil the fact that you're an irrational cockbag a little better next time.

    15. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google does okay and is less evil than some. Chrome even runs netflix in linux now apparently, though I haven't used that much. My biggest gripe about google is their maps program. It works quite well if you are online, but also inexplicably eats bandwidth quite fast. It seems to have some pretty drastic limitations when you are not online such that you probably want to use something else. From what I recall even if you save the map it doesn't work correctly when not online right? I know it did some incredibly strange things when I first moved, likely due to the crappy sprint based network I was on. Realistically google maps should at least have sygic's level of functionality when not online, and it doesn't, likely because google wants that usage data... They should fix google maps so you can download at least entire states while using a home network connection, and then auto update those periodically. It should also have minimal traffic when you are actually using it for navigation, and not require any of it. I doubt it ever happens, but it would be nice if they would stop crippling their product like that.

    16. Re:Too late? by Dashiva+Dan · · Score: 1

      Their statistics are what we pay for the service instead of money.
      It doesn't make them evil to offer useful tools in exchange for usage metrics, it just means we have more options.
      But sure, if you don't want to pay in metrics, put some of your money on the table for a solution that fits you better
      But expecting Google to modify their money-free service into a totally free service (free of data collection) would mean that it's no longer funded, and you know what happens to unfunded software/services? I'll let you figure that part out on your own.

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    17. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is coming at the exact right time. Ever since Opera switched to Blink, there hasn't been a good browser. Maybe Edge will surprise us and be the next good browser. Remember, at one time IE was the best.

    18. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the 35 year old boy.

    19. Re:Too late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could still have statistics, baring from people that deliberately firewall the app... It would just work reliably even without a net connection

    20. Re:Too late? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Another? Wake me up when Chrome, Firefox, or Safari comply with standards and don't shit things up in random ways every time they update.

      Wake me up when the standards are actually finalized and not "eh we'll get around to it, maybe, oh you know what, nevermind it's just a rolling release moving target now"

    21. Re:Too late? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I suspect it was more than a marketing strategy, but a recruitment one.

      It's entirely possible that "Don't be evil" started out sincere, but that sort of thing tends to slip when a company goes public.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    22. Re:Too late? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Except, now, people are having to code specifics just to render in Firefox appropriately. It sucked having to do it for Microsoft's Internet Explorer. It sucks having to do it for Mozilla's Firefox.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  5. I need a new browser like I need a shark by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Hmm, maybe if it had lasers ....

    On the other hand, I still don't need a new browser.

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  6. But does it run on Linux? by rrohbeck · · Score: 0

    Obvious question.

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    thegodmovie.com - watch it
    1. Re:But does it run on Linux? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has released both IE and Office on Mac. I'm sure they could consider releasing more Linux software as well, if Linux wasn't such an unpredictable trash platform on the desktop.

    2. Re:But does it run on Linux? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      It works perfectly well for me.

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  7. I want to love Edge by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    ... but I still cannot dock the dev tools into the tab I am working in... so I can't really take it seriously as a web dev yet.

    1. Re:I want to love Edge by sexconker · · Score: 1

      That's what your second (third, fourth, etc.) monitor is for.

    2. Re:I want to love Edge by gavron · · Score: 1

      Why do you want to love Edge? Why don't you rather want to love the best browser out there?

      A web browser is a tool. When you've got a nail to pound the right tool is a hammer. When you have a hole to drill the right tool is a drill.
      Why would you not look for the best tool, instead of the new-one that says "microsoft" on it?

      E

    3. Re:I want to love Edge by networkzombie · · Score: 1
      Why do you care what the brand of your tool is? Did they kill people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster)? Did they kill people and cover it up (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_Tire_and_Rubber_Company#Firestone_500_tread_separation_problem)? Maybe they are the largest and most common manufacturer of tools and you want to love them because you know they will be inexpensive if they work? Maybe your family members already use them and if they work well that would be great? Maybe not everyone is using the best tool but rather the most common one? If it worked well people would get fewer viruses and it would spur competition with other browsers and they would work even better too! A win for everyone. I want to love Edge too.

      I also want to love the Ford Focus. I see them everywhere and I've rented them. I still hate the damn Ford Focus, but I want to love them. I hope they make a better Ford Focus.

    4. Re:I want to love Edge by Shados · · Score: 1

      I didn't try Edge, but even IE11 is leagues beyond Firefox for development at this point (oh how the mighties have fallen), and for certain things like sourcemaps, it works better than even Chrome (less glitches/edge cases, easier toggling between original and compiled sources, etc). That isn't bad for a browser that was less than a joke not that long ago. Chrome's still my development browser of choice (and now I'm stuck on a Mac at work anyway), but at least there's more than 1 usable browser for development.

    5. Re:I want to love Edge by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Are you counting Firefox with or without Firebug? Feature-wise, Firebug is still pretty much the gold standard... but it's dog-slow even without turning on the optional stuff that makes it even slower, and it's a third-party aftermarket install. Firefox's built-in dev tools have gotten better in the last few builds, but (as you noted) are still well behind IE11 (or Chrome). I haven't tried Edge yet.

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      There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
    6. Re:I want to love Edge by Shados · · Score: 1

      With and without, doesn't matter. Firebug is way behind IE (remember, IE11 is also a constantly updated browser...the tools aren't what they were when IE11 was launched), and has been eclipsed by Chrome's years ago.

  8. Re:Does it really matter any more? by FranTaylor · · Score: 2

    With today's crappy browsers, the biggest factor in page loading is that the browser doesn't crash trying to render it.

  9. don't worry by FranTaylor · · Score: 1, Funny

    the whole rest of the world will wait patiently for you to catch up

    1. Re:don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not so sure chrome and firefox will catch up, but I guess you can wait and hope. There focus seems to be increasingly on feature bloat rather than performance.

  10. Re:OFFTOPIC: Number of monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how many books and sheets of paper did they have that the additional monitors would replace?

    Why can't I be limited to only methods of those that came before me? Oh yeah. Standing on the shoulders of giants.

    I bet that before they had new fangled calculators that can solve many types of problems, they had tools to sort out the solution or even look up tables for logs. Crazy stuff that.

    Being snarky is fun. Most programmers aren't computer scientists, so don't use that word like you know what it means. Most programmers are developers at best. A few might make a new design paradigm or bring concepts together that didn't happen before, but that isn't 95% of those reading this site or those that typed a line of code.

  11. Trident? Still not interested. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, I do not want Microsoft to use its browser as a platform to shove its ecosystem down my throat.Bing, Cortana, OneNote.

  12. Re:OFFTOPIC: Number of monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I nominate you for the stupidest post of the day.

  13. Re:Does it really matter any more? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    It depends AC. If the user opens 10 or 200? tabs in one window for some reason?
    Optical bandwidth, 64 bit OS, i7, real gpu, 32 gigs of ram can cover for a browser with slow code issues?
    The browser has to be fast to serve ads, keep banking secure, keep the MS branding fresh in the users mind and be web standard compliant.
    The days of only working with a MS web site creation application are over but the same MS branding issues will always be the same.
    Fast is easy. Ad blocking, security, branding is the ongoing issue for M$. How much will any new computer cost with Windows 10 Pro?
    Will ad blocking work? Will ads display at the desktop level if a brand pays enough vs the browser?

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  14. A little early to post benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The beta is quite unfinished. Modern CSS support is still pretty incomplete, and HTML5 support is better, but still lagging.
    Only once it has feature parity with good browsers, will it be sensible to benchmark it.
    I do worry that Microsoft decided to base it on the Trident browser engine, however heavily modified. In our company, we always called it 'Trabant', rather than 'Trident', for the simple reason that it was slow, and lots didn't work properly. It would have been much nicer to see Microsoft re-use a code base that had known good quality, rather than try to adapt the worst browser ever built.

  15. Give it a few patches by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Every MS system or subsystem works great when it's coming out of its box.

    No later than the first major Service Pack, it grinds to a halt. Sadly, especially with browsers, not patching is not an option due to the amount of security holes. The tinfoil hat wearing me would actually claim that they deliberately leave out important security checks to speed up execution so their latest turd shines in the all important pre-release performance benchmark, and reintroduce that safety checks again once nobody bothers to test it anymore, but that's just my private little conspiracy theory.

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    1. Re:Give it a few patches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to use it if you don't want to.

    2. Re:Give it a few patches by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      They said that about Facebook too. Now look how many pages you can't use without that shit.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  16. Re:The first word in Microsoft Edge by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Cock-nugget. :D

    Haven't heard that one before.

  17. Re:The first word in Microsoft Edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the latest thing. All the 12 y/o are saying it.

  18. Firefox memory bloat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary mentioned that all browsers are continually improving their performance as they compete with each other. How about Firefox put performance on the back burner for a while and focus exclusively on memory leaks and memory bloat. Firefox uses gigabytes of memory which is ridiculous.

  19. I care more about security than performance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I need to squeeze the last drop of performance from my already fast machine, I'll be running a real application, not some hacked up Javascript in a browser. In fact, I've been waiting for them to go in the opposite direction for performance - by compiling the browser in a managed language, thereby making entire classes of bugs impossible.

  20. Re:OFFTOPIC: Number of monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being a computer scientist isn't confined to only the theoretical. Creating a new design paradigm or bringing new concepts together aren't qualifiers for a computer scientist. Aside from that, the rest of your points stand.

  21. Was performance a major issue? by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

    I always thought it was security and compatibility that drove people away from Microsoft browsers.

  22. Re:Does it really matter any more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This ^^
    I am far more interested in the compatibility of the browser than the speed. Having an endless list of random little tweaks for each browser would be a welcome thing to reminisce on as a 'solved' problem.

  23. Re:Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go let Brianna Wu fuck you in the ass with her cock. You could bust simultaneous nuts all over your hosts file.

  24. AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ = inferior + 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  25. Ublock does less & eats more vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  26. Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ghostery do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you by a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (e.g. stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory use vs. addons

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on Ghostery doing all that let alone as well as hosts do!

    APK

    P.S.=> Addons do FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts by way of comparison, do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

    Addons add complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ClarityRay DETECTS browser addons like Ghostery & blocks them (not hosts) via native browser methods.

    What's better by FAR (see above)?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    ... apk

  27. As easy as using what you have already... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & adds speed, security, + reliability, doing more with less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues - obtaining its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community!

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"...

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  28. AdBlock+ = Inferior & 'Souled-Out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ab+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  29. It's NOT about that: It's about this... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but I don't want to be an emperor. That's not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone - if possible - Jew, Gentile - black man - white.

    We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other's happiness - not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

    Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.

    We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness.

    Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost....

    The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men - cries out for universal brotherhood - for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world - millions of despairing men, women, and little children - victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

    To those who can hear me, I say - do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed - the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

    Soldiers: Don't give yourselves to brutes - men who despise you - enslave you - who regiment your lives - tell you what to do - what to think and what to feel! Who drill you - diet you - treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Donâ(TM)t give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts!

    You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts!

    You don't hate! Only the unloved hate - the unloved and the unnatural! Soldiers! Donâ(TM)t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty!

    In the 17th Chapter of St Luke it is written: "the Kingdom of God is within man" - not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you!

    You, the people have the power - the power to create machines. The power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.

    Then - in the name of democracy - let us use that power - let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world - a decent world that will give men a chance to work - that will give youth a future and old age a security.

    By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfil that promise. They never will!

    Dictators free themselves but they enslave the people!

    Now let us fight to fulfil that promise! Let us fight to free the world - to do away with national barriers - to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.

    Soldiers: in the name of democracy, let us all unite!

    * FROM -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    APK

    P.S.=> Quoting a great man (Charlie Chaplin) from LONG AGO on that one - he said it better than I ever could... apk