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The Mystery of Acupuncture Partly Explained In Rat Study

hackingbear writes: A biological mechanism explaining part of the mystery of acupuncture has been pinpointed by scientists studying rats. The research showed that applying electroacupuncture to an especially powerful acupuncture point known as stomach meridian point 36 (St36) affected a complex interaction between hormones known as the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal (HPA) axis. In stressed rats exposed to unpleasant cold stimulation, HPA activity was reduced (abstract). The findings provide the strongest evidence yet that the ancient Chinese therapy has more than a placebo effect when used to treat chronic stress, it is claimed. "Some antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs exert their therapeutic effects on these same mechanisms," said lead investigator Dr Ladan Eshkevari, from Georgetown University medical center in Washington DC.

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  1. Not acupuncture by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

    The research showed that applying electroacupuncture

    The Chinese did not have electricity nor does anyone claiming to be an acupuncturist use electricity.

    Try again.

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    1. Re:Not acupuncture by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Chinese did not have electricity nor does anyone claiming to be an acupuncturist use electricity.

      I like people who have strong opinions about things they know nothing about.

      http://www.acupuncturetoday.co...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      http://www.news-medical.net/ne...

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    2. Re:Not acupuncture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plus another problem is that this is one "accupuncture pressure point". IIRC, there are scores, if not hundreds of the bastard things on a human body.

      This study proves accupuncture is valid about as much as the fact that pork can transfer inimical biotic agents from pigs to humans causing the latter to become sick or even die is proof that the Old Testament is valid knowledge.

      You know, not at all.

      It may have gotten lucky. Or it may have extrapoleted a complete fiction out of a few observed facts and then felt fine with living with that "explanation".

    3. Re:Not acupuncture by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it's just luck, that doesn't mean it doesn't merit study, especially if some portion of the practices show promise. Imagine if we were able to turn acupuncture into a practice that actually has some science behind it. Real medicine could gain a new tool and people in general can be better protected from Charlatans.

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    4. Re:Not acupuncture by LeadSongDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly what the poster intended was that When acupuncture first developed the Chinese did not have knowledge of electricity.
      Not everyone is writing with the intent of addressing an audience of pedants.

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    5. Re:Not acupuncture by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The study is trying to determine if modern acupuncture works. Since this is the way most modern acupuncture is performed, the objection seems irrelevant.

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    6. Re:Not acupuncture by Chalnoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Passing electrical currents through living tissue has real biological effects. Sticking needles in people at random locations around the body does not (aside from the possibility of infection and other complications).

      Real therapies that use electricity are Electroconvulsive Therapy and Electric Muscle Stimulation. There's no need to puncture the skin. These quacks are just adding some risk of infection to what would otherwise be an almost perfectly safe therapy.

  2. Re:Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Press a needle into your hard drive at the 0x542d4123 address and apply a small electric current. This should protect you from all unwanted internet content.

  3. I see what you did there by mwn3d · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Pinpointed". Nice.

  4. Re:Ohh Ohh, do a rat study with healing crystals! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "why are people throwing money at obvious bunk"?

    I ask myself that every time I drive past the Apple Store.

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  5. Rubbish by mynamestolen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hate rubbish research and I hate rubbish research on slashdot.
    Stick needles in anyone and you affect HPA axis. Doh!
    Blast adrenal glands with electricity and you affect HPA axis. Another no brainer.
    The real test, if these woo believers wanted to test the magic scientific meridian whacko superpoint stomach meridian point 36 (St36) [help me stop laughing], is to do the magic at various points on the poor bloody rats and see what happens (including the little itty bitty points close to the magic St36).
    I sincerely hope no taxpayer money went into this particular egregious piece of flam. Check out this for NZ subsidy of this religion:
    https://kmccready.wordpress.co...

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    1. Re:Rubbish by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Fake acupuncture, where the skin isn't penetrated at all, was found to be much more effective than real penetrative acupuncture and acupuncture improperly applied (needles in the "wrong" locations).

      And the tests were done on human volunteers. Citations in the video description.
      =Smidge=

  6. Re:Mystery by ibpooks · · Score: 5, Informative

    The question of whether acupuncture (in any of its hundred or thousands of forms) is more effective than control (a.k.a. "placebo effect") has been answered conclusively -- it is not. Acupuncture is indistinguishable from sham acupuncture in numerous, well controlled studies. It is the theatre, not the treatment that has any effect; and those effects are only measurable in the short-term against subjective outcomes. In other words, it's risky (infection, organ/vessel piercing), has no more benefit than just talking to someone or sitting quietly for a half hour, and does not improve health in any known objective measure.

    The placebo effect "works" for a very narrow definition of "works", which is far less than what practitioners of these worthless treatments claim.

  7. Re:Mod parent up! by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

    They did use non-St-36 locations. There were four groups, three of which were given the same stressors, with a fourth given no stressors and no treatment. The stressor groups received either St-36 treatment, treatment where needles were not inserted into any meridian point, or no treatment. I imagine an argument could be made for a group given treatment but not stressors.

    I don't know if this provides any vindication for acupuncture (or even electroacupuncture)--something like this really needs to be repeated before I'll believe it--but the research was a little more robust than you imply.

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  8. Re:I'm laughing by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, at a point that "just happens" to be what that ancient practice declared to be just the right point. Much like earlier FMRI studies showed that the visual cortex was affected by needles into the foot, but only at a point that "just happened" to be exactly the point the acupuncturists said was related to vision.

    So how many "just happens" will it take for you? Will you continue to heap derision on each study that moves closer to proof?