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Researchers Demonstrate the World's First White Lasers

An anonymous reader writes: Scientists and engineers at Arizona State University, in Tempe, have created the first lasers that can shine light over the full spectrum of visible colors. The device's inventors suggest the laser could find use in video displays, solid-state lighting, and a laser-based version of Wi-Fi. Although previous research has created red, blue, green and other lasers, each of these lasers usually only emitted one color of light. Creating a monolithic structure capable of emitting red, green, and blue all at once has proven difficult because it requires combining very different semiconductors. Growing such mismatched crystals right next to each other often results in fatal defects throughout each of these materials. But now scientists say they've overcome that problem. The heart of the new device is a sheet only nanometers thick made of a semiconducting alloy of zinc, cadmium, sulfur, and selenium. The sheet is divided into different segments. When excited with a pulse of light, the segments rich in cadmium and selenium gave off red light; those rich in cadmium and sulfur emitted green light; and those rich in zinc and sulfur glowed blue.

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  1. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It wasn't nanotubes, or 3D printed, or made by Elon Musk??? WTH!?

    1. Re:What? by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, plus it came from a "party school", not one of those elite left or right coast schools

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    2. Re:What? by idji · · Score: 1

      you forgot a new battery technology or graphite breakthrough!

  2. 'White' light by Kaenneth · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Real full spectrum 'white' light, or just equalized peaks in the spectrum for RGB?

    1. Re:'White' light by Khyber · · Score: 1

      EQ Peaks. Three tunable emitter crystals on the same substrate.

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  3. Laser whut? by JazzXP · · Score: 1

    Isn't the point of a laser that it's a single wavelength? Doesn't this fly in the face of that or am I missing something?

    1. Re:Laser whut? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      This is a tunable multi-wavelength laser with tunable red, green, and blue emitters. This makes it useful for scanning various things with different wavelengths at the same time so you may get multiple measurements at once. Good for protein fluorescence and stuff.

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    2. Re:Laser whut? by Temkin · · Score: 1

      Isn't the point of a laser that it's a single wavelength? Doesn't this fly in the face of that or am I missing something?

      Coherence & single wave length. A laser has all the waves in lock step.

    3. Re: Laser whut? by goofynewfie · · Score: 1

      It's never really a single wavelength, just a frequency with (originally) a very narrow bandwidth. Very large-bandwidth lasers were developed about 30 years ago, and few-wavelength pulses made using truly white light have been available for nearly 20 years. These are still incredibly useful, as their coherence times are huge, and with the appropriate phase profile over their spectrum they can make near-arbitrary waveforms on a femtosecond-picosecond timescale. The big benefit with this is the miniaturization, scalability, and potential application to imaging.

    4. Re: Laser whut? by JazzXP · · Score: 1

      Thank you, helps expand my non-existent knowledge.

    5. Re:Laser whut? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the light at each of three frequencies (actually a distribution around a peak for real world lasers) will be coherent. There is also amplification of light by stimulated emission happening. So the device is indeed a laser and you armchair amateurs should just be quiet

    6. Re:Laser whut? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      no the point of a laser is that the actual light waves are coherent.
      the single wavelength is more of a byproduct of the process, albeit a very useful one.

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    7. Re:Laser whut? by fisted · · Score: 1

      ....what? there is no way for 'the actual light waves to be coherent' than to have them be of a single wavelength.

  4. White! by digsbo · · Score: 4, Funny

    These lasers are oppressing other lasers! They need to check their privilege!

    1. Re:White! by funwithBSD · · Score: 2

      #darklasersmatter

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    2. Re:White! by Agronomist+Cowherd · · Score: 1

      #darkmatterlasers

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  5. WRONG by Khyber · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is not the first WLL. Those have been available for at least half a decade.

    This is the first SOLID STATE WLL.

    What's unique is that they figured out a way to grow three different crystals next to each other on the same substrate without having fatal flaws.

    Holy fuck can the editors even be bothered to fact-check?

    Oh, yea, what editors?

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    1. Re:WRONG by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Krypton-Argon? Those purple-white 8000K+ junkers with a horrible green emissions unless the gas is under low pressure?

      Sure, if you call purple with a tiny bit of green 'white.'

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    2. Re:WRONG by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I don't know what kind of crack you're on but the lasers I used would put out between 2 and 4 watts with over 20 lines across the entire visible spectrum."

      http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/w... - Uhhh, what? I'm certainly not counting 20+ lines there.

      Also, a measly 4 watts? I've got nearly double that in my pocket laser.

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  6. Not white by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    So it's not white, it's tri-colour.

    1. Re:Not white by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Tri-band, multi-color, tunable.

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    2. Re:Not white by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      So it's not white, it's tri-colour.

      considering that's how it's always worked, yes

    3. Re:Not white by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      They are French?!

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    4. Re:Not white by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I'm a tetrachromat, you insensitive clod!

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    5. Re:Not white by idji · · Score: 1

      You have tri-color cones in your eyes. So this is white as far as your human eye can see.

    6. Re:Not white by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

      lol

  7. Just what the world needed by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Funny

    A racist laser, literally white power.

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  8. Summary is inaccurate by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    The summary is inaccurate, or at least confusing. The summary says "lasers that can shine light over the full spectrum of visible colors", but the article says that this is three monochromatic spikes, red, green, blue, which together appear white. It also says that the choice of colors is tunable... but tunable lasers aren't new.

    The summary also implies that it is "a" laser, but the article makes it clear that what they did is make three separate lasers on the same substrate (specifically "three parallel segments, each supporting laser action in one of three elementary colors.")

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    1. Re:Summary is inaccurate by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 2

      If the red, green and blue lasers can be 'tuned' for intensity then it can produce colors in the RGB colorspace, which is not necessarily the "full spectrum of visible colors"

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    2. Re:Summary is inaccurate by Jumunquo · · Score: 2

      For light, doesn't RGB cover the entire visible colorspace?

    3. Re:Summary is inaccurate by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not necessarily. While these emitters are tunable, I doubt the red is getting down to 700nm, or the blue going into the 400-410nm violet range. Most RGB emitters, even tunable are peak 630nm red and 450-460nm blue. So this wouldn't cover the entire visible colorspace very accurately when it came to deeper reds and violets.

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    4. Re:Summary is inaccurate by guises · · Score: 2

      They're also not LASERs (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation), but are rather laser diodes. Am I being too picky when I notice that? Electrical engineers tend to get annoyed when I point out that their version of lasers aren't real lasers.

    5. Re:Summary is inaccurate by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Not quite, but it's close enough to provide the illusion that it does. The discrepancy is easily seen by holding a picture of the blue sky up to the actual blue sky. In a side-by-side comparison you can see that the color is only approximate.

    6. Re:Summary is inaccurate by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Am I being too picky when I notice that?

      Yeah.

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    7. Re:Summary is inaccurate by guises · · Score: 1

      I'm not following your point. You have linked to a wiki article discussing one component of a laser. Does that... no, I just don't get it.

    8. Re: Summary is inaccurate by geogob · · Score: 1

      Yes, you are. The you are right to say that the origin of the name comes from a method to produce light with those specific characteristic. But very few to non device still use this method today.

      Gas cavity laser, laser diodes, chemical laser, etc. all do not pass in your restricted vision of what a laser ist. But long has been established to call laser a device that creates light with coherent characteristics as did the first early LASERs.

      In your world, it would be wrong to call a car a car because there are nor horses in front of it.

      And, by the side, the word laser is now in the oxford dictionnary. Not only it has a definition, but also its not (only) an accronym anymore, so uppercase is not called for in general use. Which leads back to your point: someone talking of a laser diode is correct; not someone talking about a LASER diode.

    9. Re:Summary is inaccurate by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Yes, laser process is happening in laser diodes. The electrical engineers are annoyed at your astounding ignorance of the subject

    10. Re:Summary is inaccurate by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Examples of active laser media include:

      Semiconductors, e.g. gallium arsenide (GaAs), indium gallium arsenide (InGaAs), or gallium nitride (GaN).[4]"

      So yes, semiconductors, AKA LEDs, ARE usable for a lasing medium.

      So yes, it IS a LASER.

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    11. Re:Summary is inaccurate by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. R, G, B are three points that form a triangle and using different combinations you can produce any color found in the triangle. However the total visible light available to humans is not shaped like a triangle, so no matter how well R, G, and B fit into the "corners" of human vision there are still other colors that they couldn't reproduce. Here's a chart that shows this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    12. Re:Summary is inaccurate by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Art class was so very very long ago, likely before you were a mote in your father's eye, actually. I never took any of the arts classes in college - I did take creative writing and music classes which served to fill my prerequisites. Anyhow, I may be wrong. Isn't black the presence of all colors and white the absence of any color?

      I could see using the RGB to create black but how does one manage to get a true white? It seems (I did not even do more than skim the summary) that there would need to be some filtering involved or multiple lasers.

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    13. Re: Summary is inaccurate by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I still get a wee bit finicky about the word "MODEM" being thrown about. The is no cable modem nor DSL modem. In both cases the signal remains digital. MODEM is MOdulation and DEModulation. Whilst trivial it still irks me a little tiny bit but not enough to actually comment on it most of the time. That and, well, the options are a bit clunky to type or to say. Still, I prefer to use the word router, I suppose.

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    14. Re: Summary is inaccurate by geogob · · Score: 1

      I do not know for DSL devices, but DOCSIS cable "modem" really are modem. The modulate/demodulate various flavours of QAM, depending on the version.

    15. Re: Summary is inaccurate by KGIII · · Score: 1

      How true. I had forgotten about those. Thanks - statement corrected in my head. ;)

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  9. Re:Great by weilawei · · Score: 2

    That escalated quickly. Knee jerk much?

  10. Well by p0p0 · · Score: 1

    Someone get the sharks. This is as good as it gets.

    1. Re:Well by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

      Sharks are endangered. Is seabass ok?

    2. Re:Well by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Must be great white sharks, though.

  11. Even party schools get top notch talent by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 2

    With the lack of jobs for PhD's in academia (and elsewhere), ANY academic job gets tons of applicants. Only the best of the best get *any* job in academia nowadays.

    You can pretty much count on anyone in the US who has a faculty job being one of the best of the best. Furthermore, this person is going to have access to plenty of cheap PhD labor.

    Don't be surprised if you see pretty significant accomplishments coming from previously disregarded places.

    1. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 1

      Apparently you missed my inherent snarkiness, having attended said "party school" and encountered prejudiced behavior like the GP refers to.
      Not that anybody from Berkeley has ever behaved that way ;)

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    2. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      I attended that school (and department) also and can only count maybe 5 parties in as many years. As teachers would say, you get out of your education what you put into it.

      They had great equipment thanks to major facilities of Intel and Motorola being two miles away.

    3. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I considered the academic path, but rejected it as too high-risk. Instead I went into IT support, where I knew I could be confident of always finding employment - albeit at low pay.

      The plan worked: I'm now employed as an underpaid helpdesk-monkey, have had the same job for the best part of a decade, and could have it a decade still.

    4. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by That_Dan_Guy · · Score: 2

      Dude, study up. I went the same path 15 years ago, right when the Dot Com crash happened. I studied my ass off, got a job doing the monkey thing, found cram schools to teach at, and as soon as I finished off my CCNP I've been employed ever since. I've got MCSEs in NT4, 2000, 2003, and Exchange, CCNA, CCNP R/S, CCNA security, working on CCIE written now (not a cheap test to study for, I'd have gotten it already, but spent years trying not to pay for study materials- the one month I've spent since ponying up has seen me get further than the past 5 years combined), and a few other certs.

      The trick is to NOT brain dump. Use the exams as a self test. Especially the Cisco stuff. The CCNA test bank is like 1000 questions. CCNP isn't much fewer. It's far easier (IMO) to know the stuff than to cram the questions (although I've met plenty of offshore people who have crammed it all in, and are now 100% useless)

      Your other option is to go down the Project Management side of things. I know a guy who did the monkey thing for 15 years, was facing layoffs and got his PMP. He is now the star Project Manager in the company who gets all the failing projects because he is the one guy who can turn them around. He does say he faces a ceiling not having a 4 year degree. But he is also facing ageism for being 55+ (He has had a very interesting and colorful life)

      In other words, get off your butt, and show some motivation. If not, you'll end up like other people I've known that got laid off and could never find another job to save their lives. If you do, you'll NOT be lowly paid.

    5. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Funny

      But hey, our academics are the best in the world at identity politics technology. Its researchers have added an unprecedented number of new letters and symbols to that gender preference string, making it the DNA of the anti-DNA world.

    6. Re:Even party schools get top notch talent by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Actually, scientists and academics have historically not gotten much respect. During and after WWII, there was a strong feeling that we needed science in the Cold War and Space Race, and they got a burst of respect, which seems to have run out. Anti-intellectualism runs deep in the US psyche.

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  12. Re: Progress by goofynewfie · · Score: 2

    I've got a CO2 laser you could look into :)

  13. This would look really cool by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you've ever played with a normal monochrome laser in a dark room, you'll have seen how laser illumination makes things look speckly. Illuminating with this "white" laser will make superimposed speckly in three colours, with the locations of the speckles not coinciding, so it would be iridescent speckly.

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    1. Re:This would look really cool by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I have noticed the speckly too, but could not work out the mechanism behind it.

    2. Re:This would look really cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're seeing an interference pattern.

      with the locations of the speckles not coinciding, so it would be iridescent speckly.

      It might also act as speckle contrast reduction through wavelength diversity. Although chances are the wavelengths differ by too large an amount.

    3. Re:This would look really cool by Misagon · · Score: 1

      So that means that up close, an image projected with these laser devices would look somewhat like a Pointilism painting?
      I am not sure that I would disapprove, actually.

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    4. Re:This would look really cool by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      Not just a projected image, but anything it illuminates (so long as there is little other illumination to mess up the effect.)

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  14. And... by WSOGMM · · Score: 3, Funny

    in other related news, researchers tightly focus light bulb light. They contend that their invention should have a wide spectrum of uses, but critics argue that their results aren't coherent.

  15. Re:Great by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    because such an accident has actually happened...never

    you might get stomped by a hippo that escaped from your local zoo, why don't you worry about that instead.

  16. This article is misleading and bad journalism by nashv · · Score: 1

    It was discussed since yesterday over on Reddit and the authors of the original paper even arrived to provide clarifications. That's how bad this article linked here is.
    See the reddit discussion here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/scien...

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  17. Pure selenium? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    "What?!?! No! No one EVER made them like this!!"

  18. dat's rayciss by mix_left_and_right · · Score: 1

    uh huh

  19. White Laser? by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Isn't that some kind of Privilege?

    Is Jesse Jackson going to get involved?

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  20. Great White Lasers by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Great White Lasers! Finally they're getting them on the sharks!

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  21. This is not a "full spectrum" laser by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    It is a discrete laser that can emit three distinct wavelengths.

  22. Actually, not even technically a laser by slew · · Score: 1

    While this first proof of concept is important, significant obstacles remain to make such white lasers applicable for real-life lighting or display applications. One of crucial next steps is to achieve the similar white lasers under the drive of a battery. For the present demonstration, the researchers had to use a laser light to pump electrons to emit light. This experimental effort demonstrates the key first material requirement and will lay the groundwork for the eventual white lasers under electrical operation.

    The thing they made is probably best thought of as nano-interleaved resonator cavity for a laser diode (which needs to have certain band gaps to emit the light). Apparently for this proof of concept, they actually had to excite this nano-structured cavity, with an actual laser. These nano-structures couples the energy to desired tunable optical wavelengths which are nano-interleaved and thus allows emission of "white" light from the laser diode structure.

    As far as I can tell, the breakthrough is to manufacture these nano-structures (nano-wires or nano-sheets) on the same substrate near each other (nano-spaced). To do this they developed a ion-substitution process which allows them to build the nano-wire structure with one material with certain lattice constants and later replace atoms to create a different lattice constant (changing the resonant wavelength of the structure), This alllowed them to make "blue" which generally so different than "red" that it previously needed to be fabricated with a different structure (making it hard to make nano-structures next to each other).

  23. Re:Great by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I dunno... Hippos are the most dangerous large animal on the planet. The mosquito is the most deadly small animal I understand.

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  24. Re:WTH? by peacefool · · Score: 1

    It's all about lasers, but no mentioning of ze sharks. Highly disappointing...