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Ask Slashdot: Best Wireless PC-to-TV Solution?

jez9999 writes: I have a slightly unusual requirement. I don't want to use some console like an Xbox, Steam Machine, etc. I just have a desktop PC which I use for most of the stuff I do (gaming, video, work, etc.), and it's upstairs. From time to time, I'd like to use it downstairs. Is there a wireless solution that will let me take control of the PC from downstairs, using the TV (HDMI) as the screen, and the TV's speakers to replace my desktop speakers? Ideally there would be a wireless transmitter in the PC, and a downstairs wireless receiver box into which I could plug the keyboard, mouse, and of course, the TV via an HDMI cable. Obviously Bluetooth wireless peripherals won't do for this as there's no line of sight between downstairs and the upstairs PC, and besides, I prefer wired peripherals anyway which I can actually plug in to something (no battery recharging needed). Have a question for Slashdot's readers? Take a look at other recent questions first to see if someone else has had a similar question. And if not, ask away! The more details and context you include, the more likely your question will be selected.

158 comments

  1. I wish! by iONiUM · · Score: 1

    If there was an easy answer to this, then everyone would be doing this to watch watch mkv files (with .srt files where you have to choose between them), and other things (streaming from popcorn site or whatever).

    I think this is a big gap in the market, but it's partially on purpose. Hardware makers don't want you to be able to watch downloaded media so easily...

    What I do is have a laptop with HDMI out that I can easily stick next to the TV when required. It's not ideal, though.

    1. Re:I wish! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      If there was an easy answer to this, then everyone would be doing this to watch watch mkv files (with .srt files where you have to choose between them), and other things (streaming from popcorn site or whatever).

      VLC on Mac + Apple TV let my wife and I stream DVDs during our honeymoon without any issue. AirPlay Mirroring sends an on-the-fly re-encoded stream to the TV, so it generally doesn't matter what format your content was in originally: if it can show up on your monitor, it can show up on your TV (with a few exceptions).

      That said, for the purposes of this summary's question, he'd likely be better served by something like a Steam Link, since it has wired connections for his keyboard and mouse (it can also work with Bluetooth peripherals), can operate wired or wirelessly on the network, is built on top of Valve's In-Home Streaming functionality that is already proven, and has confirmation from Valve (check near the end of the article) to be able to stream any content, not just content from within Steam. Plus, it's just $50. Chief downside: it doesn't launch until November.

      Related products or ideas:
      - Razer Forge TV/Android TV (seems to be limited in terms of what it can stream, may not have ports for peripherals)
      - Wireless HDMI (can be expensive to get low latency, doesn't do anything for peripherals)
      - Wireless USB hub (can be expensive last I checked, no clue how good it actually is)
      - HDMI over Ethernet ($20ish, but doesn't help with peripherals and requires your home is wired up)

      I had been planning to put my next gaming rig in my media room, but at this point I'll wait for a Steam Link and will tuck the gaming rig somewhere out of sight in a distant room (sadly, no server closet or a convenient place to put one).

    2. Re:I wish! by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      - Wireless HDMI (can be expensive to get low latency, doesn't do anything for peripherals)
      - Wireless USB hub (can be expensive last I checked, no clue how good it actually is)

      I'm starting to think that using these two in tandem is the best I'm gonna get. Ideally there would be a product that bundled them up into one high-quality WiFi connection, but I'm not seeing such a product sadly.

    3. Re:I wish! by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      - Wireless HDMI (can be expensive to get low latency, doesn't do anything for peripherals)
      - Wireless USB hub (can be expensive last I checked, no clue how good it actually is)

      I'm starting to think that using these two in tandem is the best I'm gonna get. Ideally there would be a product that bundled them up into one high-quality WiFi connection, but I'm not seeing such a product sadly.

      Intel WiDi maybe? https://www-ssl.intel.com/cont...

    4. Re: I wish! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did it only work during your honeymoon without issue?

      Next time if you want to issue try a honeymoon without distractions like things with screens.

    5. Re:I wish! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was an easy answer to this, then everyone would be doing this to watch watch mkv files (with .srt files where you have to choose between them), and other things (streaming from popcorn site or whatever).

      The easy answer is to buy an Remote Desktop Terminal that supports Remote Desktop Protocol v5 (so it can stream video) and has an HDMI output. But it's not cheap.

      If you want cheap you're far better off using HDMI Wireless Extenders and then sorting out the keyboard and mouse situation.

    6. Re:I wish! by Gollum · · Score: 1

      I'm working on a WiFi Keyboard and Mouse interface, using a Cactus Micro v2 board. This has an atmega32u4, which appears to the PC as a keyboard and mouse, as well as an ESP8266 Wifi microcontroller, which connects to your home wifi and exposes a TCP service to accept K/M events. Connect to it using your phone/tablet, send keystrokes/mouse movements to your PC, view the results via an HDMI over Ethernet extender.

      Still in progress, but sounds like it might address your problem.

    7. Re: I wish! by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Why did it only work during your honeymoon without issue?

      Because I have a better setup at home for watching media. She was already planning to bring her laptop and a few DVDs. I knew that the Apple TV would be easy to pack, easy to set up, and would greatly improve the viewing experience, so I tossed it in my bag and called it a day.

      At home, however, messing with discs and having to use a laptop to navigate through apps and menus doesn't sound like any fun, which is why I've ripped my entire collection and am serving it up over the network to my Apple TV via iTunes Home Sharing. Simple, less complicated to use, and provides both a better image quality and better sound quality than AirPlay Mirroring does, since I'm able to get 1080p with surround sound and don't need to worry about it randomly dropping out like AirPlay Mirroring does every once in awhile.

      Next time if you want to issue try a honeymoon without distractions like things with screens.

      Thanks for suggesting there will be a next honeymoon and for telling me how we should spend it. No really. I appreciate it. *eyeroll*

      We spent a week up in the mountains at a resort, but the fact was that we were both dead tired after the wedding and all of the preparations leading up to it, and we knew ourselves well enough to know months in advance that that's how we'd be, so we planned accordingly. Which is to say, we got outside exactly as much as we wanted to, but we brought several seasons of TV shows with us on disc, a 1500 piece jigsaw puzzle, and made sure that we booked a really nice room since we figured we'd be spending most of the time inside. We figured right.

      Plus, there's only so much sex and talking to be had. At some point, you need a break.

    8. Re: I wish! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      This is one of those times where what really mattered is what made you happy at the time. Those times are too few as we are part of a society. I am glad you enjoyed it and the person who replied to your original post probably does not understand. A lady friend and I, no honeymoon - we did not wed thankfully, celebrated in a car instead of even taking the RV. We spent about 8 months packed into the car, staying at hotels when the mood struck, and never really with a destination in mind.

      We'd hope on a highway and get off whatever exit struck our fancy at that moment in time. We went anywhere we wanted, zig-zagging across the country (back and fourth and up and down many times) while having no itinerary. We never really reserved a hotel room - instead we would call ahead before we rolled into that area and hope for the best. Many nights were spent in the car and many photographs were taken. Some days we would muster up the courage and drive straight through. A number of days had more than 1000 miles logged - some a few hundred higher than that.

      Why? Because it made us happy. The end result was well over 30,000 miles as I recall. We went and did anything we felt like at the moment. We had no destinations really. Once, in the panhandle of Florida, we decided to visit Roswell, NM. Our first stop on that journey was way down in in the tip - to Dade County and Miami and then out to the islands for a single evening. Sure, it added something like 1300 miles to the trip but, frankly, that was the point.

      There are times and places where opinions do not matter and where what you want is what is best. Cherish those moments. I will trot out the tired, old, cliché. You only live once.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    9. Re:I wish! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am thinking...

      VNC maybe? Still going to need a laptop at that point. I think VNC (Vino or RealVNC or even the FOSS TigerVNC) and a wireless HDMI connection may just be the ticket. It is the best solution I can come up with at this point.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  2. Used Machine by Stashiv · · Score: 1

    Get yourself a cheap used machine (laptop/old desktop) and remote desktop in over the lan if you really "need" to use that particular machine.

    1. Re:Used Machine by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nothing like using remote desktop to connect a cheap laptop to your high-end gaming machine and then trying to play Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    2. Re:Used Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing like an Ask Slashdot where the actual design goals aren't listed instead a partial solution is listed that probably isn't the right thing.

    3. Re:Used Machine by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I just have a desktop PC which I use for most of the stuff I do (gaming, video, work, etc.)

      Gaming, video, work, etc using a remote (as in not wired) display, sound, and input devices. It's not a difficult concept.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    4. Re:Used Machine by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I've seen plenty of similar questions on Stack Overflow. Q: "How do I do this really stupid thing?" A: "You don't. What are you trying to do in the first place?"

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  3. Extra hardware by darkNeko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can use a chromecast if all you want is video. If you want a more complete solution, try AirTame, a kickstarter product. The hardware looks good, but the apps and drivers are still beta. It works with Win-Mac-Linux tough.

    1. Re:Extra hardware by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I don't see how AirTame fulfils my requirements. It doesn't have slots I can plug a keyboard/mouse into, interactive with the upstairs PC. It's still just about streaming audio/video one-way.

    2. Re:Extra hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure it does. it's a micro-usb, plug though so you'd have to get a usbOTG adapter though..

    3. Re:Extra hardware by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      It does seem to have a microUSB socket, but as far as I can tell, that's not for passing USB signals back to the source PC; it's just for configuring the AirTame?

      All the AirTame's publicity is about the one-way streaming. All I can see about USB passback is this feature request (implying it's not currently a feature): http://forum.airtame.com/t/usb-input-passthrough/133

    4. Re:Extra hardware by DedTV · · Score: 1

      With the customer base of people who need what you're looking for being pretty much you, you're not likely going to ever find a better solution than the common solutions utilized by people who need PC access in multiple locations... Laptops and multiple computers.
      Every other solution is aimed at the much larger base of people who only need select features normally offered by a computer like video (Roku/Apple TV/Etc.), gaming (consoles), web browsing (phones and tablets) or basic screen mirroring for presentation purposes (AirTame. Which is not good for streaming HD video from upstairs. Roku+Plex or an HTPC would be better).

  4. There probably isn't one by danomac · · Score: 2

    Especially if you are looking to wirelessly transmit 1080i/p reliably. I've tried and wireless was so unreliable (display artifacts and whatnot not present with wired) that I wound up going to the crawlspace and running wires to every device in the house.

    I wound up only using wireless for phones and tablets, every other device that has a physical LAN port is plugged in. I haven't had any network related issues since I ditched wireless.

    Back in the late 90s I tried a wireless video transmitter (back then it was composite video) and every time my neighbour turned on the microwave the signal cut out. Presumably for low res video you could probably get away with wireless.

    1. Re:There probably isn't one by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Especially if you are looking to wirelessly transmit 1080i/p reliably. I've tried and wireless was so unreliable (display artifacts and whatnot not present with wired) that I wound up going to the crawlspace and running wires to every device in the house.

      Wired whenever possible, wireless only when you have to.

    2. Re:There probably isn't one by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this is a bit of a "when you have to" instance. Running wires all the way downstairs isn't really much of an option. Surely these days we have reliable enough WiFi to allow this, if the WiFi hotspot were dedicated to this sole purpose?

    3. Re:There probably isn't one by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Especially if you are looking to wirelessly transmit 1080i/p reliably. I've tried and wireless was so unreliable (display artifacts and whatnot not present with wired) that I wound up going to the crawlspace and running wires to every device in the house.

      There are proprietary solutions, and generic solutions.

      I've seen proprietary HDMI to wireless to HDMI adapters - one end plugs into an HDMI ouput, the other end plugs into an HDMI input and it's supposed to work, but no idea how it works internally.

      Then there's non-proprietary solutions like Miracast which is built into Windows 8/8.1 and can cast your screen to it, but it's laggy as all heck.

      Which is to be expected - a raw RGB888 HDMI image at 1080p60 is a large datarate (4Gbps) so you're going to lose something due to compression unless you run 10gE through your house.

      If it isn't wired, you're not gonna game with it.

    4. Re:There probably isn't one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That works great for ethernet. There isn't a good wired solution for USB over long runs. There are a few products out there, but most have poor performance in the real world.

    5. Re:There probably isn't one by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those old-fashioned people who isn't obsessed with widescreen, and I only use a 1280x1024 resolution on my PC; not 1080p.

    6. Re:There probably isn't one by mrbester · · Score: 1

      Then use a Homeplug setup to use the existing wires of your ring main. Get the pass through variety and plug in a WiFi access point into the downstairs one.

      --
      "Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
    7. Re:There probably isn't one by gurnec · · Score: 1

      FWIW I use Trendnet Powerline adapters where I have poor Wi-Fi coverage. This is an Ethernet-over-AC-power technology. Specifically, I use a pair of their 500 series. I just ran a quick test, and with a 1Mbps upload stream (from my PS3 location to my PC), I was able to pull a download stream of around 60Mbps - 100Mbps (it fluctuated a bit between those speeds).

      I occasionally have to reset them when they seem to lock up (say, once every 6 months or so), but overall I've been quite happy with them.

      If you do find a solution to your question for the audio/video/controls, I't definitely recommend a pair of these adapters versus any wireless option.

      (Of course, YMMV.... if the two power sockets happen to be on opposite legs in a typical 2-leg 120/240V North American home, then the signal needs to go all the way out to the nearest pole-mounted service transformer and back, which will likely result in a slower speed than otherwise.)

  5. Compustick by sectokia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can get a Intel compustick for like $100. Full pc that can simu wifi to a shared folder and play whatever you want, plus as it runs windows or Linux you can do anything you want

    1. Re:Compustick by ajedgar · · Score: 1

      Seconded. The computestick can stay attached to one of your HDMI ports, with keyboard and mouse tucked away somewhere until you need them, then you can simply share a drive or do remote desktop, VNC or run standalone.

    2. Re:Compustick by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can get a Intel compustick for like $100. Full pc that can simu wifi to a shared folder and play whatever you want, plus as it runs windows or Linux you can do anything you want

      A PC that can play Counter-Strike: Global Offensive in high-definition and costs 1/6th as much as my video card? Impressive. Or are you using a slightly loose definition of "play/do whatever you want", more along the lines of "do anything it was designed for?"

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    3. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem to be quite what I'm looking for, though; instead of forwarding through the video/audio/USB/etc. from my main PC, it actually acts as a separate computer. I'm literally looking to just take remote control of the PC as if it were sitting there wired up to the TV.

    4. Re:Compustick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do this, but then run some type of screen sharing app back to your main computer. This is pretty easy to do with Mac computers, so I'd image it'd be pretty easy with PCs running either Windows or Linux. For example, with a Mac, you could have a Mac mini in the living room. From the Mini, you'd just select your other Mac from the "Shared" side bar item in Finder and click "Share Screen". Once the screen sharing program is up and running, just make it full screen, and it's like you're using the other computer. Assuming sufficiently fast networking, this all works pretty transparently.

    5. Re:Compustick by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      You may be looking at two different solutions, then. One to handle the audio and video, one to handle the keyboard/mouse.

      Does it absolutely need to be wireless? Both HDMI and USB are easy to run over ethernet cabling with pretty cheap passive adapters, and it's the only solution that isn't going to have any sort of lag or quality loss. $12 adapters get you 150ft over ethernet cabling for USB, $20 gets you HDMI over 98 feet of ethernet cabling, and there are active solutions if you need to get HDMI farther. Drill some holes between each floor and hide the cable and that should work for you. Note that these don't use a network for extending, they use the ethernet cabling directly.

      If it does need to be wireless, it's not going to be cheap, it's not going to be lossless, and it's not going to be low latency. There are various solutions, like WHDI transmitters (~30 feet through walls, maybe $170 for a kit), or h.264 transmitters (~60 feet through walls, maybe $500 for a kit). You may also be able to combined the h.264 transmitters with a powerline network to get more range (the ones that I have do wireless or ethernet, since they use UDP/IP). Both will add latency and reduce quality slightly.

      USB is trickier, as wireless USB extenders are VERY rare. The few that I could find had all been discontinued, so the only option might be enterprise-grade USB-over-IP extenders that might work over wifi adapters (they're not tested over wifi).

      Really, just drill some holes and run some Cat6 cable with some cheap Monoprice HDMI-to-Cat6 and USB-to-Cat6 passive adapters. This will save you hundreds (or thousands) of dollars as compared to wireless gear that will always be a really crummy experience.

    6. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Based on this review, actually, I think I'll give the Compute Stick a miss. The fundamental problem is that it tries to cram a whole PC on a USB stick, with predictably dodgy results. I have a whole fully-powered PC sitting upstairs - I just need to forward its video/audio downstairs, and my keyboard/mouse input upstairs!

    7. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I already laid one cat5e Ethernet cable all the way from my master phone socket to my PC upstairs when I got FTTC broadband installed. I don't care to repeat the experience. :-) It was a nightmare drilling a hole through the floor and now that we've got it done I'm not in the mood to drill any more.

      Frankly, given the (rather depressing) answers here, I'm thinking the best option is me buying a laptop. I use WiFi to copy data between it and my PC, plug the keyboard/mouse into it on my coffee table, and use one of the various wireless audio/video options for casting the laptop to the TV.

    8. Re:Compustick by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Short range wireless audio/video is still going to have a lot of the same issues in terms of quality and latency. Some solutions will do lossless video over short distances (the 60GHz wireless video stuff for example), although I'm not sure about latency.

      What are you actually looking to put on the TV, though? If it's just media playback, there are lots of solutions involving either dedicated media players or HTPCs that are going to provide a much smoother user experience than how you describe using the laptop (they'll play stuff over your wireless network). If it's videogames, then there are solutions for that too, various in-home streaming options such as those provided by nVidia or Valve that can stream from your desktop computer upstairs to a cheap dedicated device (like an nVidia Shield or a Valve Steam Link, which will be out in November for $50). Those are not lossless, but the quality is decent, and since they're gaming focused, the latency is pretty low. They're designed to use a gamepad with them, though.

      So maybe something that is more specific to your use case might work better. Some of them (like the nVidia Shield) could be used for both media and gaming. I think SteamLink is gaming specific, it's pretty optimized for that one task and nothing else, hence the low cost.

    9. Re:Compustick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Play any movie...

      You do not want to stream any twitch game over wirelesa network.

    10. Re:Compustick by stevedog · · Score: 1

      With another computer (like the Intel stick), you can use TeamViewer to remotely view and control your main computer. LogMeIn can provide an even more robust solution, though it's not free like TeamViewer.

    11. Re:Compustick by asliarun · · Score: 1

      There are tons of super compact PCs available nowadays with Intel and AMD chips. They are larger than the ridiculously small Compute Stick but are still only as big as a few CD cases.

      Like this AMD A6 based Zotac ZBOX for example. Fully built up with 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, AMD HD8250 graphics - can be easily used as a dumb terminal (even as a decent standalone). Then use a remote desktop app to control your desktop. And get a wireless keyboard like Logitech K400 (or its big brother). You will still not be able to game (possibly) but you can pretty much do everything else.

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

    12. Re: Compustick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steam link, by valve.

      $50, designed for steam, it has the latest mimo wireless ac.

      But here's the deal, valve still recommends hard wired for the best experience. I think that is the straightest answer you are going to get.

    13. Re:Compustick by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      I'm using an MK809 Android TV stick that cost me about $35 on Amazon. Plays my Samba shared media over wifi flawlessly, as well as Hulu/Netflix/NBC/CBS, all while using the USB port on my TV as its power supply. It really doesn't get much more efficient than that.

      Instead of a TV remote, I use a "flying mouse" that you can find for around $15 on Amazon. Held like a remote, it's a mouse; hold it sideways if you need to type. I leave the TV's volume always on max, and control the audio thru the TV stick.

      It's slick, it's easy, it's cheap, and very efficient, and doesn't require *any* expensive hardware nor any cable running.

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
    14. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I think what I'd like to be wireless would be the video. I have a set of specific wired peripherals I've gotten used to and like (and I tend to find that wireless keyboards/mice are just annoying, not least because you have to charge them).

    15. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      It's various things to put on the TV, as I mentioned in the OP; interactive desktop computing in general, including maybe programming, possibly videos and gaming (although I do accept there may be latency and quality issues, the games I play tend to be single player turn-based anyway so that's not so much of a problem). It needs to be interactive so some media streaming device isn't what I need or want here.

    16. Re:Compustick by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      USB is trickier, as wireless USB extenders are VERY rare. The few that I could find had all been discontinued

      Out of interest, could you provide me some links even to the discontinued products?

      I don't see why a wireless USB extender is such an issue. Compared to the bandwidth needed for wireless video (for which there do seem to be some solutions), the bandwidth needed for wireless USB should be very low (at least for just a keyboard and mouse), no?

    17. Re:Compustick by adolf · · Score: 1

      Latency isn't just a problem for gaming. Latency is a problem for even getting a mouse to work in a sensible manner, with the feedback loop between your hand and your eyes.

    18. Re:Compustick by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      One example was this, which just flat out says discontinued:

      http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dprod...

      Another is this, which mentions wireless but none of the models seem to support wireless:

      http://www.bb-elec.com/Product...

      For that last set, the manufacturer's page has no wireless ones either, except in the discontinued section:

      http://www.icron.com/products/...

    19. Re:Compustick by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      The big problem with most wireless USB implementations is that they use the wUSB standard. wUSB uses a relatively high frequency signal with very penetration capability. It is little better than a line-of-sight connection.

    20. Re:Compustick by michrech · · Score: 1

      Frankly, given the (rather depressing) answers here, I'm thinking the best option is me buying a laptop. I use WiFi to copy data between it and my PC, plug the keyboard/mouse into it on my coffee table, and use one of the various wireless audio/video options for casting the laptop to the TV.

      If you do go the laptop route, and you have data you'd want / need to work on from either system, why not store that data on a NAS instead of moving it around?

      --
      bork bork bork!
  6. Intel NUC. by xenotransplant · · Score: 2

    Get a NUC.

  7. seriously? any research? any at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://bfy.tw/14ei

  8. Wires by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

    yeah wires

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    http://www.acetonestudio.com
  9. Get a Smart TV that supports the Plex app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set up Plex on your computer, install the app on your TV, done.

    List of Smart TVs that support the Plex app
    https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-...

    The Plex app is also available for XBox and Playstation as well as Windows.

    Optionally you can get a Blu-Ray player or other set top box (Roku) that supports playback

    FYI: Don't expect to watch anything in full HD over Wi-Fi (at least in my experience)

  10. Raspberry Pi by i_ate_god · · Score: 2

    If ALL you want to do, is watch your media on your TV, then get a Raspberry Pi + wifi dongle, and share your media drives on your LAN.

    --
    I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
    1. Re:Raspberry Pi by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      That's not all I want to do. I want to interactively control my computer from in front of my TV, too.

    2. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not all I want to do. I want to interactively control my computer from in front of my TV, too.

      you can control your PC with a tablet or smartphone over your wireless network.

      I've only tried Monect from the Play Store You can view your desktop on your device
      and control the mouse(among other things). It can be small depending on your screen
      size and monitor settings.

      Monect has free or paid versions and free software for the PC side.

      It takes about 5 minutes to setup, run, and operate like a pro.

    3. Re:Raspberry Pi by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to control it with a real, wired keyboard and mouse. :-)

    4. Re:Raspberry Pi by adolf · · Score: 1

      But you can't have it.

      There isn't enough bandwidth in the ISM bands to support what you want.

      You'll always have to run at least one wire. And by the time you run one wire, you might as well run the rest of the wires that you need.

      And then you'll wind up with a solution that always works, instead of a solution that (currently) cannot exist because wireless spectrum is a finite resource and your needs are beyond its capacity.

    5. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RPi + VNC (or similar). Wireless usb keyboard & mouse in the RPi.

    6. Re:Raspberry Pi by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Surely the keyboard and mouse is not the bandwidth problem. They use relatively little bandwidth (and with local WiFi ping time being under 10ms I don't really understand why there's a latency issue either) - I'd have thought the issue would be wireless video, the thing for which there actually do seem to be a few solutions.

    7. Re:Raspberry Pi by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Wireless keyboard/mouse is unacceptable. I hate charging my peripherals, and anyway I have a set of wired peripherals I've gotten used to and like. I generally don't like any of the keyboards they sell nowadays, with their odd layouts and stupid extra buttons etc.

    8. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I dois connect up a cheap PC to the TV hdmi. Then I can ssh -X, TeamViewer or RemoteDesktop to other computers. Plex is good for streaming media, but if you have a full computer then just get a Logitech wireless mouse/keyboard and play off a network share.

    9. Re:Raspberry Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what rdesktop is there for. Or VNC.

    10. Re:Raspberry Pi by adolf · · Score: 1

      The issue is video. The issue is also USB (which, by virtue of being USB, is different from "keyboard/mouse").

      The wireless video problem is a problem because HDMI doing 1080p is in the realm of 4Gbps, continuous. Of course it can be compressed to be transmitted without wires (hi there, ATSC!), but that always adds latency and (quite often horrific-looking) compression artifacts in the consumer realm. One can reduce the bandwidth requirements by adding latency, or reduce the latency by increasing bandwidth -- such is the nature of perceptual codecs. (There is alleged to be some existing tech from Intel that can do a fair job of this, but it requires line-of-sight. Because, you know, bandwidth.)

      The wireless USB problem is a problem because USB devices expect near-zero latency -- and so do you. (Remember, old, slow USB 1.1 predates common wireless tech.)

      Don't want to run wire yourself? Fine, don't. It'll be cheaper, better, and faster to hire a local AV company to pull the wire in, and a carpenter to patch up anything they disturb, and a painter to fix what the carpenter didn't do, and a cleaner to mop up whatever residual mess still remains.

      Or get another computer -- I understand that some of these are even portable these days (I think they call them "laptops").

      Or just muscle up and move the PC for your once-in-a-while whimsical needs.

      There isn't anything left to discuss here.

    11. Re:Raspberry Pi by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      The wireless video problem is a problem because HDMI doing 1080p is in the realm of 4Gbps, continuous. Of course it can be compressed to be transmitted without wires (hi there, ATSC!), but that always adds latency and (quite often horrific-looking) compression artifacts in the consumer realm.

      There isn't anything left to discuss here.

      Not quite yet. You can easily stream 1080P at an extremely reduced bw easily. VLC does it, for instance. You can achieve sub-10mbps and still have excellent resolution, with artifacts that only a very studied and experienced watcher will notice.

      Making it a simple process is another matter entirely. Or, maybe it isn't. I haven't tried using a lot of the CLI options; one could probably use a web interface to browse the list of media (giving all sorts of possibilities with a mariadb and php), then use the VLC CLI command structure to play them... Hmmm...

  11. Run some copper! by lq_x_pl · · Score: 1

    Other posters have already suggested ways to get the video upstairs wirelessly, with the caveat that you'd probably not receive satisfactory performance for HD videos. It is manual, dirty, (sometimes) frustrating work, but so long as you've got the network infrastructure to handle 1080p streams, your most reliable performance will come from a strand of CAT6/7.

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  12. Wired = Wired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any wireless solution is going to end up costing you tons in latency. Bluetooth not good enough? You need wires.

    HDMI switch on the upper maching, HDMI run to the TV. USB wire runs for your controllers. USB needs a hub over about 25 feet.

    "I need, like, a computer, instead of my computer, yanno?"

    1. Re:Wired = Wired by Sowelu · · Score: 1

      Just throwing in my $0.02 of personal experience that HDMI is questionable past 15', at least with the cables I've been buying. Apparently you can get signal boosters that help though.

    2. Re:Wired = Wired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend a signal booster that converters over to Ethernet twist pair. Or some-other cable standard that is both cheaper and properly designed!

    3. Re:Wired = Wired by zlives · · Score: 1

      seconded

    4. Re:Wired = Wired by pigiron · · Score: 1

      Get a bonded pair series 1 cable from Belden. I use a 25 footer daily from a mac mini and get 1080p no problemo either from an internet stream, file, or Blu-ray. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/...

  13. chromecast by Velociraptor101 · · Score: 1

    Chromecast with a Ethernet cable adaptor attached would do nicely. If you wanted keyboard mouse etc. It allows that as well. It also can be controlled with a phone....

  14. This is easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Get an apple tv, ipad, and remote desktop software for the ipad. connect to the computer over rdp with the ipad. share the ipad screen with the apple tv.

    Done

    1. Re:This is easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.
      Add a bluetooth keyboard to the ipad, if you need better typing.

  15. Intel WiDi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Intel WiDi, I haven't used it myself though, but this is what it's for.

    1. Re:Intel WiDi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was my first thought too.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiDi

    2. Re:Intel WiDi by Trongy · · Score: 1

      Miracast is the name for the industry standard which Intel WiDi is part of.

      If your TV can't nativly receive Miracast (TV manufacturers give it different names. e.g. Samsung Allshare Cast) you can buy a miracast receiver dongle.
      That's the easy bit.
      From browsing intel forums, it seems WiDI is mainly supported on ultrabooks which have all Intel components, including the wireless network adapter and display.

    3. Re:Intel WiDi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Miracast is the name for the industry standard which Intel WiDi is part of.

      If your TV can't nativly receive Miracast (TV manufacturers give it different names. e.g. Samsung Allshare Cast) you can buy a miracast receiver dongle.
      That's the easy bit.
      From browsing intel forums, it seems WiDI is mainly supported on ultrabooks which have all Intel components, including the wireless network adapter and display.

      Also, Miracast is natively supported in Win8/Win10. It appears to be rather hardware-finicky.

  16. Have you looked at Roku? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    There are some issues in what you want to do. Some free video sites go to great lengths to prevent you from watching them on a TV (such as Hulu, but not Hulu Plus). But you can watch many sites (including Popcorn) directly on the Roku. For video that you already have on the PC you can use a free DLNA player and search through your computer (or your NAS storage device) right from the Roku. Control of the PC isn't included with this, but there is a free Roku app that will let you send video from the browser to the Roku. Between DLNA and the things that Roku can do directly without the PC you get over 80% of what you seem to want.

    I'm a cheap S.O.B., but I would suggest the Rouk 3 over the lesser Rokus or the streaming stick. A refurb from Newegg should do, although if you get a new Roku from the company or someone that has new inventory you'll get a newer product with voice search, a better remote, and a newer better product, even though it keeps the name Roku 3. Or wait, I think an even newer one is due out "real soon now".

    Alternately, I would suggest that you consider an inexpensive computer. Newegg frequently has a refurb HP on "sale" for well under 200 with Win 7 (and eligible for free Win 10 upgrade if you want to accept that) . Connect it with a VGA cable or pop in a half height video card for HDMI support and you'll have a real computer that can go anywhere on the web and do a lot that the Roku or other TV appliances can't do.

    By the way, Bluetooth isn't line of sight, but the range is limited and likely wouldn't let you use it between the TV room and the computer room.

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    1. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything in his request about playing media (although maybe he wants to do that). It seems to me what he wants is some cheap device that acts as a VNC client (with sound), using his TV as the monitor.

    2. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      There are some issues in what you want to do. Some free video sites go to great lengths to prevent you from watching them on a TV

      This solution would involve streaming the video from the PC onto the TV. If it can be streamed onto the PC, it could be streamed onto the TV. I'm not really seeing the problem there.

      Basically I'm looking for a solution that would be just like plugging a laptop into a TV, but instead, it's wirelessly connecting a desktop (probably using WiFi).

    3. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily cheap, but basically yes, your summary is correct. I probably wouldn't watch much media with it, and if I did, I'd probably be satisfied with low(ish) quality.

    4. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      I don't see anything in his request about playing media...

      You don't seem to have been paying attention. The one example that I saw was watching Popcorn (one of many many free movie sites that the Roku supports including Crackle). He did mention doing video, gaming and work on the PC but wasn't clear on what he wanted to use the TV for. There are some games available for Roku, even a few free ones, but I wouldn't call it a good gaming solution. I still think the best idea is buying a small computer to use as a media PC near the TV, and I'm equipped to do both; but usually I leave the media TV off and just use the Roku because of the convenience (for the things that it is suitable for).

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    5. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      See the post directly above yours (from the submitter). It wasn't me who was not paying attention.

    6. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yes. It was. "gaming, video". That right there says: Full resolution, full speed. Either one of those says that. Even VNC is not acceptable for either of those. He clearly needs something that will give, say, 25fps 720p at a minimum, probably 60fps 1080p at a maximum. It's so annoying how everybody tries answering a different question than the one he asked. Humans are the worst.

    7. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      See the post directly above yours...

      When my first post in this thread was written there were only two other responses in the thread, neither from the original poster. I can't be faulted for "not paying attention" to something that was posted while I was writing. On the other hand, you stated " I don't see anything in his request about playing media ..." when the original poster clearly mentioned watching the Popcorn movie service.

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    8. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      The submitter never mentioned popcorn. The first RESPONSE mentioned popcorn, but that is NOT the original poster. If you are going to chastise or correct someone (twice), if helps if you are correct.

    9. Re:Have you looked at Roku? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected, you are absolutely right.

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  17. Hardware H264 encoder on your PC by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    Make sure your graphics card has an H264 encoder built-in (the likes of geforce GTX 660 and up, Radeon I-don't-know-which-ones).
    This is what allows streaming of video games (nvidia feature, Valve's Steam feature) over the network. GTX 960, 970 and 980 even have a H265 encoder but you will have trouble finding something on the receiving end, as of yet. It might make using wireless more realistic but not that much.. good old 100BaseT would feel more reliable.

    For other PC use (desktop, even video) I don't know what you need to use (at worst, some VNC or Teamviewer thing). I think the best stuff is enterprise grade (Microsoft RemoteFX, nvidia GRID, Citrix whatever or something else) meant for multi-user systems and big $ licensing.

    I agree a PC on the receiving end is probably more flexible (NUC, Intel stick, older PC or a new ITX one)

  18. Android mini-PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get an Android mini-PC or as someone else said an 'Intel Compustick' (I haven't looked at those), plug that it to your HDMI connector on your TV, get Bluetooth keyboard & mouse to use with the Mini-PC & than you can do whatever your want with the PC upstairs either through just reading from shared folders or using RDP to the PC.

    Someone suggested that a 'hardware solution' as requested doesn't exist because the hardware makers don't want you to 'watch media so easily'...sorry but that's not the reason. The reason is there is clearly almost 0 demand for such a thing because it can be done in many other ways over TCP/IP without fancy 'receivers' & 'transmitters' presumably using a proprietary or 'custom' wireless protocol.

    Ultimately the person submitting this question is thinking WAY too far outside the box.

  19. best way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm doing it 5 or 6 years now, with a jaibroken atv (xbmc). Now i'm planning to change to raspberry+kodi...

  20. Not wireless by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    All the wireless solutions are flaky or expensive. Go wired.

    HDMI can go up to 45 feet. If you need to go farther than that there are HDMI to Cat6 converter boxes. Run the HDMI over the Cat6, run it through the conduits... easy peasy.

    If you tell me "I don't have conduits" or "this sounds like too much work"... You're shit out of luck so far as I understand the issue. That is how I understand that has to work.

    Yes... there are wireless options but the most you would want to do with those is maybe a movie. If you do gaming or websites or anything responsive... No.

    And even the movies is unreliable. I've been nothing but annoyed with all the high res wireless solutions. They all seem to be shitty.

    Wired works.

    This if you can manage it with 45 feet:
    http://www.amazon.com/High-Spe...

    Or this if you need to send it a lot farther:
    http://www.amazon.com/AVUE-HDM...

    That's 400 feet... but I suspect you could chain them together to send it a lot farther. Fucking miles if you really wanted to...

    Its not expensive.

    Just run the wire.

    Here you might be saying "but how do I use my keyboard, mouse, anal vibrator without close access to the USB on my computer?"... good question... and the same answer:
    http://www.amazon.com/Monopric...

    that's 150 feet... I'm sure there are ones that transmit farther if you look for it or care. 150 feet is pretty good if you're just trying to go downstairs through the conduits.

    I have a server closet in my house. Most of my machines hang out in there. Most of them are just VNCed into or something. But some of them I want a tight hardware interface to and for THOSE... this works.

    Keep in mind, you don't want to do more than keyboards and mice over a USB extender. They tend to have shitty bandwidth so plugging in a blueray reader or something is a mistake.

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    1. Re:Not wireless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VNC would probably be acceptable just for keyboard/mouse too. NOT what he is asking for, but I've been in that situation, and it was sufficient until I finished migrating to my 2nd computer.

  21. Valve/steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Valve are brining out a dongle to stream video games across your LAN for the purpose of playing them on your TV. If they can do this for 3d graphics I'd have thought it might be capable of streaming a desktop as well.

    1. Re: Valve/steam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just looked this up its called Steam Link it works over 802.11ac and can stream the desktop. Its due out in November and is available for pre-order.

  22. Prefer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You prefer wired peripherals? Thank you kind soldier. Keep up the fight. Lets end this terrible game of lag, dropped data, and endless recharging.

  23. OBS by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

    I've been playing with OBS "Open Broadcaster Software" streaming video from my PC to a Raspberry Pi. OBS is designed for live-streaming games, but seems to work well for general video as well. In my experience, there's about a half-second of lag, so it's terrible for UI, but the transmission is smooth, so actual video playback is nice.

    You should be able to simultaneously run a remote desktop session or VNC on the Pi to control the UI in a relatively lag-free way, hit a key to start streaming, and enjoy the video. Of course, this whole set-up only makes sense if you don't have a smart tv, blu-ray player that supports streaming, etc. Otherwise, why not just use what you already have and set up network shares on the PC?

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    1. Re:OBS by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Otherwise, why not just use what you already have and set up network shares on the PC?

      Because I'm thinking of more interactive things that just video, in addition. Like browsing the web and doing email stuff. Maybe even some Visual Studio development. It can just be nicer doing that in the living room on a comfy sofa with the TV than in the study.

    2. Re:OBS by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Right, I get that, and I should've been clearer in how I wrote my comment. It was more of a rhetorical question to acknowledge that the system that I described is a little round-about, and that if the use-case was more limited, there would be better answers for a subset of what you want to do.

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    3. Re:OBS by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Is there some reason you can't use a pi to remote desktop or VNC your desktop PC while using the TV as the pi's screen? You could probably build the entire setup for under $150.

      If the remote desktop solution isn't acceptable for streaming video, then you can just use VLC or the pi itself to stream it.

      If for some reason you don't want to do that, use a wireless HDMI cable (I'm assuming they make such a thing, if not then I suggest you man up and poke some holes in your wall) to clone the desktop monitor to the TV and use a headless pi running synergy to share the mouse and keyboard back to your desktop.

    4. Re:OBS by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Is there some reason you can't use a pi to remote desktop or VNC your desktop PC while using the TV as the pi's screen? You could probably build the entire setup for under $150.

      Because then I'd have to use a wireless keyboard/mouse and I cant stand those. I want something to plug them in to. I'm guessing there's no "receiver box for USB peripherals" that could be plugged into the mains as I'd hoped, so it looks like I'm going to need to use a laptop.

    5. Re:OBS by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      Because then I'd have to use a wireless keyboard/mouse and I cant stand those. I want something to plug them in to

      You plug them into the pi. The pi shares them to the desktop PC over your favorite 802.11 protocol via Synergy. The pi is kept headless, and in theory can be run completely wirelessly (get one of those external batteries with the USB outputs for charging cell phones).

  24. MythTV? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Perhaps overkill for what you want, but MythTV can be be used across multiple systems in a client-server setup for live/recorded TV, photos, videos... You can install the server on your desktop, with a capture card if you want live or recorded cable/OTA TV, and the client side on a less-capable system attached to your TV (really easily if your TV has a VGA port (like mine) or your PC has an HDMI port ...). All you need is to network the two systems. It can also be controlled via a remote or keyboard. Not sure how to configure the remote to work on the client as I have a combined one-system client+server setup.

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  25. VDI thin client, maybe Android TV box by kosmosik · · Score: 1

    > I have a slightly unusual requirement.

    Nothing really unusual about this.

    > I just have a desktop PC which I use for most of the stuff I do (gaming, video, work, etc.),
    > and it's upstairs. From time to time, I'd like to use it downstairs. Is there a wireless solution
    > that will let me take control of the PC from downstairs, using the TV (HDMI) as the screen,
    > and the TV's speakers to replace my desktop speakers?

    What you are asking is how to work remotely from TV room to your personal computer.

    You haven't specified any essential details so I need to ask:

    What kind of stuff you wish to do remotely?

    1) Just access photos on your PC and maybe some media (music, videos streaming)?

    For that you need just a simple network media player attached to your TV. Also you need a modest wifi connection between your TV and your PC. Anything that has wifi, can output via HDMI, has a remote and plays media files (photos, audio, video) will do.

    2) Maybe do some office work on it?

    For that you need a thin client. Probably Android based. That can do VNC or RDP. Also some input devices for that box (USB or wireless keyboard and mouse). And a modest wifi connection.

    3) Gaming?

    If you even think about streaming games from your PC you need a powerful wifi connection (like dual band, N standard, *fast* access points). And some device that can stream games from Steam - even small Raspberry Pi box could do that but network performance is essential.

    So given above three points you need to have:
    - configured wireless or wired network connection between the TV and your PC
    - somekind of client device at your TV (Android based set-top box or dongle, something like PCoIP thin client, small Linux client (like RasPI))
    - some input devices for your TV - depending on what you want - a remote control for media, a keyboard and mouse for workflow, a gamepad for gaming

    But the one thing in common is to have network connection (wireless or wired) between the PC and the TV.

  26. Airtame by duckintheface · · Score: 1

    What you really want is Airtame (https://airtame.com/). Anything that appears on your screen is sent to the TV. And it works as it's own wifi access point. The hardware is solid but the software is still under development. Worth waiting for I think. It will eventually work on Linux plus the other usual suspects, including IOS and Android.

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    1. Re:Airtame by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

      Ping works, but there's no site there.

    2. Re:Airtame by duckintheface · · Score: 1

      Works fine for me. But just Google airtame.com

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    3. Re:Airtame by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      $299!! That's a good start on building another PC to place near your television. Plus, if your computer is upstairs, you'd still need some way to use a keyboard and a mouse.

    4. Re:Airtame by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      I could do an entire setup like what the OP wants for less than that. Raspberry pi + micro sd + usb wifi (assuming he's lazy and didn't run cat5 already) + wireless keyboard/mouse combo + hdmi cable + microusb cable (for powering the pi, assuming he doesn't have a box of old AC adaptors laying around). Hook the pi up to the TV and use it to RDP into the desktop PC.

  27. Steam Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That adapter is called Steam Link. http://store.steampowered.com/universe/link
    Available in November, but can already be preordered for 50 bucks.

    On the plus Steam Link supports wired network, it is even recommended.

  28. Common Scenario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you're asking for is a pretty common scenario, especially in home theater solutions. In those cases the PC is in the equipment room/closet and it is used from the screen room. Lot's of wireless options are available for HDMI, and they are capable of 1080p, but you may be limited by distance and wall materials. Bluetooth is the typical choice for keyboard and mouse. and line of sight is not typically necessary. Walls decrease range, but Bluetooth typically reaches 30-40 feet through one wall(floor/ceiling) with no problem.

    There are cheap HDMI USB solutions like the Diamond Multimedia WPCTVPRO 1080p VStream Wireless USB PC to TV Adapter for MAC OS, Win8.1, Win8, Win7, Win VISTA, and WinXP. Their performance isn't great, so I don't typically recommend them unless cheap is the primary requirement.

    The IOGEAR Wireless HDMI Transmitter and Receiver Kit GWHD11 is a more robust solution, but be aware that it requires an HDMI port on the PC and its range is a bit limited.

    There are many other more expensive wireless options as well, but here's the industry "secret". Running HDMI cabling is the best solution of all. You can still use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but cabled HDMI is the best option. It may be a real pain to run the cable, but it's usually worth it.

    The cables themselves, like theAurum Ultra Series - High Speed HDMI Cable 50 Ft - 26 AWG - CL3 Rated for In-wall Installation - Supports 3D, Ethernet and Audio Return - 50 Feet or the Cable Matters® CL3 Rated (In-Wall Installation) Flat High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet 50 Feet - 3D and 4K Resolution Ready are cheap, unless you try to get them at Best Buy.

    1. Re:Common Scenario by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that I'd trust a passive 50ft HDMI run to do 1080p60, even at 26AWG... and 26AWG cables aren't exactly slim. If I needed to run 50+ feet, I'd use an active cable (like a monoprice redmere one) or some sort of Cat 6 based extender. The Redmere cable if you want something simple, the Cat 6 extender if you want something cheap (redmere cables are around a buck a foot).

      Bonus to using Cat 6 is that it's easy to extend USB over Cat 6 too, so if you just run three Cat 6 cables, you can use cheap passive extenders for both HDMI and USB with a cheap USB hub for the keyboard/mouse.

  29. ASUS WiCast HDMI wireless transmitter by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    Used to work well for me for 3-4 years and then suddenly stopped. Full name is ASUS WiCast EW2000 Wireless HD Video Transmitter and Receiver but not available on Amazon now. Pixel perfect HDMI transmission with zero latency.

  30. Here's wireless solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - refurbed slingbox for $64
    - wireless USB keyboard and mouse combo $20
    - amazon Fire TV Stick/Roku Stick/Chromecast ~ $40

    Hook-up slinbox to your Access Point and svideo output on your PC
    Connect USB dongle to your PC for wireless keyboard and mouse
    Connect amazon Fire TV Stick/Roku Stick/Chromecast to your TV, install slingbox app and start streaming. There will be delay so this is not a solution for realtime work.

      If you need a solution with minimal lag you'll need to string CAT5 cable and use keyboard/video extender - there's no way around it since video is too much bandwidth for wireless and needs to be compressed.

  31. Forgot To Mention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I forgot to mention wirles KVMs(Keyboard Video Mouse) like this Cables Unlimited DisplayDock Wireless USB Docking Station with Video for PC

    It claims to do exactly what you want, provided the range is acceptable. Though I'm pretty sure these will work fine with desktop apps, we've never had much luck with these for high res or framerate video such as gaming.

    As I already said, HDMI cable is the best option.

  32. wired solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a wired solution working very well in my apartment. I have an HDMI cable running from my desktop computer to my TV. That's basically all it takes nowadays. For PC games that use a controller, I hit Win+P and select "second screen". The video and sound get switched to the TV. I use my wireless Xbox 360 controller.

    A wireless solution would be tough since you will need a longer ranged HDMI transmitter / receiver to get the video from upstairs to downstairs. Honestly, you might be better off running a wire downstairs. For a controller, get a long USB cable.

  33. Re:What a CRETINOUS question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Beta" is in the same class of insult as "sheeple" - the kind that is used exclusively by its own targets.

  34. ClickShare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pricey, but it works and it works well. Plus the necessary drivers are in the device itself.

    https://www.barco.com/en/Products-Solutions/ClickShare-wireless-button.aspx

  35. Bah this is easy by Spankalot · · Score: 1

    OK here is how you do it. 1. Get a napkin. 2. Scribble your design idea on napkin. 3. Fly to SV. 4. Meet with VC 5. Raise $300M in startup capital. 6. Employee folks from ./ community. 7. Blow through $300M in short order. 8. Fold company. No problem..... I really do not understand some of the stupid questions that get asked on here. Almost as dumb as the polls...

    1. Re: Bah this is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanting to use a pc in another room as if you were sitting front of it.
      In 2015.
      Stupid question.

  36. There's quite a few items by DarkMagician07 · · Score: 1
    For example, you can use: http://www.monoprice.com/Produ...
    that will get you the HDMI over a distance using CAT6
    Then you would use something like:
    http://www.monoprice.com/Produ...

    The second is only usb 1.1, but for a mouse and keyboard you probably don't need much more than that. You would need to wire each end directly to each side using CAT6 and there might be other devices to run USB 2.0/3.0 over CAT, but these work fine for me. I run them about 85' between my kids' room and the living room so they can watch netflix and play minecraft.

  37. Your solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run windows (or whatever) in a VM. Have another computer downstairs attached to your TV, with wireless kb and mouse. Log into the VM from downstairs when you need to. Same machine, same resources, no lag like running VNC or other solution.

  38. I can't think of a cheap simple way by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

    Ideally there would be a wireless transmitter in the PC, and a downstairs wireless receiver box into which I could plug the keyboard, mouse, and of course, the TV via an HDMI cable

    I can't think of any OOB ready-made solutions to this. At least none that would be cheaper than buying a dedicated downstairs computer. Even then it would be a kludge: you could teamview from the downstairs computer into the upstairs computer; that would do it but it would be clunky.

  39. This works very well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.actiontec.com/324.html

  40. WD Live TV by honestmonkey · · Score: 1

    I have a Western Digital WD Live, with a wireless adapter plugged into one of it's USB ports. It works fine for what I want, which is to watch most mkv files. It has YouTube and a few other "apps" on it. I've got an older model, but apparently they've kept it up to date, it seems to plays most things I try on it. I keep a shared directory that I put files in on my PC and the WD Live connects and lists them all for me to choose. Connected to the TV via HDMI. These go for around $60-90 or so, depending on model, plus the USB WiFi adapter, $10-15. I keep thinking I'll get a newer one but this one still works well and my needs are not that complex. I've had it for probably 10 years or more.

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    1. Re:WD Live TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I owned a 3rd gen of WD Live (WiFi built in) and I must say a Raspberry Pi 2 running openelec is so much better it hurts.

      WD once were a good solution for media playing and sharing but they havent kept up with times...

  41. Answer for "why all answers here seem a bit off" by cloud.pt · · Score: 2

    There is a very specific reason that you can't find any decent sugestion on these comments getting 5+. To put it simply, there's no silver bullet.

    (for brevity I'll summarize my sugestion here, just combine the following: Control the PC with Remote Desktop for Android; Stream Audio+Video with Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter or a cheap Miracast Dongle; Have a PC that enables flawless screen casting over wifi, preferably using Intel WIDI on Win8+ and an Intel GPU; Have some very good domestic WIFI network; Forget long cables exist: they won't give you control over the PC, they are more expensive than a good enough router and they are cumbersome when you don't need their lenght anymore)

    Everyone has very specific needs (marked with * are yours):
    - some already have a gigantic library, so they need fast/reliable access to it wherever it is (also varies)
    - most (of the afforementioned) formats are picky: lossless/lossy/weird audio formats and won't play everywhere nicely
    - ...and they may also need subtitle support
    - some just want to stream popcorntime (or youtube, or hulu, or [insert your brand of constantly updated content])
    - others just want to cast their PC screen *
    - then they realize they also want to control it from afar...*

    But then, everyone has very specific, sometimes catch-all habits:
    - some want to use the thing everyday, so they want swift performance, intuitive UI control and quick pinpoint of programing, even some form of "zapping"
    - some watch sporadically and can take the hit on performance, usability, and even availability
    - some want to use it once a year, but they want it to be flawless that once

    Everyone has a certain flavour of a crucial part of the "system":
    - no decent internet uplink from the ISP
    - no decent WIFI for streaming HD content (remote or local)
    - no chance to wire the place around for solving previous issue
    - Linux, Mac, Windows, Android, HDMI (and its versions), DVI (and its versions), DisplayPort (you knwo how it goes), D-SUB..... USB (...Micro; Type-C lel)...

    And then there's the real nitpicky shyte: low power usage, low noise, below 50$, must use https/proxy/VPN yada yada. Seriously I think there isn't two people in the world that, whatever solution they attempt, both of them will never be completely happy with that solution. But there's certainly one for your needs and I have a sugestion that just might be it:

    Since you want video, audio, and control over two separate floors, you surely need to use that WIFI network. No way around it: and HDMI cable won't totally control your PC from afar. So you want at the very least 802.11n everywhere (router, tv-side, pc-side, smartphone-side). If you are thinking of streaming to pc from the interwebs, you might even need either wired connection router->PC, or alternatively dual band "ab" stuff so local throughput doesn't get chopped by the big mesh dynamics going on. Since we got the "medium" out of the way, now we need your "control device". Three words: Android Remote Mouse (google it). Now the most important part: how to get your display+audio out of that PC and into that HDMI? Unfortunately there's only one decent choice in my humble opinion (it has many names though...) Miracast/Widi/screencasting. And that narrows your choices a lot: PC side you need an intel CPU and Windows 8+ as they are the (to my knowledge) the most viable way to share desktops SEAMLESSLY; TV side, I will say you want a Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter or any decent Miracast dongle that suits your pocket. People say chromecast will also allow it but I wouldn't trust 2yo product on a constantly feature-changing (sometimes without warning) software platform.

  42. Used/Broken Laptop + Remote Desktop Software? by corychristison · · Score: 1

    You can usually find ~$100 laptop with a broken screen with reasonable specs on Craigslist, Ebay, etc. Connect to TV, plug in your mouse/keyboard, connect to Wifi (preferably N, or run a string of copper).

    Use some form of remote desktop software to connect to primary workstation.

    Essentially you've created a thin client. Network bandwidth and wifi latency will be the killer in this situation, though. As mentioned above, run a string of Copper if possible.

    Good luck.

  43. Get another PC aka HTPC by Simulant · · Score: 1


    This is pretty much what you need to do if you want the versatility of your desktop on your TV.

    Hook a small PC up to your TV and leave it there. A $10 USB WiFi adapter can connect it to your network. This is about the cheapest and most versatile solution. A < $100 box will do the job. Just find a small, old dual core box, install your OS of choice, maybe add some RAM and/or a SSD if you wanna splurge (also < $100) and you are all set. You can remote into or load files from your main desktop using pretty much anything you'd like. You can also stream anything you want from the internet. You can even stream games from Steam off your main PC.

  44. It's called ethernet ipKVM. Or hdbase-t by raymorris · · Score: 1

    An ip kvm will do exactly what you want. They are used in data centers to control machines throughout the building. You can get a used Raritan on ebay for about $200-$250.

    As others have pointed out, hdmi video is multiple gigabits, so you're not going to have Bluray quality video, or gaming FPS, without a dedicated tables. If you want that kind of video, the standard is called hdbase-t. You can run it over cat5e or cat6.

    You do NOT need to drill new holes and go through the same trouble you did when you installed the first cable. Simply tie a string to the existing cable, then pull it out, leaving the string in it's place. Tie on another cable and another string and pull it back the other way. Now you have two cables where you used to have one, AND you have a string ready to go for adding another cable. Next time, pull a string along with any cable you pull. If the holes are too small for two cables, just enlarge the existing holes a bit. Don't try to force too many cables into too small of a hole. Just take three minutes to drill it out a bit larger.

    Ps - for any new holes s, don't drill through brick, drill through the mortar.

  45. WiFi KVM by Dr+J.+keeps+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    You sound like you're asking for a WiFi KVM (keyboard, video, and mouse).

    Hardware KVMs are somewhat rarer now than they used to be, as software alternatives are now good.

    You might look at something like this:
    http://djlab.com/2012/05/porta...

    I have used good HDMI over IP products and good WiFi bridges, but never tried them together. On the software side, I was impressed with HP's RGS, but there are a ton of alternatives now. For small form factor PCs, I like the Brix Pro series.

  46. Wired or $$$ by Zmobie · · Score: 1

    Most of the solutions for this sort of thing I have done involve wired HDMI extenders over Cat6 and a wireless USB mouse/keyboard. There are "wireless" solutions but all of them are way overpriced for residential use and many are limited in application because they HOG bandwidth. Technically you can do it, but it won't be very responsive without using ac wifi. I personally ran my own extender to do this at my house, was actually really easy to do with some fish tape/firebreak drill bits. That is what I would recommend and just make it modular so you can use the outlet jacks for whatever (I actually set mine up to have keystones in the wall and at the top of the attic boards where they come out so you can move the actual cable between wall jack without splicing and re-terminating constantly).

  47. HDBaseT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't run a single network cable a use a pair of HDBaseT boxes?

  48. Serviio by bl968 · · Score: 1

    I use Serviio (Free/25$) and while it's not perfect it's pretty damn good.

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  49. Keyboard/touchpad recommendation - Logitech K400 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been using an old Dell Optiplex with Linux Mint from 2006 for this exact purpose for....8 years now. Its VGA output goes into my TV's VGA input. Line out goes to the TV's aux input. Then I can Remote Desktop to any machine I want.

    Use a wireless keyboard with touchpad. I've used the Logitech K400 and its predecessor for years. Do NOT get a wireless mouse for use in the living room; you'll regret it. Machine is close enough to my broadband router that I can keep it on a wired connection. As a bonus, it also plays HD video that I download from The Pirate Bay using VLC with no lag and no problems at all.

  50. Just run wires? by silverdirk · · Score: 1

    Harbor Freight sells 3' flex drills for pretty cheap,

    Parts Express sells 16' USB cable + repeater for pretty cheap (and you can chain up to 5 of them)
    http://www.parts-express.com/u...

    and HDMI cables go up to 50' (VGA is cheaper, if that's an option for you)

    This is what I did to connect the projector in my livingroom to my computer in my office. But actually after doing that a while I got tired of always needing my personal PC to be ready for use as an entertainment center, and just got a second computer for the livingroom and put Windows on it so my friends could figure it out. That way I also don't care if it gets full of malware as people download things; I just wipe it if anything doesn't look right.

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  51. Just an HDMI cable... by jtgd · · Score: 1

    I've tried Raspberry Pi (stutters under load) and Chromecast (also stutters) but now I just run it from my main Linux machine. The TV is in the room adjacent to my office and I have a 35 foot HDMI cable so it's essentially the second monitor of my computer (in your case I'd run the cable through the walls). I log into my computer through SSH on my Android phone (JuiceSSH client), run a simple bash script that picks the movie with slmenu and plays it through mplayer, which sends the audio through HDMI. With the onscreen (phone) keyboard I can pause/play, seek, pick subtitles or languages, whatever. If you want a real keyboard and mouse use Bluetooth K/M to the phone sitting beside you, but it's hardly necessary. If you want to go with Kodi (formerly XBMC) they have nice remote control programs that run on the phone.

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  52. Chromecast requires Internet connection by X.25 · · Score: 1

    Be aware, Chromecast doesn't let you stream anything unless it is connected to a Wifi network that has Internet access.

    Obviously, Google needs to know what you are streaming from your laptop to your TV in order to provide 'best user experience', I guess.

    They failed to mention this requirement anywhere on the box, but they mention "steam local content" quite few times.

    So, just be aware of it before you buy.

    I got screwed, since wanted to stream content from laptop in place where I don't have Internet. Whoops.

    1. Re:Chromecast requires Internet connection by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Is that it? It's how the USEU is going to become a dictatorship? Just because people can't be arsed to launch a video file from a file manager, stored on a hard drive with the computer connected through VGA to the fucking TV.

    2. Re: Chromecast requires Internet connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But VGA is *so* 1980's, darling.

  53. Plastic optical fiber by DrYak · · Score: 1

    In addition to the "use ethernet over power line" (PLC = PowerLine Communication) as mentionned by the other,
    there's also the solution of using optical fiber.

    Recently there's been development in plain plastic optical fibers (POF) - the same cheap one that you use to carry digital audio, not the expensive glass ones (GOF).
    (Though as they are only permeable to red light, and not so much to infra-red, you need a pair of them).

    It's just a pair of fibers, so it much easier and more space saving than pulling Cat6 cables.

    Latest generation of devices can carry gigabits link up to 25m with the cheapest plastic (PMMA) or even longer distance with newer plastics (perfluorinated polymers - which are also permeable to infrared, by the way).

    Termination is super easy: there's none, you just plug the end of the fiber into a mecanical receptor. It's as complicated as plugging copper wires into a speaker.

    Random example of constructor of gigabit transciever.

    It has better an more stable signal than PLC, and wwaaaaayyyyyyyy better signal than wireless, though you still need to run cables through your wall.
    It's much easier to run thourgh walls than ehternet Cat6, it's closer to running a pair of small coper wires for analog phones.

    But if you can't even run a fiber, then go for PLC. Forget about Wifi for anything but the mobile devies that only have wireless (phones, tablets).
    That will give you much stable connection overall, and leave much free bandwidth for the mobile devices.

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  54. $35 Chromecast! by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    Use a $35 Chromecast!

    You can send your entire screen to your TV with a Chromecast. You'll probably want to find some kind of wireless keyboard and/or mouse to do this.

    You could also look at Android TV and see if there's a screen mirroring application. I don't know if Android TV can run ordinary Android apps, but if it can, there's already a screen mirroring program.

    Finally, stick PCs are a thing. You could always run a screen sharing program on a stick PC.

    IMO, I think trying to connect a PC to a TV is quickly becoming more effort than it's worth. This is for the following reasons:

    • - I used to use my $1200 HTPC for Netflix and Youtube. Now, it's much easier to use a $35 Chromecast for these applications
    • - Now that Android TV came out, I think we'll get a much better experience with apps designed for a remote control instead of PC apps designed for a mouse and keyboard.
    • - Many smart TVs will have Android TV built-in.
  55. Powerline Networking is another solution by taliesinangelus · · Score: 1

    Powerline networking (http://www.newegg.com/Powerline-Networking/SubCategory/ID-294) is another solution. I hang a Roku off of a powerline network node and it consistently streams HD well.

  56. Actiontek My Wireless TV by pdscomp · · Score: 2

    Greetings OP, I have one of these rigs: Actiontec My Wireless TV WiFi / HDMI Multi-Room Wireless HD Video Kit http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi... I use it to sling HD video, USB and IR from my downstairs to upstairs, and it works great! There is a small amount of latency but it's not at all unusable. Sounds like it would do exactly what you want! I'm very happy with mine--normally I'm a bit skeezed out by Actiontec products (FiOS wireless router ugh) but this one has been completely solid. Good luck! Regards- pdscomp

    1. Re:Actiontek My Wireless TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to post the same thing. Been using one of these for over a year, works reliably.

    2. Re:Actiontek My Wireless TV by 4pins · · Score: 1

      Mod parent way up!

      Someone who tried to answer the question posed, with an actual currently available product and personal experience!

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  57. Plex by AshFan · · Score: 0

    I use PLEX server (free) on my desktop, and stream 1080 to my TV via the ROKU PLEX app. Works great!

  58. Wired into Home Theatre by frank249 · · Score: 1

    I tried Chromecast but hated it. Eventually I realized the best solution was connecting my laptop to my home theatre via HDMI. When I need it I just select the video setting and when finished selected back to TV. No need for special apps or even an internet connection. Even when my TV is off I can play music from my laptop through the home Theatre speakers. With Blackberry Blend I can see my incoming email/BBMs when I am watching movies. Video chats on my big screen TV are amazing and remind me of the view screens in Star Trek. We are living in the future.

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  59. Is it OSX? by sentiblue · · Score: 1

    If your PC was a Mac... you can easily do this... Buy an AppleTV ($69). Hook both to the same wifi network. From your Mac, you can stream the screen content (or iTunes explicitly for better quality) directly to the AppleTV which has HDMI connection to the TV. Now to make things even better... use ipod/ipad/iphone to install an app called rowmote (there are other apps)... which allows you to remotely control your Mac from far away as long as it's connected to the same wifi network. The only thing is... in order to see the screen downstairs to use the remote control... you'd have to manually begin the video stream from Mac to AppleTV... from then you can remote control

    1. Re:Is it OSX? by sentiblue · · Score: 1

      If you run windows... you can still use the airplay feature, but only within itunes... which means you can play video/music/photo slides onto apple tv....

      Information here: https://support.apple.com/en-u...

  60. Not an apple fanboy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AppleTv, Airparrot, Remote Mouse app (both ios and android flavors should work.)

  61. My setup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use an Asus RT-AC87U and my Onkyo TX-NR818 through DNLA Streaming and it works very well.

  62. Re:Whoops- reading more carefully... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, reading again, I see the question was even more CRETINOUS than I assumed. It is actually asking if windows has a MAGICAL way of using a remote output screen NOT designed for remote use remotely. That's a bit like asking how you go about making your current car fly.

    This lamer surely hit Google and read about all the post VNC solutions even an idiot will find - and clearly didn't like what he discovered- so asked here if there is a 'secret' method to make his car fly- I mean his ordinary remote TV act like a local output.

    Windows does have ways of capturing the current output and streaming the pictures across USB for the handful of WIRED USB displays that were sold a few years back. But, as anyone with even one functioning braincell would realise, having the PC monitor the screen picture, compress and ship it out frame by frame to a remote location has many drawbacks- lag and image quality when screen content is updating rapidly being two.

    There are a myriad number of remote control and remote working apps for windows that do what the so-called questioner requests- and all compromise on the experience of using the PC directly. PCs are so CHEAP (for things like perfect browsing), the PC experience is always best achieved by having a machine in each location. Again, an 80 dollar Baytrail tablet can be used to give a FULL Windows 8 experience (for browsing and casual games) at the location of one's main TV. Any MAGICKING of the upstairs PC output to the downstairs TV would cost VASTLY more than this, and save for some highly specific cases (like streaming games from a high-end Nvidia graphics card) would be a highly compromised experience.

    Annnnnnnd, after re-reading, you still have no idea of what you're talking about.
    btw, it is "Bay Trail". That's two words with a space, and no, that's not suitable for actual gaming.

  63. Possible but impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are wireless HDMI transmitters, but you would likely get significant input/output lag. For the money it would cost to buy the solution you are looking for, you could get a simple desktop with HDMI and plug it into your tv.

  64. It would be helpful by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

    If you told us what you wanted to do remotely. Watch video? Browse the web? Play games?

    Essentially what you need is what you explicitly state you do not want: a console, Steam Machine, etc. Maybe you could get away with a Raspberry Pi with a wifi adapter and Chrome remote desktop or Team Viewer. It might work for gaming if you can install the Steam client on it, and you should be able to stream video (probably better off putting video files into a shared folder or USB stick and playing them locally).

    But no, there is no cheap transmitter-like device that accomplishes solely what you're looking for. You basically need some kind of computer attached to your downstairs TV that can connect to your main machine via wifi. It doesn't need to be an expensive computer, but it still needs to be a computer of some kind, with wifi and USB ports capable of supporting a wired mouse and keyboard. Cheapest solution in my mind is a Raspberry Pi. Next up would be an inexpensive/older laptop or computer.

  65. Actiontec MyWirelessTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.actiontec.com/219.html

    I've used this solution for a while and it does exactly what you want. Has a remote USB port and 1080p picture quality. Works with most keyboards.