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Why Bill Gates Is Dumping Another $1 Billion Into Clean Energy

An anonymous reader writes: A little over a month ago, Bill Gates made headlines when he decided to double down on his investments in renewable energy. Now, he's written an article for Quartz explaining why: "I think this issue is especially important because, of all the people who will be affected by climate change, those in poor countries will suffer the most. Higher temperatures and less-predictable weather would hurt poor farmers, most of whom live on the edge and can be devastated by a single bad crop. Food supplies could decline. Hunger and malnutrition could rise. It would be a terrible injustice to let climate change undo any of the past half-century's progress against poverty and disease — and doubly unfair because the people who will be hurt the most are the ones doing the least to cause the problem." He also says government is not doing enough to fund such research, and that energy markets aren't doing a good enough job of factoring the negative effects of carbon emissions.

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  1. "...those in poor countries will suffer the most." by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    well, yeah.

  2. Does anyone remember... by Sigvatr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone remember when Bill Gates was evil?

    1. Re:Does anyone remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was before he was sufficiently rich that he could be noticeably philanthropic without effecting his quality of life.

    2. Re:Does anyone remember... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That was when he was running a corporation in a competitive business world.

      (OK, he kept it up for a bit longer than strictly necessary after Microsoft had "won", but that's another story. Plenty of CEOs do worse things than that.)

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    3. Re:Does anyone remember... by murdocj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sort of like the rest of us.

    4. Re:Does anyone remember... by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sometimes their "philanthropy" is self-serving. Paul Allen is currently in my country with his huge-arse luxury yacht with its two helicopters and two submarines, parked not at the harbour because his boat is too big, but just sitting out in the bay blocking the view. But because he explores shipwrecks and the like (something that he does for fun), it's called charity, and he gets welcome to park his floating palace at no cost.

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    5. Re:Does anyone remember... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Does anyone remember when Bill Gates was evil?"

      It's the rules. Every rich person who is not arrogant has to be guilt-ridden.

      OR...maybe he's a nerd who, having more money than most of the other nerds, can indulge his geekly interests in a more world-changing way than installing the newest release of Debian and vainly looking for something useful to run on it.

    6. Re:Does anyone remember... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. He once ran a company that attempted to push the boundaries of anti-competitive behavior, but that wasn't evil.

      If you don't follow, remember that in American law, anything that is not explicitly forbidden is allowed. And the only way to know if something is forbidden is to :

      1) Do it
      2) Be challenged (a) by someone who can show harm
      3) Have it upheld by the Supreme Court

      Anything else means it's legal, or legal in some part of the country, or technically legal while violating the spirit of the law.

      I remember when Bill Gates was evil, but I was ignorant then. I have since learned the law, the constitution, and relevant ancillary information.

      Challenge for you: Sadeep Napreeka (based on memory, not intended to be an insult) runs the company now, and Windows 10 kinda seems like a privacy nightmare. Comparatively, billg seems tame.

      So if someone should down mod you, it seems natural and fair. Up mod seems kinda shill reinforcing shill.

      Or maybe someone does not understand America.

      Nothing is illegal. Oh, yeah, that should be. Oh and that, and maybe that recent thing. Oh, and let's add that to the list.

      America has allowed numerous terrible behaviours, until they demonstrated social harm.

      Land of the free, and all that.

      Evil has a spiritual connotation. Care to defend?

    7. Re:Does anyone remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does anyone remember when Bill Gates was evil?

      Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    8. Re:Does anyone remember... by microbox · · Score: 2

      Infowars: where the crazies on the left circle around to meet the crazies on the right in an orgy of crank-magnet love.

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    9. Re:Does anyone remember... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      " I guess I've met non-arrogant rich people who are super lovely and moral people."

      A know a billionaire couple who are the nicest people you would ever want to meet. They own a closely held company whose name most of us in here would know. Fortunately my town doesn't play by "The Rules" I mentioned above.

      Let the politically frantic stew in their own treasured assumptions.

    10. Re:Does anyone remember... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      He once ran a company that attempted to push the boundaries of anti-competitive behavior

      They attempted, and were convicted of being a monopoly.

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    11. Re:Does anyone remember... by by+(1706743) · · Score: 2

      ...can indulge his geekly interests in a more world-changing way than installing the newest release of Debian and vainly looking for something useful to run on it.

      Wow. That's...a little too close to home. Please think of other people before saying such hurtful things.

    12. Re:Does anyone remember... by pipingguy · · Score: 2

      This one, I presume: https://www.marinetraffic.com/...

    13. Re:Does anyone remember... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      This is also true of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They donate a huge amount of 'free' medicine around the world to poor countries. There's only one very small catch: if you accept the donation (which it's basically impossible to refuse when it is likely to save millions of lives in your country) you have to sign a one-sided IP protection treaty with the USA. Not pushed by the B&MGF, you understand, it's a requirement of the pharmaceutical companies providing the drugs. The fact that it happens to significantly benefit the investments of the major donors of the foundation is purely coincidental, as is the long-term harm that it does to developing economies.

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    14. Re:Does anyone remember... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Yes, that's what the pharma companies want. The terms are a bit more far reaching (i.e. you must also respect US patents, including software patents). If the drugs are patented, then no producing them locally. If they actually wanted to make a difference, then they'd fund building factories in countries that don't respect these patents and mass produce them for local consumption. They'd help bootstrap the local industry and they'd end up delivering the drugs much more cheaply.

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    15. Re:Does anyone remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to be equating the law with morality. Or you're being really really sarcastic. I'm not sure which. You can be evil while staying within the letter of the law, and you can break the law daily while retaining your morality. The law, as you correctly identify, does not promote or enforce good morals, not does it prevent bad or evil acts, it merely forbids some things that cause proven (and typically financial) harm. So your post could be paraphrased as follows:

      (1) I'm going to state that his acts weren't evil
      (2) Then I'm going to talk about an irrelevant subject for quite some time
      (3) Then I'm going to claim that evil has a spiritual connotation, despite this also being irrelevant even if it were true.

      How is anyone supposed to "defend" against nonsense like this? He says billg was evil (not even super-seriously I might add) and you say he was too. That's all we've got here. You haven't really earned a response on the subject at hand.

    16. Re:Does anyone remember... by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      Legal and illegal are not synonyms for good and evil.
      In secular, free countries - quite deliberately so.

      Legal and illegal exist to maintain social order and allow society to continue to function.
      Good and evil are measurements of behavior based, primarily, on the consequences of that behavior.

      There can be overlap between the two, but they are not the same.

      While there can be a lot of philosophical debate about this (and how ideas of good and evil differ between different subgroups in society) there is a fundamental difference in design: good and evil considerations try to prohibit behavior of one kind while mandating other behavior.
      Legal and illegal only prohibits behavior of one kind, it does mandate what you do instead.

      In tribalist societies all that is not forbidden is mandated, they have turned good/evil into synonyms for legal/illegal but in free societies this is not true, we only prohibit evil - we do not MANDATE good. You're allowed to follow any alternative you desire.

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    17. Re:Does anyone remember... by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Careful there partner, ignorance of the law is no excuse, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... About the dumbest thing you can do is experiment with what is illegal and what is legal upon a trial and error basis. Best way to find out if something is forbidden, do some research or pay a lawyer to do it for you.

      The Evil in relation to M$ was a relative evil based upon technological and social uses, so not to be confused with the serious evil of the military industrial complex or the corrupt pharmaceutical corporations (they actually run around killing people for fun a profits) and for example, not as evil as Monsanto (they earn a category of evil unique to them).

      The most evil thing they did was to attack customers who were looking into and recommending Linux is a business sense and try to slander them as supporting terror groups and organised crime, along with labelling them a cancerous viral communists (that was done at the highest level in M$ and spread into every media outlet that would let them). Then there was the attempt to corrupt international standards and turn it into standards for the highest bidder, that was also pretty evil. The Windows 10 invasion of privacy, seriously the contents of local storage, that's pretty evil too.

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  3. Re:"...those in poor countries will suffer the mos by Joce640k · · Score: 2
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  4. Most global diseases involve energy and water by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having consistent power to refrigerate vaccines and medicines, and sterilize needles is critical to curing diseases worldwide.

    Moving to a more decentralized approach of clean power generation allows areas with major health problems from disease to leapfrog past other countries. And because they're not that useful in warfare, if done on a mass produced level and inexpensively, it makes it easy enough to maintain (just train people to fix them and install them, and set them on resupply and maintenance runs, with text messages for "out of supplies" or "power running low" or "diagnostic error code physical problem") using burst relay communications.

    Same goes for water. The Gates Foundation has demonstrated they could mass produce clean water supplies from ... basically sewage (human wastes). They just need power supplies to run those. If you roll out solar worldwide in mass quantities you drop the cost to maintain and install low enough. And you can use such devices to charge phones that use low energy communications. Most diseases in poor nations involve lack of clean drinking water. If you can't get clean drinking water locally but you can get it free from one of these devices, you'll use that. Nobody wants their babies to die.

    Doesn't matter if it won't charge your phone at night when it needs power to run the fridges, so long as you make it modular.

    Very good idea.

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  5. Two months ago. by kf6auf · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I think it was less than two months ago when he announced he was still not going to divest from fossil fuels. http://www.washingtontimes.com...

    So maybe he's moving from evil to hypocrite?

    1. Re:Two months ago. by VicVegas · · Score: 2

      Linking to the washington times is like linking to an onion article.

    2. Re:Two months ago. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Divestment is a political posture. It's the kind of thing you print on leaflets to hand out to the Freshmen. Then they can march on the Administration building chanting 'Divest Now!'

    3. Re:Two months ago. by Layzej · · Score: 2
    4. Re:Two months ago. by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      If he's taking money earned from fossil fuels and putting it toward renewable energy R&D, then that's a net gain. Besides, if they sold the stock, it would just create a buying opportunity for someone else; someone who wouldn't necessarily use any profits for altruistic efforts.

  6. I know why... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just like most really rich guys. Trying like hell to clean his dark soul from what he did to get that rich.

    Carnegie was a horrible horrible human being, he tried to buy his soul back with all the "giving back".

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    1. Re:I know why... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You mean bundling a browser with an OS? Or copying Apple's UI? Eradicating polio doesn't balance that karma for you? Really?

    2. Re:I know why... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just like most really rich guys. Trying like hell to clean his dark soul from what he did to get that rich.

      In the United States, we like a good redemption story.

      Or don't you believe in redemption?

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    3. Re:I know why... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      He's just doing what a lot of us are doing: donating time and money to causes we think are worthwhile to support. The difference is that ordinary people have at best a couple of thousand to give, and not much time at all. We get to choose which organisations to support, but with that kind of money it is very hard to get personally involved. The closest we come to real involvement is to spend a few hours a week as a volunteer, or to provide microcredit through organisations like Kiva (and even there you're not lending money directly to the entrepreneur of your choosing).

      If you have billions to spend and can afford to spend all of your time exactly as you please, then it makes sense to simply set up your own charity and run it as you please. You get a lot more pats on the back and much more publicity that way, but it's essentially the same thing as what many of us do.

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  7. Storage by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    I hope he is investing in storage technology. Too many solar panels don't help at night.

    1. Re:Storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It does if the power is being used for water purification, or to run simple productive machines like saws and drills. Most of the places that are in desperate poverty have very little productive capacity beyond the healthy person. the goal is a sustainable way to replicate industrial revolution.

  8. Re:efficiency... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fairness to Bill Gates, he's talking about poor farmers in poor countries where there is no real electrical grid.

    He's not talking about whiny punks in rich countries and their damned cell phones. Or rich assholes with private yachts and jets.

    Oddly enough, people in poor and remote areas are the ones who would stand to benefit from solar power the most, and they aren't the people who would be looking at reducing their energy consumption ... they're the people who don't have lights and really basic things.

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  9. Going to need it to compete with NSA by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Collecting and exploiting everyone's private data from most of the worlds desktop users requires energy... lots of it. Ask the NSA about their troubles with the grid. Bill is just doing his portfolio a favor by working to make more sources of energy available.

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  10. Re:Fallacy of Climate Control by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's his own money. Who cares if it's a fallacy? The reality is, eventually we're going to need to switch to renewable energy. Non-renewable energy will run out by definition.

    So if he wants to put his money into that, it might make the world a better place. And if it ends up with cheaper energy for everybody, it will make the world a better place. The cheaper energy becomes, the better.

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  11. Re:Fallacy of Climate Control by tom229 · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure there are clear probable causes to the climate change in Egypt and they have to do with the end of the last ice age. Now, what causes ice ages? There's many theories but no one knows. Many theories, such as the changing of Earth's eccentricity, have a good reasoned basis supported by evidence. Others, like crustal displacement, are completely speculative. The truth is, nobody knows, and with regards to anthropomorphic planet warming: it doesn't matter. The question is: do emission from our industrial society impact the climate? I'm not an expert in the field, but nearly all the actual experts seem to agree that they do.

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  12. On the surface... by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    this seems like a noble thing to do. So why am I left with this feeling that he is still a crooked, slimy sleazeball? I've said this before but this is straight out of the Robber Baron playbook.

    Act 1 - make as much money as humanly possible. If you have to screw people over or even break laws along the way, so be it.
    Act 2 - turn into a philanthropist and give some of it back. Note: not ALL of it, SOME of it.

    In the end, most people have short memories and will only remember the last act not the first.

    I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything good with his money. He has. But he's still a crook.

    1. Re:On the surface... by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 2

      this seems like a noble thing to do. So why am I left with this feeling that he is still a crooked, slimy sleazeball?

      Really I have no idea why people hate Bill Gates so much other than limited cerebral function. He was immensely successful in business, one of the most successful in history, and has used that success for the greater good of humanity. Yet you choose to overlook all that because he forced you to manually install another browser on your computer to bypass the default?
      Churchill, Jefferson, Newton, pretty much every major character in history broke some eggs to make their omelettes. Gates is no different and will be remembered in history for all of his good deeds.

  13. Re:Fallacy of Climate Control by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    That would be verified historical evidence.

    What you are citing as rebuttal is speculation.

    "Speculation?" That's a highly disingenuous dismissal of the efforts of thousands of scientists who have devoted their careers to uncovering the truth.

    Science is hard. Dismissing what scientists say is easy.

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  14. Re:Fallacy of Climate Control by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You've revealed a key component of the conservative world view. if you are a Capitalist Making Big Money then everything you do is good, and all your opinions are validated by your wealth. Spending vast sums on idiosyncratic projects (Ellison/sailboats, Bezos/Blue Origin) is your God given right because you made all that money. It is yours to do as you please.

    Unless you take the money you've made and do something that contradicts conservative dogma (climate change), at which point your previously unimpeachable opinions are all wrong and you are wasting (i.e. dumping) your fortune. Obviously you have had some sort of mental breakdown. You and your projects are then open to endless criticism. All that stuff about the freedom to spend your money any way you want goes right out the window (or Windows in this case).

    Hypocritical much?

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  15. Re:The poor and CO2... by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

    Nothing happens for some plant types, and even the authors of this study said may. They had good reason to.

    http://www.fao.org/docrep/w518...

    To quote from its abstract:

    The consensus of many studies of the effects of elevated CO2 on plants is that the CO2 fertilization effect is real (see Kimball, 1983; Acock and Allen, 1985; Cure and Acock, 1986; Allen, 1990; Rozema et al., 1993; Allen, 1994; Allen and Amthor, 1995). However, the CO2 fertilization effect may not be manifested under conditions where some other growth factor is severely limiting, such as low temperature (Long, 1991). Also, plants grown in some conditions, where limitations of rooting volume (Arp, 1991), light, or other factors restrict growth, have not shown a sustained response to elevated CO2 (Kramer, 1981).

    Note well that again they use the term may. This is because -- unlike you -- they seem to recognize that even though the effect is real and will have an impact in many locations and conditions, including those that generally hold in agriculture where one generally avoids growing plants in strongly resource constrained environments, one can certainly suppress the effect (or fail to observe it in the wild) in specific environments, and they go even further and note that the effect is differential according to plant type with some plant types more likely to exhibit a stronger response or be resource limited than others.

    The bulk of this report simply works through specific food crop species and estimates their likely response to a mix of increased CO2 and the imagined climate changes that are predicted, or projected, or prophecied (as you wish) by the GCMs that so far haven't done a very good job of PP or P-ing the climate.

    You would obviously like more papers:

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1748...

    http://www.nature.com/nclimate...

    (Abstract: Satellite observations reveal a greening of the globe over recent decades. The role in this greening of the “CO2 fertilization” effect—the enhancement of photosynthesis due to rising CO2 levels—is yet to be established. The direct CO2 effect on vegetation should be most clearly expressed in warm, arid environments where water is the dominant limit to vegetation growth. Using gas exchange theory, we predict that the 14% increase in atmospheric CO2 (1982–2010) led to a 5 to 10% increase in green foliage cover in warm, arid environments. Satellite observations, analyzed to remove the effect of variations in precipitation, show that cover across these environments has increased by 11%. Our results confirm that the anticipated CO2 fertilization effect is occurring alongside ongoing anthropogenic perturbations to the carbon cycle and that the fertilization effect is now a significant land surface process.)

    Probably the best review article on the effect on trees, in particular, is this:

    http://www.climateaudit.info/p...

    where in laboratory experiments on trees increasing CO2 by 300 ppm increased growth by 50 to 60%. Idso remarks that the problem with laboratory experiments is the opposite of what you assert -- it is difficult to grow trees in the lab without constraining their roots and access to resources and work he cites (in less abundance as it was ongoing in 1993) suggested that the response in the wild is even higher.

    In general, in the mean, increasing ONLY CO2 in the environments of most wild plants does, in fact, increase their biomass and the net biomass of the Earth has almost certainly substantially increased on average, allowing for changes in land use over the last century. The effect is pronounced and relatively enormous in trees (and yes, I can cite papers t

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