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North Korea Is Switching To a New Time Zone

jones_supa writes: North Korea has announced that it is winding its clocks back by half a hour to create a new "Pyongyang Time" — breaking from a time standard imposed by what it called "wicked Japanese imperialists" more than a century ago. The change will put the standard time in North Korea at UTC +8:30. North Korea said that the time change, approved on Wednesday by its rubber-stamp parliament and officially announced on Friday, would come into effect from August 15, which this year marks the 70th anniversary of the Korean peninsula's liberation from Japan's 1910-45 colonial rule.

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  1. And by Gription · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one cares

    1. Re:And by Mattcelt · · Score: 2

      I disagree, though not for the reasons you cite here.

      If I were sovereign state with computer-based attack capability, I would do exactly this.

      The entire nation now keeps a clock which is distinct from the rest of the world. If they were to release some sort of malware, they would have an exceedingly simple way of preventing the attacks from affecting its own systems simply by looking at the UTC offset.

      Even if that isn't the impetus for the change, it would be idiotic for them not to use it for that purpose.

  2. Only half an hour by swimboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd think to ensure accuracy, they'd wind back their clocks 60 years.

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    1. Re:Only half an hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm surprised that they decided on an even half hour offset. That's been done before - The glorious Democratic People's Republic of Korea should not be bound by convention!

      To counter the western imperialist timezone scheme and it's England-based meridian, they really should be at UTC+8:22:57 -- or rather, UTC should be such that it's PYT-8:22:57.

      All hail the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and its glorious leader Kim Jong-un, may he lead forever!

    2. Re:Only half an hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      They didn't die. They were carried up to heaven on a winged white horse.

    3. Re:Only half an hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Instead of making Pyongyang the meridian, they should use the glorious leader's real-time position. North Korea's UTC offset would be his longitude divided by 15. Citizens would have to follow his whereabouts to know what time it is, reinforcing general interest into the leader's activities.

    4. Re:Only half an hour by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The current assclown isn't going to change jack and/or squat.

      He just changed the time zone, so there!

  3. Time to update some code by Sneeka2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Darn, now I need to update all my timezone related code to handle all my North Korean customers correctly...

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  4. be glad it's only a symbolic gesture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Koreans, even North Koreans, have very legitimate historical reasons to tell Japan to FUCK OFF.

    1. Re:be glad it's only a symbolic gesture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Koreans, even North Koreans, have very legitimate historical reasons to tell Japan to FUCK OFF.

      And everyone knows the best way to piss off a Japanese person is to be 1/2 an hour out of their timezone

    2. Re:be glad it's only a symbolic gesture by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Koreans, even North Koreans, have very legitimate historical reasons to tell Japan to FUCK OFF.

      That is true, but how does THIS have anything to do with what Japan did to them before WW2? How's it harm Japan if NK want's to change their wristwatches? Yea, I'm sure that has half of Tokyo shaking in their boots....

      This is not much more than symbolic, but NK has been reduced to making symbolic gestures for decades. (Hey, isn't that little'Un with is middle finger in the air again?) I'm laughing over here in North America, and I'm sure about all that's shaking in Japan is heads..

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  5. North Korean Industry: Precision but not Accuracy by cruff · · Score: 2

    Just like their missiles, the North Korean time keeping industry must be very precise, but the accuracy doesn't match the real world. :-) Actually, looking at the maps, their new timezone probably means it will be closer to solar noon when their clocks say so. All kinds of strangeness related to timezones anyway, all over the world.

  6. Update the Year? by hduff · · Score: 2

    Will it also update the year in Best Korea from 1954?

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  7. Eh, sexy lady by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

    Op, op, op, op
    Oppa Pyongyang style.

  8. Re:North Korean Industry: Precision but not Accura by WoodburyMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Unified Korea actually set a Timezone of +8:30 GMT back in 1910. In 1912 when Japan took over, it was reset to Japanese +8:00 GMT. After liberation, South Korea briefly for a year or two went back to +8:30 for a few years in the 50's I believe, but reverted to Japanese +8:00 for economic reasons.

  9. Re:Wouldn't it make more sense? by Adriax · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nah. Having that time offset would be admitting someone else is the center of time.
    NK is really +0 and everyone else is at a -24 or more offset from them. And it has always been this way since the Eternal President created the concept of time 67 years ago.

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  10. Re:not the only coutry by Cigaes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    France is in the same time zone as most of Europe, from Spain (9.3W-3.3E) to Macedonia (20.5E-23.0E). Why should it want to be on the same time zone as the UK, which nowadays is part of America? The French lifestyle is already shifted towards late hours: summertime UTC+2 makes the daytime better matched to it, and would do so even in winter. UTC+3 would probably be even better, in fact.

  11. Re:Why the announcement? by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

    The news is that there is something new to say about North Korea that is neither crack pot pretentious threats nor a violation of human rights.

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  12. 13 minutes off, 27 hours per day by X10 · · Score: 2

    The Great Leader doesn't want to conform to imperialist standards, so his new standard is 13 minutes off hours, and its days are 27 hours long so his people can work longer hours. Also, the Gread Leader made Earth rotate slower, to match is new time standard. On His birthday, as his PR agency announced, Earth will stand still for an hour out of respect for the Great Leader. This is all true, I kid you not.

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    1. Re:13 minutes off, 27 hours per day by daremonai · · Score: 5, Funny

      do I have to get an ugly $2.00 haircut and gain 20 lbs in the gut ...?

      Admit it, you were probably going to do that anyway, Great Leader or no.

  13. Re: You go little Un... by therufus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all they need is some electricity to power them up.

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  14. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Second dumbest thing. Don't forget daylight savings.

  15. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Um, timezones are needed, but summer/winter time changes are not.

  16. Wait... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Funny

    North Korea has clocks?

    1. Re:Wait... by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm surprised they haven't made a sundial made out a pointing Dear Leader statue.

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  17. It's a move for isolation by davidleelambert · · Score: 2

    Now there's an odd half-hour difference with both land neighbours. On the other hand, now DPRK will have an integer-hours difference between its times and those in India, Iran and Afghanistan.

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    1. Re:It's a move for isolation by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now there's an odd half-hour difference with both land neighbours. On the other hand, now DPRK will have an integer-hours difference between its times and those in India, Iran and Afghanistan.

      And Newfoundland. The Labrador part of the province is at UTC-4, while the Newfoundland half is UTC-3.5.

      And you wonder why Canadians always treat Newfies as different.

      Incidentally, yes, that province was the source for both dog breeds, and apparently, the names got switched around - what we know as the Labrador Retriever was originally the Newfoundland, and vice-versa. Then again, easier to say a Lab than Newfie, I suppose.

  18. Re:not the only coutry by etash · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's where it geographically should be (Greenwich meridian) and it isn't for political reasons. It's not just what you said, but also reasons such as differentiating from the UK.France's time was GMT+0 and it was changed by occupying Nazis. When the war ended, there was a decision to change it back but it was canceled.

    Spain is in the "wrong" time-zone as well due to Franco's decision during WW2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  19. Re:not the only coutry by etash · · Score: 2

    why get rid of them ?

    what you're saying is totally unrelated to my point. My point is that NK is not the only country in the world that does the "crazy enough" thing of not having the time zone it should have.

  20. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by netsavior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it would take about a week for us to get used to UTC, which would be a great time to get rid of AM and PM while we are at it. So, lunch is at 1700 and sunrise is at 1200, who cares?

  21. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by Xiaran · · Score: 2

    If you meant dealt with them from a software point of view I have dealt with them a lot. I have dealt with fairly raise issues(how many people live where there is a half hour timezone for example). The rtick in computing with timezone is pretty straightforward and I am always surprised when people don't do it. Store everything in a system in UTC0. All internal times a dealt with in this way. The only time you ever have to worry about timezone or DST is when displaying them to users. This simplifies everything enormously.

  22. Re:not the only coutry by shadowrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ha! You just cleared up one of the great mysteries of my life! I remember sitting in paris watching the Eiffel tower begin twinkling at dusk. It was some ungodly late hour and I thought, "Man, how can it still be so light out? Paris must be way farther north than i originally thought."

    mystery solved.

  23. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by PraiseBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if he wants to call a company in Germany, and wonder if it is the middle of the night for them, he would simply have to figure out the sunrise and sunset times in UTC for a geographic region, and then estimate normal business hours?

    Thats sounds much more complicated than looking up a time zone, and comparing apples to apples.

  24. Re:not the only coutry by macs4all · · Score: 3, Informative

    It happens more than you think. Florida should geographically be in the Central Time Zone.

    Have you looked at a map of the U.S. lately??? There is NO way that Florida should be on Central Time. Perhaps the western-most part of the FL Panhandle; but not the majority of the "sock" part of the state, nor even most of the Panhandle. But in the U.S., the Department of Transportation pretty-much insists that ALL of a State must be on the same time zone, and for FL, that would logically dictate Eastern Time.

    Now, if you want to see a Time-Zone embattled State, look no farther than my home-state of Indiana. It STILL has some counties that are on Central Time, even though most of the State is Eastern (which it really shouldn't be, either).

    Here's some history on Indiana's Time Zone fun.

  25. Re:not the only coutry by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "moron" chose noon as that was something one could tell by a sundial. Base 12 is arbitrary but has its advantages over base 10.

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  26. Re:not the only coutry by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Base 12 is arbitrary

    Not really.

    It is chosen because it is divisible by 1,2,3 and 4.

    You want also divisible by 5. 60. There are reasons why 12 and 60 have been common for time and measurements. So you can describe fractions of something without fractions (or decimal).

    10, on the other hand, is less interesting, except that you can count to ten easily on your fingers. (The reason why it was chosen).

  27. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

    So if he wants to call a company in Germany, and wonder if it is the middle of the night for them, he would simply have to figure out the sunrise and sunset times in UTC for a geographic region, and then estimate normal business hours?

    I'm sure there's an app for that. I mean, it is the 21st century last I checked. You can check the web. Heck, I remember seeing clocks like this when I was a kid.

  28. Missing the details by bbsguru · · Score: 2
    OK, I did RTFA, but i still can't find the Real Story.

    Obviously the time offset is way more than 30 minutes.
    Like about 70 years, maybe?

    This will be a burden to the Sysadmins there though: They will have to manually timesync both of their computers.

  29. Re:Why can't the world move beyond this crap? by deKernel · · Score: 3, Funny

    And that "app" is called .... are you ready for it .... TIME ZONES!

  30. Re:not the only coutry by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Napolions times, Germany was divided into half a hundred principals, Dukedoms, and small Kingdoms. Everyone having its own time zone. As the principal of the realm liked it to have his personal 'noon' at 12:00 when the sun was at the highest point above his palace.
    And even after Germany was united into an empire, most regions kept their 'private' time. Often just 10 or 11:30 minutes of from the neighbour.
    The unified german time was forced upon the regions by railway companies. It simply makes no sense that a train starts 12:00 local time and arrives at 11:55 local time.
    So yes, the reason why Europe basically only has three time zones is to make trade and travel more easy

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  31. Re:You go little Un... by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yea, just don't try to connect up to a NTP server or build a strat 1 server from a GPS receiver when you fudge the hardware clock... You are going to be on your own. And that's going to make things like navigation and advancing technology all that much harder there.

    Little'Un just made life harder for his people by doing this, but he doesn't care. Folks have to remember ONE very important fact. Little'Un does what he does for consumption INSIDE of North Korea and that's it. The world will deride him for doing stupid things, but what matters is how the North Korean's perceive it. You can bet they all praise "Dear Leader" for his strong defiance of the Imperialist Japan and most will actually believe what they are saying. Few will realize that he's really showing his impotence, his lack of power and how the rest of the world is making fun of him and the ones that DO realize this won't say anything different because they know it means death for them and their extended families.

    So while we laugh because we find it funny, in reality this is really very sad for the people it most concerns..

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  32. They Can't Do That! by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can't just arbitrarily make a new time zone! Er... can you? Wow... I never thought of that... Ok! From this day forward I'm living in Greyfox Standard Time! At the tone, the time will be your output from /dev/random, counted in 64 bit seconds from Midnight Jan 1, 1970. Which henceforth will be the very moment I hit post on this message! Enjoy living in the distant past or future! Experience the excitement of trying to agree when everyone was supposed to get together for the daily standup! Have your alarm clock go off 5 minutes after you set it.... or never! From this day forward, Greyfox Standard Time will be the One True Timezone!

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  33. Re:You go little Un... by ultranova · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The world will deride him for doing stupid things, but what matters is how the North Korean's perceive it. You can bet they all praise "Dear Leader" for his strong defiance of the Imperialist Japan and most will actually believe what they are saying.

    Countries like North Korea are like nation-sized McDonald's restaurants: none believe the corporate bullshit, and the management knows perfectly well they don't, but everyone play their roles anyway while the clown in charge rakes in the profits. It's a little piece of Hell on Earth.

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  34. Re:not the only coutry by Megane · · Score: 2

    The 'time' obviously follows a circle, which has 360 degrees.

    But time is actually of a cubic nature!

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