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Breathalyzer Bike Lock Stops Drunken Cyclists In Their Tracks

Zothecula writes: Driving while drunk is a bad idea even on a bike. Slowed reflexes and decreased awareness of the world around them can make a drunk cyclist a danger on the road. Working in much the same way as breath-test locks for your car, the Alcoho-Lock aims to prevent cyclists from hopping in the seat when they've had one too many. The device even comes with a smartphone app that connects with the lock over Bluetooth and lets a loved one know that you are trying to bike drunk.

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  1. And this is a big problem WHERE? by LaurenCates · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, where does this happen so frequently that an invention had to be made because of it?

    Sure, there's bike-share in big cities these days, but is drunken cycling a really big problem in these places?

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    1. Re:And this is a big problem WHERE? by FlexPlexico · · Score: 2

      It sounds laughable, but a lot of accidents DO happen and they DO cause harm to people. There are plenty of places that either already have laws in place or they're working towards them. See here and here for more info.

      I remember reading a while back about drunk cycling being a commonplace issue in Russia, to the extent that authorities began considering requiring licenses for riding a bike (similar to the way driving licenses work). I can't find a source for it now, so take that with a grain of salt.

      If cycling is to become popular enough to displace driving to any significant degree, we need to take whatever impact it may have seriously.

    2. Re:And this is a big problem WHERE? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember reading a while back about drunk cycling being a commonplace issue in Russia

      Well, sure, but alcoholism in Russia is so rampant that it's negatively affect lifespan stats. There's a real problem, for instance, with people passing out in the dead of winter and freezing to death on the streets. So, it's likely that drunk whatever is a problem in Russia, so long as it's possible to do whatever while intoxicated.

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    3. Re:And this is a big problem WHERE? by LaurenCates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay, I'm seeing a lot of respondents say this is a non-US thing.

      Fair enough.

      I'm in the US, where there's this attitude of "you're safer in an SUV" prevalent. So, perhaps this has the effect of "I wouldn't be safe on a bike AT ALL", which is ultimately why people in this country hate bikers.

      In my experience (and where I'm at), "Share the Road" signs often mean "If you're on a bike, stay on the shoulder and cars will swerve around you into the left lane. That's not safer, but at least drivers aren't inconvenienced by bikers."

      In other words, biking sober is highly discouraged. Drunk biking is right out.

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    4. Re:And this is a big problem WHERE? by captainpanic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I live in Amsterdam and I've been biking drunk way more times than I should admit.
      Still I wouldn't buy one of these things!

      This.
      All Dutch people bike drunk (at least, those who drink also bike, since every Dutchie has a bike). But there is a decent infrastructure for bikes, and as a result there are negligible accidents with drunk bikers.
      If you grow up biking all the time (like most Dutch people), you will be able to bike home just as easily as you can walk home. A biker will (at most) cause harm to himself, if anything... but the numbers are so negligible that I cannot begin to state my disapproval of this invention.

      Also, I just already thought of a funny way to sabotage my friend's alco-lock on his bike (remember, that bike is parked outside the pub). Spray a little parfume (or any alcohol containing liquid) into it, and that bike isn't moving for the next 15-30 minutes, lolzors. Vodka shots probably work as well.
      Also, I can just breathe into all the bikes on the bike parking while drunk. :)

      And a smart drunk person will just ask someone else to open his lock.

      Why not put an alcohol lock on your shoes? Drunk walking is probably a problem too. Hell, just turn all the pubs into hotels: mandatory staying overnight until you're sober. You cannot leave if you're intoxicated. That would make the world a better place. /rant

  2. Not an issue in Leuven, Belgium. by houghi · · Score: 2

    Leuven, Belgium (where AB InBev comes from) is a student city. So a lot of beer and a lot of students that drink more than average and certainly more than allowed.

    There are also a lot of people on a bike, however this machine would not be an issue. They would just steal another bike.

    The next day they will pick up their old bike, if they can remember where it was. Otherwise it stays till the next cleanup.

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  3. Walking is dangerious when drunk.... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Informative

    A drunk biker is safer then a drunk driver.
    1. They are exercising so blood is pumping and creating energy that a downer like alcohol to prevent. Cars on the other hand you can be very relaxed and amplify the sedative effect.

    2. Bikers do get some leeway, they can drive on the sidewalk away from traffic without mush hassle, although you suppose to ride in the road, it isn't inforced. They can also drive in the breakdown lane.

    3. Exponential less damage when they hit something. Sure you can get hurt but your collateral damage is much less.
    The issue with drunk driving isn't about the safety of the drunk, but the safety of others. A biked drunk will cause less damage.

    This device only removed an other transportation method for people who may had a bit too much to drink. While offering little actual safety advantage.

    If you are dangerious to bike, you probably wouldn't get too far anyways.

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  4. Self-respecting drunks by macraig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No self-respecting cyclist drunk will ever voluntarily purchase one of these, and they can't serve a purpose sitting on a store shelf, so what's the point? Will the manufacturer now secretly draft boilerplate for new state legislation that will require the use of breathalyzer locks by all cyclists and make it a criminal offense to refuse, thus guaranteeing themselves a captive market?

    (Don't laugh; how do you think California wound up with laws mandating bicycle helmets, car insurance, and smog checks, among other things? Assemblymen had little faeries with deep pocketses whispering in their ears. Captive markets created by and for corporate interests.)

    1. Re:Self-respecting drunks by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No self-respecting cyclist drunk will ever voluntarily purchase one of these,

      This product is worthy of a Lance Armstrong endorsement.

    2. Re:Self-respecting drunks by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      No self-respecting cyclist drunk will ever voluntarily purchase one of these, and they can't serve a purpose sitting on a store shelf, so what's the point? Will the manufacturer now secretly draft boilerplate for new state legislation that will require the use of breathalyzer locks by all cyclists and make it a criminal offense to refuse, thus guaranteeing themselves a captive market?

      Not by all cyclists, just those with a DUI. If it's reasonable to force people to install them on their cars, it's reasonable to make people use them with their bicycle in the same circumstances.

      (Note if..then, I'm not really sure what I think, except that I think most of the existing devices are bullshit, but I also think drunk driving is bullshit)

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  5. Who is it for, really? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

    If a person is willing to drive a bike under influence why would they then go and deliberately prevent themselves from doing that? It's not really much different from alco-locks in cars: the people who are most against it are most likely the ones most in need of it. All of this just begs the question: who is the lock for, who is it that is going to buy and install those locks on stuff for the people who most likely should have them and then maintain the locks?

  6. Re:Do you still need a normal lock? by RDW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Even if they can't steal your bike, can they steal your $300 lock?! Also, don't most cyclists have another rather obvious means of blowing (alcohol-free) air into a tube..?

  7. Drunk driving is still a problem by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Because MADD. After largely accomplishing their original objectives, they needed a new raison d'être.

    Umm, what gives you the idea that drunk driving is no longer a problem? Roughly 1/3 of all accidents in the US involve alcohol according to eh CDC. That was about 10,000 people in the US in 2013.

    You weren't by any chance involved with George Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner were you?

    1. Re:Drunk driving is still a problem by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was about 10,000 people in the US in 2013.

      You weren't by any chance involved with George Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner were you?

      About 33 percent of the number of people killed by guns in the US - depending on your metrics. Don't see too many people giving a shit about that number.

      Respectfully, 10,000 people a year is a barely a blip on the radar when dealing with causes of death. You don't want to hear that, I'm sure, but the drunken driving issue in the US is well into diminishing returns as far as resources expended. When we have random checkpoints set up to fine and incarcerate people who haven't even been in an accident, and when we lower the BAC level needed for conviction, we're running out of options other than setting snipers outside of bars and maybe swatting people if their credit card statements show they ever purchased anything at a liquor store.

      To my argument, there is a reason we're seeing those stickers that say "Impairment begins with the first drink" on cars with a MADD sticker on them. Maybe it's time we start random stops and testing for Alka Seltzer Plus intoxication, or banning people who have colds from driving.

      Before you call that ridiculous, my father once ran into a light pole when he had a nasty cold and coughed and spit out the window - totaled his car. We used to tease him about "going into hock" for his new car after that accident.

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    2. Re:Drunk driving is still a problem by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about the cops stop pulling people over for being black, and start pulling people over for driving like shit? They'd have plenty of time.

      Semi related note about the profiling thing - My wife bought a new car a few years back. And we started getting pulled over a lot. Never a ticket issued. Wondering just what the hell, I did a little research. Turns out that Suzuki Arieo's were a favorite of young male drivers who wanted a "tuner" for not too much money.

      Also explained the looks of confusion on the gendarme's face, when they were expecting to give some kid a shakedown, and it's a semi respectable olde farte like me was driving the thing. A severe moment of cognitive dissonance for the poor guy. Getting rid of that car, and going back to our Jeeps solved the profiling problem.

      Now, its time for an Alka-Seltzer Plus, and I can quit any time I want - that's right. Besides, it's those nuts driving under the influence of Nyquil who are the real problem.

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  8. Re:A non-solution ignoring the elephant in the roo by queBurro · · Score: 3, Informative

    we'll pay our fair share. Don't bikes cause something like 1/10.000 of the damage to a road that a car does? looks like it's the cars that are subsidised anyway according to: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/9...

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  9. The 2000lbs cages are the problem by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The 2000lbs steel cages are the problem.

    If you bike while surrounded by these steel caches, yes biking while drunk is going to be a serious danger. Your lack of reflexes and attention might end you up painting red the front bumper of some gaz guzzler.

    If you live in Europe, there's a high chance that you bike on separate bike lanes, where you mostly only encounter other bikes (with drunken or sober bikers on them). At worst, you'll get some scratches and bruises if you managed to collide into another biker as drunk as you are.

    Biking while drunk is a lot safer than driving while drunk, and provides a safer way of transportation when you want to have a few drings before going home.
    - A breathalyzer bike lock would just discourage people using this "safer-while-drunk" transportation device when drunk.
    - Building separate bike lanes would let drunks drive only among other bikers, no car arround, and thus give a safer solution to drive home while drunk. (compared to use a car while drunk, for example).

    (Of course, eventually, self-driving cars will render the whole point moot, eventually...)

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    1. Re:The 2000lbs cages are the problem by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually....I have to say, I think in the US the real problem is inexperience. Not just on the part of car drivers but of bicyclists as well.

      I grew up riding a bike. I learned to ride a bicycle living on the longest main road in one of the most densly populated cities in the US (we compete with burroughs of NYC for density). I had no bike lanes and city busses passing me going 35 at 2 feet away. I learned to navigate rotaries....but...nobody was riding back then. It was something kids or the occasional DUI convict did.

      Now bikes are everywhere and some of them are clueless.

      Just the other day I stopped for a pedestrian entering the crosswalk on the right. Bicyclist next to me completely ignored this and almost creamed a 70 year old woman entering the road, just kept right on going. The woman had to step back to avoid being hit and still was brushed.

      A few months back I was in heavy traffic approaching a crosswalk. I saw a bicyclist on the side street across the road. He was approaching at about 25 MPH, and what did he do when he got to the intersection? He scooted over to the crosswalk and crossed the street at full speed making me slam on my brakes to avoid him.

      But I don't think the problem is bikes so much as, we never had so many people using them, people are new. Compare them to young car drivers and its clear what the issue is. I remember being both a shitty bicyclist and shitty driver. Its just growing pains, we don't need technological solutions, we need people to get used to new situations, and that takes time.

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    2. Re:The 2000lbs cages are the problem by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      The 2000lbs steel cages are the problem.

      If you bike while surrounded by these steel caches, yes biking while drunk is going to be a serious danger. Your lack of reflexes and attention might end you up painting red the front bumper of some gaz guzzler.

      If you live in Europe, there's a high chance that you bike on separate bike lanes, where you mostly only encounter other bikes (with drunken or sober bikers on them). At worst, you'll get some scratches and bruises if you managed to collide into another biker as drunk as you are.

      Biking while drunk is a lot safer than driving while drunk, and provides a safer way of transportation when you want to have a few drings before going home.
      - A breathalyzer bike lock would just discourage people using this "safer-while-drunk" transportation device when drunk.
      - Building separate bike lanes would let drunks drive only among other bikers, no car arround, and thus give a safer solution to drive home while drunk. (compared to use a car while drunk, for example).

      (Of course, eventually, self-driving cars will render the whole point moot, eventually...)

      A 82kg (179 pound) typical weight male on a bike is traveling at a typical biking speed of 15.5 km/h (9.6 mph) and, due to being drunk, fails to stop before riding head on into an oncoming bicyclist in the bike lanes.

      How much damage does this do to the innocent party?

      If you're drunk get a fucking taxi and if you can't afford the taxi then don't get drunk.

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    3. Re: The 2000lbs cages are the problem by JazzLad · · Score: 2

      I may just be feeding a troll here, but if being anti 'drunks doing stupid things that endanger others' makes me anti alcohol in your mind, then in your mind I am anti alcohol. By your logic, I am also anti gun as I am anti 'people doing stupid things that endanger others with their firearms'

      Why is it ok to expect people to be responsible for their decisions only part of the time? We all make decisions, hopefully more good than bad. At the end of the day, we're all responsible for the decisions we make (whether we're held responsible at the time or not). I'd add another option to sociocapitalist's above: drink at home where you don't have to travel afterwards (or sleep where you drink, ie a friend's house). But if you drink and drive and hurt someone and I'm on your jury? You're boned.

      For the record, I am very much not anti gun.

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    4. Re: The 2000lbs cages are the problem by sociocapitalist · · Score: 2

      Gotta love the anti alcohol crowd around here. Or does MADD have paid shill posters now since they're a prohibitionist group these days?

      Sure I'm so anti-alcohol that I probably still have enough in my bloodstream now from last night to fail a test.

      I am, however, against drinking and driving anything off your own private property.

      No one had to pay me to post my own opinion. You don't like it - too bad for you. Deal with it.

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  10. Cognative impairment by sjbe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't a reasonably complicated combination lock basically serve the same purpose without needing any fancy electronics?

  11. Can be used for more than bikes... by Cow007 · · Score: 2

    Why not put one on the door to keep out a drunk spouse? Probly better as an enrty lock of course. Which would be useful for "sober housing" buildings...

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  12. 10,000 deaths is a tragedy by any measure by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Sense of perspective. PLEASE GET ONE.

    Sense of humanity. PLEASE GET ONE. 10,000 people dying in accidents is a tragedy. If you can't see that then I weep for you.

    Just because people die from other reasons too doesn't in any way make this less of a tragedy. Just because people die from heart disease doesn't make cancer research unimportant. Just because people die from gunshots doesn't make preventing drunk driving unimportant. By your logic we shouldn't spend any time worrying about anything but the most common cause of death because anything else "lacks perspective".

  13. Absurd reductionism by sjbe · · Score: 2

    But it has 100 percent everything to do with someone whining about 10,000 people getting killed by drunk driving.

    You're going on and on with a bunch of strawman baloney about more common and largely unrelated causes of death. Let me make this very simple for you since you can't seem to wrap your brain around it.

    Just because something else is a more common cause of death IN NO WAY makes these deaths from drunk driving less of a tragedy or less worthy of efforts to prevent those deaths.

    Clear enough? If you cannot understand that then I pity you. You are acting like we cannot do anything further about drunk driving and that any further investments in prevention of it are a waste of money. I could not disagree more. That is a false dilemma and I reject your premise outright.

    But anyone who isn't looking at it in emotion only mode has to know that you could throw all the money in the world at it, and it will not reduuce the number of DUI deaths to zero.

    Who said anything about reducing it to zero? Of course that unrealistic. But how about reducing it to 5000 a year? 1000? 500? The notion that because we can't achieve perfection we shouldn't do anything is absurd reductionism and stupid public policy.

    But it isn't about a lack of humanity and/or compassion. It's about unealistic expectations - the idea that if we can only get tougher on it, we can eliminate it. We can't.

    Grow up. It has nothing to do with unrealistic expectations. By your logic we shouldn't waste any money or effort on anything but the biggest problems. Got a rare disease? Fuck off and die according to you because you have "unrealistic expectations".

    10,000 deaths a year from drunk driving is a tragedy by any measure. If you cannot see that then you are blind.