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Fossil CEO: Wearables Smothering Swiss Watch Business
itwbennett writes: I think technology and the whole idea of wearables ... has taken some of the oxygen out of the Swiss business,' Fossil CEO Kosta Kartsotis told analysts on a call to discuss the watch maker's second quarter results. These new competitors, along with other factors like a strong U.S. dollar, contributed to Fossil's quarterly revenue decline, Kartsotis said. Last week, a report from market research firm NPD Group claimed the Apple Watch was partially behind the largest slump in U.S. watch sales since 2008.
"Last week, a report from market research firm NPD Group claimed the Apple Watch was partially behind the largest slump in U.S. watch sales since 2008." And according to the article, "Retailers sold $375 million of watches during the month, 11 percent less than in June 2014 ... a 14% decline in unit sales."
Put another way, the Apple Watch led the US in the largest sales boost in watch history, with an estimated $4 billion in sales so far.
It's almost impossible to feel bad for someone who produces such a clearly inferior product get handed their asses when the competition arrives. If Fossil had been producing watches people really wanted, part of that $4 billion would have been theirs.
John
So now "taken some oxygen out" is the same as "smothering"? LOL! Smart watches are a fad, like tablets. People with money to burn want authentic watches, not expensive toys that need to be charged every other day and get fucked by software updates.
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Analog watches are jewelry for people who want to make a fashion statement. Digital watches are for people who want a smartphone on their wrist.
Its not really wearables, the basic cell phone has dramatically decreased the need for a watch, even for someone old like me. As have most of the devices we use or devices that happen to be in the room with us. Computers, tablets, cable tv boxes, microwave oven, etc.
Wearables are just the latest device in a long string of devices reducing the utility of a wrist watch.
My watch wouldn't get used at all if it were not for scuba diving. Besides being old I'm also a software engineer, analog depth gauge and analog watch to backup that dive computer.
They deserve this after outsourcing their entire IT dept to infosys.
Sorry I don't buy it. I think the fact that everyone carries cellphones and every cellphone displays the time on the face is what is behind his watch slump. I haven't worn a watch in years and it has nothing to do with apple's product.
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I used to get the New York Times almost every day, usually through school or my gym. Every day, I'd see advertisements from the big Swiss watchmakers, usually full-page and usually showing off detailed shots of the insides of the watches. That right there signifies what their market is - older people with lots of money. There's no way I could've afforded one back then, and though I probably could afford one if I saved long enough now, I have no reason to do so. Wearing a high-end watch is one more thing I have to worry about losing or having stolen or getting damaged.
Really, the answer to their problems is right in front of them. These people know how to make a watch, and there is no shortage of stylistic complaints about existing smartwatches. All they'd need to do is team up with an existing smartphone company that doesn't have a smartwatch of their own and start offering "Swiss-style" smartwatches at a reasonable price. They'd be rolling in money, assuming they can fix the style issues.
I've met one guy who has one. Also met a few people with the Galaxy Gear, but usually it was something that was thrown in free/cheap with a plan.
If smartwatches are smothering the sales of (certain) Swiss watches, they must have been on life-support to begin with.
... are extinct. People I know that still have watches, most of them have watches as a fashion statement. It's a jewelry.
Other groups I'm aware of are old people who need glasses to see their phone screen, and "some" rich people to show off. Who the f needs a $1000+ USD watch ? Never mind $5k+.
Eventually they gonna disappear all together same as pocket watches did.
It's called evolution. Either you keep with the times or eventually you loose your business and get forgotten.
Self-winding Seiko. I wear it from time to time as jewelry. A digital watch is useless as jewelry, it's mainly good for achieving that fossilized look, just right for a PTA meeting.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Mechanical watches will always be a niche market and will never go away.
I wouldn't bet on that. Grandfather clocks went away. Typewriters went away. Neckties are in advanced stages of going away. I am sure somebody out there still has a grandfather clock, and there will be a few diehards with Rolexes, but the real limiting factor is, the legendary Oyster mainly makes you look like an asshole out to commit a fashion crime. Right up there with plaid suits. Sure, get an Armani plaid suit, it's still a plaid suit.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
If they manage to get it to the point where they can use a mechanical action to recharge a usable computer with readable touchscreen display, complete with short range radio, then that gets it over the trinket hump... I would drop some spare change on that. I don't see it taking the world by storm.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I'm not really their market, not wearing a watch or having any use for wearables, but do you really think there's much overlap between the group of people who will buy a high-tech smart watch, and the group of people who would buy technology of any sort from a company called Fossil?
This story is amusing because a company named 'Fossil' produces obsolete products.
A current fad favors one kind of overpriced status symbol over another. News at eleven!
... I mean... I haven't had a watch in years. Why? I carry around this cell phone with me everywhere like a pocket watch. The damn thing is linked into atomic clocks and changes times based on what time zone it is in... its got more elaborate warnings etc than any watch could claim.
And lets not forget that the "EVIL iWATCH"... is really just slaved to the stupid phone in the first place. Its the cell phone killing the watch.
Not the wearables. At this point, the watch is basically a fashion accessory. Sort of like hipster glasses.
The swiss watch was a big deal because it was very precise. It was high tech. When was the last time a swiss watch was actually high tech? Casio pretty much blew their brains out decades ago. You could get a cheap shit 5 dollar digital watch that was about as precise as a comparatively expensive swiss watch. Why buy the swiss watch over the casio? Status... "look at this expensive thing I bought"... Meh.
So yeah, Apple is eating that market because their 10k gold watch is pretty much a comical ego trip.
Am I generally negative on wearables? I am on ones that are slaved to a single vendor or that explicitly rely on the cell phone while presenting themselves as being anything but precisely that.
The one I like the best so far are the Pebble watches. They at least don't have you recharging the fucking things every five seconds.
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Fossil CEO...
Perhaps the name of his company should be a clue.
I'm not sure what aesthetic they were going for, but they missed the mark. You can argue about features and such, but it is ugly.
I also have a Seiko, I'm on my 4th, I buy one ever 7-8 years, I almost never take it off my arm, and swap out when they start to get really beat up.
What's funny is back in the day, Fossil was one of the first "Wearable" smart watch manufacturers. I had a original Fossil Abacus watch that ran PalmOS 4.x. Black and white display, and had a docking station that used RS232 to sync to my desktop to transfer applications, sync calendar, contacts, etc. It even had a little mini stylus that slid into the watch band. I had this in 2004, more than 8 years before what I consider the first mainstream wearable smart watch the Pebble came out in late 2012 early 2013. They only had a day of battery, and only displayed the time if you hit a button on it, and did have a backlight. I abandoned it in 2006 once the battery life degraded a bit and wouldn't last more than 8-10 hours. Loved it though, was even used to using graphiti to input characters onto the watch, a concept I wish some newer smart watches had. (Character input and touch screens that is). For anyone that wants to check it out, there's a brief Wiki article on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"Better" is highly subjective.... Sure, the smart watches might do more stuff, but unless one actually needs regular use of the extra features that a smart watch offers beyond a regular watch, all a smart watch ends up being is more of a cell-phone accessory that is usually not as tolerant to hostile environments as many watches that are made today are, such as being able to safely go under water (at least to depths that do not require any special equipment to reach) and still be usable. Additionally, not having to constantly worry about keeping the battery charged on a regular battery-powered wristwatch is seen as a major advantage over the older hand-wound designs, while the requirement that one charge their smart-watch almost daily seems like a step backwards in that respect.
I reiterate. "Better" is highly subjective.
I don't need a $400 swiss watch to tell time when a watch that costs about tenth of that does the job just fine... with a battery life about 3 orders of magnitude longer than that of a smart watch.
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The fact it took this long is shocking. The only people I know that wear watches are GenX or older, or they have a collecting hobby associated with them. Watchmakers, particularly mechanical ones, are going to become very small niche players soon.
Fossil is a maker of cheap fashion watches. Stuff people tend to throw out or forget about when the battery dies. I'd imagine these would be easily replaceable by other watches worn to be trendy and with a relatively short expected lifespan (see smart watch). I'm not knocking Fossil by the way. They are a nice watch in their target market.
These watches are in an entirely different category from the heirloom Swiss watches. Watches with mechanical movements and top quality cases assembled by craftspeople with years of training. I don't think many people are forgoing their purchase of an Omega, Rolex, Patek, etc. because they are picking up a smart watch instead. These watches fill a special niche. They'll never thrive like they did before the quartz movement (when even non-luxury watches were spendy), but they won't be supplanted by wearables in the next few years.
Last week, a report from market research firm NPD Group claimed the Apple Watch was partially behind the largest slump in U.S. watch sales since 2008
Apple Watch certainly wasn't the first SmartWatch; but I don't remember any Report like the one from NPD Group until after the Apple Watch was available.
Hmmmm. Coincidence?
I don't care whether or not people commit fashion crimes, I just point out that wearing a wrist watch these days tends to be one. About the same status as a bowtie. There is a time and place for that, but street, school or office is not it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I think the correct technical term these days is "aging hipster"
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.