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Don't Hate the Phone Call, Hate the Phone (And the Network)

Ever screamed at your phone, or wanted to, when it can't handle the basic job of linking you to another person by voice? antdude writes to say that The Atlantic has posted a long article titled "Don't Hate the Phone Call, Hate the Phone" about how our telephone habits have changed, but so have the infrastructure and design of the handset. A snippet: When you combine the seemingly haphazard reliability of a voice call with the sense of urgency or gravity that would recommend a phone call instead of a Slack DM or an email, the risk of failure amplifies the anxiety of unfamiliarity. Telephone calls now exude untrustworthiness from their very infrastructure. Going deeper than dropped connections, telephony suffered from audio-signal processing compromises long before cellular service came along, but the differences between mobile and landline phone usage amplifies those challenges, as well.

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  1. Re:Slack DM? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    A lazy dungeon master?

    Other than that ... no idea.

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  2. blame the caller. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a millenial, phonecalls never made sense to me. Unless I actively want to hear your voice (my parents for example) then i have an infinite and vastly superior cadre of resources with which to communicate. Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back. maintain parity and answer the email. Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

    But phones? no. Voicemail hell no. my voicemail is a tire fire of unanswered phonecalls from recruiters, cold callers, advertisers, sales droids, scammers, you name it. Bell make sure my generation never, ever wanted to use the telephone when they turned a blind eye to the fact that it was becoming a haven for garbage calls. comcast and company also turned me off to phones by reminding me how much i absolutely hate hanging on the line, waiting endlessly for some ESL speaker to fumble through my question or "escalate" me to another call center.

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    1. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better option than that rant: use the right tool for the job!

      Single quick question? text it.

      Long data dump? email it.

      Sequence of questions that will probably need additional clarification? call.

      Need to REALLY get across the level of rage you feel at [worthless local monopoly ISP]? call, explain to the helpless impotent call center slave that your gripe is with someone else (in that fun tone of "if you slow me down at all, you'll be getting a shouting also"), let the bad call waiting music choice fuel your anger, get to someone with at least a shred of influence, unleash your hatred, MAKE THEM FEAR YOU!

    2. Re:blame the caller. by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As someone who is just a little older than you mellenials, I can't understand why you don't like the phone. Actually I can't even understand why you don't like voice mail.

      You mention your parents and wanting to hear their voice, you don't like to hear the voice of your friends too? I happen to like to be reminded that my friends and co-workers are real personal contacts that I have and different then people I interact with exclusively via text, like other slashdot users.

      A lot gets said in a voice mail that won't be said in an e-mail. People are generally not good actors. I can get a lot extra information from a voice mail about how someone 'feels' about the subject that they many times would not write. I can also convey a lot of information like 'don't push this issue with boss, I'll fight you on this' that I would not want to commit to writing but will state thru tone, rate of speech, pronoun selection etc in voice mail or on a call. If your interaction with voice mail is through some terrible TUI I get that, but if you have visual voice mail or get it delivered to e-mail as sound clips, what is not to like? Combine that with options truly good voice mail systems have like speech-to-text so you can optionally read your voice mails for those situations where you can't listen them its even better.

             

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    3. Re:blame the caller. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not sure if I'm a "millennial" or not (born in 1980, which seems to be the cut-off, but nobody ever agrees what side of that cut-off it's on). But the fact is, I hate voicemail. Voicemail is an abomination. The sooner it dies a horrible, fiery death, the better.

      I don't like to hear anyone's voice over the phone. It's tinny and muffled at the same time, making it hard to understand. I already know that people are real. I don't need to constantly keep in contact with their "realness". Text is just fine.

      Nothing is useful about voicemail. People don't give you any information, so no nuance comes through. None of what you describe actually happens in a real voicemail. And those non-terrible ways of getting voicemail? Yeah, those cost extra. For something I already don't give a flying rat's ass about. Not happening.

      tl;dr: FOADIAF, voicemail.

    4. Re:blame the caller. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a parent of a millennial, I force phone conversations.

      Because Texting is utterly useless when all I get is..

      Out of monE cn U snd me som
      LOL

      Yeah, dad is not sending crap until the phone rings.

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    5. Re:blame the caller. by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot gets said in a voice mail that won't be said in an e-mail. People are generally not good actors. I can get a lot extra information from a voice mail about how someone 'feels' about the subject that they many times would not write. I can also convey a lot of information like 'don't push this issue with boss, I'll fight you on this' that I would not want to commit to writing but will state thru tone, rate of speech, pronoun selection etc in voice mail or on a call.

      Conversely, one of the merits of email is that people can't do that - convey something and then deny it.

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    6. Re:blame the caller. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back.

      • You: [email] Hey Dad! How's Mom?
      • Dad: [email] She died last night.

      Ya, That would be sooo much better than a phone call.

      Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

      So, you equate someone wanting to talk with you with "accosting"? (Which, of course, they could also do via email.)

      I get it. Your/my time is important, but don't be one of those self-centered/important hipster douches that thinks the world does or should revolve around him/her. The world need more civility, not less. Now, to state the obvious: As for unwanted calls, register your number with Do Not Call. Not perfect, but I get almost zero cold calls on both my home/land line and cell phone. For the few I do get, if it's a person I tell them I'm not and won't be interested and ask them to remove my from their list -- and they almost always. Obviously, robo-calls get hung up on.

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    7. Re:blame the caller. by j2.718ff · · Score: 2

      As someone who is just a little older than you mellenials, I can't understand why you don't like the phone. Actually I can't even understand why you don't like voice mail.

      I'm probably your age, and I never use voicemails anymore. (Back when I had a landline, owning an answering machine made sense, but we have better options now.) It really comes down to the interface. I can quickly and easily read text messages. Listening to voicemail takes a bit of effort - I need to be in an environment where it's convenient to call, where there aren't too many background noises, etc. And if it includes information like an address, or something else that I'd write down, I have to find a pen and paper, and run the risk of writing something wrong.

      If I call a friend, and they don't answer, I won't leave a voicemail. They know that I called, and if they feel like it, they'll call me back. If I had something important to say, I'll send them a text.

      My friends behave the same as I do. My parents are the only people who ever leave me voicemails, and their messages generally boil down to "call us back". So I'll generally call them back, and then delete the message without listening to it. (If for some reason, I can't call them, I will listen to the message, just in case it contained something important.)

    8. Re:blame the caller. by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Voicemail, I get. It's bullshit. If you call me and I don't answer, I'll call back. Without listening to your voicemail. Because I'm going to call you back. Doing voicemail would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

      On the other hand, if I get a call from someone and they don't leave a message, then I assume it was a wrong number or was not important. If it was important, they would have left a message. Somebody called me at 5:43 this morning and I didn't hear it because I was getting ready for work. They didn't leave a message, so they aren't getting called back.
      I don't understand the fascination with people wanting to call back every single person who calls your phone, whether you know them or not, whether it was a wrong number or a scammer or was one of the 100% of commercial callers who ignore the Do Not Call registry. Same deal with text messages. I am not going to respond to a text message from someone I don't recognize. It could be an online predator, an identity thief, someone phishing for valid contacts. I guess I am not as desperate to be interacted with as other people.

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    9. Re:blame the caller. by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      As for unwanted calls, register your number with Do Not Call. Not perfect, but I get almost zero cold calls on both my home/land line and cell phone.

      Yeah, not perfect. I still get 6 or 7 calls a day. Almost none of them leave messages, but I can tell from the caller ID that they are a commercial outfit that is illegally calling me. I should not have to talk to them and tell them that I am on the DNC list. That is THEIR responsibility. I have been on the list since about the first or second week that the registry was available. They should be required to pay a fine for the FIRST offense, and part of that money should go to me for having to do their job for them.

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    10. Re:blame the caller. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      I was actually there the night my mother passed. ...

      I'm very sorry for your loss. I know how you feel... I was holding my wife when she died at exactly 3pm, Friday, January 13, 2006. There was also nothing I or anyone could do. I heard her last breath and felt her last heartbeat and learned what the word "forever" really means. Something like that gives you perspective, especially about what is and isn't really important.

      Sue died of a brain tumor, just seven weeks after diagnosis. We were together for only 20 years and I'm thankful for that time and, especially, those last weeks together. Grieving is hard and unique to each person. I wrote a short creative non-fiction story about our life together; it's under the "Remember" link on the small Remember Sue... Tumblr. Quoting something near the end:

      He told himself, “I was strong for her. I was holding her when she died. She was never alone or in any pain. I kept all my promises to her.” But such thoughts offered little solace.

      He cried every night for weeks.

      I can tell you that it gets easier, except for those moments you know she or the two of you would have enjoyed. That said, I still wear my wedding ring and haven't dated anyone since.

      All my best to you and yours.

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  3. I don't get it, what is this about? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do people have troubles making phone calls nowadays? Is the US telephone network so fragile?

    I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

    1. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

      Had an international call to scotland drop a few times last week (landline my side, some sort of microsoft PBX/phone thing on the other). Rarely see this sort of problem in the US aside from stuff like cell phones in elevators or other bad coverage. Don't know where along the way the issue was, but it was frustrating.

    2. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't remember having had any trouble making a phone call and have never had a connection dropped, so I'm wondering what this article is about.

      It's "about" a weak premise to try generate some buzz for a messaging platform no one has ever heard of or cares about.

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    3. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      In my experience, proper POTS networks are vastly superior to most VoIP solutions I've used. Just today I spent an hour in a conference call (GotoMeeting) where the crappy VoIP insisted on routing my own voice back to my headset with a 1-second delay, so I had to take off the damn headset to be able to talk.

    4. Re:I don't get it, what is this about? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      No 99% of all phones out there have utter shit for audio quality.
      Cellphone networks and cellphones have steadily went from decent to complete crap audio call quality.

      Sadly only apple get's it. Facetime audio calls are fantastic. Skype is as crappy as a cellphone call.

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  4. Re:Slack DM? by Comboman · · Score: 2

    Slack is a currently-trendy, corporate messaging/notification/collaboration system. DMs would be the Direct Messaging (person-to-person) subset of that.

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  5. So many more reasons by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Informative

    When it comes to extortionate practices, horrible customer service, bait-and-switch special plans, secret data caps, unlimited but not really unlimited data, throttling, and any number of other things I've seen, I have oh so many more reasons to hate the cellular phone company than just this.

  6. Re:Slack DM? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I need to contact someone, I might send a text. I might send an email. Occasionally I might even make a phone call. But what I'll NEVER do is use some silly unknown system like the one listed in this Slashvertisement just because some venture capitalist felt like bankrolling some late-comer to the messaging game.

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  7. My distaste for phone calls by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    I don't like phone calls, not because they demand your immediate attention, but that it's hard to go back over what's been said and gives you no mechanism to figure out exactly what you want to say before you say it.

  8. People are spoiled now by Higaran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have these devices in our pockets that connect us with the rest of the world instantaneously, the vast majority of people expect because they pay some kind of amount ever month that these things are supposed to work flawlessly every single time. This kind of thing was mind boggling a generation ago, even up until a few years ago if you wanted to be sure something got done, you had to talk to someone on the other end of the phone line, a delivery will be made, a bank account opened, etc. I get that younger generation grew up with pretty much instant gratification for everything, but that doesn't make it right. The technology has outpaced our ability to get used to it we basically went from sending smoke signals, to being connected to all the collective knowledge of humanity overnight, there is no wonder that people are complaining about stuff. Technology is not perfect, it will not work 100% of the time, there is not a machine built since the beginning of time that will, get over it. Very few people do not even realize what it takes to get they call to connect when it actually does work, that kind of thing was called magic a few years ago.

    1. Re:People are spoiled now by NJRoadfan · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is because most of those people grew up with a landline phone backed by a network that prided itself in its "five 9s" reliability.

  9. TFA is right: Mobile phones suck by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look, I love my iMobilePersonalComputingDevice, it does an unbelievable number of things pretty darn well. But as a phone, it sucks. The sound is terrible, the form factor is less than ideal for a phone conversation, the connection can be spotty. For a 5-minute quick check in it's fine, but I had a friend call me yesterday for what turned out to be a 2-hour heart-to-heart about the meaning of life, and it was excruciating.

    Yes, texts and other media are often superior to voice. But part of the reason millenials don't like to call is that the phones are terrible. Given the design constraints inherent in mobile devices, that's probably not going to change.

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  10. I have the answers to your questions by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Who encounters problems with voice calls?
    There are parts of the Earths surface that have mountainous terrain. This mountainous terrain, which is more and more being used by mankind for habitation purposes, has a tendency to have less robust cell coverage. To those who live near or in mountainous terrain, cell coverage can be spotty and problematic.

    2. Why make voice calls at all?
    Voice calls are better at reflecting the true intention of the communicating parties. Texts and emails can leave out the true intentions of the message. Voice calls can make discussions much more precise between communicating parties where nuance may be critical.

    3. Why the concern about the quality of voice calls via cell?
    Ahh, now we come to it. Once upon a time there was a telephony network in the US that was mostly reliable and had high quality. Regardless of your phone, you could expect a high degree of audio communication, via talking(a communication technique pioneered several millennia ago). Communication via "talking" via cell now is akin to cb or walkie talkie in regard to quality.

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  11. Your preferences aren't the only ones that matter by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a millenial, phonecalls never made sense to me.

    Really? You never talk to anyone using your voice? Were you one of those kids who text messages the person sitting right next to you? I hate talking on the phone myself but there are plenty of times it is the most effective means of communication. It is far faster than email for many data dumps and it communicates emotion and nuance light years better. I type fast but I talk much faster. If I need to give you a core dump about an issue and deal with it quickly I'm probably going to call when typing would take too long.

    Unless I actively want to hear your voice (my parents for example) then i have an infinite and vastly superior cadre of resources with which to communicate.

    That depends very much on exactly what you are trying to communicate. Talking on the phone can be VASTLY faster and more effective than email, IM, twitter, facebook and other forms of communication in a lot of circumstances. Some things are difficult to communicate adequately via email. Asynchronous forms of communication are generally very impersonal, slow, and frankly I deal with enough email as it is. The last thing I want to do is spend more time emailing.

    Another supreme irritation is when I email a person, but they call me back. maintain parity and answer the email.

    Not everyone types very well. I work with several people who can't type quickly for various reasons. Sometimes calling is a faster way to address the problem. You might prefer email but your preferences are not the only ones that matter. I don't care for talking on the phone either but if it gets the job done, so what? I care that the problem gets handled, not the medium it gets handled through.

    Accosting me for details just means im going to keep pointing you to the email.

    At which point the other person will declare you to be an uncooperative jerk. I absolutely loathe talking on the phone but if I've bothered to pick up the phone and call you there is a damn good reason for it. Answer the call, be courteous and helpful. If you point me back to email when I've bothered to call you I'm probably going to get pissed off at you. If it is a telemarketer, hang up and block the number.

    But phones? no. Voicemail hell no.

    Voicemail has its place. I use google voice which records and transcribes the voicemails I get. The problem with voicemail isn't the actual message, it's the shitty interface that has been put on it traditionally. Now that I can quickly read my voicemails I rarely actually have to listen to them and voicemail has become fairly useful. Sometimes someone needs to reach you and email isn't the right format or maybe all they have is a phone number. Voice mail allows them to communicate with you when you can't take the call which is genuinely useful.

  12. Re:Slack DM? by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2

    Exactly. If you read "technology A sucks compared to technology B (popular/generic) and technology C (which no one has heard of), you can bet that this is solely a marketing tool for technology C. This is a slashvertisement, plain and simple.

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