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Boeing Demonstrates Drone-Killing Laser

An anonymous reader writes: Boeing has successfully tested a new weapon system that tracks unmanned aircraft and shoots them down with a laser. The system is surprisingly small — it can be transported in a few medium-sized boxes, and two techs can set it up in minutes. The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous [contact] to set a drone aflame, and the tracking gimbal is precise enough to target specific parts of a drone. "Want to zap the tail so it crashes and then you can go retrieve the mostly intact drone and see who is trying to spy on you? Can do. Think it's carrying explosives and you want to completely destroy it? No problem." The laser is controlled with custom targeting software that runs on a laptop, with help from an Xbox 360 controller. Boeing expects the laser system to be ready for sale in the next year or two.

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  1. lasers are for drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You are all Drones. Drones make Rrrrrrrrr. Rrrrrrrrrrrr Drones rrrrrrrrrrr! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr make the drones. YOU DRONES!!!

    1. Re:lasers are for drones by sycodon · · Score: 1

      OK...now that's funny.

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    2. Re:lasers are for drones by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      ...can be transported in a few medium-sized boxes

      Is that a metric or US "medium-sized box"?

      Are we using large or small values of "few" this summer? I can never remember.

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  2. What a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So all you drone operators out there - if your drone crashes, consider it lost. There is no reason to go retrieve it - and then the FAA will investigate the first person who walks over to it and picks it up! It's an awesome false-flag attack. They should do this with those people shining high-powered laser pointers at planes too! -- Since there is a $10,000 reward for that, pay a homeless guy $20 to shine it at planes, turn him in for it, and collect BANK every day!
    It's things like this which make me question again, why we have such stupid people in charge of everything. Shooting drones down will not solve the problem.

    1. Re:What a great idea! by Forgefather · · Score: 2

      My guess is that this will be marketed towards governments to protect capital buildings from drone attacks. Just recently in Japan someone managed to fly a drone with radioactive and onto the roof of the parliament building and left it there for a week before anyone found it. There have also been other such incidents involving drones, and the white house, to which the secret service have admitted they have no way to stop. These will be far out of reach of you average Joe.

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    2. Re:What a great idea! by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Shooting drones down will not solve the problem."

      Shooting drones down will solve the problem of having drones in the air. That's the problem this device is designed to solve. None of the other things you mention come under the remit of this device, and the device was not intended to address or solve them. This is just the latest in anti-aircraft evolution.

    3. Re:What a great idea! by Barbecue911 · · Score: 2

      My guess is that this will be marketed towards governments to protect capital buildings from drone attacks. Just recently in Japan someone managed to fly a drone with radioactive and onto the roof of the parliament building and left it there for a week before anyone found it.

      This is a failure of detection not interception. The laser will only work if somebody first spots the drone.

    4. Re: What a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The false flag is all the laser pointer publicity lately. It's almost like people were intentionally shooting lasers at aircraft and creating publicity just so they could get tough laws passed against it.

      Now, shooting a laser at an airplane is a bad thing and don't ever do it (really, seriously, don't) but the law doesn't mention 'manned aircraft' for some strange reason.

      They know they want to spy on us, that we won't like it, and that lasers are an effective anti-drone and at least anti-camera weapon. They want people disarmed against this threat and they'll use danger to passenger aircraft to do it.

    5. Re:What a great idea! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I do believe some guy in New jersey beat Boeing to this goal by a year, and for hundreds of millions less....

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    6. Re:What a great idea! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      I do believe some guy in New jersey beat Boeing to this goal by a year, and for hundreds of millions less.... (resubmitted thanks to /.'s odd URL wiping behavior)

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    7. Re:What a great idea! by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      My guess is that this will be marketed towards governments to protect capital buildings from drone attacks. Just recently in Japan someone managed to fly a drone with radioactive and onto the roof of the parliament building and left it there for a week before anyone found it. There have also been other such incidents involving drones, and the white house, to which the secret service have admitted they have no way to stop. These will be far out of reach of you average Joe.

      They will be obligatory if you want to have a large wedding reception in Afghanistan.

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    8. Re:What a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's things like this which make me question again, why we have such stupid people in charge of everything.

      Bcoz you are Amerikans, the greatest country in the world !1!!!!111!! ..... Sorry about bothering you. Now pls go back to mocking Indians, Chinese and French.

      And remember, Trump wants to make Amerika great again ! Don't forget to vote in 2016 !!!!

    9. Re:What a great idea! by Forgefather · · Score: 1

      Even if they spot the drone what can they do about it? It's not like they can randomly fire bird shot at it, and they don't have any sort of practical anti air system for such a small flying device. The laser system is meant to fill that gap.

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    10. Re:What a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay Kuntface

  3. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    can you mount it on a shark?

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boeing will sell you a shark-killing drone too!

  4. small? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    it can be transported in a few medium-sized boxes"

    How big is a medium-sized box?

    Rosanna Arquette or John Edwards

    1. Re:small? by skirmish666 · · Score: 2

      The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous to set a drone aflame

      I'd give it a few minutes of continuous just to be safe.

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    2. Re:small? by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it can be transported in a few medium-sized boxes"

      How big is a medium-sized box?

      Rosanna Arquette or John Edwards

      This device seems to be an adaptation of the mostly-failed experiments to knock down mortars and grad-style rockets with lasers. Those systems only worked if the projectile was following a previously-known flight path and the laser was set up to protect that specific path, because they couldn't target fast enough. Real-world mortars are less predicable, but drones are slow enough that the targeting seems to work on them.

      It is rather convenient for the researchers that a slower, more media-visible target for their mortar-laser was developed!

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    3. Re:small? by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

      About .1 Libraries of Congress.

    4. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which has me wondering just how much unpredictable manoeuvring a small autonomous aircraft would have to do to defeat it.

      What color is it? What about highly reflective surfaces? Many cheap products have "chromed plastic" surfaces. How about ablative surfaces? This is only going to work for a while, as it's going to be easy to design around. But at least it might help keep drones from dropping pistols into prison courtyards for a while.

    5. Re:small? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      The optics, software and servos that make up this kind of system are evolving rapidly- I doubt it is really an adaptation of anything

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    6. Re:small? by fey000 · · Score: 1

      it can be transported in a few medium-sized boxes"

      How big is a medium-sized box?

      Rosanna Arquette or John Edwards

      Bigger than a small box but smaller than a large box.

    7. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      People keep bringing up "reflective" surfaces into laser weapon discussions. Think more "energy" than "light". Surfaces: aren't as reflective as you think; particularly at the wavelengths used; and the amount of energy being dumped is enough to change the properties of the surface from the state it was a microsecond before.

    8. Re:small? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Which has me wondering just how much unpredictable manoeuvring a small autonomous aircraft would have to do to defeat it.

      The fine article states that the laser must stay on target for 2 seconds. I don't know if this is to target the plastic (melt, warp, or burn) or the metal (penetrate) components. When targeting mortars the system would heat them until the explosive ignited, when targeting rockets they would be heated until the vehicle failed structurally. I find it hard to believe that these differing applications would all need the same 2 second time period, though.

      Notice that the targeted devices in the video seem to have a dangling antenna, it really seems as though that is helping with targeting. Maybe they can't target drones without the antenna!

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    9. Re:small? by timelorde · · Score: 1
    10. Re:small? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      The optics, software and servos that make up this kind of system are evolving rapidly- I doubt it is really an adaptation of anything

      Sure it is, nobody starts a project like this from scratch. I even recognize the body of the device from infrared cameras from over a decade ago, not identical but very similar.

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    11. Re:small? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      There are tens of similar projects the mortar experiment was just one of them

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    12. Re:small? by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

      There's a picture in the article. Looks about the size of a small microwave oven, less than 2 feet long. (Plus the tripod)

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    13. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous to set a drone aflame

      I'd give it a few minutes of continuous just to be safe.

      I'm not sure that's a good idea. We only have a limited amount of continuous. Now we seem to have more intermittent on hand so you could use intermittent for a few minutes

    14. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous to set a drone aflame

      I'd give it a few minutes of continuous just to be safe.

      I'm not sure that's a good idea. We only have a limited amount of continuous. Now we seem to have more intermittent on hand so you could use intermittent for a few minutes

      Can I use intermittent continuously?

    15. Re:small? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you give it too much continuous you could accidentally the whole thing.

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    16. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Medium Box dimensions: 18" x 18" x 16" (W x L x H)

    17. Re:small? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      There are tens of similar projects the mortar experiment was just one of them

      That makes a lot of sense. The four basic components (threat identification systems, targeting systems, laser and related gimballing robots, and field power systems) all have many applications in other fields as well.

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    18. Re:small? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous to set a drone aflame

      I'd give it a few minutes of continuous just to be safe.

      I'm not sure that's a good idea. We only have a limited amount of continuous. Now we seem to have more intermittent on hand so you could use intermittent for a few minutes

      Can I use intermittent continuously?

      Sure you can. There is a premium upgrade package available to platinum members who can make the purchase between 13:45 and 13:50 on the 5th last Friday of every month. You will get the specially engineered elastic substance (made from tropical plants) in the form of a band that can be applied once to the intermittent component to complete the upgrade to continuous intermittent operation. All purchases made this month will get a second one, free, just in case the intermittent component returns to intermittent intermittent operation.

  5. Re:We need this like we need brain cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So [how] long before a terrorist get their hands on this and shoots down an airliner full of passengers?

    You mean other than vintage surplus Soviet missiles?

    Or maybe Russians in Ukraine?

    You tell me

  6. Lasers and aircraft... by rs1n · · Score: 1

    While this sounds like a great way to take down those pesky drones that interfere with firefighting, planes landing and taking off, etc. what sort of safeguard does this thing have against something that suddenly occludes its view? Drones can fly up to several hundred, even a thousand feet. Even though it can be controlled via a laptop, reaction time as well as latency in communications would mean anything that happens to get in between the laser and the drone could get severely hurt or damaged. Don't we have enough problems as is with just "common" lasers being pointed at aircraft?

    1. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      I don't want to shoot down the drone. I want to shoot the person piloting the drone. Triangulate the signal controlling the drone to locate the pilot, and then shine your own laser at the pilot.

      Wow! We don't have a nuclear arms escalation race anymore. But we have a drone arms escalation race. Armaments manufacturers will make a bundle on drone/anti-drone selling weapons.

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    2. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      4931m, 16,000 feet.

    3. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      While this sounds like a great way to take down those pesky drones that interfere with firefighting, planes landing and taking off, etc. what sort of safeguard does this thing have against something that suddenly occludes its view? Drones can fly up to several hundred, even a thousand feet. Even though it can be controlled via a laptop, reaction time as well as latency in communications would mean anything that happens to get in between the laser and the drone could get severely hurt or damaged. Don't we have enough problems as is with just "common" lasers being pointed at aircraft?

      My guess is that this will be mostly used in restricted air spaces like above the white house, above the prisons, and other places like that. It could possibly be used in airports and other restricted areas but it sounds like it's accurate enough so it's not going to mistake a full size aircraft with a small drone and even if it does, it's not going to do real damage to a full size airplane.

    4. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      I don't want to shoot down the drone. I want to shoot the person piloting the drone. Triangulate the signal controlling the drone to locate the pilot, and then shine your own laser at the pilot.

      Wow! We don't have a nuclear arms escalation race anymore. But we have a drone arms escalation race. Armaments manufacturers will make a bundle on drone/anti-drone selling weapons.

      Triangulating is an arms race too. A drone on autopilot doesn't need to be controlled and even if you needed to control it, you could control it with a burner phone so the only thing you would be triangulating on would be the nearest cell tower. There are plenty of other technologies like multiple repeaters, multiple channels, public channels, etc... that could also very easily prevent triangulation.

    5. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      it's not going to do real damage to a full size airplane.

      I'm sure that's comforting to the pilots that are blinded right before they crash the plane. Pilots already frequently report encountering laser incidents, on average 10 a night and those incidents aren't using lasers specifically designed to destroy things.

    6. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      it's not going to do real damage to a full size airplane.

      I'm sure that's comforting to the pilots that are blinded right before they crash the plane. Pilots already frequently report encountering laser incidents, on average 10 a night and those incidents aren't using lasers specifically designed to destroy things.

      You're talking about a $10 laser pointer owned by a punk kid versus a multi thousand dollar device and the technical knowledge to modify it to target a full size aircraft instead of a drone. Even if you could buy one the limited number of these sold would make them trivial to track. This is FUD. The odds of someone buying one of these and using it on a commercial aircraft is pretty much nil as there would be a dozen easier ways to harass an aircraft.

    7. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      The other issue is triangulating kinda relies on either continuous or multiple transmission. It mostly boils down to you observer the transmission form multiple points, and measure the received energy at each. Next you do a bunch of math to figure out where the transmission likely originated from based on the different energy detected at the receiving stations. Doing that with accuracy to handful of meters as would be needed to quickly id a drone operator and respond is kinda hard when

      1) the detection stations are far a part
      2) there are structures or land forms that might absorb EM (you will need more than just the inverse square law)
      3) you don't have a lot of receive station density. (cells can be quite large in rural areas)
      4) you don't know what EM to tune to
      5) dynamic conditions changes in atmosphere etc

      The technology to auto pilot or simply execute on simple instruction is getting smaller lighter and cheaper. Already some consumer drones can proceed to a set GPS coordinates by themselves. If you don't need to be in constant or even frequent contact with the drone but only need to occasionally send a quick "GOTO $lat,$long,$altitude" it might be very hard to track you down.

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    8. Re:Lasers and aircraft... by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Already some consumer drones can proceed to a set GPS coordinates by themselves. If you don't need to be in constant or even frequent contact with the drone but only need to occasionally send a quick "GOTO $lat,$long,$altitude" it might be very hard to track you down.

      Exactly. It would probably be easier to jam the GPS signal and/or all radio transmissions but even this isn't foolproof as image recognition is improving as well as multiple ways of counting steps which could easily allow a drone to complete the voyage without GPS or any guidance.

  7. oh the hubris. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    perfect idea, until the drone thats built with reflective, ceramic-composite materials shows up.

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    1. Re:oh the hubris. by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      perfect idea, until the drone thats built with reflective, ceramic-composite materials shows up.

      Then you hire the Kentucky redneck with a shotgun loaded with bird shot.

  8. Counter measures by leathered · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mirrored surfaces on the drone?

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    1. Re:Counter measures by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Laser-killing drone, obviously.

    2. Re:Counter measures by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Even better: dazzle painting! Add fake tails and wings to your drone and have it recalibrate itself if one of these pieces is blown off. Sort of like a mini version of the a10 Thunderbolt.

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    3. Re:Counter measures by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time this topic comes up, someone says "teh mirrors".

      And then someone else points out the duration and intensity of these lasers would simply ablate any mirroring before it had a chance to do any good.

      So I'm going to assume this still won't work.

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    4. Re:Counter measures by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Can you use a retro reflector to kill the laser before the laser kills the mirror?

    5. Re:Counter measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From my understanding, these sorts of lasers are aimed using a rotating mirror...its too difficult to move the actual laser in a real-time tracking scenario. However, the mirrors designed to do this are very expensive and specialized items...they are tuned to a very particular band of RF spectrum based on the emitted light, and must be ridiculously free of dirt/dust, lest the reflectivity of the mirror be reduced by a fraction of a percent from their near-perfect baseline reflectivity.

      Now, imagine such a mirror coating (even an actual mirror!) on the target, traveling hundreds of MPH through our atmosphere, running into all kinds of debris and getting pock-marked to next Tuesday. If reflectivity drops to even 99.9%, that 0.1% absorbed energy could still easily be enough to cook the insides.

    6. Re:Counter measures by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Chrome plating is only about 70% reflective. A bathroom-variety mirror is only about 75% reflective. The remaining 25%-30% of energy from the laser would be absorbed by the drone as heat. Aluminum coatings used on telescope mirrors can get to about 90% reflectivity, about 98% with good coatings. But that's at a specific wavelength (visual spectrum), and they're very delicate (only about 100 nm thick) and degrade as cruft settles on them. That's why electroplated chrome is more popular for decorative reflectivity - it's much more durable. (Silver actually has better reflectivty, but it quickly tarnishes upon contact with the air. Aluminum does too, but the resulting aluminum oxide is transparent in the visible spectrum and forms an airtight barrier protecting the remaining aluminum.)

      So all a mirrored drone would do is increase the amount of time it takes for a laser to shoot it down. If drones did start to go that route, the obvious countermeasure would be to make the laser more powerful. It's a lot easier to make the laser bigger than it is to keep the mirrored surface of a drone pristine.

      Unrelated trivia: The best reflective surface is actually a prism, which relies on a phenomenon called total internal reflection - the same property which makes optical fibers work. Their biggest losses are actually at the air-prism interface where the light enters and exits the prism - typically 99.7%-99.8% transmission. They're highly directional though, so (unless someone can come up with an extremely clever design) wouldn't work omnidirectionally.

    7. Re:Counter measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with internal reflection is it requires going through a solid material. Once you start to focus down a laser beam, the power density can exceed a threshold for a material where the laser self-focus from thermal and nonlinear effects. Reach that power density, and the beam focuses until it basically damages the medium or creates a plasma. This is cool in air, because you can get filaments that channel a laser beam for pretty long distances, although it drains a lot of power from the beam. But with solids, which have a much lower threshold for filamentation, you end up just creating a needle sized crack along the beam, which gets worse with more exposure. So for higher power densities, reflective coatings on the surface are needed, which can be made to be 99.8-99.9 % reflective for off the shelf mirrors. Those have their own limits though eventually.

    8. Re:Counter measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retro-reflectors don't preserve the focus, and for better or worse, you have to deal with twice as much atmospheric effects.

    9. Re:Counter measures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any covering of retro-reflectors on affected parts would do the job. The affected parts of the drone are those which would be likely to be targeted.

  9. Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

    If it takes this laser 2 seconds to drill through a tough drone body, how long would it take this laser to cause serious injuries to a human being if the drone were protected by mirrors (say mirrors camouflaged by a thin film that the laser can destroy instantly) that reflect the beam downward towards a crowd on the ground?

    1. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The mirror coating is barely reflective to a laser, and will burn off just about as quickly as the camouflage coating which you propose. What is needed to have any real effect is an ablative laser coating which continues to be reflective as it is burned away. AFAIK no such material exists as of yet, in spite of being prophesied in roll-playing games (i.e. Battletech.)

      However, yes, there will be some reflections while the target is being cooked, and if it is at low altitudes that could be quite dangerous to any spectators.

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    2. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the target's shell is rapidly spinning?

    3. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      What if the target's shell is rapidly spinning?

      Then you play Star Castle.

      How do you propose to get vectored thrust in and out of a disco ball?

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    4. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is needed to have any real effect is an ablative laser coating which continues to be reflective as it is burned away. AFAIK no such material exists as of yet, in spite of being prophesied in roll-playing games (i.e. Battletech.)

      Lasers are just thermal weapons, a source of high amounts of pinpoint heat. I'm assuming that the nice white thermal dissipating ceramic the space shuttle used during atmospheric re-entry would work great as a defense. But as this would add A LOT of weight it would only work on the larger drones (predator), not the smaller hobbyist ones currently being used to smuggle contraband into prison exercise yards.

    5. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by CmdrTamale · · Score: 1

      Vectored thrust - synchronized pulses?
      Steering might be a more interesting problem.
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    6. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that the nice white thermal dissipating ceramic the space shuttle used during atmospheric re-entry would work great as a defense.

      I don't like to make assumptions, but it does sound like a fairly reasonable one to me. I'd like to see someone test it.

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    7. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone ask the Sharks?

    8. Re:Mirrored drones = deadly disco balls? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      The mirror coating is barely reflective to a laser, and will burn off just about as quickly as the camouflage coating which you propose. What is needed to have any real effect is an ablative laser coating which continues to be reflective as it is burned away. AFAIK no such material exists as of yet, in spite of being prophesied in roll-playing games (i.e. Battletech.)

      Hm. It seems to me that the ideal way to handle this is to have the material ablate in such a manner that it leaves a cloud of particles hanging in the air, forcing the laser to burn through the cloud as well.

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  10. Where is my mosquito laser? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Interesting

    mozzies are way more annoying than drones

    1. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, whatever happened to that? Last I heard was the proof-of-concept succeeded. Now I want the backyard appliance, and I'm willing to pay a fairly decent price for it. More entertaining than a stationary bug zapper, too. Think how cool it would look to see little flashes randomly occurring in the dark (if you zap a firefly while lit, does it leave a little green glowing cloud?). People will be breeding mosquitoes just to see them lasered out.

    2. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by Pumpkin+Tuna · · Score: 2

      Exactly! I've been waiting on that thing for years. They keep talking about ending malaria with it. That's fine. I'll even pay $100 instead of $50 to donate one unit to Africa. Just set the blasted thing up in my backyard.

    3. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by darkshadow · · Score: 2
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    4. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't see a commercial product because the liability of blinding someone would be too great. The researchers got their research paper so that was likely the end of it for them. There have been some start up companies that went after it, but they've probably grabbed a bunch of patents then disappeared. It used to be too costly to buy a laser that would fry the wings off, but the price has probably come down since then. You can use a much cheaper laser if you can live with a blast that only kills them after 24 hours instead of instantly.

      The setup is simple enough and the software isn't too complicated if you want to zap any bug (specifically targeting only female mosquitoes would be harder to implement). A DIY implementation shouldn't be too difficult to do that at least lights them up with a red laser. Maybe that'll scare them? Probably not. Do insects have fear?

      This is one of those projects on my very long list of projects... If I ever get to it it'll be open source.

      Search for "star wars mosquito defense system" for an excellent spoof video and actual articles on the subject.

    5. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The linked page looks like a patent troll who doesn't actually sell the Photonic Fence.

    6. Re: Where is my mosquito laser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A laser designed to automatically lock onto little dark objects against a light background.... Goodbye pupils.

    7. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      specifically targeting only female mosquitoes would be harder to implement

      You wouldn't target the females.
      You would target the male mosquitoes' balls.
      Fry them until they pop.

       

    8. Re:Where is my mosquito laser? by ardave8952 · · Score: 1
  11. "a few seconds of continuous"... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    PROOFREAD, American idiots...

    1. Re:"a few seconds of continuous"... what? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1
  12. Drone-Killing Laser by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Now we need someone to make a Laser-Killing Drone.

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    1. Re:Drone-Killing Laser by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      No need. Just drop some chum in the water - you'll instantly distract the shark in charge of the laser.

    2. Re:Drone-Killing Laser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though if you can get your tornado/shark hyperloop transportation system up and running...

      HyperLaSharkNado!

  13. Disco Ball Drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and a pair of chrome aviators so the drone can tell everyone to /dealwithit

  14. Re:We need this like we need brain cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt that it has the power to do any real damage, and it appears that it's a military-only device that will not really get out into the rest of the world.

  15. Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cue the knuckleheads with their "just put mirrors on the dronze herp derp!"

    Mirrors aren't 100% efficient reflecting all wavelengths. Mirrors are heavy; a mirror covered drone won't work very well.

    1. Re:Mirrors by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      And it has to be a front surface mirror lest the substrate or any protective coverings or coatings absorb the laser energy and negate the point of having a mirror in the first place... I.E. the most difficult kind of mirror to keep as clean and flawless as it has to be to provide the desired protection.

    2. Re:Mirrors by onkelonkel · · Score: 1

      Aluminized mylar has 95% IR reflectivity and 90% visible reflectivity. At .001" thickness I don't think you can call it "heavy". It might not make the drone "laser proof" but it sure can't hurt. Have the drone wobble or spin when it gets lased, and you are going to have a bitch of a time keeping the laser on one spot long enough to burn through.
       
      signed A. Knucklehead

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    3. Re:Mirrors by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

      That 0.001" is going to get melted instantly by the percentage that isn't reflected.

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    4. Re:Mirrors by hey! · · Score: 2

      I don't think you could make the reflective surface perfect enough to make the drone positively laser-proof, but I think a reflective coating would certainly reduce the laser's effective range. Analogously you can't nuke-proof an aircraft, but in the Cold War they were often painted "anti-flash white" to help them survive a bit closer to a detonation.

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  16. Number 4 Birdshot is still more fun! by rjune · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll stand by my previous post that #4 birdshot is still more fun, plus it it mirror resistant.

    1. Re:Number 4 Birdshot is still more fun! by rjune · · Score: 1

      Should read: I'll stand by my previous post that #4 birdshot is still more fun, plus it is mirror resistant.

  17. First likely customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The White House.

  18. Re:We need this like we need brain cancer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it appears that it's a military-only device that will not really get out into the rest of the world.

    Yeah. Just like Stingrays, weaponized drones, covert GPS trackers, sound-based weapons, tasers, etc., etc.

  19. Kentucky suburbanites by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Much more likely to actually be used.

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  20. Someone will get rich ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... when they figure out how to make it into a bug zapper.

    1. Re:Someone will get rich ... by cmseagle · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Someone will get rich ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

      Pretty cool, but around here they'd need to target yellow jackets to have a commercial winner.

    3. Re:Someone will get rich ... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      ... when they figure out how to make it into a bug zapper.

      Easy, just claim the drone has a microphone.

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  21. Mirrors anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Lol. I would just put mirrors on my drone and destroy the laser.

    Idiots.

    1. Re:Mirrors anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiots.

      Love the sig, but I'm surprised it took more than one to type that ...

  22. Open source rocks. by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Can't wait until this makes it to the open source community!

    1. Re:Open source rocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, think of all the idiots that'll go shining it into other people's houses or cars for laughs. Bring on the civil lawsuits, eye patches, and hire some extra firefighters! As much as I love lasers and want the high powered ones, they're way too dangerous for an average person. I'd be far more afraid of someone with a high power laser than a gun.

  23. Fricken' privacy-loving sharks rejoice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those privacy-loving fricken' sharks are happy now!

  24. What kind and size of drone are we talking about? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Are we talking about those relatively small drones with multiple propellers that cost $1k or so and fly at a few hundred feet altitude or are we talking about the big ones the CIA and military use in places like Syria and Iraq? The big ones may have GPS guided bombs able to be flown at night or through clouds and fog and can be effective weapons in bad weather. Lasers aren't very useful in bad weather situations because of light scattering. Would this anti-drone device be useful for, maybe, shooting down Amazon packages?

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  25. Just mirror coat the drone by packetspike · · Score: 1

    So this is all they can come up with, just mirror coat the drone and the laser is of no use. We coat glass with compounds that create perfect mirrors, you could do the same with drone covering... My 8m old baby could do better than this.

    1. Re:Just mirror coat the drone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your baby can teach you about the (lack of) effectiveness of mirror coating against lasers ...

  26. Re:Mirrors - Won't somebody think of the children? by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 1

    Going to make interesting cases when someone gets blinded or dazzled so that they have an accident by the light reflecting off the drone.

    This will make a lot of lawyers rich deciding whom to sue.

  27. ah well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ronald Reagan was somewhat discouraged about his Star Wars programme when he learned that 98,5% of the energy in the laser can be reflected from an ICBM or MIRV if they are mirror polished. Say hello to my bling drone.

  28. ...ready for sale in the next year or two. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes! This! I have mine pre-ordered already!

  29. Re:What kind and size of drone are we talking abou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just add eye-tracking and it is ready for those wild-eyed fanatics in Iraq and Syria.

  30. That continuous is bad news! by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    "The laser needs just a few seconds of continuous to set a drone aflame"

    That continuous is bad news! Who knew? I wonder if Amazon sells it?

  31. What about manned aircraft by davidwr · · Score: 1

    When this tech gets simple enough that any suicidal mass-murderer can get ahold of one, no low-flying aircraft will be safe - which means no aircraft taking off or landing in a populated area will be safe.

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    1. Re:What about manned aircraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you been to some of the Arms Fairs that seem to take place almost every weekend in some US States?
      The amount of ordonance for sale is truly staggering. Much of it has a greater fire-power (eg RPG's ) than this sort of Laser.

      I'd fully expect some of the more extreme survivalists even have Ack-Ack guns. Thay can do a lot of damage to an aircraft.

    2. Re:What about manned aircraft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When this tech gets simple enough that any suicidal mass-murderer can get ahold of one, no low-flying aircraft will be safe - which means no aircraft taking off or landing in a populated area will be safe.

      I think a 12ga shotgun already fills the bill for small low flying aircraft

    3. Re:What about manned aircraft by davidwr · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more along the lines of a jumbo jet taking taking off or landing from a typical urban airport.

      When easy-to-conceal-until-you-use-them, cheap anti-aircraft weapons that can take down a passenger jet that's less than 10,000 feet in the air hit the black market, you'll start to see suicidal murderers who want their 15-minutes-of-infamy using them on US soil.

      I say "suicidal" because once you fire one of these, you will be found, and once you are caught, you can plan on spending the rest of your life in jail or if you are death-penalty-eligible, getting the state to help you in your suicide wish.

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  32. The next feature for marketing security systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Our systems not only record video and audio, they target trespassers for your convenience! Airborne firing solutions included for modest additional fees. "

  33. Needs refinement by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    When they get to shark helmet size let me know. I still want my sharks with fricken laser beams.

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  34. I liked this part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than numerous safety warnings to ensure no one was blinded by the two-kilowatt infrared laser, there was no fanfare. No explosions, no visible beam. It’s more like burning ants with a really, really expensive magnifying glass than obliterating Alderaan.

  35. no RPG or ack-ack guns... by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

    This is a ridiculous assertion. Rocket Propelled Grenades are not for sale at gun shows in the US.

    Some civilians do own .50 anti-aircraft guns with significant licensing. Not 'extreme survivalists' so much as military memorabilia collectors.

  36. Drone Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Begun, The Drone War has!

  37. Carbon fibre composites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will work on any carbon fibre composite plane. Does anybody want some discount Dreamliner tickets?

  38. Oh, rats... by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

    So they finally invented something that would make me seriously consider buying an Xbox. I hope they have it in the stores in time for Christmas. I can think of a dozen great uses for it -- killing flies, drilling holes through would-be burglar's shoes (feet inside), a new way to light the barbecue grill. In fact, who needs the grill? Next summer I can reprogram it to keep the squirrels out of my peaches at the same time it prepares me a tasty laser-grilled peach-fed squirrel for dinner out of the ones that move too slowly! One wonders if it is sensitive enough to keep a yard cleared of mosquitoes (without putting anyone's eyes out, of course, at the yard party).

    rgb

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  39. Shut up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and take my money!

  40. No, they're not highly directional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=18385
    My dad used a solid precision ground glass prisms for a distance measuring system when I was a kid. We put one on the roof of our house, then drove 5+ miles over to a small mountain and used it to find where our house was. We used a mag-light, and the accuracy of the return was so good that when we had the flashlight beside our head we couldn't see the reflection, but if we put it on our foreheads we could.
    As the above linked article states, "Parallel incident light entering the device will bounce three times against these surfaces and return to the source precisely at the same angle at which it entered the retroreflector — regardless of its physical orientation."

  41. One corner reflector carrying drone from disaster. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    That is all it would take, a team of drones with the first one being a decoy that will damage the laser. Sorry Boeing but there is a smarter way of taking out drones, without projectiles or lasers.