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Malaysia Blocking Websites Based On Political Content
An anonymous reader writes: A few days ago Slashdot carried a piece of news from Malaysia whereby [news] websites based in Malaysia must be registered. Now comes the news that Malaysia is actively blocking websites which carry political opinion contrary to those of the ruling elite.
Granted, Malaysia is no US of A nor Europe, but the world must understand that Malaysia is the only country in the world where racial apartheid laws are still being actively practiced — and have received endorsement from the ruling elite which has controlled Malaysia for the past 58 years.
(Wikipedia lists some other candidates for modern-day apartheid in its entry on Contemporary segregation.)
What constitutional racism does Israel have? Its Declaration of Independence and the Basic Laws that act as its constitution are very clear that any kind of racial or religious discrimination is illegal. There are Arabs in the government. There are Arabs on the Supreme Court. There are Arab doctors, professors, business owners, university students, high-tech employees. On the other hand, there are not only no Jews living in Jordan, but by law it is a captial offense to sell property to a Jew. There is constitutional racism.
If Malaysia practices apartheid, why is the civilized world not boycotting, divesting from, and sanctioning this country? This is what happens to countries that practice apartheid. It worked on South Africa and it can work again on Malaysia.
I wasn't even aware of this until I read the summary, and I read a lot of international news.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Israeli currency is labelled in both Hebrew and Arabic.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
It's mentioned here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
There may have been black doctors, politicians et al living in 1950s segregated America but anyone that would claim blacks weren't heavily discriminated against because the US Constitution supposedly protected them is living in an alternative universe. Claiming there is no institutionalized discrimination in Israel is even more absurd. It's blatantly obvious that many Jews in Israel have been extreme nationalists that are engaged in a slow pogrom to not only eject non-Jews but to continue to expand Israel's borders.
That said, there is certainly racism in Palestine too and that shouldn't be swept under the carpet nor should the double standards in much of the Arab world that obsess on Israel.. .then don't look at how they treat non-Muslims in their own countries. In Saudi Arabia, allegedly our allies against Islamofascists like Isis and Al Qaeda, they still behead people for apostasy and homosexuality. The government there make Israel's inhumane treatment of Palestinians look like a human rights.
On the contrary... most countries have some level of institutionalized racism. This is because there is an unresolved conflict between democratic rule and national identity.
Unfortunately having an adult public debate about it is next to impossible for the political class. On the one side you have the extreme left that typically slanders anyone that points this problem out as racist or fascist (nearly the entire "human rights" industry falls in this category) On the other you have the extreme right that goes to great lengths to conform to the stereotype.
Arabs in the government ? I think Lieberman would be the most virulent opponent to that notion (with Netanyahu and Naftali Benett among many others). Ayoob Kara is an Arab, yes, but check his alliances...
Israelis Jews don't like Arabs in general. Just go in Israel, you'll witness it first hand. If you think USA in the 50's were bad, Israel is a whole another crap hole...
Israel is de facto an apartheid nation (remember that Israel was the last entity working with South Africa when apartheid was in place ?).
A israeli jew, by law (you know about the Torah right ?) cannot sell its property to an non-jew (arab or otherwise), chekpoints for arabs, house destructions, land stealings, separate transportation for each "race", constant humiliation etc.
And the most important thing : the whole state of Israel has been taken by force in 1948 !
Why would you defend such a country ?
A for the comparison between Jordan and Israel ? Are you kidding ? Nobody care about Jordan (Sorry jordanians, I don't intend it to be insulting). Jordan doesn't receive billions from the US for its defense (though it receives money from the US to sustain its economy). The king of Jordan don't go to the US congress to insult the president in place. There's no AIPAC equivalent for Jordan, etc.
PS : you're never wise to post anonymously.
I have been living in Malaysia / Singapore since 2012, on a work-related assignment.
My previous assignment took me to Israel, for a 3-year contract.
As a Brit I have to say that racism does occur in both countries, albeit with a not-so-subtle difference:
In Israel, the laws do not favor any one race ...
... while in Malaysia the laws are stacked against the minorities ,
Every conceivable law and regulation favors the majority Malay race ---
From the issuance of Taxi Permit to the paying of income taxes ...
From the purchasing of houses, to university enrollment...
... the minorities, be it the Indians, the real indigenous (locally known as "Orang Asli"), the Chinese, and the mixed races, bear the brunt of legal discrimination.
But please, do not take my word for it ...
http://world.time.com/2013/09/...
One thing about Malaysia is that the ruling regime invested very heavily in professional spin-doctors, with their history-twisting lies, in order to hide all the ugly truths
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/special-investigation-tv-company-takes-millions-from-malaysian-government-to-make-documentaries-for-bbc-about-malaysia-2338813.html
The message I am replying to is one of those beautifully crafted piece filled with fact-twisting half-truths
To jblues,
Please spread your bullshit somewhere else!
The Malays did not have 'thousands of years' of history nor culture on Malaysia.
The Malay arrived in Malaysia from Sumatra of Indonesia. Even their own history books have noted that Parameswara, a defeated prince from Sumatra, running from his enemies, landed on the shore of the Pininsular, some six hundred years ago
However, there is one people in Malaysia who can trace their ancestry back to thousands of years - the Orang Asli, the TRUE aborigines
All of you are invited to find out the truth for yourself, instead of listening to professional soothsayers paid by the racist regime which is now controlling Malaysia. I will only include a single link, to illustrate how the Orang Asli are being treated by the Malay authority ---
http://www.culturalsurvival.org/ourpublications/csq/article/orang-asli-odds-with-nation-state
We have this problem in Sweden, whose previous mishandling of massive inflows of immigrants has already started leading to ghettoisation.
The Left here refuses even to discuss this, thus ceding the debate to Sverigedemokraterna (the right-wingers) before it's even begun.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I'm not as much trying to denounce racism as I'm trying to state some facts.
I'm not a "denounciator", that's why the comment above "denouncing" me as a SJW made me laugh. Hard.
For me to denounce Israel, I'd also have to denounce other racist countries ? What's the logic with that ? Israel is racist *because* of the surrounding mulsim slates ? Come on ! They're even racist between themselves ! Talk to a sepharadic jews who is constantly refered to as an "arab" by its ashkenazi brethren...
To be clear, I wasn't denouncing racism, I was describing racism in Israel.
An SJW criticizing Israel and an anonymous coward shooting himself in the foot. Way to go Mr Rebel :)
Have you noticed that you didn't respond in any way to my post and just thrown an epithet in my face ? Truth be told, I wrote about Israel in a topic about Malaysia, I'm to blame too...
The "wild west" stuff with the settlers running the locals off their reservation even bounces it back into comparisons to the USA some time back.
This Land Is Mine.
Look, seriously, Nobody does ethnic cleansing like the Jews. You think the politicians who created the nation of Israel were aware of history? I'm sure they were. They put the Jews there just to shit on the natives. So far, so good, right? And We The People of the USA pour gasoline on that bonfire every year. Your tax dollars at work.
This is not to say that all Jews are bad people. It's to say that Zionism is another typical evil. You know, like the USA, founded on theft, rape, and oppression. What a surprise that today we are still stealing, raping, and oppressing... and funding genocide that we're too cowardly to handle ourselves. Genocide by proxy, that's the most convenient way!
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Insightful? Hmm.
Do you really know the situation in Malaysia, or are you arguing out of some emotional arousal?
The Malaysian constitution prescribes favorable allotment of jobs and university places to the members of the ruling, majority, ethnicity, the Malays. And this is not just in writing but implemented. Malaysian citizens of Chinese or Indian ethic background see it happen that a student with straight 'A's is denied a university education in the public universities while a mediocre Malay student is gladly admitted. Wow! There is even a university with 140000 students exclusively for students of Malay ethnicity. Check UiTM in WikIpedia if in doubt. Malays get monthly allowances for their kids, the others ethic groups don't.
All chancellors of all universities are Malays, almost all deans (with very few exceptions) are Malays due to the constitutional 'preferences'.
I think I can stop here, and I am arguing based on 12 years as university lecturer in said country.
Now the ball is in your court: I don't have much of insight into Israel, maybe you can enlighten me on the situation in Israel, please? Maybe I can learn something from that.
Ayoob Kara is an Arab, yes, but check his alliances...
So an Arab isn't really an Arab if his opinions do not align with what you think an Arab should believe in? Or do you think that Netanyahu's government should have accepted an Arab minister who has an ideology very different than the government's, merely because they are Arab?
Israel is de facto an apartheid nation
Most of that sentence was opinion, so I cut it out. You are entitled to yours, of course (what's more, it is impossible to really prove or disprove to anyone's satisfaction). This part, however, requires more clarification. How can you claim that a country where you can and do find Arab judges judging disputes between Jewish parties, Arab doctors treating Jewish patients, etc is a de-facto apartheid? You do not seem to be using any standard definition of the word that I'm aware of. If this is a result of my ignorance, please do enlighten me, but it seems like the definition you are using is "whatever the dictionary says + whatever it is that I believe, irrespective of facts, that Israel is doing", which is another way of saying "dictionary definition + Israel".
A israeli jew, by law (you know about the Torah right ?) cannot sell its property to an non-jew (arab or otherwise)
The Torah has no binding effect in Israeli court of law, except for very special courts that are only authorized to handle family matters (i.e. - divorces) between all Jews parties. Before you go all giddy with finding another aspect of Israel's apparent segregation, yes, there are parallel Muslim courts.
As for the selling of land, quite a few years ago (I think over a decade, now) the supreme court told KKL, a private organization that, due to historical reasons, holds quite a few lands in Israel, that it is not allowed to discriminate against selling to Arabs, because the volume of lands it is holding creates a de facto racial discrimination.
chekpoints for arabs, house destructions, land stealings, separate transportation for each "race", constant humiliation etc.
But, see, that does not apply to all Arabs, doesn't it? And if it does not, then claiming that it has a racial, rather than, say, security and/or citizenship, reasons is a claim that, at the very least, needs further discussion. What is obviously clear, however, is that you cannot claim racial discrimination while ignoring the fact that the separating line between those who do and those who don't isn't racial.
This is doubly hypocritical now, only a month after the Israeli government (yes, that's Netanyahu's government) started applying these measures against extremist Jews suspected of trying to hurt Arabs.
Don't get me wrong. I hate those measures and I believe Israel should find a more democratic means to resolve the real problems it is facing, but claiming that the reasons for those measures is racism is simply ludicrous.
And the most important thing : the whole state of Israel has been taken by force in 1948 !
I find it hard to explain just how widely inaccurate, and even apocryphal, that claim is. I'd gladly go into the details in private (my email is in this, and every other one of my, comment headers). It is widely off topic here. Truthfully, the entire thread is off topic, but this particular subject is also long.
Why would you defend such a country ?
I'm not the original commenter, but I'll answer anyway: I'm not defending such a country. I'm defending Israel, which isn't such a country.
PS : you're never wise to post anonymously.
Like I said, I'm not the original commenter, but if you need someone not an anonymous coward to respond to, I'm here.
Shachar