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The Long Reach of Windows 95

jfruh writes: I'm a Mac guy — have been ever since the '80s. When Windows 95 was released 20 years ago, I was among those who sneered that "Windows 95 is Macintosh 87." But now, as I type these words on a shiny new iMac, I can admit that my UI — and indeed the computing landscape in general — owes a lot to Windows 95, the most influential operating system that ever got no respect. ITWorld reports: "... even though many techies tend to dismiss UI innovation as eye candy, the fact is that the changes made in Windows 95 were incredibly successful in making the the system more accessible to users -- so successful, in fact, that a surprising number of them have endured and even spread to other operating systems. We still live in the world Windows 95 made. When I asked people on Twitter their thoughts about what aspects of Windows 95 have persisted, I think Aaron Webb said it best: 'All of it? Put a 15 year old in front of 3.1 and they would be lost. In front of Windows 95 they would be able to do any task quickly.'"

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  1. 00000-00000-00000-00000-00000 heh by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Funny

    first install! woo hoo

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    1. Re:00000-00000-00000-00000-00000 heh by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep. 111-11111111 or something like that actually worked. There were other variants that were easy to remember at-the-time too.

      Close! The format of those old Microsoft product keys was actually 000-0000000.

      The trick to making up a valid product key was that the 7-digit field must add up to a multiple of seven. The easiest code to remember was 111-1111111 -- seven ones add up to seven -- which turns out is a multiple of a seven :)

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  2. Actually, the common saying... by unfortunateson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    was "Windows 95 sucks less."

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    1. Re:Actually, the common saying... by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem was plug and play and under DOS. Each manufacturer had their own proprietary PnP configuration utility and they were often mutually exclusive.

      The *real* fun under later versions of DOS was playing the equivalent of Tetris trying to get as much crap in the UMA/HMA as you could so you had enough conventional memory left to do something useful.

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    2. Re:Actually, the common saying... by ADRA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, PnP may have been -possible- in the era of Win95, but realistically, you'd expect any number of incompatabilities well into the 98 era. Only once you had 2000/XP days did MS really shove mandatory driver compatability down manufacturer's throats. That said, the ability to throw together a set of pieces and have them work was largely the work of MS flexing its muscles. Love em, or hate em, PC's may have taken a very different route if there wasn't someone to keep people shooting for compat.

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  3. Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the credit by QilessQi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We still live in the world Windows 95 made. When I asked people on Twitter their thoughts about what aspects of Windows 95 have persisted, I think Aaron Webb said it best: 'All of it? Put a 15 year old in front of 3.1 and they would be lost. In front of Windows 95 they would be able to do any task quickly.

    But this was also true if you put a 15 year old -- or a 10 year old -- in front of a 1987 Macintosh. The true revolution in mainstream computing was the Mac OS user interface, coupled with the Human Interface Guidelines which made all Mac software intuitive.

  4. History. Leran some. by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    owes a lot to Windows 95

    Which owes a lot to Windows 3. Which owes a lot to the Mac SE and its kin. Which owes a lot to Xerox PARC. Which owes a lot to Doug Engelbart and SRI.

    By the time Microsoft got to a UI, it was like the shopping cart that got passed around the hobo camp.

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    1. Re:History. Leran some. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      owes a lot to Windows 95

      Which owes a lot to Windows 3. Which owes a lot to the Mac SE and its kin. Which owes a lot to Xerox PARC. Which owes a lot to Doug Engelbart and SRI.

      By the time Microsoft got to a UI, it was like the shopping cart that got passed around the hobo camp.

      And by the time linux got to the cart one of the wheels had a shimmy

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  5. Re:Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cre by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep Xerox got the UI right.

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  6. Try NextStep by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Informative

    That was a sexy geek OS on top of Unix back in the day before it morphed into present day MacOSX when Steve Jobs brought it along to Apple.

    It had right mouse button clicking and the menus and dockable icons and launchers (though were not on the buttom) but the concept was part of Windows 95 to its core with the start menu emulating much of it.

    AfterStep which was Robs founder of slashdot favorite back in the day as well as WindowMaker were WM's which tried to clone part of the functionality into Linux at the turn of the century. WindowMaker was the most popular before Kde and then Gnome started to mature to what we have today.

  7. Re:Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cre by Shinobi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it was true if you put a 10 year old in front of an Amiga in 1985 or 1986. As for the Apple HIG, a lot of it was counter-intuitive, what it did, however, was give consistency, and thus users were conditioned into doing things a certain way, but it also resulted in some applications being hampered etc

  8. Not really by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would agree that Windows 95 is influential, but let's not go overboard. It's the first instance that I know of with the "taskbar" along the bottom including a main menu button on the lower-left, which has become a very common arrangement. However, it's largely become an arrangement common to desktop environments attempting to mimic Windows in order to be approachable to Windows users. It's not the arrangement of all operating systems.

    Claiming that OSX is copying the task bar with its dock is a bit of an overstatement. Various environments had different permutations of a "dock" concept, including NeXTSTEP, the forerunner to OSX. I think BeOS and Amiga also had docks of sort, though I admit I haven't seen any of these operating systems in action and I don't remember exactly what they looked like back in 1995. Also, the way the Apple dock operates is significantly different from the Windows task bar, and arguably the Windows 10 taskbar takes some things from Apple's dock.

    Part way through the article, there's a big quote that says, "Without Windows 95 there would be no Steam or XBox and we would still be playing Pong." That's just nonsense. I mean, it's true there might not be steam or XBox, in that Steam was originally developed for Windows and XBox is a Microsoft program. However, we wouldn't still by playing Pong. There were more advanced games than Pong before Windows 95, and it's not as though people wouldn't have continued to develop video consoles and video games. In the end, he wraps things up by arguing that Windows 95 was just so amazingly good that it pushed everyone out of the market, as though Microsoft's monopoly was a good thing that was achieved purely through the quality of the product.

    Honestly, I don't know if this author is a bit dim or ignorant, or if the author is intentionally pushing a false narrative, but this article is pretty bad. Obviously Windows 95 had a big impact on the computing industry and the operating systems that came afterwards. I wouldn't argue against that. Still, let's not pretend that it was a wonderful product that took over the world by being the best thing ever, and let's not pretend that everything that came after is simply copying Windows 95. It was a relatively crappy operating system that became dominant because Microsoft was largely already dominant, and there wasn't really anything much better at the time. Microsoft had already squashed a lot of their competitors, and continued to do so with anti-competitive practices.

    1. Re:Not really by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Honestly, I don't know if this author is a bit dim or ignorant, or if the author is intentionally pushing a false narrative, but this article is pretty bad.

      ...And now you know why there's a rule against reading the article.

    2. Re:Not really by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As far as games go, Microsoft (smartly) killed gaming on the Mac.

      There was an awesome game called Marathon on the Mac, from a new firm called Bungiesoft. It was a quantum leap past what most Mac games were (and PC for that matter), and could have made PowerPC the gamer's choice (anyone remember the Pipin? im sure you don't). But Microsoft and Gates smartly bought out Bungiesoft, and their next Mac game Halo got quickly made into a PC/XBox only affair. Imagine a world where Halo was a Mac game, a Halo halo effect as it were, and the home computing world is much different.

      In MacOS6, all control panels were in a DeskAccessory called Control Panel. There was a selector on the left, and a general area to fill with content on the right. Why did the author pick windows 95 for this "all in one control panel" instead of the Mac's own legacy from 5 years previous to Win95 I don't know.

      Also, the 3 buttons in the window, that's as much to do with XWindows as Microsoft. Remember MacOSX has roots in NeXT which has roots in UNIX. It's odd to attribute to Windows when there's a direct line to XWindows.

      I had TCP/IP on my personal Mac in 92 or 93, with MacTCP and either MacSLIP or MacPPP (as my back end improved). I don't know how you go from "Apple bundled previously separate Mac Specific freeware" to "it was Win95 that did it sir!". Everything going to TCP/IP was obvious back then.

      There are several stretches in the article to attribute things to Win95 when it's easy to see sources elsewhere. Not that Win95 didn't have influence. But no need to say the world changed ONLY because of Win95 when there were several things moving in the same direction.

    3. Re:Not really by mvdw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Part way through the article, there's a big quote that says, "Without Windows 95 there would be no Steam or XBox and we would still be playing Pong." That's just nonsense.

      Absolutely. Doom predated Windows 95, which was in turn predated by wolfenstein 3D which was arguably the most influential game of all time. How many FPS games owe their look and feel to those two games?

  9. Re: Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cr by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intuitive? Are you kidding? Working on OSX is like being in your garage under your car, working, only, you have an obsessive compulsive wife, and every time you set a tool on the concrete in arms reach, she immediately puts it on the shelf because everything must look pretty, at all times.

    I have never hated working with an operating system the way I hate OSX. It has literally brought me within inches of quitting my job in frustration on numerous occassions. It is beyond "bad", it is downright hostile.

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  10. Re:Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cre by sribe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yep Xerox got the UI right.

    Yep, click on the icon of a file, a window pops up, you type a UNIX command to manipulate the file. They totally had the whole GUI thing figured out and Apple did nothing but copy--oh, and add direct manipulation pervasively ;-)

  11. Re:15? by Orestesx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think they mean a current 15 year-old of today (i.e. someone who did not grow up with Windows 95) would still be able to use Windows 95 because it shares so much with the UI of today's Windows.

  12. Re:Microsoft Menus .. by ichthus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also, let's not forget OS/2 Warp, which came out in 1994. It had something very similar to a start button and task bar, only it was located at the top by default.

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  13. Sorry to say so, but... by AchilleTalon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you are off by an astronomical unit if you believe it was the GUI that made the success of Windows 95. Its success is mainly due to the inclusion of the TCP/IP stack which standardized how PC owners can connect to the internet in an easy manner since then. Done with Trumpet IP and the likes trying to make things working. What drove people at this time was already the desire to access the internet, the real new thing. Most Joe users had to ask a relative if they were lucky enough to have one in the computer science field to setup their PC with Windows 3.1. Windows 95 made this easy.

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  14. Re:15? by fraxinus-tree · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not really a DOS application. DOS was an advanced bootloader (in modern terms) for Windows 95. W95 has it's own memory manager, cpu scheduler, device drivers and even DOS API emulation. You could not "close Windows" and go back to DOS without a reboot. In W3.11 it was pretty much possible.

  15. newshell.exe by lkcl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    actually... newshell.exe as it was known was written by the NT team, when Windows NT 3.1 was new and NT 3.51 was in beta. the windows 95 team - who were universally absolutely hated by the NT team - legitimately "stole" newshell.exe from the [internally and legitimately accessible] source repository of the NT team at the time, and release it as the default shell of windows 95 *before* the NT team were able to release it. it wasn't until NT 4 beta that the NT team was able to catch up.

    unnnfortunately, the NT team were being pressurised to do some pretty stupid things, because windows 95, being a PROGRAM-RUNNER *NOT* repeat *NOT* repeat *NOT* an "Operating System" (windows 95 didn't even have proper virtual memory management for god's sake: programs were either fully-swapped-out or fully-resident: absolutely nothing in between) - windows 95 was unfortunately *faster* than the flagship operating system (NT).

    so they were forced to remove the user-space GDI implementation and associated API (which buggered up citrix and other screen virtualisation technology completely: it had to be re-added back in many years later and was called "RDP"... it was actually another company's screen virtualisation technology... bought and re-badged... but we're talking windows 2000 by then...). removal of the GDI implementation meant two things: firstly, lots more speed, and secondly, if you moved a window off-screen it caused a BSOD in NT 4.0 betas because of course there was no range-checking any more and this was all kernel-space!

    many people loved the fact that NT 3.51's user-space screen driver could actually crash, leaving you with no screen... but the mouse, keyboard and the rest of the OS was working perfectly. many sysadmins didn't bother with a reboot when that happened because they could just use keyboard short-cuts, remote logins, or just pure mouse-guesswork!

    the NT team did at one point also try to move printer drivers (including 3rd party ones) into kernelspace (to again avoid a userspace-kernelspace context switch... or 100). for obvious reasons that initiative didn't last long....

    yeahhhh we don't hear about the history of pain that windows 95 caused within microsoft. and now, many of the people who knew what was going on have retired as millionaires on the stock options from so far back...

  16. Re:15? by bored · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Besides what the AC said (which I 100% agree with) XP's real feature over windows 2000 was probably the license model change. Before XP the licenses weren't tied to the hardware, and weren't verified by MS. I've always though that the main reason for the change. The UI color style (which could be revered to 2000's look) was to make people thing they were getting something over 2000.

    The fact that it was such a small update over 2k is probably most of what made it successful. All the major issues were worked by the users of 2k. That is basically what happened with windows7 too. Vista users dealt with all the bugs, and when it was finally a reasonable product MS just released it with the appropriate service packs as a new product.

  17. Re:15? by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh. How many times did I hand-edit win.ini?

    That's why /etc in unix and linux made sense to me later. Configuration controls are meant to be human-readable and human editable.

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  18. The greatest W95 legacy is spread of medicority by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before Windows 95, PCs had a vibrant marketplace of GUI shells, file managers, e-mail applications and web browsers. Netscape introduced Java applets and Javascript, updated frequently and was free with honor system payments. UNIX-based system had a wide choice of free and commercial Windows managers with features like virtual desktops that Microsoft only added in Windows 10.

    What Microsoft taught users is to be lazy and not look beyond built in software with mediocre feature set. They have ultimately hurt themselves as mainstream applications became so dumbed down that you can just run the same thing on 4 inch phone and not miss much. Have they cultivated a healthy 3rd party ecosystem, people might be still interested in more powerful desktop/laptop experience in addition to phones and tablets.

    1. Re:The greatest W95 legacy is spread of medicority by djrobxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's exactly what I don't miss. Regular people aren't power users. They just want things to work. If the included feature set is so deficient that they have to rely on third party software, it's more stuff they have to learn, and more work for those who help them to support.

      In the DOS days I used to use Norton Commander. I felt blind without it. I'd go to work and my boss would ask to look at something on his machine, and he was an XTreeProGold guy. OK, it's a great program too, but it's like we spoke different languages. To use someone else's machine, there was always some learning curve to figure out THEIR "bag of tricks". These days I can get most everything done with the tools included with Windows. I don't want to have to rely on some "vibrant marketplace", everything I really need is consistently included on any Windows machine I touch.

      Power users are a different breed. Linux seems to offer exactly that "vibrant", choice-filled competitive atmosphere you're looking for. Seems like an OS that would fit you better.

  19. Re: 15? by djrobxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    The key difference is that Windows 95 did not use DOS to access the hard drive. It had its own 32 bit disk manager. DOS's file access provisions went dormant once the system booted as long as an appropriate driver was available. If no driver was available, you'd have an exclamation point in control panel, and very bad performance. Fraxinus is spot on - DOS was still there, but was relegated to being a bootloader and recovery console.

  20. Re: Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cr by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

    Before that, if an application or a desktop accessory didn't use WaitNextEvent(), the entire system ground to a halt, requiring a hardware reset.

    Win 3.x was pretty much the same way - it used cooperative multitasking just like the Mac, and if you took too long processing a given message you could lock your system right up. Two of the biggest things that Win95 brought to the table (that NT already had) were true preemptive multitasking and a per-process message queue, so if you still managed to be sloppy with your message handling, it just locked up that process instead of the whole machine.

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  21. Re:They don't make 15-year-olds like they used to by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

    anyone remember NSCA Mosaic?

    Yup, and I also remember having to have Trumpet Winsock to get connected at all. Fun times playing with the configuration to get it to handshake with the terminal adapter and get a SLIP/PPP session started.

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  22. The Right-Click menu? by rbrander · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This may (also) have been stolen from some other OS, but Win95 was this Great Leap Forward in usability for one innovation alone, the right-click menu. I think it was the first time that "object-oriented" really showed up at the user level. Whatever object you clicked on - file, device, folder, data-object inside an application - you got the list of methods associated with the object, what you could do with the thing. Instead of applications having menus for their various functions, *data* objects had a menu appropriate to that data-item.
    If Microsoft invented that, they have to be given some props. Certainly all the larger Linux distros paid them the homage of stealing the idea.

    Oh, and minor point by comparison, but still, props: I remember everybody giving rave reviews to their workaround for storing long filenames while remaining backwards compatible with 8.3 names. Not exactly a leap forward, but it countered the Great Leap Backward that 8.3 was and made the transition away from them almost painless.

    1. Re:The Right-Click menu? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sorry. OS/2 had this before win95. Everything was an object. The desktop was basically an object that was a folder. Subfolders had their own individual properties (including backgrounds, permissions etc) being objects themselves.

  23. Re:Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cre by QilessQi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed. Xerox PARC did amazing work... too bad they were designing a paperless office for a paper-centered company. :-)

  24. Re:What you want to believe doesn't make it true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, yeah. It sucked enough less.

    Not sucking too much is the Microsoft quality standard.

  25. Re:Sorry, but Apple still deserves most of the cre by BonThomme · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...and bullshit...

    http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/2010/06/102660634-05-04-acc.pdf

  26. Start Me Up! by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Funny

    It makes a grown man cry.

  27. Re: 15? by spongman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Win95 "ran on" DOS the same way that your Linux machine runs on JavaScript. Just because you have a VM spun up running a compatibility layer for legacy programs doesn't mean your OS is based on what that VM emulates.

    Put yourself on the right side of ignorance: read this