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Nearly Every Seabird May Be Eating Plastic By 2050

sciencehabit writes: According to a new study almost every ocean-foraging species of birds may be eating plastic by 2050. In the five large ocean areas known as "garbage patches," each square kilometer of surface water holds almost 600,000 pieces of debris. Sciencemag reports: "By 2050, about 99.8% of the species studied will have eaten plastic, the researchers report online today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Consuming plastic can cause myriad problems, Wilcox says. For example, some types of plastics absorb and concentrate environmental pollutants, he notes. After ingestion, those chemicals can be released into the birds’ digestive tracts, along with chemicals in the plastics that keep them soft and pliable. But plastic bits aren’t always pliable enough to get through a gull’s gut. Most birds have trouble passing large bits of plastic, and they build up in the stomach, sometimes taking up so much room that the birds can’t consume enough food to stay healthy."

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  1. on the upside... by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most birds have trouble passing large bits of plastic, and they build up in the stomach, sometimes taking up so much room that the birds canâ(TM)t consume enough food to stay healthy.

    We can start harvesting bird carcasses for plastic, taking it out of the environment, and acting as a source of plastic. Win-win. /sarcasm (that shouldn't be needed here... but...)

    1. Re:on the upside... by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      What if bird love plastic?

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    2. Re: on the upside... by pollarda · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have already been harvesting birds in Florida that have a diet of mostly plastic since the 1970s. After the birds have digested enough it causes them to freeze and become immobile. The companies that harvest the birds will then turn around and sell them to various hardware, lawncare, and similar stores as pink flamingo lawn ornaments.

    3. Re:on the upside... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Well, as Marie Antoinette said, "Let them eat plastic!"

      I'm thinking that a this would make a great Godzilla type film . . . the big monster, that eats plastic.

      "Mom! Godzilla ate my Nintendo!

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    4. Re: on the upside... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Big monster made of plastic, eats humans, ends with monster choking tomdeath on particularly fat man.

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    5. Re:on the upside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most birds have trouble passing large bits of plastic, and they build up in the stomach, sometimes taking up so much room that the birds canâ(TM)t consume enough food to stay healthy.

      We can start harvesting bird carcasses for plastic, taking it out of the environment, and acting as a source of plastic. Win-win. /sarcasm (that shouldn't be needed here... but...)

      Anything that reduces the population of seagulls (a.k.a. rats with wings) can be considered a win-win...;)

    6. Re:on the upside... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Many of the Godzilla monsters, including the King himself, were created by pollution. Godzilla was originally created by US atomic testing, although the recent reboot changed that origin since it was a US film.

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    7. Re:on the upside... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      They did, of a sort, Godzilla versus the Smog Monster.

    8. Re:on the upside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's natural selection in action, weening out the birds who are stupid enough to mistake plastic for food. A similar thing probably happened early on with animals too stupid to tell the difference between food and small stones. "Oh, I should probably move those rocks aside before I eat" was selected into many a species.

    9. Re:on the upside... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Few bird carcasses that I've met have been in a position to express "love" for anything.

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  2. using poster's almost and maybe by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    Trump is President of USA

  3. And? by VonSkippy · · Score: 0

    Seems like a perfect example of natural selection. The birds that figure out NOT to eat plastic (or how to get their body to deal with plastic after it's consumed) will survive to breed, the others, well the rule of nature is: Adapt, Evolve or Die.

    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, skipper.

    2. Re:And? by ASDFnz · · Score: 1

      It is far more likely that some sort of weird emergent evolution will go an and birds will start to be able to digest plastic.

      I can see upsides to it, but birst may start to taste funny after that ;) .

    3. Re:And? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      There are bacteria and eukaryotes that have been found consuming plastic in the ocean. It's only a matter of time until a bird consumes an "infected plastic" with said organism on it and isn't just killed off. Eventually, if we keep pouring plastic into the environment, this evolution will happen, but it could take thousands / millions of years.

    4. Re:And? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It is far more likely that some sort of weird emergent evolution will go an and birds will start to be able to digest plastic.

      I can see upsides to it, but birst may start to taste funny after that ;) .

      So you figure that if we put a thousand people in a room and allow them nothing to eat but rocks, you'll come back in 10 years, and they'll all have evolved to eat rocks? Most plastic has no particular nutrients, although there are exceptions like casein derived plastic, or Henry Ford's unsuccessful soybean plastic for automobile body panels.

      It's always good to understand that 99+ percent of all species have gone extinct. And often because of changing environment.

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    5. Re:And? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      There are bacteria and eukaryotes that have been found consuming plastic in the ocean. It's only a matter of time until a bird consumes an "infected plastic" with said organism on it and isn't just killed off. Eventually, if we keep pouring plastic into the environment, this evolution will happen, but it could take thousands / millions of years.

      Bacteria != an evolved animal. More likely, if any flying critters end up able to digest petrochemical plastic, that will be after the present ones have died off, and the chemical pathways to extract energy from plastics are initiated. Of course, this new food supply will be very limited, because humans will not likely be producing petrochemical plastics for those millions of years - if we are still around.

      For all purposes, petrochemical plastics function much better as a poison than a food source.

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    6. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you figure that if we put a thousand people in a room and allow them nothing to eat but rocks, you'll come back in 10 years, and they'll all have evolved to eat rocks?

      No but if you put a thousand people in a room with rocks AND real food and half of them can tell the difference and the other ones can't then when you come back in 10 years the only ones let will be the ones that can tell the difference between food and rocks.

    7. Re:And? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      There are bacteria and eukaryotes that have been found consuming plastic in the ocean.

      That's a pretty significant claim, for which I'd like to see a citation, because I think you're probably misunderstanding something of which I have heard.

      In the mid-70s, bacteria cultured from a waste-water treatment plant at a nylon-manufacturing plant (in Japan, IIRC) were found to be able to metabolise the monomers that form nylon (two different 6-carbon chains with condensible radicals on the 1- and 6- atoms) from their relatively high concentrations in the waste water. They used the pre-nylon monomers for both energy production (the isotopically labelled carbon would be excreted as isotopically labelled CO2) and for incorporation into structural proteins, lipids etc. The mutation that allowed them to do this was a single nucleotide error which changed the reading frame on one sector of DNA, which allowed the monomers to be used as source material in their metabolic network, the rest of which continued to operate more-or-less unchanged.

      That's the case I know to be true - I read up on it a decade or two ago, as the genetic work was a classic of the time. I have NOT heard of such bacteria being found in the general environment (because such monomers are pretty damned rare), and in any case cracking a condensed link in an established monomer is a very different job from grabbing a radical on one end of a short chain of aliphatic carbon.

      I suspect that you've been reading articles a long way down the chain of "Chinese Whispers" from the original work.

      Oh look, even wikipedia agrees with me!

      Refs : Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 1984 Apr; 81(8): 2421â"2425 "Birth of a unique enzyme from an alternative reading frame of the preexisted, internally repetitious coding sequence." S Ohno
      Kinoshita S, Negoro S, Muramatsu M, Bisaria VS, Sawada S, Okada H. "6-Aminohexanoic acid cyclic dimer hydrolase. A new cyclic amide hydrolase produced by Achromobacter guttatus K174." Eur J Biochem. 1977 Nov 1;80(2):489â"495.
      Kinoshita S, Terada T, Taniguchi T, Takene Y, Masuda S, Matsunaga N, Okada H. "Purification and characterization of 6-aminohexanoic-acid-oligomer hydrolase of Flavobacterium sp. K172." Eur J Biochem. 1981 Jun 1;116(3):547â"551. [PubMed]

      I know that is is hackneyed to request Slashdotters to provide references to original sources, but that is the standard which is requested of real scientific and technical people, and I see no reason to lower to the "entertainment" industry's standards.

      And of course, I remain open to the possibility that you've actually got some novel evidence. I haven't looked at this case in detail since before I got married.

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    8. Re:And? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my mistake - it's one monomer, but the bugs in question can chow down on the raw monomer, but most of the material in the waste water is the dimer (two monomers joined head-to-tail, which obviously closes the loop and makes it impossible for the dimer to participate in the polymerisation reaction. There's a second enzyme in the system that can open up the dimer to form monomers, which the rest of the system can then digest. I don't know if this has been tested, but I'd suspect that the monomer-eating ability would have evolved first, because even if you supplied pure dimer, then it would have equilibrated to produce some monomer in solution, on which the bacterium could then feed. Adding the dimer-cracking ability - from some other hydrolysis enzyme - would make the system much more useful to the bacterium. Working the other way would, IMHO, be rather less likely. But I wouldn't stake more than a pint of beer on the question.

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    9. Re:And? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      here ya go "The study is the first to document the biological communities living on the tiny particles of debris known as microplastics, and recorded many new types of microbe and invertebrate for the first time." This is pretty "new" discovery, from 2015, so yeah you might not have heard about it yet.

    10. Re:And? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Your first assertion.

      There are bacteria and eukaryotes that have been found consuming plastic in the ocean.

      Your purported support :

      "The study is the first to document the biological communities living on the tiny particles of debris known as microplastics, and recorded many new types of microbe and invertebrate for the first time.

      "Biological communities" living ON particles is one thing, similar to people living ON the coast ; people CONSUMING the coast is a different thing to people CONSUMING a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich.

      And for reference, the Discovery channel is not a peer reviewed journal for publication of scientific reports. I'll grant that there is probably more science in the average hour of Discovery Channel than the average hour of ... well things like the Italian film that my wife is occupying the TV with at the moment ... but it's still pretty thin soup.

      Following up from your link, the article seems to be a re-presentation of "Marine Plastic Pollution in Waters around Australia: Characteristics, Concentrations, and Pathways" Julia Reisser and 6 others, Published: November 27, 2013 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0080466 Abstract Plastics represent the vast majority of human-made debris present in the oceans. However, their characteristics, accumulation zones, and transport pathways remain poorly assessed. We characterised and estimated the concentration of marine plastics in waters around Australia using surface net tows, and inferred their potential pathways using particle-tracking models and real drifter trajectories. The 839 marine plastics recorded were predominantly small fragments (âoemicroplasticsâ, median length = 2.8 mm, mean length = 4.9 mm) resulting from the breakdown of larger objects made of polyethylene and polypropylene (e.g. packaging and fishing items). Mean sea surface plastic concentration was 4256.4 pieces kmâ'2, and after incorporating the effect of vertical wind mixing, this value increased to 8966.3 pieces kmâ'2. These plastics appear to be associated with a wide range of ocean currents that connect the sampled sites to their international and domestic sources, including populated areas of Australia's east coast. This study shows that plastic contamination levels in surface waters of Australia are similar to those in the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Maine, but considerably lower than those found in the subtropical gyres and Mediterranean Sea. Microplastics such as the ones described here have the potential to affect organisms ranging from megafauna to small fish and zooplankton.

      Nothing there about organisms digesting plastics, though the original reportage from Discovery (sorry, it's not original - it's re-hashed from Agence France Presse, I think) does talk about the effects of organisms ingesting plastic particles, and I also pick up implications form Discovery's writers that the plastics then get caught up in the faeces of the organism, and the faecal pellets then sink to the sea bed, hopefully taking the plastic out of the system. Which might work, but if the pooh is re-eaten on the seabed, all bets are off.

      Well, I don't see anything in that which goes beyond vague hints of mechanical erosion of plastic debris in the guts of marine organisms. Which is very definitely NOT digestion of the plastic in any chemical sense. (There is a mechanical sense used in the ore-processing industry where "digestion" includes mechanical reduction, but there is normally chemical digestion going on there as well.) I don't think you've made your case.

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  4. Because we are distracted by "global warming" by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of being concerned about the REAL environmental issues.... such as plastics and pollution of our bodies of water, hazardous chemical releases by our own government's negligence, and corruption of potable water supplies.

    1. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, because one problem exists, we should ignore even worse ones? (Climate change and the mechanism that is causing it does more than simply warm things up, it also causes things like ocean acidification)

      That is some sound logic I tell ya h'what.

    2. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by bob_super · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, if we keep having 3 cat4 hurricanes churning the Pacific garbage patch, you could easily argue that it's going to be one and the same problem.

    3. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on now,

      Everyone knows if 4 in 10,000 air particles is CO2 (like now)

      ---- instead of the natural state of 3 in 10,000 --- we will have 1 degree Celsius increase in global temperatures.

    4. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Microlith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like a mindless anti-government screed.

      Because we are distracted by "global warming"

      Which is a real issue, despite your denial.

      plastics and pollution of our bodies of water

      Which are also real issues, mostly perpetrated by corporate slop and a refusal to pay for the externalities of their production.

      hazardous chemical releases by our own government's negligence, and corruption of potable water supplies

      Which was an accident by a contractor that further polluted a river already polluted by mining operations done haphazardly decades ago - mining that polluted heavily but the costs for which were pushed off on society at large.

    5. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a fool would think that one long term disaster was more or less pressing than a cumulative and current disaster for which no end is in sight.

      They aren't mutually exclusive threats to our existence as a species, as a functional self-sustaining ecosystem. Don't be a fool. They are related.

      Plastic is made of oil. Consumerism and consumption has brought that into the bellies of ALL MARINE LIFE, soon enough. And then, to ours.

      I hope you love plastic as much as island communities will love no longer existing, because of the unremembered greed of so many idiots.

    6. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      There's more than enough evidence to place it in the realm of plausible and even probable science. The news media being shitty doesn't refute how much we know about the effects of our dirty energy sources on the climate.

      But I agree, the ends can justify the means, even when they too heavy handed at times. It's too bad China (who will easily be out-polluting us in years to come) doesn't give two shits about our energy policy, since current U.S. politicians and companies are working together in order to make us even more dependent upon their labor and goods.

    7. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We screw up the environment for sure. The man-made global warming "science" is a circular argument that instead of any hard science sources --- reverts to circular "because we said so and 72000% of scientists we selectively pick --- using methods that would cause a statistician to projectile vomit -- agree!". I'm not sure the Catholic church was that shitty to science back in Gallileo's times.

      But the fact is, we waste all our resources, aren't energy efficient and spread trash everywhere.
       
      I'm not sure China will respond to "peer pressure" --- those guys have 4000 years of stubbornness.
       
      But they pollute so bad, if the Yellow River were just yellow would be improvement.

    8. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, one is a real disaster with actual physical evidence and the other is global warming, a theory that consists of no actual evidence. And no, the temperature records, no matter how much you manipulate them, do not prove anything one way or the other.

      But don't believe me, just look at the predictions made two decades ago, or even one decade ago - zero came true. How many will come true next year (zero) and the year after (zero). How many full decades of incorrect predictions is it going to take before people universally mock the AGW congregation? The collectivists that are running this scam are dragging what used to be the trusted name of "science" thru the mud to try and push their collectivist agendas. The price will be that the public no longer trusts science.

      Remember that! Zero evidence. Zero correct predictions. They claim they can predict an open thermodynamic system with nearly infinite variables, but meanwhile, in realsville, we know you can't even accurately predict things in a closed thermodynamic system with just a few variables! Every other branch of science LOLs at the methodology (or lack of) used by the AGW guys - especially the statisticians whose discipline they've hijacked and attempted to turn into a propaganda machine. How are those "more hurricanes" working out for you? What? No F4 or F5s since the prediction was made! That's actually statistically significant IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!

      But we're supposed to change the entire world's way of life - coincidentally into a top down authoritarian state controlled utopia - and we're supposed to believe that that's totally a coincidence. We're supposed to not think that just because that is also the collectivist wet dream that they're just using AGW as a means to an end! I mean, god forbid we consider that people pushing for a global takeover of every country's economy have an agenda. Because people, especially people in power, never have anything but the most genuine altruistic motives. Sure, global warming was in part created by a famous statist politician that has since then enriched the fuck out of himself using it, but I'm sure he had his scientist hat on that day, so it's all good, we need not question his motives - even if he doesn't seem to be terribly concerned with the environment based on his own actions.

      Then they defend their theory primarily with the logical fallacy "appeal to popularity" (look at everyone who agrees!!) or "ad hominem" (you're not qualified to talk about this therefore your logic is no good here) and fail to provide any evidence supporting their theory - or indeed even have an actual scientific theory in the first place!

      Remember this one thing: If your theory cannot be falsified, it isn't actually a scientific theory.

    9. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by lucm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's too bad China (who will easily be out-polluting us in years to come) doesn't give two shits about our energy policy

      Did you know that last year, China investments in renewable energy was bigger than that of all European countries combined? They accounted for more than 60%of the world's investment in that sector. And it's even bigger in other "green" areas (forest and wildlife protection, etc).

      Nobody in China is thrilled by pollution. But over the last decades they had to deal with insane urbanization rates, the constant threat of starvation and other problems that are completely foreign to us, so yes, fighting pollution did not come first, but that doesn't mean they don't care. They just have to juggle many impossible priorities.

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    10. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

      http://www.urbandictionary.com...

      You see, there are more than ONE problem at a time. AGW is by far THE most severe and just because you can't comprehend it doesn't make it go away. Plastic in the oceans is another, completely tangential problem. Then there is overfishing and basically almost complete fishery collapses across almost all fished fish stocks, which is another problem. Then there is acid rain problem and ozone problem, one local and one global, both mostly fixed these days because of action by dedicated people to stop UV index 60 from being reality. Then you have your noise pollution and light pollution. I could go on and on and on.

      Anyway, you do realize that plastics in ocean is a global problem, not a problem of "our own government"? Plastic in pacific ocean ends up there from China, from Vietnam, from Australia, from Germany, from Nigeria, from Brazil, etc. etc. etc. it's not going to be solved by US or by China alone.

    11. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's is some interesting information. Thank you for sharing.

    12. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

      That is good! I'm sure they are embarrassed about how their air quality is famously terrible, so that's a good motivation to kick non-coal energy production into high gear.

      But at least, my point about it not being up to the U.S. still stand true. I doubt we could ever get the to change their mind about something while we are still letting some of our companies hand over a nice bundle of our jobs market.
      If the coal pollution wasn't literally making people in major cities sick, the "pressure" we've put on them would do nothing to make them invest in anything else.

    13. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by houghi · · Score: 1

      Please never drive a car, because you clearly can not focus on cars coming from two directions on a crossroad.

      If a car example is not clear enough:
      Like most issues, this is not OR/OR this is AND/AND.

      So not 'Instead'. That is your major flaw. There is no 'instead'. Take a step back and you see that it is BOTH the same issue: polution.

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    14. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you know that last year, China investments in renewable energy was bigger than that of all European countries combined? They accounted for more than 60%of the world's investment in that sector.

      That is a nice way to say that the Chinese government is subisiding Chinese solar panel manufacturers heavily in order to force all foreign competitors into bankruptcy. However, I don't think it does contribute much towards lowering pollution.

      Now I agree that China is making steps to reduce pollution, but let's acknoledge that China still pollutes far mor than all European and most Asian countries, and that this will continue to be true for quite some time.

    15. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, because one problem exists, we should ignore even worse ones?

      No, that is what we are doing. Grandparent is (rightly) arguing that we should do the opposite. Because of the recent obsession with global warming (which may be a serious problem, but probably hard if not impossible to reduce significantly), we are completely neglecting the much bigger problem of pollution, even though in many cases, solutions already exist.

      The global warming scare may well turn out to be one of the biggest mistakes of our time.

    16. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      No, they have a theory. The greenhouse effect is a thing. Where they go off on the rails for me is assuming that the earth and humans can't handle climate variability. If anything for the long term strategy, we should be willing and accepting of climate change and be prepared to adapt. No amounts of cuts to carbon emissions will keep the climate constant. Whether climate change is natural or caused by humans, the effect is the same. Live near the ocean? Be prepared to move. Live in a cold climate, be prepared to have neighbors. Start building dams to hold and control drinking water supplies. Don't waste ground water on ethanol production. These are things that make sense regardless of climate change.

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    17. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah because the government was responsible for the build up of hazardous chemical...*eye roll*

    18. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by tbannist · · Score: 1

      It would have been nice if you had written one true thing in that entire post, you have truly written a mighty gish gallop of ridicule and ignorance.

      Some short notes because you're likely libertarded:

      1. The predictions are more accurate than you would have us believe.
      2. Of course, there is "no evidence" if you dismiss every piece of evidence "because communists".
      3. The impact of global warming on hurricanes is an area of ongoing research, the results are not conclusive in any direction yet.
      4. Authoritarians will tell you that anything can be solved by more authoritarian measures. Whether or not they want to use global warming to enact those measures has no impact on the existence of the phenomenon or the results of studying it. You are using the fallacy "appeal to consequences" to argue that people shouldn't believe in global warming because it might be used to justify measures that you disagree with. It's a bit insane to claim that something isn't true because "statists" have a solution for it.
      5. When 97% of the experts agree on something it's an "appeal to authority", not an "appeal to popularity".
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    19. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Instead of being concerned about the REAL environmental issues.... such as plastics and pollution of our bodies of water, hazardous chemical releases by our own government's negligence, and corruption of potable water supplies.

      I don't believe in that either. There is no global warming, and no poisoning or pollution of anything.

      See, I can deny better than you can.

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    20. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      It's too bad China (who will easily be out-polluting us in years to come) doesn't give two shits about our energy policy

      Did you know that last year, China investments in renewable energy was bigger than that of all European countries combined? They accounted for more than 60%of the world's investment in that sector. And it's even bigger in other "green" areas (forest and wildlife protection, etc).

      Nobody in China is thrilled by pollution. But over the last decades they had to deal with insane urbanization rates, the constant threat of starvation and other problems that are completely foreign to us, so yes, fighting pollution did not come first, but that doesn't mean they don't care. They just have to juggle many impossible priorities.

      How much of that investment is actually planned for use in China versus how much is investment for manufacturing product that will be sold elsewhere?

      China is very good at investing in whatever they can then export. I suspect that very little of that product will actually be used in China itself.

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    21. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is polution caused by polonium?

      Many of us are more concerned by pollution, not polution.

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    22. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I don't believe in that either. There is no global warming, and no poisoning or pollution of anything.

      I am willing to stipulate that global warming happens and concerns may have some bearing, if you will just agree that toxic chemical releases and water contamination are a bigger more immediately pressing issue that GW should not distract us from.

      Also, we have done most of what is within our power regarding GW, and if we weren't so distracted, we could have much more beneficial improvements if our officials would concentrate on fixing things that are the most seriously broken that they can have the greatest positive impact on.

      Especially when we have credible scientists warning that the EPA is so negligent in the latest accident that it seemed like it could have been a planned accident to get their way politically.

      I'm giving the EPA the benefit of the doubt that they were just grossly negligent ---- if BP, or a private cleanup company had committed a clearly incorrect decision with these kinds of disastrous results, there would be billion dollar fines and likely executives going to jail.

    23. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by lucm · · Score: 1

      It's too bad China (who will easily be out-polluting us in years to come) doesn't give two shits about our energy policy

      Did you know that last year, China investments in renewable energy was bigger than that of all European countries combined? They accounted for more than 60%of the world's investment in that sector. And it's even bigger in other "green" areas (forest and wildlife protection, etc).

      Nobody in China is thrilled by pollution. But over the last decades they had to deal with insane urbanization rates, the constant threat of starvation and other problems that are completely foreign to us, so yes, fighting pollution did not come first, but that doesn't mean they don't care. They just have to juggle many impossible priorities.

      How much of that investment is actually planned for use in China versus how much is investment for manufacturing product that will be sold elsewhere?

      China is very good at investing in whatever they can then export. I suspect that very little of that product will actually be used in China itself.

      The economy of China has changed a lot over the last 5 years. Now the majority of the products they manufacture is for the Chinese market. Same goes for recycling - electronic scrap from the USA used to represent 95% of their recycling/refurbishing market, now it's less than half.

      It is expected that by 2020, about 60% of the world's middle class will be Chinese. This is a huge market. When poor workers come to the city to get low-paying jobs doing menial labor (which is much better than starvation on bad farmland), someone gets a bump higher in the food chain and use their new income to buy dishwashers and computers or move to a nicer home. Multiply that by billions and you get an economy that has a spectacular growth.

      Meanwhile, the economy in the western countries is stalled.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    24. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I am willing to stipulate that global warming happens and concerns may have some bearing, if you will just agree that toxic chemical releases and water contamination are a bigger more immediately pressing issue that GW should not distract us from.

      But it isn't an either/or situation. People can think about multiple things. We have water cleanup in my area, but that doesn't mean that when I think about acid drainage mitigation, that Greenhouse gas just gets pushed out.

      Also, we have done most of what is within our power regarding GW, and if we weren't so distracted, we could have much more beneficial improvementsif our officials would concentrate on fixing things that are the most seriously broken that they can have the greatest positive impact on.

      If I might make a financial example. I started saving for retirement when I was pretty young. I didn't live like a pauper, but my house was a ittle less expensive, and my cars were kept a few extra years. But I didn't lose sight of either my retirement funds or my standard of living.

      Long view plus short view. Gotta have it. Without the long view, teh short view is pointless, just like my co workers who are now trying to figure out how they can retire.

      Especially when we have credible scientists warning that the EPA is so negligent in the latest accident that it seemed like it could have been a planned accident to get their way politically.

      Bolshy yarblockos. As batshit insanely angry as people who hate the EPA with a white hot passion have suddenly become tree hugging environmentalists. ....... Let us not forget just who the hell put that mine drainage there in the first place.

      It's the crocodile tears of the suddenly a talking point environmentalists, who in similar form are outraged that compact florescent light bulbs have a tiny bit of mercury in them, yet have been throwing their 4 foot long lamps out in the regular garbage since forever.

      I'lll be that the loudest voices of outrage wouldn't dream of passing a regulation that would require the people who actually caused the initial problem to have to reduce their profits by the evil regulations. Regulations are bad. Regulations are Socialist. And teh cmpanies would clean up after themselves always if we didn't have these outlandish reguations and groups like teh EPA around. Right?

      I'm giving the EPA the benefit of the doubt that they were just grossly negligent ---- if BP, or a private cleanup company had committed a clearly incorrect decision with these kinds of disastrous results, there would be billion dollar fines and likely executives going to jail.

      So what should we do? Eliminate the EPA? We certainly aren't going to give them more people or oversight.

      All of the blame might ring a little more true if the EPA caused the initial problem. But last time I checked, the EPA doesn't operate any Gold mines.

      But to your point of doing things for today, my view of today's issues is colord by my location, and seeing what happens in an unregulated environment. I could take you on tours of red running rivers, where the rocks are permanently stained, and no life exists. Rivers where people are advised to use fiberglass or plastic canoes instead of aluminum, which comes out of the river shiny after the first use, then after every scratch from the red stained rocks, starts the water eating away at the metal in earnest. Where the pH is lower than vinegar. It was once a very popular fishing stream. It once brought in tourists.

      I could show you large tracts of once beautiful mountain land which are now covered with highwalls - completely ruined for any purpose at all. No one could use them now for forestry or logging, no one could use them for housing once civilization gets close enough. No

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    25. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      It's too bad China (who will easily be out-polluting us in years to come) doesn't give two shits about our energy policy

      Did you know that last year, China investments in renewable energy was bigger than that of all European countries combined? They accounted for more than 60%of the world's investment in that sector. And it's even bigger in other "green" areas (forest and wildlife protection, etc).

      Nobody in China is thrilled by pollution. But over the last decades they had to deal with insane urbanization rates, the constant threat of starvation and other problems that are completely foreign to us, so yes, fighting pollution did not come first, but that doesn't mean they don't care. They just have to juggle many impossible priorities.

      How much of that investment is actually planned for use in China versus how much is investment for manufacturing product that will be sold elsewhere?

      China is very good at investing in whatever they can then export. I suspect that very little of that product will actually be used in China itself.

      The economy of China has changed a lot over the last 5 years. Now the majority of the products they manufacture is for the Chinese market. Same goes for recycling - electronic scrap from the USA used to represent 95% of their recycling/refurbishing market, now it's less than half.

      It is expected that by 2020, about 60% of the world's middle class will be Chinese. This is a huge market. When poor workers come to the city to get low-paying jobs doing menial labor (which is much better than starvation on bad farmland), someone gets a bump higher in the food chain and use their new income to buy dishwashers and computers or move to a nicer home. Multiply that by billions and you get an economy that has a spectacular growth.

      Meanwhile, the economy in the western countries is stalled.

      All agreed - however you haven't actually answered the question (in bold above).

      People who are interested in their first washing machine are not necessarily interested in green technology.

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      blindly antisocialist = antisocial
    26. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by lucm · · Score: 1

      How much of that investment is actually planned for use in China versus how much is investment for manufacturing product that will be sold elsewhere?

      you haven't actually answered the question (in bold above).

      People who are interested in their first washing machine are not necessarily interested in green technology.

      Nowadays, most of the Chinese investments in green technologies is for domestic use. It's not out of the goodness of their hearts; it's simply because there is a constant shortage of resources.

      That's where the fantastic expertise they have in recycling and refurbishing comes from. Did you know that in most cities, the majority of household garbage is *sold*, not thrown away? It's so common that keeping the trash is often seen as a bonus given to housekeepers by their employers.

      Recycling and being green is not a virtue in China, it's common sense. The reason why pollution is still bad is because in many industrial sectors or regions the technology to do things in a more sustainable way isn't available or affordable yet. But it's changing fast, and when a situation is very bad like it happened in a few regions, the local government usually steps in and shutdowns the worst offenders.

      Whether it's green technology, software, clothes, food, or anything else, China is now the biggest market for Chinese companies. This is completely different from 10 years ago.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    27. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Thank you I find your commentary highly informative -

      --
      blindly antisocialist = antisocial
    28. Re:Because we are distracted by "global warming" by mysidia · · Score: 1

      But it isn't an either/or situation. People can think about multiple things.

      People are not very good at doing that.

      suddenly a talking point environmentalists, who in similar form are outraged that compact florescent light bulbs have a tiny bit of mercury in them, yet have been throwing their 4 foot long lamps out in the regular garbage since forever.

      The 4ft long lamps were a small minority of the lightning market, they have a long life time and are usually installed by pros. in commercial environments in well-protected enclosures; the CFLs are being sold as an incandescent replacement which most lightbulbs are, And the mercury is more of a safety issue for the users.

      So what should we do? Eliminate the EPA? We certainly aren't going to give them more people or oversight.

      Get them out of the business of doing cleanups, and only lay down the requirements and restrictions.

  5. War on Seagulls by PatientZero · · Score: 1

    At last, our long, bloody war on seagulls may finally reach its conclusion!

    --
    Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
    I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
  6. there has to be a systemic source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    considering the quantity, there has to be somebody dumping garbage on a massive scale somewhere. I checked the Wikipedia article and it doesn't mention anything about the source. Considering the high cost of land in asia a doubt if landfills are good option. there has to be large scale dumping going on somewhere of post-consumer garbage.

    1. Re:there has to be a systemic source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The extra greenies would have us believe it all comes from plastic wal-mart bags. Of course we will have to see what they blame it on next now that plastic bags are going to be illegal in California.

    2. Re:there has to be a systemic source by quetwo · · Score: 1

      It comes from all over. Cruise ships and other large carriers dump their trash into the ocean. Some countries dump their trash into the ocean. Some countries don't cover their trash-filled landfills, and the debris becomes airborne and land in the ocean. And those are just the intentional ones -- if a ship capsizes, you don't think it's contents just disappears, do you?

      It dosen't take one large source for this to be a problem. As time marches on, it is a bunch of little sources that are contributing to make one big mess.

    3. Re:there has to be a systemic source by slew · · Score: 2

      considering the quantity, there has to be somebody dumping garbage on a massive scale somewhere. I checked the Wikipedia article and it doesn't mention anything about the source. Considering the high cost of land in asia a doubt if landfills are good option. there has to be large scale dumping going on somewhere of post-consumer garbage.

      FWIW, my understanding that about 80% of the plastics come from land based sources. Much of the plastic is post-consumer waste from urban runoff: sourced from beach litter, rivers and storm drains near large cities. Another large source is garbage transport lossage (e.g., things that fall off barges and trucks on their way to landfills or recycling centers). The biggest industrial source is plastics manufacturers that spill plastic pellets (which generally gets swept up in urban runoff).

      In southern California alone, the EPA estimated that 4.5 million pounds per year is produced by post-consumer urban runoff.

      There are of course people who dump garbage directly into the water like fishing boats, and commercial ships, and there are always a few lost shipping containers, but apparently they account for less than 20% of the pacific garbage patch.

      Landfills are very common in asia. But of course there are problems. The number 1 problem is the waste transportation infrastructure is weak and has minimal regulations. Also, the landfills themselves don't have the best technology (the leach all sorts of toxins because of poor hydrology and other leachate issues, no methane management generating greenhouse gasses, uncontrolled tipping reducing the density, etc). A large amount of garbage in the pacific is attributable to the waste transportation problem, and I'm sure a few barge operator might ditch a load or two, but given the scale of their operations, they aren't just dumping everything in the river (which they would eventually have to dredge to continue their operations if they did that).

      So to answer your question, apparently people in coastal cities litter on a massive scale which is due to urban runoff is apparently contributing much of the garbage patch. Depending on estimates it could be as much as 50%...

  7. Naaasty birds at the gyre! by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    dont eat plastic
    ok so you did
    you stoopid bird
    out of the gene pool!
    now fishes gonna eat u
    meanwhile at the dump
    'ocean foraging' boids
    have been gulpin' plastic
    since 1950s
    who weeps for them
    hey stoopid man, clean up ocean
    not fer boids do it fer yerself
    quick before endangered specie
    is found thriving in the gyres
    becuz then plastic gyres will become
    protected international habitat

    --
    <blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
  8. Humans eat plastic too by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With all the industrial food wrapped into plastic containers, human also eat plastic, since almost all plastic leak chemical into the food.

    Polyethylene and polypropylene may be the exceptions, but they always come with other chemicals that improve color or plasticity.

  9. Fuck'em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    An interesting but positive side-effect of pollution.

  10. Wait a second! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought that kid's plastic super scooper was supposed to be able to clean all that shit up in ten years! What's up with that?

  11. Based on current trends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...4,568% of seabirds will be made out of 5,643% plastic by 2080.

    This sounds really doubtful. There are large plastic deposits, but the ocean is big, really big. The deposits make up 0.00004% of the area of the oceans.

    But let me guess: they need money to go and "study" it for the next 30 years until they make enough to retire on.

  12. SIlly me by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    I thought every bird was already eating plastic. Silly me.

  13. This is why by radams217 · · Score: 1

    This is why you shouldn't shit where you eat. I was watching a documentary on netflix about this. It's really sad and one of the reasons why I don't use plastic bags or drink from plastic water bottles. It'll take a revolution to fix this.

  14. Re:not so much on the upside... by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not even funny how grotesque this is.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  15. The Bright Side by Guy+From+V · · Score: 1

    At least its not Alka-Seltzer.

    1. Re:The Bright Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And popcorn. Finish off with a diet-Coke.

  16. Egghead morons by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 1

    Instead of watching them eat the garbage, why don't you get off your duffs and clean it up?

    --
    Buck Feta. You know what to do.
    1. Re:Egghead morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, moron. As if that were even possible now. As if you had ever made 2 tries at thinking about this.

    2. Re:Egghead morons by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      The magnitude of this problem is absolutely enormous. It would take huge amounts of resources just to keep pace with the new crap being dumped into the oceans. Furthermore, a lot of this stuff has been broken down into very tiny pieces that a person couldn't just scoop out of the water.
      Right now, the most effective way of tackling this issue is preventing even more garbage from getting into the ocean.
      I'm not one of these "big government must do something" watermelon environmentalists, but I'm making a conscious effort to avoid plastics.

  17. Science For The Birds by swell · · Score: 1

    We can perform miracles when we apply science to the problem. All we need here is to reformulate plastics into a nutritious dietary enhancement. Plastics have long taken many forms, textures and other characteristics with the brilliant work of scientists and engineers. The only plastic on my 1950 Pontiac was a hood ornament that looked like amber. Today there's no place to put a magnet in your car- everything is plastic.

    Furthermore, let's look on some past breakthroughs, like in the 70s when we created the Six Million Dollar Man and edible panties. Didn't Kennedy and dedicated American scientists put a man on the moon? We can do this people!

    Apologizing for all caps in title; it seems to be required at slashdot.

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    ...omphaloskepsis often...
  18. The article does not say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...where most of this ocean-borne plastic comes from. How much of it is consumer waste, and how much of it is industrial waste?

    It is a common belief that minor modifications of consumer behavior (like recycling plastic instead of throwing it away) can make a significant impact on this pollution, and that in many cases this is not true (for example, reducing one's use of paper products will not reduce global deforestation in the slightest, since our paper comes from tree farms that get replanted).

    I try to keep my plastic use low when possible...if only as a token gesture....which may very well be all it is.

    1. Re:The article does not say... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Reducing one's use of paper products will not reduce global deforestation

      I suggest banning the sale of lumber products taken from natural forests, Or of farm or other products created on formerly forested land without paying a heft fee per hectare of land.

      Let the economic ramifications work their way back through the system and remove any significant incentive for people to deforest land.

    2. Re:The article does not say... by Coolhand2120 · · Score: 2

      I think deforestation is mostly due to countries trying to increase the amount of arable land they possess, not related to old growth nightstands and dressers. Considering that this action is taken to try and feed starving people, you're going to be hard pressed to get them to stop it.

    3. Re:The article does not say... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "I suggest banning the sale of lumber products taken from natural forests, Or of farm or other products created on formerly forested land without paying a heft fee per hectare of land."

      I would take this farther. Let's stop using anything "wild caught" and favor that which is farmed, be it trees or seafood. Most especially, we want to absolutely ban the use of "wild caught" on labels as though hunting and gathering were somehow more "environmental" or "organic" than farming. If you care about sustainability, it's actually the other way around.

    4. Re:The article does not say... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      In most poor countries, deforestation is also occurring because the people there still use wood / charcoal to cook and heat with. Those areas of the world don't have an electric grid like the US / Europe and depend upon this wood for survival.

    5. Re:The article does not say... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I might help if we stopped using up a decent portion of already cleared arable land for fuel production...

      --
      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    6. Re:The article does not say... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      This is why I actually prefer non-organic foods. I want farmers to use pesticides, gmos, and fertilizer. It's more efficient and better for the planet and humanity on the whole.

      --
      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    7. Re:The article does not say... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      A good sized piece of the deforestation pie is to increase oil nut and sugar cane production to feed the bio-fuel industry.

      --
      Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
    8. Re:The article does not say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cooking and heating are typically done with natural gas, propane or fuel oil, not electricity. Having an electric grid is not a factor here. The price of fuel and devices is.

    9. Re:The article does not say... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      You do have to be careful with fertilizer, too much injures the soil's micro-flora which inhibits the crop's ability to absorb essential nutrients and minerals; modern farmers use a crop production service that analyses the soil, considers the crop being planted and applies a custom blended mixture of fertilizer and minerals. Production increases in Europe have been flat, it's hard to tell if this is because of their abhorance of GMO and pesticides, antiquated farming methods or increased bio-mass monoculture, but European soil is losing organic carbon compounds and fertility.

      --
      Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
    10. Re:The article does not say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, I care about pesticide residues in my body more than I care about the planet and humanity on the whole.

  19. Seabirds and landfills by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 0, Troll

    The birds that figure out NOT to eat plastic (or how to get their body to deal with plastic after it's consumed) will survive to breed ...

    Indeed.

    There are clouds of seagulls constantly hanging out at the landfills in the San Francisco Bay Area, picking food out of the trash as it's dumped. Lots of plastic in the same load (even now that the plastic grocery bags are banned.) Why haven't THEY gone extinct yet?

    Do the "environmentalists" think these gulls are better at distinguishing, or surviving ingestion of, plastic than the ones at sea? Or do we have to put roofs over our landfills to protect these endangered avian pests?

    Somehow I'm not convinced this is a real problem.

    --
    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
    1. Re:Seabirds and landfills by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A Diet To Die For
      One bird feasts on food that would leave most other animals stone dead
      Nov 29th 2014
      The Economist

      Among an average of 528 types of bacterium found on the heads of 50 turkey and black vultures were those that can cause botulism, gangrene, tetanus, septicaemia, blood clots and metastatic abscesses in other animals. And although these birds did not have it, another study found Bacillus anthracis in vulture faeces. It causes anthrax, except in vultures.

      Vultures clearly have strong stomachs, in every sense. With an acidity at least ten times that of a human’s, a vulture’s gut destroys a large amount of any potentially pathogenic bacteria that is ingested. Indeed, when the researchers analysed the contents of each bird’s large intestine, they could not detect some 85% of the micro-organisms they had found on its facial skin.

      But what remains is hardly benign. The microbial flora in a vulture’s large intestine is dominated by two types of anaerobic faecal bacteria, Clostridia and Fusobacteria, both of which can be deadly to other animals. Some Clostridia species have been responsible for periodic mass die-offs in birds such as ducks, geese and waders (although other species can be beneficial), while Fusobacteria nucleatum is associated with human colon cancer.

      -- The Economist, November 29th, 2014

      [Just because seagulls and vultures can do it, doesn't mean terns and albatrosses can]

    2. Re:Seabirds and landfills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I, however, am convinced you're a total fucking idiot.

    3. Re:Seabirds and landfills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So because gulls are doing well living out of garbage, there's nothing to worry about.
      You're out of your mind.

    4. Re:Seabirds and landfills by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A Diet To Die For

      One bird feasts on food that would leave most other animals stone dead

      Underground Lightning reminds me of a co-worker of mine.

      He maintained that there was no need for any regulation of any dangerous chemicals, whether it was asbestos, sewage, or radioactive waste.

      He insisted "We'll adapt to all that stuff". He never did have a good answer to my mentioning that adapt means that maybe two people out of a million might survive, and not very well at that.

      And lest he get too smug, there are these weird little microspheres of plastic that are getting into the oceans. It turns out some manufacturers of skin exfoliants have switched away from traditional exfoliants like ground apricot seeds to these microspheres. Not for any good reason - they certainly don't work better.

      But the plastics involved make it to the ocean, and they last a long long time, to be eaten by fish and other little sea critters.

      One adverse effect is that they are estrogen mimics, and can mess up males reproductive organs. And eventually it gets back to us.

      I suspect our guy might have eaten a lot of that fish already, because he's being a bit of a cunt.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    5. Re:Seabirds and landfills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do the "environmentalists" think these gulls are better at distinguishing, or surviving ingestion of, plastic than the ones at sea?

      Can you enlighten us on the life expectancy of these seagulls compared to the seagulls that eat no plastic? Perhaps, just perhaps, you see so many because they find more stuff to eat, reproduce more as a consequence... and then die off much faster because of the crap they ate. I know, I know, I'm throwing stuff in the air, but at least I'm trying to use my head.

    6. Re:Seabirds and landfills by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Not for any good reason

      It's a cosmetic product. No good reason is possible. Just "Marketing said so".

      'B'-ark material.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  20. A picture is worth a thousand words by InfiniteZero · · Score: 2

    Just came across this picture yesterday, better than the one in the article:

    http://www.afternoongossip.com/its-time-to-be-worried/14/

    1. Re:A picture is worth a thousand words by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You should go through those pictures. Cities are proof of our wastefulness, greenhouses in Spain are a big issue! That is some crazy in that page.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  21. Big fucking deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ones who eat plastic die. The ones who don't, survive to breed more. Within a couple of generations, none of them eat plastic anymore. Problem fucking solved.

    1. Re:Big fucking deal by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Dear Coward: you are an idiot.

  22. Sixth Great Extinction Event is underway by Beeftopia · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stanford researcher declares that the sixth mass extinction is here
    Stanford Report
    June 19, 2015

    That is the bad news at the center of a new study by a group of scientists including Paul Ehrlich, the Bing Professor of Population Studies in biology and a senior fellow at the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment. Ehrlich and his co-authors call for fast action to conserve threatened species, populations and habitat, but warn that the window of opportunity is rapidly closing.

    "[The study] shows without any significant doubt that we are now entering the sixth great mass extinction event," Ehrlich said.

    -- Stanford Report, June 19, 2015

    1. Re:Sixth Great Extinction Event is underway by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1
      --
      We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
  23. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The birds that survive will evolve and adapt to become capable of eating the plastic and somehow create the enzymes necessary to neutralize the harmful elements.

    Not entirely unlike how humans have somehow managed to survive despite great disease plagues that SHOULD have wiped out entire generations. Although it may be like in Africa where those who are immune to terrible diseases, like Ebola, are shunned, and therefore unable to pass on their genes, unless they viciously rape and impregnate innocent women.

    1. Re:Who cares? by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Dear Coward: you, sir, are an idiot.

  24. Greedy Buggers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They steal My Chips.. Now the Blighters are Stealing My Plastic!!!

  25. What do you expect from a Mysidian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mysidia is the location of the crystal of water, which was stolen by Cecil. So it should be obvious that water is a primary concern for them.

    The crystal of fire and global warming simply aren't as big a concern.

  26. Alternative Titles by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seabirds May Be Eating Steak by 2020
    Seabirds May Be Living on the Moon by 2020
    Seabird May Become the Dominant Species on the Planet by 2020

  27. News for Birds by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By 2050, nearly all articles posted on "news" sites will be hyped-up predictions of the distant future.

  28. Re:not so much on the upside... by Greyfox · · Score: 2
    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  29. Not a problem, but a benefit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a brilliant plan! Instead of spending billions of dollars cleaning it up, we can let nature's garbage collectors do it for us. (I don't know if you've ever visited a landfill, but I can tell you there's nothing there killing off the bird population. They swarm 'round the plastic and thrive.) Thank you for proving that we don't need to do anything, researchers!

    1. Re:Not a problem, but a benefit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in third world countries that still bury their waste (including recyclabes such as plastics) in landfills.

  30. Nearly every HUMAN eating plastic by 2050 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What is that crap in McDonalds nuggets and burgers?? Silicon Putty, the crap you rework seals with.

  31. Re: Enviro-nazi lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haha yes .. and I got 240+ vaccines to stick into people please buy them wholesale and make them mandatory. There are over 240+ vaccines awaiting fda rubberstamp approval and your kid is going to have to take them all. Enjoy your new world.

  32. Charlatans by lucm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By 2050, about 99.8% of the species studied will have eaten plastic

    This sounds a lot like the "one in three women around the world will get raped in their lifetime" bullshit figure that has been repeated ad nauseam over the last 10 years by people who couldn't calc.exe their way out of a paper bag.

    --
    lucm, indeed.
    1. Re:Charlatans by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      So you're referring to yourself...got it...

  33. Here's the problem by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

    You need an environmental 9/11, "Sandy Hook", Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Alamo", etc. moment to move people's cheese. Until then, we have too many other crises to think about. I mean, didn't you hear about Miley Cyrus accidentally showing a nipple during the VMAs? Think of the children!...

    Heck - If some educated official in a position of power tried to actually do something about it (good or bad), they'd be shot to pieces by lobbyists and special interests that would outright lie to keep the money flowing. (See the tobacco and leaded gasoline industries - and who's to say who's next? Cellphone companies and cancer?)

    1. Re:Here's the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We tried that with the Deepwater Horizon. It didn't take.

    2. Re:Here's the problem by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      Yea, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico five years ago didn't really do much to stir the consciousness of Americans.
      That was the environmental 9/11 or Pearl Harbor you're looking for.

      People know we are on the downward spiral.
      People have known since the 1970s that the environment is in bad shape, and that as long as we continue our selfish ways not much will change.

      It's like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

      --
      We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
    3. Re:Here's the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize this is the exact plot of Michael Crichton's State of Fear, the book continually ridiculed and maligned by environmentalists and climate scientists alike?

      Maybe he wasn't so far off.

    4. Re:Here's the problem by bjdevil66 · · Score: 1

      That didn't take a little longer because the spill itself disappeared so much more quickly from the Gulf than people expected (or that's the story the media told us?) And since I never visit the gulf or visibly rely on what it produces, it faded quickly.

      The disaster I describe has to be more permanent and affect the everyday life of all humans. Like an entire species of dogs or cats dying off due to some mystery "colony collapse disorder" later revealed to be man-made (see the 3rd original Planet Of The Apes movie), the honeybees die off completely and all food becomes much more limited and scarce, the ozone layer really does disappear and this time over populated areas of the Earth, etc.

  34. Herewith, my solution by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Require that the specific gravity of every form of plastic be greater than 1. End of problem.

    1. Re:Herewith, my solution by wstrucke · · Score: 1

      The specific gravity of salt water is about 1.025 already.

    2. Re:Herewith, my solution by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Yes, there needs to be a small adder for the higher density of seawater, so hat the actual standard would be 1.1 . But you get the idea.

    3. Re:Herewith, my solution by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      A further check shows that there is not much about our plastics manufacture that has to change:
      http://www.dotmar.com.au/densi...
      The bad guys are polyethylene and polypropylene.

    4. Re:Herewith, my solution by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't finding a regulation that will fix things. There are plenty. The problem is countries that look like this, and don't care about plastic regulations in your country.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    5. Re:Herewith, my solution by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      As with carbon emissions, if we step up and lead, others will tend to follow.

      Would the scene be from one of those flyspeck African countries that refuses our food aid because someone from Greenpeace has told them that GMO wheat is bad for them? If so, then that country's plastic pollution will quickly take care of itself.

  35. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    then start putting some vitamins in plastic.

    the least we could do.

  36. Pretty sure that cat5 hurricanes is the minimum by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Actually, if we keep having 3 cat4 hurricanes churning the Pacific garbage patch, you could easily argue that it's going to be one and the same problem.

    Pretty sure that cat5 hurricanes is the minimum ...assuming you want a good signal.

    1. Re:Pretty sure that cat5 hurricanes is the minimum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I prefer cat5e hurricanes, and landfall needs to be auto mdix.

    2. Re:Pretty sure that cat5 hurricanes is the minimum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Over longer distances.

  37. Nice find by evil9000 · · Score: 1

    Thats a really well worded find. "Can" is soft-speak for 'we imagined really hard and after alot of debate, we might just mention this because our Sierra club membership requires us to buy into the scare".

    So, ignore all the real problems. Plastic in the oceans - gotcha. The birds wont have grand children, so we should be alarmed. Stop making drinks with ice cubes today and you'll be saving the planet tomorrow.

    What huberus. Why are these things posted when there is so much going on in the world that isnt to do with man made global cooling and eco-stasis.

  38. Birds give birth annually by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    At least some birds will find a way. Perhaps some breeds humans like won't make it but birds as a group won't be killed by it. No way to predict what form the selective pressure will push.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  39. Public program to educate birds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this an excellent opportunity to establish a publicly funded program to educate birds against the dangers of eating plastic?

  40. Before the birds eat plastics ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the human did that first

    What? You think we human beings are immune to the 'plastic eating' trend?

    The fresh meat we bought in supermarket are wrapped inside plastic, ditto some of the veges, the fruits, the grains

    And the cooking oils we use - also come inside plastic bottles

    Furthermore, the soft drink we drink - even those came in aluminium cans, are still in contact with a thin layer of plastic inside the can (to prevent the acid from the soft drink from direct contact with the aluminium of the can

    Even the pills we take, some of them are coated with plastic - http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-05-07/lifestyle/0220140024_1_enzymes-large-intestine-plastic-coating

    Fact is that most types of plastic leach, and when we consume the food, plastic particles goes into our bodies - questions like whether the plastic accumulates inside and absorbed by our body, with some of the polymeric chain wrecking havoc to our our enzyme / hormonal level, are still being debated

    Yes, we human beings are EATING PLASTICS , whether you realize it or not!

    1. Re:Before the birds eat plastics ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we human beings are EATING PLASTICS , whether you realize it or not!

      Don't worry. Plastic is fully organic.

  41. Is it plastics fault that birds are idiots? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with Darwin, fuckem!

  42. Re:not so much on the upside... by jandersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are right, of course. What amazes me is the fact that there are people in this forum who have modded your comment 'Funny'. Personally, I can't see anything funny in knowing that we as a society, because of our almost complete lack of concern for what crap we are spilling in the environment, cause millions of birds to die a slow, agonizing death. I challenge anybody - especially the idiots who think it is funny - to eat a couple of broken plastic spoons every day and tell me they enjoy the process of dying from pierced intestines.

    Apart from whether one should feel a normal level of empathy towards wildlife or not, it is actually a significant issue. It is scientifically well established that different parts of the environment are closely connected - we talk about food webs, for one thing. We know that taking out just one, significant part of the food web can have a dramatic effect on everything, sometimes in surprising ways; a common theme, though, is that when it happens, it introduces instability, and when it finally settles down again, it is a much lower levels than before and with much lower species diversity.

    Yet, we keep playing with these things, refusing to open our eyes and ears, like there was no tomorrow; I just hope we don't turn out to be right in that respect.

  43. Ahh, evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, evolution continues and we select for birds who are smart enough *not* to eat plastic. Problem solved.

    1. Re:Ahh, evolution by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      And stupid people keep on reproducing, thus proving Darwin wrong....

  44. this is propaganda at work by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...because their pronouncements are as carefully contrived as anything by Leni Reifenstahl. Granted, this is slashdot, so it could just be incompetent editing.

    Notice the summary starts with a categorical:
    "According to a new study almost every ocean-foraging species of birds may be eating plastic by 2050,,,"
    Salted with a nice big statistic:
    "..In the five large ocean areas known as "garbage patches," each square kilometer of surface water holds almost 600,000 pieces of debris. ..."
    Adds in a bit of fluffy FUD:
    "...For example, some types of plastics absorb and concentrate environmental pollutants, he notes. After ingestion, those chemicals can be released into the birdsâ(TM) digestive tracts, along with chemicals in the plastics that keep them soft and pliable..."
    And ends with a tragedy:
    "...Most birds have trouble passing large bits of plastic, and they build up in the stomach, sometimes taking up so much room that the birds canâ(TM)t consume enough food to stay healthy...."

    Except....these bits of information have very little to do with each other.
    Those terrifying "600,000" pieces? Most of them are 0.5mm or less. A significant portion aren't even visible. Those pieces of plastic are hardly choking seabirds to death.

    Look, BPA and other estrogenic compounds ARE an issue: for humans and for sea life. No doubt we need to work on that to get them out of the products we use and dispose of every day.
    We need to stop talking in propagandistic terms about the 'Garbage Patch'es - that implies there's this floating reef of garbage which is simply a well-motivated lie.

    Do I think it sucks that these particulates are in our food stream? Of course I do. But it's hard to imagine anything 7 billion use as ubiquitously as plastic NOT ending up in the environment. Histrionics and lies don't help the issue at all.

    --
    -Styopa
    1. Re:this is propaganda at work by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      It should also be noted from TFA that ~90% of birds have eaten plastic now.

      So what the article is really saying is that the number of birds eating plastic will have risen 10% in the next 35 years.

      Somehow I don't think that that's going to be that big a deal.

      Never mind that the "garbage patches" aren't places that most birds ever see, so the concentration of plastic there is irrelevant.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    2. Re:this is propaganda at work by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      "'Garbage Patch'es - that implies there's this floating reef of garbage which is simply a well-motivated lie."

      So you are saying there aren't floating reefs of garbage? Really? http://education.nationalgeogr...

      You really should do some research before posting. It will help make you look less like an ass-hole.

    3. Re:this is propaganda at work by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so should you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      "Despite its enormous size and density (4 particles per cubic meter), the patch is not visible from satellite photography, nor is it necessarily detectable to casual boaters or divers in the area, as it consists primarily of a small increase in suspended, often microscopic particles in the upper water column."

      4 PARTICLES per cubic meter.
      Often MICROSCOPIC.

      Thanks for completely proving my point about the pernicious impression given to casual readers that this is some sort of garbage reef. Clearly you were fooled.

      --
      -Styopa
    4. Re:this is propaganda at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should read what he said and read about the issue. This is NOT a "reef" of garbage but instead tiny particles. Further, the bird pictures are faked.

  45. Re:not so much on the upside... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Of Course there's an explanation.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

  46. Re: not so much on the upside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, where are the green cleanup crews? If you found this by a roadway, you would pick it up and dispose of it. Why not the same here. There are places that actually pay for the trash. They recycle it. And there are companies that take trash to the oceans to dump. Why are they not fined? But then again, I'm not near a waste disposal facility, therefore I can only question.

  47. And The Same Picture 10,000 Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just came across this picture yesterday, better than the one in the article:

    And the same picture 10,000 times makes idiots think isolated incidents are major wide spread issues deserving money.

    Nice.

  48. Eating plastic is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOOOOOOO! MOOOOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOOO! Moo say the cows. You cows!

  49. Paul Ehrlich, eh? by RJBeery · · Score: 1

    Let me ask you a sincere question, Beeftopia: does it even matter if Ehrlich's predictions have merit? Because they don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Paul Ehrlich, eh? by Beeftopia · · Score: 1

      I work in a technical field in a somewhat creative environment. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes I'm right. There are those who try to make it seem when someone's been wrong once they are wrong about everything. It's a debate tactic which I'm sure has a name, as it's not new. Don't fall prey to it.

      Just because someone is wrong once, doesn't mean they are wrong about everything, forever.

    2. Re:Paul Ehrlich, eh? by RJBeery · · Score: 1

      That's a fair response, and I agree. I just think that, specifically in Paul Ehrlich's case, he has a clear political agenda that he's pursuing using fear tactics. He didn't make a prediction, he made MANY of them, all Doomsday Catastrophic predictions about then End of Humanity...50 years ago! The guy is a joke. Sometime's it actually is appropriate to question the source.

  50. Congratulations!! by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    This sounds like great news, but I have to ask why we're focusing on feeding sea birds instead of people?

  51. How can they count a fractal accurately? by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    600,000 pieces, or 6,000 or 6,000,000, it would depend on the size at which you stopped counting them surely? The problem is a variation on the Coastline Paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... except they are counting bits of stuff that actually exist at many scales right down to the microscopic. I would have thought that the most meaningful measurement is kg of plastic per cubic meter of seawater in the range from the surface down to X meters. Because you know, Science!

  52. This is a huge lie, the garbage patch is invisible by Tighe_L · · Score: 1

    There is no photograph real of this pacific garbage patch, because according to the people claiming it to exist it is made from microscopic plastic particles. The article uses a photograph that is commonly associated with this "garbage patch" which is cannot be proven to exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... "The patch is characterized by exceptionally high relative concentrations of pelagic plastics, chemical sludge and other debris that have been trapped by the currents of the North Pacific Gyre.[2] Despite its enormous size and density (4 particles per cubic meter), the patch is not visible from satellite photography, nor is it necessarily detectable to casual boaters or divers in the area, as it consists primarily of a small increase in suspended, often microscopic particles in the upper water column." Yet whenever there is a new story about this garbage patch they use photos like this: http://wastelessthinking.com/w... from article http://wastelessthinking.com/y... This photo is from a river not the pacific ocean. We are being lied to.