Slashdot Mirror


Researchers Say S. African Bones Are From Previously Unknown Human Relative

Ancient, but so far undated, remains found in a South African cave (more than 1500 pieces of bone and teeth) have been declared by the team which discovered them to represent a previously unknown kind of human relative, which they have dubbed Homo naledi. New submitter chapman writes: The human-like bones discovered in the Rising Star cave, 50km from Johannesburg, may belong to a new species of "long-legged," "pinheaded," and "gangly" human relative. Apparently the chamber in the cave where the discovery was made is so inaccessible (only 8 inches wide) that the team brought in a group of lightly-built female researchers in order to excavate the bones. Science Mag, too, describes the find as well as the controversy about the unusual publicity surrounding the exploration. The Guardian's article notes that the identification of the bones as belonging to a new species is disputed by some anthropologists, who say that based on the evidence presented so far, the bones may simply be examples of the previouly named Homo erectus.

40 of 77 comments (clear)

  1. Prehistoric NBA player? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
    The description sounds like the predecessor to our present day NBA player!!

    :)

    --
    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    1. Re:Prehistoric NBA player? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know the topic of ethnic make-up of NBA players is a sensitive one

      Who mentioned anything about ethnic makeup of the NBA player?

      Based on the quote from the article:

      new species of "long-legged," "pinheaded," and "gangly" human relative

      This would apply to any tall, gangly player in the NBA, no matter what their race is......

      Geez, why does everyone rush to start playing or arguing the damned RACE card on any description of a human.

      The joke I was making was that ALL of the NBA players, by necessity of the sport, requires them to all be very tall, and gangly built (long legs, arms, etc).....

      Good Lord people, get off the PC train long enough to realize every comment on a human or group of humans is not based on racism. Try to laugh at a silly joke once in awhile maybe?

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    2. Re:Prehistoric NBA player? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      It's all that some people have.

    3. Re:Prehistoric NBA player? by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      As an NBA fan, I watch for player tendencies and patterns. There appears to be an "ethnic related" pattern regarding certain types of movements. I'm just reporting what I have observed. I agree my observations may somehow be flawed or biased due to some subconscious brain activity on my part or some kind of sampling error that escaped me, but I'm just raising the question to see if anybody else has opinions or data they can share on the topic. I did not intend to offend. Being a nerd, I'm just curious. Peace!

  2. I'm not saying it's an alien, but... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's an alien.

    1. Re:I'm not saying it's an alien, but... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      A sasquatch is an ancient alien.

    2. Re:I'm not saying it's an alien, but... by linear+a · · Score: 1

      Morlocks everywhere!

    3. Re:I'm not saying it's an alien, but... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      That's no alien, it's a battlestation.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
  3. Well, I'll Be.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A monkey's uncle...

    1. Re:Well, I'll Be.... by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that'd be great ^X grandnephew

      pinhead eh...hmmmm, maybe one of my boss' people

  4. new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by peter303 · · Score: 1

    The number of new species seems proportional to amount work done. We had a similar corundum in geological plate tectonics a couple decades ago. Nearly every new PhD thesis was discovering a new plate tectonic micro-plate. Finaly did what the planet astronomers did and divide them into significant ones and minor ones.

    1. Re:new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      We had a similar corundum in geological plate tectonics a couple decades ago.

      That must have been hard.

    2. Re:new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      What's interesting is that we don't even know all the land mammals yet. I mean, I can understand not cataloging every virus, bacterium, insect, plant, and ocean animal, but the fact that there are so many undocumented land mammals and amphibians kind of blows my mind. There's so much left to discover in this world.

      --

      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    3. Re:new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      +1 for wit

      --
      No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
    4. Re:new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      no, only the shittiest parts of both

    5. Re:new speciies = new dig or PhD thesis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Read the summary:

      Apparently the chamber in the cave where the discovery was made is so inaccessible (only 8 inches wide) that the team brought in a group of lightly-built female researchers in order to excavate the bones.

      Back in the day they sent the tallest gangliest guy in since no one else could both fit in and reach through some hole for something. Then he got trapped. Many years later people find his bones and once again send in a team of specially proportioned people. If they had gotten trapped, future generations would be calling them a new species.

  5. Really? by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see how a population whose skulls are literally half the size of a typical H. erectus skull (among many other major differences) could be seen as just another H. erectus. And not just one, potentially deformed individual, but 15 individuals with the same characteristics. And even if they were the same species, this would still be a remarkable find - so many full, intact bodies in the same location. In a weird location, and in a land far from where H. erectus was known to have lived.

    --
    You don't exist. Go away.
    1. Re:Really? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      From what I understand they found remains from a wide range of ages, everything from babies and infants to older adults. So it would have had to have been from a whole population of individuals spanning several generations with the same characteristics (or deformities if the are Homo erectus). Definitely lends credence to the theory that this find is of a new species. It would be interesting to know what time frame they are dated to, which could give an idea on if they are progenitors of humans or on a completely different branch.

      --
      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    2. Re:Really? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      They've also suggested that these specimens must have been specifically placed in the pile they were found, potentially over hundreds of years. They could represent individual weirdo's shunned and cast out. Birth or developmental defects rather than speciation. Imagine what a future archeologist would think if he came across a chamber where thalidomide babies (many of whom are now in their 50s) or hydrocephalic people were collected upon their death.

  6. Re: "Pinheads" by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Pinheads? They found this clan:

    http://static.rogerebert.com/u...

  7. Re:Martians? by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you talking about a particular incident or just in general? Martian meteorites are identified by the gas trapped within them, general isotopic ratios, and a number of other factors.

    --
    You don't exist. Go away.
  8. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    Carlton S. Coon has a less than stellar reputation among anthropologists and to cite his work as representative of the "facts" of anthropology is a disservice, to put it mildly. Hos views were used be segregationists to "prove" Blacks were inferior to whites. His original book on race deviated from the consensus reached by anthropologists (and the DNA evidence, among others) when he claimed that Whites were descended from Chimpanzees, Blacks from Gorillas, and Asians from the Orangutan. I don;t thoink you will be able to find any contemporary competent anthropologists who would make the kinds of claims you are making here supporting Coon, whose ideas have been thoroughly discredited in anthropological circles.

    --
    How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
  9. Re:Self promotion detector tingling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Er, this has been reviewed and published: http://elifesciences.org/

    If you page down in the Naledi article, you will see a transcript of the peer review.

    And no, I don't know why they didn't publish in NAture or Science, perhaps they aren't Apple users.

    Oddly, I was in this cave complex "Sterkfontein" just three weeks ago. The cave where this discovered is not on the toru path but damned well guarded.
    I am off to the Origins Centre at Wits University tomorrow to peek at the bones myself.

  10. Tell me more... by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 1

    What of these lightly-built female researchers? Scantily clad Lara Croft types? Mmmm?

    --
    (name withheld by request)
    1. Re:Tell me more... by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Lara Croft types wouldn't have fit through the 8" crevice.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    2. Re:Tell me more... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      There are two big reasons Lara Croft wouldn't fit through those crevices.

  11. Tolkien by Ugmo · · Score: 1

    Homo Florensis is the Hobbit.
    Now bones of oddly shaped humanoid creatures found piled in the bottom of a cave?

    A. Balin and his Dwarves in Moria.
    B. Gollum's leftover Orc bones in his original cave before Bilbo met him.

  12. "We just dug up some bones in the family plot..." by tlambert · · Score: 1

    "We just dug up some bones in the family plot..."

    "Was it uncle Frank?"

    "No, uncle Frank is buried in the North end..."

    "Was it uncle Sal?"

    "No, uncle Sal is in the South end. There wasn't supposed to be anyone buried in the west end..."

    "Are you sure it wasn't aunt Daisy's chimp?"

    "No, no, it's definitely a human..."

    "So you're saying... It's A Previously Unknown Human Relative?!?"

  13. Re:I've seen a lot of "conspiracy theory" vids by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    The ones on reptilian lizard people are really funny. Most conspiracy videos are Except for the ones with obviously mentally ill people. Those are kinda sad.

  14. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    There is no such thing as more or less evolved. There is no end goal to evolution.

  15. It looks like Gollum! by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    My precious!

    --
    Political correctness is really just herd psychology pushed by insecure people who desperately seek social conformity.
  16. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by Holi · · Score: 1

    "His views were used by segregationists". Worse he colluded with segregationists and actively aided them while ignoring his scientific objectivity.

    --
    Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  17. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by Holi · · Score: 2

    Then again we are responding to a racist troll.

    --
    Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
  18. I know who they are... by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

    Pinheaded? Must be Bennett's ancestors...

  19. I am disappoint by bmo · · Score: 1

    >pinheaded

    CTRL-F "zippy"

    0

    Yow.

    --
    BMO

  20. Re:Previously unknown? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Lois Piltdown.

    --
    Contribute to civilization: ari.aynrand.org/donate
  21. 8 inches by Kanasta · · Score: 1

    I'm more interested in knowing how any modern human squeezed through a 25cm and 20cm pathway to the cave. Wearing headlamps and helmets or not, unless they had contortionist scientists?

    1. Re:8 inches by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      that the team brought in a group of lightly-built female researchers

      And if you had bothered to RTFA you would have seen that whilst narrow the opening is relatively straight, and you can always push / pull your gear through, you don't HAVE to be wearing everything.

      --
      There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
  22. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by dryeo · · Score: 2

    The end goal of evolution is survival and the most evolved are those genes that are still around.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  23. Re:But... but... "We're all the same"! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Carlton S. Coon

    Pure comedy gold.

    --
    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it