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One Day After iOS 9's Launch, Ad Blockers Top Apple's App Store

HughPickens.com writes: Sarah Perez reports at TechCrunch that only one day after the release of Apple's newly released version of Apple's mobile operating system, iOS 9, ad blockers are topping the charts in the App Store and it seems that new iOS 9 users are thrilled to have access to this added functionality. The Top Paid iOS app is the new ad-blocker Peace, a $2.99 download from Instapaper founder Marco Arment. Peace currently supports a number of exclusive features that aren't found in other blockers yet. Most notably, it uses Ghostery's more robust blocklist, which Arment licensed from the larger company by offering them a percentage of the app's revenue. "I can't believe how many trackers are on popular sites," says Arment. "I can't believe how fast the web is without them." Other ad blockers are also topping the paid app chart as of today, including the Purify Blocker (#3), Crystal (#6), Blockr (#12). (Ranks as of the time of writing.) With the arrival of these apps, publishers and advertisers are fretting about the immediate impact to their bottom lines and business, which means they'll likely soon try to find ways to sneak around the blockers. In that case, it should be interesting to see which of the apps will be able to maintain their high degree of ad blocking over time.

It's no surprise that advertisers and publishers who make their money from advertising aren't exactly fans of blockers. What is surprising is that no one seemed to disagree with the argument that online ads have gotten out of control. "I think if we don't acknowledge that, we'd be fools," says Scott Cunningham, "So does that mean ad blockers are good or right? Absolutely not. Do we have an accountability and responsibility to address these things? Absolutely — and there's a lot that we're doing now." Harry Kargman agrees that in many cases, online ads have created "a bad consumer experience — from an annoyance perspective, a privacy perspective, a usability perspective." At the same time, Kargman says that as the industry works to solve these problems, it also needs to convince people that when you use an ad blocker, "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

241 comments

  1. They are the pirates by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're stealing my time, and electricity

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    1. Re:They are the pirates by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It isn't fucking stealing at all. The content provider is putting up the content without a paywall. That I choose not to load all the elements of that page is not stealing, so I utterly reject the underlying assertion.

      Quite frankly, if there is a Hell, then every marketer who has ever lived is either already getting Satan's trident up the ass, or should be preparing for an eternity of "sponsored rectal content".

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    2. Re:They are the pirates by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Maybe the OP was a bit ambiguous. I was talking about the industry rats who claim ad blockers are stealing.

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    3. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're no more "stealing" than you are. Dishonesty on their part does not justify dishonesty on yours.

    4. Re:They are the pirates by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You don't understand. If they're not making money while not producing anything of value, it means somebody must be stealing what is rightfully theirs.

    5. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly this, ads use my bandwidth, often most of the bandwidth when loading a site, along with my electricity to run on my computer and waste my time trying to mute or figure out how the hell to close them. Advertisers had the goose that laid the golden egg with much more targeted ads, with a largely captive audience and now have found a way to piss off consumers to the point where people are seeking out an extra program to block the adds because they have become such a pain in the ass.

      Here is a clue to advertisers, you did this to yourselves by being obnoxious assholes, and once you are obnoxious assholes, that is it, people are done with you. You will go the way of the telemarketer, the email spammer etc. If you don't like it tough shit, you should have been responsible, created a responsible advertising union and gone after unfair, obnoxious advertisers yourself, because once you poison the well of consumers, you are all shit out of luck. Netflix would die if they try to add advertisements, Hulu, after years of resistance, is offering an add free experience; I may actually start a premium service with them now, but for years they didn't get my business because I HATE TV ads, they are a waste of my life. My time and attention is valuable, to me as well as advertisers, and I am willing to pay a reasonable fee rather than be forced to look at advertisements.

      OTOH, I sometimes specifically go to youtube to check out movie trailers and game trailers or game/product reviews (this is a form of advertising). This is the future of advertising. I could give two shits about laundry detergent or toothpaste, I already have a brand I like, but for new purchases, I will often load a review video or go to Amazon and check out the reviews. The days of making a shit product and selling it with advertising are rapidly vanishing. I have been using ABP for years and will never stop, but if you make something I might buy, make it well and get youtubers to do some video reviews and get good reviews on Amazon by giving good customer service when your product fails (everything has a non-zero failure rate) and odds are good that I will buy your product.

    6. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly! By using ad blockers we are not stealing from publishers or advertisers, we are stopping them from stealing from us! I paid for my computer and my internet access, and they are stealing from me by their out of control ads, and trying to track me!! Stealing the bandwidth and connection speed that I paid for with their ads that I do not want to see, My time and attention are too valuable to let the evil corporations steal them for their own profit, and my loss!

      Also, ad servers have become an attack vector for viruses and malware, so blocking ads is also protecting ourselves from those attacks. No matter what warped view the advertisers and publishers spew, using ad blockers is not wrong nor immoral in any way! Using ad blockers is one way of protecting ourselves from not only viruses and malware, but from the evil intentions of the publishers and advertisers. And that their intentions are evil is not in question, it has been proven many times over!!

    7. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your trolling elsewhere, you damn moron!

    8. Re:They are the pirates by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Add bandwidth, attention, and enjoyment to that list too.

      And what their analogy fails to capture is that when it comes to CDs, movies, fruit, toys, or anything else they want to compare it against, there's a simple, well-established relationship between consumers and producers: stuff gets produced -> a price is agreed on -> price gets paid -> stuff gets consumed. Not so with web pages, since the reader pays for the goods (e.g. allows cookies to be set, allows tracking scripts to run, sends information about themselves, has their information sold to third-parties, etc.) before they've had a chance to find out what the price is or see what the goods are.

      Marco Arment suggested that the practice was akin to a restaurant charging its patrons for food they looked over in the menu, before they had even ordered, and I'm inclined to agree. What ability do I have to say, "no, your product is not worth the price you're asking" if the tracking cookies and scripts are immediately placed and executed upon my arrival? Where are sites spelling out the price that visitors pay in a place that visitors can see before they pay (and no, burying it in fine print on page 26 of a privacy policy does not count)? Where do they get off thinking that a contract of adhesion has any sort of enforceability when they never even offered me a chance to take it or leave it? Moreover, where even in those contracts do they state that I'm required to make my information available to them or to consume everything that they're making freely available? I eat around inedible food that restaurants serve me (e.g. burnt edges), so why wouldn't I
      "eat around" non-content data that's served up, such as tracking scripts?

      I don't tear the ads out of the local newspapers I read that are given away for free (I also don't have to worry about them tracking me or compiling data on me that they'll sell to the highest bidders), but should I choose to do so, I would be well within my legal rights, since the item was made freely available for me to read as I want. So it is with sites published online. And because they are engaging in tracking and other practices with which I do not agree, and because they are not forthcoming with the details regarding how my data will be used, and because they've provided me with no means for working it out with them, and because I am within my legal rights to refuse to accept or provide data to them, I have absolutely no problem stripping tracking content and ads from those pages.

      All of which is to say, publishers engaging in these practices: stop treating the people you need like your enemy and find a business model that aligns our interests. Otherwise you'll go the way of every other dinosaur company that failed to adapt.

    9. Re:They are the pirates by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      an eternity of "sponsored rectal content".

      This comment probably would have been a better parent for my analogy.

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    10. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or at least the marketers that believe blocking ads is stealing.

    11. Re:They are the pirates by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      If you don't allow us to invade and loot data from your computer, you're a pirate!

      How about no. If you're not taking personal responsibility for malware in your ads, including the cost to clear infected computers and compensate for lost data, you have no right to complain if we take security precautions in the form of blocking this attack vector.

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    12. Re:They are the pirates by exomondo · · Score: 2

      I can't believe yet another industry produces a shit experience for their customer and then when the customer rectifies that shitty experience they are demonized as thieves. Didn't they learn anything from the music industry?

    13. Re:They are the pirates by shubus · · Score: 1

      Kargman should be paying for our bandwidth if we're forced to endure his ads. And while I'm at it, Microsoft should be paying for my bandwidth when it downloaded that UNWANTED Win10 module into my Win7 machine. Not everyone has unlimited bandwidth, you know.

    14. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Trolling" does not mean "saying things I don't want to hear", you lying subhuman.

    15. Re:They are the pirates by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies.

      They're stealing my time, and electricity

      The funny thing is, neither is stealing! One is a court upheld right to, in the case of third party ads, decline to interact with companies/services as well as to do what you will with documents on your system. The other is the cost of interacting with a program/service you voluntarily engaged with, not stealing of time/electricity.

    16. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Look up Harry Kargman's bio
      > every fucking time
      > every fucking time /pol/ is right

    17. Re:They are the pirates by ruir · · Score: 1

      Managing the health of my system, speed of my experience, the inconvenience of ads is not stealing or dishonesty afaik. The adverts are severely gotten out of hand. I would not mind a non-intrusive line, now forcing us to watch video clips or huge images is not kosher. This is not a fucking TV.

    18. Re:They are the pirates by ruir · · Score: 1

      If I decline to interact with the music industry, then borrowing their musics is not "stealing" or "pirating" also I guess. To be fair, we have to apply the same logic everywhere...

    19. Re:They are the pirates by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Nothing worse than video-based ads chugging down what little monthly bandwidth I get on my phone. Thank god for F-Droid and Adaway.

    20. Re:They are the pirates by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      If I decline to interact with the music industry, then borrowing their musics is not "stealing" or "pirating" also I guess. To be fair, we have to apply the same logic everywhere...

      By stealing/pirating/etc their music you are interacting with the producers of the music because you're using the product they released. You are not interacting with the 3rd party advertisers they may hire for whatever.

    21. Re:They are the pirates by tepples · · Score: 1

      It's hard to "decline to interact with the music industry" when grocery stores play major-label music over their PA systems when an announcement isn't being made.

    22. Re:They are the pirates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't fucking stealing at all. The content provider is putting up the content without a paywall. That I choose not to load all the elements of that page is not stealing, so I utterly reject the underlying assertion.

      Quite frankly, if there is a Hell, then every marketer who has ever lived is either already getting Satan's trident up the ass, or should be preparing for an eternity of "sponsored rectal content".

      I really hope you've heard Bill Hicks' stand up regarding advertisers, I suspect you'd love it (and am surprised no one has linked it yet): it's all over youtube, "If you're in marketing, kill yourself"

  2. "That's stealing..." No it isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they want to claim that as stealing then they should pay us for the bandwidth THEY are stealing.

    1. Re:"That's stealing..." No it isn't. by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They obviously don't know how HTTP works. I issue a command on my computer that connects to their server. They voluntarily send me back some data and tell me what kind it is, so I can make a decision about what to do with it (i.e. render as a web site, interpret/run JS code, show it as plain text a la "view source", save the bytes to my hard drive, 3D-print the bytes as chew toys for my dog, etc.).

      If you want to require my usage of the data that your server freely gives away to be constrained, then I need to sign a contract of some kind. Or you need to not send the data. But failing those options, what I do with data that you push to me is is my decision and not yours... if that means I selectively do not render your ads, then so be it.

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    2. Re:"That's stealing..." No it isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bandwidth is part of your payment for using the site.

    3. Re:"That's stealing..." No it isn't. by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      Forget about the bandwidth, what about the malware? How about "serving up malware laden ads is the same as handing out my bank account number to strangers"?

      The comparison to piracy is interesting. Piracy forced the music and movie industries to change massively (sure, they're still not great, but we'd still be buying discs if Napster hadn't happened). I guess what he's saying is "use ad blockers until we're forced to change".

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    4. Re:"That's stealing..." No it isn't. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's bullshit. I am visiting the site to see their updates for the day, I am not visiting the site for them to shove a crapload of ads at me. I expect it to return in less than a second as there are no pictures involved, it's a text only blog. Instead it takes many seconds, the loading button keeps circling and circling.

      Compare to newspapers. They have ads, great. However the front page I can read immediately and see 90% of it is news of some sort. I don't wait for ads to load, I don't have to throw away half the paper before I can find the first headline. But on the web, even if I am a paid subscriber, I have to deal with advertising malware. Yes I call it malware because it is slowing my computer down more than any virus ever did.

      If the owner of the site complains and says "wah, I can't make any money if you don't see ads before reading my daily whine" then I will not visit that site again. Problem solved. If a site is polite with actual news and is not inundated with obnoxious animated ads or ads unrelated to the site, then sometimes I will unblock it.

      The internet was built without advertising.

    5. Re:"That's stealing..." No it isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be down for that! Maybe even set up a farm of computers to gleefully accept content!

      Perhaps some tips could be gleaned from bitcoin farms...

  3. Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the main page! It's sad how slow and bloated /. has become.

    1. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I counted 19, yes you're correct. The vast majority of bandwidth used when viewing this is just waste.

    2. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. crashes my browser pretty of so I don't come here often any longer. The nearly two dozen ads on the main page is just ridiculous.

    3. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by fisted · · Score: 4, Informative

      Huh? I count zero. Oh, maybe it's because of the ad blocker.....

    4. Re:Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by issicus · · Score: 1

      "What is surprising is that no one seemed to disagree with the argument that online ads have gotten out of control" slashdot disagrees.

    5. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe GP & OP are on iPhones and just now finding out what an AdBlocker is.

    6. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I recently had to use the mobile version of /. for whatever reason...

      By the FSM's Noodly Appendage, the site was unusable!!! And apparently the mobile site also ignores the "block advertising" check box.

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    7. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Firefox + Adblock -- I see no ads

    8. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      What part of "mobile site" (I was on my iPhone) did you not understand?

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    9. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The part where you left out that you were using an iPhone.

    10. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What part of "mobile site" (I was on my iPhone) did you not understand?

      Well, how was GP supposed to know that it was a FApple? Firefox and Ad-Blocker on Android work just fine...mind you, the Slashdot mobile site design is somewhat clunky, but you can't fix that with a browser, unfortunately.

    11. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of "using adblock" did you miss? I haven't seen an ad on the mobile site yet.

    12. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by fisted · · Score: 1

      I'm curious whether you pass the Sally-Anne Test
      Mind giving it a shot?

    13. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pale Moon + uBlock Origin = I see no ads better.

    14. Re: Ironic coming from ./ since there's 16 ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She'll look in the box, because she knows that Anne saw her put the ball in the basket and Anne is a stealing bitch.

  4. I was onboard until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last three sentences. Good grief.

    1. Re:I was onboard until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Advertising does not belong on the internet. Commercial can go away and let the community flow again.

      People make their own networks like LANs and community wireless neworks. Time to put up the antennas and Throw ethernet cables over the fence.

  5. Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Crystal offered their product for free for literally less than a day but I snapped it up in time.

    Holy shit. It's like the first time you discovered adblock+ on your desktop. Suddenly surfing is fast and, well, useful.

    Fucking advertisers are especially aggressive on mobile because they know their audience is captive and less skilled. If, as a species, we spent half as much time as it took to research how to make predictive ad slide right the fuck under your thumb before you tap the screen in to medical research we'd have cured fucking cancer by now. (I'm looking right the fuck at you slashdot on mobile. In-line adds for fermium shitware skinnerbox games and hovering banners? Fuck this place has fallen since the 90s)

    This is a real coup for apple. Think you'll ever see operating system supported ad blockers on the play store? Fat fucking chance!

    1. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that, when web surfing on my iPhone, I have both limited GUI space and an imprecise pointing instrument, so it's often hard to avoid triggering some stupid ad by accident, and some of them are sticky to the point where I wind up just closing the browser window.

      I'm really not against ads, and I don't really like using an ad blocker. That said, I just installed one on my main browsing machine and am very interested in this new iOS capability. I can't take it any more.

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    2. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I'm really not against ads, and I don't really like using an ad blocker...

      Those of us who do actively use and love ad-blockers appreciate you volunteering and taking one for the team!

    3. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Tried to download, but there is no love for the iPhone 5...

    4. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The feature requires a 64 bit processor, so 5s and up.

    5. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been running adblock system wide on my Android for a long time. No ads, anywhere. Just gotta step outside of the play store.

    6. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Crystal offered their product for free for literally less than a day but I snapped it up in time.

      Holy shit. It's like the first time you discovered adblock+ on your desktop. Suddenly surfing is fast and, well, useful.

      Fucking advertisers are especially aggressive on mobile because they know their audience is captive and less skilled. If, as a species, we spent half as much time as it took to research how to make predictive ad slide right the fuck under your thumb before you tap the screen in to medical research we'd have cured fucking cancer by now. (I'm looking right the fuck at you slashdot on mobile. In-line adds for fermium shitware skinnerbox games and hovering banners? Fuck this place has fallen since the 90s)

      This is a real coup for apple. Think you'll ever see operating system supported ad blockers on the play store? Fat fucking chance!

      There are adblockers on Play. There are also addblocker add-ins for browsers (for example Firefox w/adblock+ which is what I use) that are on Play.

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    7. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This seems to be a new trend for apps. Go free for a day or so, get in a load of good reviews from early adopters and get pushed up the search rankings or on to the front page of the app store. Free apps with ads tend to rank lower down than your revenue-free one.

      Then slap a price tag on it, hoping to cash in on the good publicity and ranking.

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    8. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by samwichse · · Score: 1

      I use Adblock Browser on Android.

      It's right there in the Play Store.

    9. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.soylentnews.org if you want something that looks (and discussion-wise, reads) like pre-2010 Slashdot. They are the official maintainers of Slashcode now, with useful features like HTTPS by default, Unicode, and no Javascript required to use the site.

      Even did an interview with one of the original Slashdot founders a couple of months back. But yeah, Dicedot is fucked.

    10. Re:Not surprised. Was my first download too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but Apple fans, it hasn't been invented until Apple does it

  6. Advertisers have to realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm NOT buying your product because you advertised it. I'm buying it because a friend told me it was good.

    By blocking your ads, I'm freeing myself from the annoyance of advertisements that I'm going to completely ignore anyway, and I'm recovering both bandwidth and electricity that YOU are stealing from me, because the application developer whose app I am using decided their app wasn't good enough to be a pay app, and decided instead to steal from me to get money from you (the advertiser).

    You have to realize that you are spending your advertising dollars on very ineffective advertising. Worse, you are directly harming your brand by advertising in such a negative, intrusive, and annoying way.

    1. Re:Advertisers have to realize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'm recovering both bandwidth and electricity that YOU are stealing from me

      And it gives me free time and disposable income that I can spend buying your stuff. I'm just removing the bullet in their foot. Really, they should pay me to block their ads.

    2. Re:Advertisers have to realize... by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Instead of spamming everyone with advertising, the money would be better spent giving free subscriptions or products to a few people so they can tell their friends about how great the thing is. The financial expense of the freebies would almost certainly be less than the cost of advertising that makes everyone hate your company for advertising at them forcefully and their product would grow through a grassroots process that can't be matched no matter how many dollars they throw at the marketing problem. Of course this won't work for big-ticket item companies like auto makers, but for companies larger than "small business" with an offering that would be very attractive to the general public it is a very viable and indeed a damned smart marketing tactic.

  7. Stealing? by chilenexus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's stealing the same way that using the restroom when a TV show has a commercial break is stealing. Can they really blame people for defending themselves when they are constantly barraged with out-of-control ads that track users, install malware, block the actual content, and play difficult-to-stop audio that's not related to the actual content? I see them as no different than if the ads played before movies started showing up on the side walls of the theater while the movie is playing, and sometimes in the middle of the screen while the movie is still playing. And they send people into the theater to try and pick your pocket and leave ads in place of your wallet. Sure, the theater would make a good living taking money from those people for being allowed in - but they will still be driven out of business if all the customers stop showing up because of it.

    1. Re:Stealing? by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      I see them as no different than if the ads played before movies started showing up on the side walls of the theater while the movie is playing, and sometimes in the middle of the screen while the movie is still playing.

      Seriously? Are people so complacent that they don't even recognize product placement in movies when they see it any more? Go watch Repoman, and you'll see what a shock it is to NOT have product placement.

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    2. Re:Stealing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? They clearly advertise "Beer" in that movie.

    3. Re:Stealing? by ruir · · Score: 1

      When I have a commercial break, I do not use the bathroom, I just mute it, glaze over, or stop entirely seeing the show, and go to bed.

    4. Re:Stealing? by samwichse · · Score: 1

      I would just like to point out that one of the big CableCo execs a few years back suggested that yes, going to the bathroom during commercials is stealing (but they have "tolerance" for that, thanks guys).

      https://www.eff.org/effector/1...

    5. Re:Stealing? by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      What about the huge pine tree air freshener market? That thing was center stage for the whole movie. The only things that came closer was the Chevy Malibu and Pepsi.

    6. Re:Stealing? by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      Product placement is usually done in an unintrusive manner - they don't have the characters go off on wild tangents extolling the virtues of the product. Ads aren't bad because they're ads, they're bad when they get in the way of what you're trying to do, and do things that are harmful.

  8. If ad blocking is "stealing"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If ad blocking is considered "stealing" then most of these "ads" should be considered "hacking" and ad companies and executives, especially the ones that end up serving exploits, should be prosecuted just as aggressively as Aaron Swartz and others.

    1. Re:If ad blocking is "stealing"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IF they were paying me to watch the ad, and I failed to watch the ad but took the money, THEN it would be stealing.

      As it is, I don't owe those greedy motherfuckers eyeball number one.

    2. Re:If ad blocking is "stealing"... by dwywit · · Score: 1

      I don't know a great deal about HTML and the way it's used to communicate and render web pages, and fetch 2nd and 3rd party content - ads - but is it possible to insert a URL in the user string or a similar packet of data sent to the web server, said URL containing MY contract for serving data to MY computer? e.g. along the lines of THEIR conditions that if I want to view their website, then I agree to accept cookies, etc - something like: "by responding to my browser's request to fetch and render your content, you agree that I have free choice to render none, some, or all of that content."

      Or something like that. Website owners have long felt free to place (largely unenforceable) conditions on the use of their websites, I can damn well place conditions on what data I want sent to my machine.

      Suck it up, advertisers and marketers. It's MY machine, and you don't have the right to determine what I choose to do with it.

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    3. Re:If ad blocking is "stealing"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it possible to insert a URL in the user string or a similar packet of data sent to the web server, said URL containing MY contract for serving data to MY computer? e.g. along the lines of THEIR conditions that if I want to view their website, then I agree to accept cookies, etc - something like: "by responding to my browser's request to fetch and render your content, you agree that I have free choice to render none, some, or all of that content."

      That's already an implicit function of Hypertext Transport Protocol (HTTP), and is by design.

      You make an HTTP request to the server for a specific resource. (A URL is a Uniform Resource Location/Locator, and theoretically provides a unique identification for a given resource location, but does not directly identify the resource itself.) The server receives the request and responds by sending back the content of the resource. It can also send back cookies, which are a special header that can be used to provide context for future requests by tying them back to this request.

      HTTP does not specify what any user agent (the software making the request) must do with the response content. Some basic assumptions can be made for various types of content, such as HTML documents being rendered in a web browser or MP3 documents being interpreted as sound files by an audio player. But there's no guarantee of functionality on the client side. There's nothing to prevent the client from running your HTML through a parser and "scraping" data from it. There's nothing preventing the client from simply storing a copy of every public file on your site, requesting them one at a time and storing them directly to its disk.

      Anyone who doesn't understand this, doesn't understand the web. This is simply how HTTP works, and anybody that doesn't like it can either get over it or get off the web entirely.

  9. If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slouch by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm still not sure how they convinced sharing music where no one loses is stealing, but some people think it is stealing even though the distribution costs are basically 0. Anyway, if they can pull another fast one and convince people that not watching ads is stealing, they'll want to go the extra mile,"If you watch your content without buying stuff our sponsors promote, you're basically stealing free content.". Don't buy into their mind poison.

  10. Huh? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

    How the heck is decreasing your bandwith by selectively not downloading ads the same as transcoding a music CD you own or copyright infringing a movie from https://kat.cr/ ?

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By "no different", they mean
      isStealing(blockingAds) == isStealing(rippingMusic) && isStealing(blockingAds) == isStealing(piratingMovies)

      not
      blockingAds == rippingMusic && blockingAds == piratingMovies

    2. Re:Huh? by bledri · · Score: 1

      "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

      How the heck is decreasing your bandwith by selectively not downloading ads the same as transcoding a music CD you own or copyright infringing a movie from https://kat.cr/ ?

      Because the ads presumably pay for all the infrastructure. The publishers are mad because they need to pay for bandwidth and whatever staff it takes to generate content. The ad companies are made because they don't get their clicks. I feel for the publishers, I want quality content. The ad companies can go pound sand, they are middlemen that are part of a bad solution to a real problem (how to fund worthwhile, but largely "drive by," content.)

      I have no idea how this will play out. Paywalls don't really work for the distributed reality we live in. No one is going to subscribe to every paper and blog. But ads suck when they try hard to get people's attention. Hopefully someone clever will find a better way.

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    3. Re:Huh? by sl149q · · Score: 1

      The ads pay for *their* (the publishers) infrastructure.

      The ads do NOT pay for the consumers infrastructure. I get a bill from my CableCo and WirelessCo every month that convinces me that I'm the one paying the full tariff for EVERY downloaded bit/byte of data.

      I could care less if the publishers can or can't pay for theirs. Find a business model that works. Forcing me to subsidize my local CableCo and WirelessCo is not the way. If I seriously want your content then I'll find a way to help fund it. Mostly sending me scholcky ads is not working.

    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you care at least a little if the publishers can or can't pay for their infrastructure, why are you so harsh with them?

    5. Re:Huh? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      I loved that line. It shows the problem in a nutshell: They compared ad blockers to stealing, and then gave two examples of things a large portion of the public isn't convinced is stealing.

      So, yes, it's exactly like it. It's something you need to convince us is stealing, if you want us to act in the way you want us to. In fact, just like in those two cases, your best solution is to change your own actions to help us get what we want, so we can accept your solution.

      I currently run adblockers solely because without them my computer was painfully slow to browse the web. The difference in many pages cases for me was in the order of a minute or more per page. Fix that problem, and I might reconsider. (Might. Because, after all, at this point the easiest thing to do is to leave the adblocker on...)

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    6. Re:Huh? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since I want people to keep publishing stuff I like, I do care if the publishers have a viable business model. I don't know of any other viable model. People have talked about micropayments all millennium (so far, anyway), and I haven't seen a good implementation yet. Except in a few cases, I don't go anywhere behind a paywall. I'm open to suggestions.

      In the meantime, the advertisers have driven me to Adblock Plus, because I can't take it any more.

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  11. why don't they move to a pay wall by BLToday · · Score: 1

    If companies complain about ad-blocking, they should move to a pay wall. Let's see how that works out for them.

  12. Theft? Are they paying my mobile bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in the states, mobile bills mostly charge by the GB. The countless ads consume vast bandwidth, especially ones with video. F them and their free riding on MY dime!

  13. Drug-Resistant Pests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like all pathogenic vermin, advertisers will gradually become resistant to the drugs we use to treat ad infections.

    1. Re:Drug-Resistant Pests by Doub · · Score: 1

      Vermins have billions of rolls in the evolution game, while we only have a few pharma researchers. For ads the odds are in our favour, us billions of freeloaders against the few ad companies.

  14. Theft allright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm paying for bandwidth and adds force me to spend money to watch them.

    I know who the thieves are ....

    1. Re:Theft allright by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yup and unsolicited transmissions over mediums which incur a transmission cost for the recipient are illegal in the US, thanks to fax spammers. The loophole used by internet advertisers is that your browser, acting on your behalf, did solicit the content. The loophole used by we end users is that we can stop our browsers from doing so; and not requesting content will never be illegal.

      Did they seriously compare not making a "legitimate" copy of their ad to making an illicit copy of a movie, as though they were the same thing?

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  15. Publishers need to be responsible by sl149q · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is that publishers don't see the cost of delivery of their advertising. Like email spam there is little to no cost to throw in a few more lines of JavaScript to pull another ad from another ad delivery service.

    But the consumers do see the cost. Download costs (especially for mobile) for the extra data. Longer time to load. Harder to read with ad's cluttering the page. Etc etc.

    At the very least if this pushes publishers to convert 2nd and 3rd party ads to first party by (minimally proxying or caching) the delivery through their own site it will provide them with a better idea of the cost.

    Moving more content to first party delivery allows protocols like SPDY to shine and optimize delivery. Faster and less bits (through compression.)
    The message to publishers is take control of the data you want people to look at. Deliver it yourself.

    The message to advertisers is to develop alternate mechanisms to ensure your ads are being delivered through first party sites. Ad blocking of crappy delivery mechanisms means that your choice is no ads or delivery as a first party ad.

    1. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With so much malware being pushed from shady advertising sources your crazy not to block them...

      Running without a ad blocker is more akin to walking around with a open wound in a infectious area than stealing music ect...

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    2. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Running without a ad blocker is more akin to walking around with a open wound in a infectious area

      I read an article a while ago about some scientist who decided that he wanted to go around investigating a certain species of leech that lives inside a hippo's butt, like attached directly to the colon. He suggested that, as big as the hippo is, it probably wasn't really all that aware that the leeches are even in its butt, but that's where the leech likes to be because there's a good source of blood there for the leech to feed on.

      Now, the scientist is probably right, the hippo probably goes its whole life not really knowing that it has all these leeches in its butt. It might feel a little pain in the butt, but the hippo probably isn't concerned with why that pain is there, much less how or even if it can get rid of it, it's just something that the hippo has always lived with. The hippo accepts that one of the facts of daily life is that you just need to live with some pain in your butt.

      Now, imagine (and believe me, this is a hypothetical), if the hippo let someone root around inside its butt and remove every one of the leeches, and even stop any others from attaching. It might take a day or two to get used to and get back to normal, but the hippo would wake up one day and realize that it no longer has a pain in its butt. It can still do everything it used to do, it can frolic in the water, it can roam around and find the tender little pieces of grass, it can do that thing where it poops and swishes its tail around to spread it all over its neighbors, and it realizes that it can do all of those things it likes without having that pain in its butt.

      Now, maybe the leeches could talk. Maybe the leeches talk to the hippos and they say things like, listen, hippo, my life cycle depends on you letting me get into your butt when you're in the water. I need to drink your blood and drop out some eggs, so that other leeches can be born and start the cycle all over again. It's not really a big price you pay, I mean sure, there's a little pain in your butt, but I need you to do this. If you want to get in the water, it's just something you have to deal with. It's the price of admission. If you get in the water without letting me in your butt, it's like you're stealing the water.

      I bet that the hippo would hear that, and would still want to continue going about its day without any pain in its butt. I don't think the hippo would feel very sorry for the butt leech. Sure, maybe the butt leech contributes to the aquatic ecosystem, maybe its eggs or the dead leeches get eaten by other things and fertilize the grass that the hippo likes to eat. But, if the leeches weren't there, the grass would just find other nutrients. Even though the leech is trying to argue that it's a necessary part of this ecosystem, it's actually just a pain in the butt. In reality, despite what it tells everyone else, the major beneficiary of anything that the butt leech does is the actual butt leech.

      Anyway, I just had a thought that advertisers kind of sound like hippo butt leeches.

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    3. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by sl149q · · Score: 1

      I'm also waiting to see how long it takes for somebody to do a good mod_GA for Apache that uses Googles Measurement Protocol (https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/protocol/v1/?hl=en) so that sites don't loose Google Analytics for people that block it.

      In theory it should be possible for Apache to collect as much interesting data as is required and forward that to Google Analytics without the end users web browser being involved at all. And more efficiently done as the web server can do bulk submission.

      So don't believe the BS that we'll loose our analytics as well.

    4. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by zieroh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You win the internets today, sir.

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    5. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I don't get in the era of these automatically-playing video ads, slide-in ads, pop-up, or overlay ads: the cost in CPU, battery, and wasted time. Give me back the days of an ordinary bit of plain HTML text at the top of the page or even an ordinary imagemap banner at the top or side that I have to click if I'm interested. I want it plain, without layer upon layer upon layer of cookies, tracking through several levels of advertising affiliates, and all that other crap.

      I don't mind ads to help pay for a site. I do mind the in-your-face, CPU-hogging, and almost browser-crashing pieces of badly-formatted, buggy, ugly SHIT that get passed off as acceptable code for ads these days. I've seen ads that so mess up the formatting of the text of articles that the content I'm looking for is a long column of text a dozen characters wide, or the text gets shoved pages down below the ads and actually shifts as you try to scroll to it. Completely broken. So, rather than treating ad-blockers as something to circumvent, fix the damned problems with them. Stop being assholes with my CPU and battery life, and your ad can stay. Serve up junk, and I have no sympathy at all. Make it too difficult for me to discriminate between the two extremes and I'll just block all of it.

      And that doesn't even touch on the security flaws and malware delivery. Advertisers are seeing years of bad practices coming home to roost. They should fix it properly or they should accept their fate.

    6. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wanted to come here and make some snarky 1 liner about how advertisers are useless parasites on the internet ecosystem. This is far far better. Too bad we can't mod you to +11.

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    7. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Morgon · · Score: 1

      Not everything. Apache itself couldn't query the user's effective browser/screen size, for instance, which can help during redesigns. The UA string only goes so far.

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    8. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From now on I am going to refer to advertisers as hippo butt leeches.

    9. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by glitch! · · Score: 2

      Excellent post, sir! I thank you for your insightful analogy. It is a rare event, but yours goes to eleven.

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    10. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I wanted to come here and make some snarky 1 liner about how advertisers are useless parasites on the internet ecosystem. This is far far better. Too bad we can't mod you to +11.

      A Pennsylvania Housewife discovered a secret that has Slashdot editors confounded!

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    11. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      Permission to copy this post to any and every future topic on the issue with full credit? lol

    12. Re: Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "With so much malware being pushed from shady advertising sources your crazy not to block them...
      Running without a ad blocker is more akin to walking around with a open wound in a infectious area than stealing music ect..."

      Which is why you only block scripts but allow all image ads through your adblocker, right?

    13. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Hear that browser developers? We need more information stuffed into the UA. If you could see to that feature that'd be great!

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    14. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      If your browser doesn't contact GA directly, GA can't drop the cookie that will help analytics be more precise. It also doesn't have any code running in your browser - hence less data to collect.

      Don't get me wrong, we're not losing analytics, but we'll be far less fine-grained.

      And I think we'll all be better off this way.

    15. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is probably the first post in Slashdot history that deserves a Score of 6.

    16. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Interesting, Insightful, Funny, and one of the finest analogies I have ever read.

      I think you even covered Troll and Flamebait from the leeches perspective......

      Well done indeed!

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    17. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read an article a while ago about some scientist...

      Citation?

    18. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by ruir · · Score: 1

      The article he mentions is maybe at most two or three weeks old. Google it. Anyway, having the citation does not add nothing of value to the joke.

    19. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The only flaw in an otherwise great analogy is that without the leeches the nature of the water changes a lot.

      Some people view that as a good thing. They long for the old days when the internet was mostly personal sites. A lot of people like the commercial, ad funded services though. I mean, we are both posting on Slashdot, probably because we are bored at work. Without any ad revenue could a site like this exist? Soylent News is currently failing to raise a mere $2000 from users to cover its costs. I used to subscribe to Slashdot, but the MRA take-over stopped me renewing lately.

      Perhaps we can extend your analogy. As well as leeches that cause anal discomfort, there are other animals that live symbiotically with the hippo. Bacteria, for example. They don't cause discomfort, and even provide some benefit. The water will be fine as long as they are around, but if someone dumps antibiotics into the lake to kill off the leeches they will end up killing of the bacteria and killing the whole ecosystem.

      We need some responsible, safe advertising I think. The problem is it's hard to allow it when adblocking rules are necessarily broad to keep out the malware, animated GIFs and tracking cookies.

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    20. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Aside from blocking ads (by whole servers, blacklists of URLs and whatever) browsers need options to simply completely turn off certain behaviors.

      I never want my entire browser (or screen) faded out and one object put out front to "sign up" or look at an ad. I don't want my browser to even be able to understand how to do that.

    21. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without any ad revenue could a site like this exist?

      Yes, certainly. The computers you can buy for the price of a few beers these days are far more powerful than the computer which first ran Slashdot. Bandwidth is dirt cheap, so not a problem either. People have completely distorted views on what it takes, technology-wise, to run a web site, even a very popular one. Any small business where the budget for the servers and the network connection running the web site is not dwarfed by a print ad in the local newspaper is doing it wrong. In big businesses, the money for stolen office supplies is probably more than it takes to keep the web site online. It won't be long before you can run a popular forum on a smartphone and nobody will notice anything odd until: "I'm sorry the forum was offline yesterday, folks, I forgot to charge my phone."

    22. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo!

    23. Re:Publishers need to be responsible by Squatting_Dog · · Score: 1

      Excellent! This is the most accurate analogy I think I have ever read! Thank you!

  16. What are advertisers thinking? by sbaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) They advertise to me.
    2) I dislike their adverts sufficiently that I'm prepared to spend actual money to stop seeing them.
    3) So they try very hard to force me to see their adverts anyway.
    4) ....with the intention that after they've forced me to see something I definitely said that I didn't want to see - that somehow I'll want to buy their product?

    Did I get that right?

    They send me crap that I've very explicitly opted out of by installing an ad blocker...and they think that'll make me want to buy their stuff?

    OK - I don't get it. I really don't.

        -- Steve

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    1. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by gnupun · · Score: 2

      2) I dislike their adverts sufficiently that I'm prepared to spend actual money to stop seeing them.

      Which results in lowered income for ad-driven apps, which means your free/app website won't be available anymore because the developer can't pay his bills to keep a roof over his head. Are consumers incapable of seeing beyond their own myopic, selfish needs or portraying themselves as the victims?

    2. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      2) I dislike their adverts sufficiently that I'm prepared to spend actual money to stop seeing them.

      Which results in lowered income for ad-driven apps

      Anyone selling ad impressions is a scammer, and deserves nothing. If they're selling click-throughs, then using my ad blocker is actually saving them money, because I am not clicking through.

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    3. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Which results in lowered income for ad-driven apps, which means your free/app website won't be available anymore because the developer can't pay his bills to keep a roof over his head. Are consumers incapable of seeing beyond their own myopic, selfish needs or portraying themselves as the victims?"

      Tough Titty. The World does not owe Bad Programmers and Worse Marketers a living, no matter how much they think it does.
      Streets have potholes, beaches are littered with plastic crap, lonely Neckbeards need blowjobs.
      There are many honest ways to make a living that don't involve stealing Bandwidth and Time from the Public. So what, you don't get to create a lousy little App, just like thousands of other lousy little Apps. At least you would then be doing something actually worthwhile, and getting honest wages for it.

      As a Physicist, (Day Job, Retired.), I wrote more than my fair share of Poor Code. None of was of Commercial value or interest. Sometimes, the Code needed to be run just one time. But at least it was _Honest_ Poor Code. If you love Coding, (I don't...), write some Honest Code, without Ads. And then give it away, including Source. (Just don't give up your Day Job...)
      Now, about Piracy... Piracy would be if somebody stole some of my Code, say for generating a Magnetic Field Map, changed the Name, (Pirates always changed the names of captured vessels.), put it out as an App, and then lathered it with Ads.
      Piracy would _not_ be a User turning Ad Blocking _on_ so as to see one of my lovely Field Maps unlathered. More power to them.

      Sorry if I offended you, but defending the Advertising Structure that has made large parts of the Internet unusable, is inexcusable. You and that awful Kargman share one trait in common:
      Greed.

      Oh, a lovely captcha that describes you perfectly: damned

    4. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      2) I dislike their adverts sufficiently that I'm prepared to spend actual money to stop seeing them.

      Which results in lowered income for ad-driven apps, which means your free/app website won't be available anymore because the developer can't pay his bills to keep a roof over his head. Are consumers incapable of seeing beyond their own myopic, selfish needs or portraying themselves as the victims?

      Allow me to illustrate what happens when the advertisement becomes the main focus of the experience, as it has become in computing.

      Let us look at (especially) daytime television. Roughly 50 percent ads. And such ads they are. Since retiring, I've tried watching daytime TV from time to time. While you don't get malware, you do get force fed a steady diet of:

      Almost Pain Free Catheter ads - You're getting ads for little pipes you stick up your dick!

      Vaginal mesh and mesothelioma lawsuit ads - Oh yea, there's supposed to be a limited time to file a lawsuit, but this has been going on for years now. You just don't need that 20 times a day. Any poor woman who has that problem probably know about it and what to do about it.

      Ads for medicines that might just kill you. Ask your doctor if this anti-depression medicine that makes it's users commit suicide is right for you! Or this athlete''s foot medicine that might destroy yout liver.

      Commercial after commercial of Injury and medical malpractice and Social security disability lawyers.

      Annoying car insurance commercials pandering to people with bad insurance prospects.

      Free knee braces. Yeah - right

      Adult diapers for adults - mostly women, including a really disturbing one that tries to sex up the concept of shitting and pissing yourself in public. That's seriously getting near to scat porn - whic I have to confess, make me shudder at the thought.

      It's all what the boys down at the shop call

      Un-Fucking-Pleasant

      And this kind of crap, along with the fact that the quality of the shows has gone way downhill - a lot of people have just given up watching cable TV and have cut the cord.

      Hell the other morning at a hotel I saw an informercial - Some diet thing, that had a regular commercial interspersed within it.

      Now I just watch stuff on Youtube and HBO. And I'm not the only one - far from it. Cable TV is getting really really concerned about dropoff. And the millenials mostly just forgo ever getting cable. But what do they do when their product simply sucks

      People do not have unlimited tolerance for being force-fed shit. And if the internet gets to the same state as Daytime TV, and if I can't block out the unpleasant shit, I'll just find something new to do with my spare time.

      Or of course, advertisers could form consortiums, regulate themselves, and produce ads that don't steal bandwidth, inject malware and creep people out. Then I'd unstall my adblocker, and take a little look at their unobtrusive ads. Boom! everybody happy.

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    5. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by sbaker · · Score: 1

      Truly, I would prefer to pay what the app actually costs - and do micropayments for websites I use a lot. I've stopped watching broadcast and cable TV and happily pay NetFlix and Amazon Prime for the privilege of watching TV without the adverts.

      Advertising bites two ways - firstly it intrudes horrendously into my life, but secondly, it drastically increases the cost of goods - because I'm actually paying for the advertising costs on every product that's advertised. Did you know that 23% of the cost of a new car is the cost of advertising it to you?

      And bear in mind - that extra cost I'm paying on goods that I buy doesn't go entirely to the web sites, apps and TV shows that display them - a huge chunk goes to middle-men like Google - another huge chunk goes to marketing people to come up with those adverts - and to the production people that actually make them.

      If adverts vanished tomorrow, my savings on things I buy would by far exceed the increase in the price of a few apps - and micropayments for web sites that I visit.

      Even without that - American TV (broadcast & cable) subjects us to (on average) 16 minutes of advertising per hour. So a 2 hour movie takes 2.5 hours to run. I'm wasting half an hour to watch that movie "for free". I don't know how highly you value your time - but even if you decide your free time is only worth minimum wage, it's far cheaper to pay to watch it on Amazon...even more so if you're watching with family & friends.

          -- Steve

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    6. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by ruir · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of a remote and mute button? The ads you are talking about are so damn stupid, that is nearly the same as insulting people.

    7. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Tough Titty. The World does not owe Bad Programmers and Worse Marketers a living, no matter how much they think it does.

      Conversely, the app developers don't owe consumers free apps. Don't want to pay for apps or view ads? Well then, delete the app, please.

      Sorry if I offended you, but defending the Advertising Structure that has made large parts of the Internet unusable, is inexcusable. You and that awful Kargman share one trait in common:
      Greed.

      Do you know why ad-driven apps exist in the first place? It's because the vast majority of consumers (80-90%) are unwilling to spend even one lousy dollar for an app. That's right, ads exist because consumers are cheap or expect everything for free. It's greed of a different flavor.

      It's a different matter if ads are objectionable to many people. We could have an ad police to ensure there are not too many ads, that ads are not frequent or not too distracting to prevent you interacting with the main content. But there is nothing inherently wrong in advertising a product/service. Heck, most of you complainers make salaries because your boss hired advertisers to sell your company product, which in turn, pays your salaries.

    8. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of a remote and mute button? The ads you are talking about are so damn stupid, that is nearly the same as insulting people.

      I did do that for a while, but the content I am supposed to be interested in isn't interesting any more, I just get my entertainment elsewhere.

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    9. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Which micropayment networks have you signed up for and currently pay into?

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    10. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When I get apps, I try to get an ad-free version, and I'm happy to pay for that. In that case, everybody should be happy (well, everybody I care about). Websites are another issue, which I don't have a solution for. However, the problems with ads on websites have convinced me the price is too high, and if websites I like have to go out of operation because they don't get ad income I just have to consider it collateral damage.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    11. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      , which means your free/app website won't be available anymore because the developer can't pay his bills to keep a roof over his head. Are consumers incapable of seeing beyond their own myopic, selfish needs or portraying themselves as the victims?

      Then build a good AND useful app, price it reasonably and wait for the income. No income? Then your app is not good/useful or it's copying another app and you should try another career.

    12. Re:What are advertisers thinking? by sbaker · · Score: 1

      You probably think that's quite a clever retort and that I'm very unlikely to subscribe to such a service. However, I'd point out that both bitcoin and PayPal (both of which I use frequently) are quite capable of handling such tiny transactions.

      The problem is that the only website that I care about that supports this kind of thing is right here....Slashdot....and I *am* a subscribed member here.

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  17. No javascript = no ads by mveloso · · Score: 1

    Turn off javascript, and ads go away.

    1. Re:No javascript = no ads by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Many websites simply don't work without javascript. More and more, I've found that I can't tell which domains I have to allow in NoScript to get functionality, and which are likely to infect my computer. I'm giving up and switching to an adblocker.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:No javascript = no ads by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Of 100 sites that require javascript for basic operation (not just tracking or advertising), 95 of them are not worth visiting anyway and society will not miss anything if they vanish, and the remaining 5 you can get away with by selectively unblocking some common third party javascript sites. Out of 10,000 sites that require javascript, only one of those will be nice to their visitors and use only their own hosted scripts rather than rely on third party.

    3. Re:No javascript = no ads by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Instead of turning off only Java scripts, I recommend turning off Java completely (so both Java applets and Java scripts).

      It is an unfortunate fact that Javascript has nothing to do with Java. Javascripts are not Java scripts.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:No javascript = no ads by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      As it happens, I insist on being the judge of what sites I consider worth visiting. There are a lot of sites out there run by people worth paying attention to who aren't skilled in making good websites.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    5. Re:No javascript = no ads by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

      Instead of turning off only Java scripts, I recommend turning off Java completely (so both Java applets and Java scripts).

      It is an unfortunate fact that Javascript has nothing to do with Java. Javascripts are not Java scripts.

      It's equally unfortunate that when someone has no clue concerning what they're talking about, and refuses to look it up despite having more instantaneous and effortless access to information than at any time in human history ... it seldom if ever convinces them to listen instead of speaking.

    6. Re:No javascript = no ads by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

      Of 100 sites that require javascript for basic operation (not just tracking or advertising), 95 of them are not worth visiting anyway and society will not miss anything if they vanish, and the remaining 5 you can get away with by selectively unblocking some common third party javascript sites. Out of 10,000 sites that require javascript, only one of those will be nice to their visitors and use only their own hosted scripts rather than rely on third party.

      I don't really understand why someone would want their site to be dependent on unaccountable third parties over whom they have no control. This is especially the case if that site is a business and a main source of income.

      At least with ad networks I understand why a third party is trying to serve up scripts (which I reject). But I'm talking about sites that rely on third parties for basic functionality, apart from any (failed) efforts to advertise to me.

  18. So for all the ad providers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

    The iPhone doesn't just work...

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    1. Re:So for all the ad providers by phayes · · Score: 1

      Funny, we have boxes of broken Android phones at work and so few broken iPhones. Looks to me like it's all the Android phones that don't work.

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    2. Re:So for all the ad providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I updated to IOS 9 today, now I can't connect to WIFI, so yeah it doesn't work. Worst part is start my web searching for a solution, and WIFI connection problems on WPA and/or Hidden SSIDs has been a known problem for quite some time, and they decided to roll out the update anyways.

    3. Re:So for all the ad providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly do not think I have ever seen a broken Android phone, my family has owned at least 10 Android devices since 2010. None have broken but were replaced with new models. I have seen plenty of people walking around with broken & cracked iPhones though.

      * Though I doubt the OS running on the device speaks for the quality of the materials that goes into building handheld devices.

      I suspect your box of "broken" Androids is more a metric of the cost of the device: it is far cheaper to just replace a broken Android, whereas iPhones are significantly expensive that you actively fix them when they break.

    4. Re:So for all the ad providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect we're both posting to a thread that includes two fanboys with phones stuck up their asses.

    5. Re:So for all the ad providers by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Look on the bright side. At least with broken WIFI you have no issues with ads!

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    6. Re:So for all the ad providers by tepples · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, broken Wi-Fi means even more issues with ads, as all the ads have to go over your $10 to $15 per GB data plan.

  19. Re:If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slo by CycleMan · · Score: 1

    Well said. Next they'll say I'm stealing the newspaper that I read, simply because I skip the sections marked "Paid Advertisement" and don't read the Classified Ads thoroughly each day.

  20. I'm assuming these ads are copyrighted material. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Therefore, I'm doing my best to keep them off of my computer.

  21. Welcome to the club ... by MacTO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ad blockers are pretty much a necessity on mobile networks.

    Don't feel guilty about using them either. Ads cost real money on mobile networks because they eat into your quota. They also degrade your device's performance and track your behaviour. Don't dismiss that last point as the cost of free services. While the network is public, your device is private. You should have the right to control which network requests your device does and does not make, as well as control which code executes on it. All of this talk about ads funding websites and behaviour tracking being used to improve the relevance of ads is pure nonsense. If it was about funding websites with relevant ads, they would simply display ads based upon the content of the website.

    1. Re:Welcome to the club ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Yep. Ad blockers have been an essential install on Android and desktop for years now. Saves you money, time, battery and RAM.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the club ... by wickerprints · · Score: 1

      If I could give you mod points I would.

      People (and the advertisers and content creators that are vying for their attention) forget that WE are paying--and at least in the US, quite dearly--for the data usage involved in serving those ads. If I use an app or a browser that is offering content for "free," it's not really "free" if I am forced to download gigabytes of video advertisements each month. That's data I could have spent in other ways. So I have a simple proposition: if you are a content provider who wants me to watch your ads to support your revenue model, then YOU pay for the data usage costs to serve those ads to me. Why should I have to pay to watch your commercial? By all means, forward that cost on to the advertiser if that's what you need to do to make money. But as it currently stands, there is NO incentive for advertisers and content providers to limit the amount of data they make US spend pushing their intrusive advertising on us.

      Furthermore, many of these content providers do NOT have a method of allowing us to pay to avoid seeing any advertising. So it's facetious to complain that we are taking something for nothing by blocking these ads, because you don't provide us a way to NOT have to see them.

      The bottom line is that we will continue to see this arms race escalate because in reality, content providers are stealing from us: they steal our data allotments, our privacy, and our time. They steal it in the name of providing a "free" service. Personally, if the transgression is severe enough, I won't block your ads. I simply DELETE you from my life. If I do block your ads, consider yourself fortunate that I still even care you exist.

    3. Re:Welcome to the club ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ad blockers are pretty much a necessity on mobile networks.

      Don't feel guilty about using them either. Ads cost real money on mobile networks because they eat into your quota. They also degrade your device's performance and track your behaviour. Don't dismiss that last point as the cost of free services. While the network is public, your device is private. You should have the right to control which network requests your device does and does not make, as well as control which code executes on it. All of this talk about ads funding websites and behaviour tracking being used to improve the relevance of ads is pure nonsense. If it was about funding websites with relevant ads, they would simply display ads based upon the content of the website.

      Compared to Windows 10 (and now 7/8/8.1) even the most intrusive ads are like hugs from eff.org

      https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
      http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again-3569376/
      http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-privacy-spyware-settings-user-agreement.html

      http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/
      http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/07/11/microsoft-gave-the-nsa-direct-backdoor-access-to-outlook-skype/
      http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-stop-windows-10-upgrade-downloading-your-system
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195592-with-windows-10-microsoft-could-move-to-a-subscription-based-model
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windows-10-will-be-the-last-version-of-windows
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GU5uv28a3I
      http://techrights.org/2015/07/31/vista-10-anticompetitive/
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRYyWn7BEo
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gghj03J_ri0
      http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10
      http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/

      THIS.
      https://gitlab.com/windowslies/blockwindows

      Linux solves Microsoft backstabs. distrowatch.com

      Oh look... I just did a search because I wondered if they were still trying to stymie Linux with their Secure Boot lies. (the shit is not secure, nor is anything Windows now) and Yep

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901262/microsoft-tightens-windows-10s-secure-boot-screws-where-does-that-leave-linux.html

      Basically everything from Android phones to routers to fortune 500's to governments to supercomputers to the international space station are all on Linux... but these Microsoft pricks still want to to try to lock Linux out of the desktop on new OEM PC's. Wake up sheep. Microsoft are trying to dick the whole fucking world. Again. Microsoft don't make the hardware but they want to control what you can put on it? Then give themselves access to your keystrokes AND your files per the new "agreement"? G. T. F. O.

      Boycott any OEM that stymies installation of Linux or any other OS even a little bit. And perusing that pcworld.com article I see this

      But perhaps Linux will be fine!

      In this future, the worst-case scenario means you’ll need to hunt down special PCs designed for Linux—ones that will likely be more expensive. Say goodbye to running Linux on all those PCs that came with Windows, just as you can’t install Linux on an iPad today. Linux PCs will exist, but they’ll be specialty, expensive bits of kit.

      But is that bleak future really so possible? We’re leaving out a big piece of the puzzle here. Modern versions of some Linux distributions, including Ubuntu and Fedora, will install just fine on a Windows PC that has Secure Boot enabled. Microsoft actually signs Canonical’s Ubuntu boot loader and Fedora’s boot loader with a Microsoft corporation key.

      I haven't given credence to pcworld articles in at least 20 years. Such bullshit in this particular spew... eg.

    4. Re:Welcome to the club ... by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Which ad blocker do you recommend that doesn't require root?

      I've recently installed Adblock Browser (which is just a repackaging of mobile FF by AdBlock) but it obviously doesn't work system-wide.

      And frankly, mobile Firefox isn't really as good as Chrome.

    5. Re:Welcome to the club ... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I am among those who installed an adblocker immediately upon installing iOS9. It wasn't simply because I don't like looking at ads, as though it's an aesthetic decision. It's not because I'm somehow interested in "stealing" content. The problem is, over the past year or two, mobile internet access has become almost worthless half the time because the ads are so abusive toward the user.

      I've seen reputable sites automatically redirect you to open a new browser tab on iOS to direct you to another page. I've seen others automatically open Apple's App store and bring you to some game or app as a form of advertisement. Sites will have ads that pop up in front of the page, blocking all content, with a little tiny "x" camouflaged into the ad so you can barely click it without clicking the ad. Whether it's intentional, ads often open after a short delay, causing the whole page to rerender, placing an ad directly where you were about to click.

      If ads weren't such a huge PITA, then when I heard the iPhone was getting ad blockers, I'd probably be like, "meh, whatever" and not bother. I certainly wouldn't have paid money for an ad blocker. But as it is, I need an adblocker just to make my phone's web browser useful again.

    6. Re:Welcome to the club ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There is a version of AdBlock that doesn't need root and works system wide. It sets itself up as a local proxy for all apps.

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  22. I Can Deal With That by r-diddly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hey advertisers! Yeah we're "taking" website content for free, without paying for it, because that is precisely the nature of our contract and covenant with said website. Meanwhile your covenant with them is to pay them money and in return they'll place your ads. We have no covenant with you. We are not obligated to look at your ads.

    But what if every ad-supported site fails? If web content were not totally optional and inessential in every way you might have a point there. But since it's plentiful, mostly stupid, and hardly costs anything to deliver(*) we're actually paying close to market value for it. And a web made up of enthusiasts and community-supported sites might actually be a hell of a lot better than the corporate-dominated one we have now that's so full of bloodsuckers who want something for nothing.

    (*) Sure, starting from no web server or site, and going all the way to reaching user #1, takes a lot of effort. But users #2 through (thousands) take zero effort beyond that. (You webmasters are STEALING! SHRIEK!!! SHRIEK!!!)

    1. Re:I Can Deal With That by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If every ad supported site fails, then so what? The world existed long before the ad supported web did. The internet also worked and was functionally useful long before ad support web sites. We learned to live without Twinkies, we can learn to live without blogs from narcisists.

  23. saving them BW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since I don't read or click the ads, blocking them saves them from serving useless bytes. I am doing them a favor by blocking. besides, just because you sent me an URL doesn't mean I'm going to pull it. It is after all, MY computer. But I am sure the ad guys will be fine. They still put them into my broadcast and cable streams, but my DVR skips past them in clean 30 second increments, so again, it just costs them bandwidth, with no real upside in my case. /shrug

  24. Re:If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not sure how they convinced everyone that sneaking into a movie theater is stealing. The seat was empty and it doesn't cost them extra money.

  25. Just as good as rooting an android? by citylivin · · Score: 1

    I wonder as they keep mentioning "browser blocking" if it is as effective as the way a rooted android phone blocks ads. I dont have said phone, but as I understand it, the android adblocking will block ads in applications as well (some sort of host file block?) which by the sound of it, this does not do.

    Anyone got any info? Has android lost the superiority wars in terms of adblocking?

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    1. Re:Just as good as rooting an android? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Yes and no.
      Yes because you basically have built-in ad blocking features in Safari. You don't have this in Chrome. There are alternatives like Firefox for Android but they are not as popular as Chrome.
      No for everything else. Android allows alternative browsers, not IOS, and you don't even need to root for this. If you are rooted, the possibilities are almost endless : hosts based blocking, proxies, xposed modules, lucky patcher...
      Personally, I use #NoChromo and YouTube AdAway, I used to use MinMinGuard and XPrivacy but now I have no apps that "require" it.

    2. Re:Just as good as rooting an android? by sl149q · · Score: 1

      On IOS 9 ad blocking should work for all applications that use the webkit api to render pages.

    3. Re:Just as good as rooting an android? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I run Chrome as my main browser under Fedora 22 and have access via the store to a huge variety of applications and add blockers and flash control are just two of the content blocking features. Using Flashblock, Ghostery and AdBlock actually keeps my PC running quite allot cooler although to be fair it is the blocking of flash adds that keeps my CPU temperature down. From what I can gather flash adverts target CPU 0 and even though my load average is less than one it is nothing unusual for my CPU temperature up over 90 degrees C (I have an i7) which means the fan goes ballistic.

      With blocking on my CPU temperature is now 56~58 deg C which is normal for my i7 (I have an original one).

      For those interested I am currently blocking 6 trackers and 3 adverts even though I opted out of adds. To be fair I have never really had an issue with adds on Slashdot, however on some sites and please keep your mind out of the gutter :-) I have seen AdBlock block over 50 adds on a single page. I did originally use "Flashcontrol" since flash adds were a real annoyance to me but some sites got around that by forwarding me to the add sites. How to piss off a user.

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    4. Re:Just as good as rooting an android? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I actually suspect it does. Youtube ads do not appear anymore, or so it seems.

  26. social contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like with copyright, the public putting up with advertising in exchange for content is part of a social contract. We want to be informed or entertained and in exchange content producers deserve to be compensated. But the public never agreed to be tracked by advertisers and we never agreed to the advertising to be this in-your-face. Just as with copyright holders, advertisers were the ones who chose to break this social contract first. Since the contract is broken, I'm going to do whatever I want until we have a new contract we are both willing to sign. That's how negotiations work.

  27. No different... by swerk · · Score: 2

    "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

    True. It's my computer and those are my shiny discs full of bits. Using a blocker to customize the way I interact with web pages is no more wrong than moving my music from a CD to a more-convenient file. Since blu-rays I own refuse to play on my secondary TV (an old CRT), pirating those movies gives me no moral hesitation whatsoever. Nor does turning off flash, blocking ads, or doing any of the dozens of things I do with my browsers and my other software on my computers.

    If somebody wants to call what I do "stealing", well, fine. I never put my monitor up for rent as a billboard, so I could say anyone who tries to use it as such is trespassing and vandalizing my property. :^) The fact that ads are so far out of control that people will use non-free (and non-Free) blockers to avoid them is pretty telling.

  28. Listen you ad shitlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm not blocking ads. Blocking ads is impossible, because it is equivalent to the Halting Problem. If ad blocking == stealing, I'm not, because I'm prevented from doing so by the law of mathematics.

    But on a case-by-case basis, I'm doing what the fuck I like to do with the data on the receiving end. Among them: choosing not to receive something because I don't see a point of doing so, or because I find them antagonizing to my faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or because I'm a robot and I find your act of catering to humans very racist and offensive. Interpreting this as "ad blocking", hence denouncing this as stealing, reflects your inability to handle the cognitive dissonance, which is your problem, not mine.

  29. So now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies.

    Now, not looking at your copyrighted material is piracy? Someone is very deluded. Let's go back to capitalism: You offer a product at a price I like. When I asked for your product (web-page) I didn't agree to the price of 80% of my time (and bandwidth) being consumed by adverts, so what can I do? I can download the level of advertising that I can tolerate and do so because you demonstrated that agreement is not required before consuming your product (web-page).

    Just like television, I didn't agree to watch the adverts: It doesn't matter if I walk out of the room or fast-forward through the broadcast. You don't choose how I consume your product.

  30. Re:If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't that be trespassing? Not sure how you trespass by downloading selective content.

  31. Ess Pee Aitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know it makes sense.

    1. Re:Ess Pee Aitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This does http://mobile.slashdot.org/com... your weird ebonics doesn't.

    2. Re:Ess Pee Aitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you this guy?

  32. In App ad blocking by greggman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when will Apple let us block in app ads?

    Oh I see. This isn't about blocking ads for user's. It's about Apple trying to get more devs to make apps and use iAds which are not blocked so Apple can make more $$$

    1. Re:In App ad blocking by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Why did I have to read so far down the threads of comments to reach somebody who has figured out what Apple is up to? They want their customers to only see the ads that they get a return on. Apple is fine with the open-web content providers shutting down because of a lack of revenue. Apple wants consumers to view curated content using their apps.

      This isn't a generic 'adblocking' discussion. This is Apple curating content, something they love to do.

    2. Re:In App ad blocking by Black.Shuck · · Score: 2

      Congratulations both of you. You've got Apple all figured out.

      There I was thinking that improving iOS would boost sales-of and loyalty-to the biggest margin phone line-up that ever existed, when all the while I completely missed the nickel-and-diming opportunity of ad-blockers diverting petty-cash away from competing advertisers!

      Genius. I mean, why would Apple make mere billions on hardware when it could rake-in hundreds, thousands, maybe even MILLIONS with its iAd platform?

    3. Re:In App ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I block all ads on my Andoid. All. There are none in the browser, the apps, the games.

    4. Re:In App ad blocking by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Oh, come off it. There is billions in online advertising, and Apple wants in. haven't you heard of this little company called Google?

      Your coy way of dismissing the issue is kind of petty.

    5. Re:In App ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh ffs. Watch what happens - the ads will be there, but yes, probably not in the current mass quantities. Apple will not only get to monopolize ads on their platform, they will most importantly cut Google out.

      If it is just about the user experience, then there should be 0 ads left. We'll see where this goes.

    6. Re:In App ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You block in-app ads by not downloading apps that have ads in them and rewarding those that do with money.

    7. Re:In App ad blocking by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      To clarify, from Apple's perspective, Safari is the analog hole.

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    8. Re:In App ad blocking by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Google gets its money from advertising. Apple gets its money primarily by selling hardware, This gives them different viewpoints. I'm a Google product and an Apple customer. Obviously, Apple wants more money. That's how the system works. However, Apple has a strong incentive to keep my family happy with our iPhones and iPads, and they aren't going to annoy us to pick up a few extra cents.

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    9. Re:In App ad blocking by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with the iAd program. Are there limits on what the ads can do? Will Apple allow an iAd to infect my phone? Take over a Safari tab so I can't get back to what I was doing? Pop me suddenly into the App Store? I'm not actually anti-ad, I'm anti-obnoxious and potentially harmful ads.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  33. If I turn the page of an ad in a magazine.... by idji · · Score: 1

    ... without looking at or or mute an ad on television or alt-tab away from a youtube ad to ignore it, or perhaps just close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and shout "lalalalalalala" does that mean I am a pirate or thief or ripper?

    1. Re:If I turn the page of an ad in a magazine.... by gnupun · · Score: 1

      No, because it's unlikely you'll completely ignore the ad if you mute the TV or ignore the web ad because it still registers in your peripheral vision, sometimes you'll notice it by accident.

      It is stealing if you read a magazine where the postman, following your instructions, has used scissors to cut out all the ads from it. That analogy is similar to this case.

    2. Re:If I turn the page of an ad in a magazine.... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      No, because it's unlikely you'll completely ignore the ad if you mute the TV or ignore the web ad because it still registers in your peripheral vision, sometimes you'll notice it by accident.

      It is stealing if you read a magazine where the postman, following your instructions, has used scissors to cut out all the ads from it. That analogy is similar to this case.

      That's a fantastic idea! Let's make the postal service relevant again!

      So, am I to understand by your very narrow definition, heading to the kitchen to make popcorn, going to the bathroom, or in any way removing ourselves from the vicinity of the television while commercials are on is stealing, correct? Because the advertisers went to all the trouble to create and send us those obnoxious little video clips, helpfully sprinkled throughout video we are actually interested in seeing (and 'stealing' as much as 30% of our time to do so) we are obliged to participate? Fat chance, buddy. As one poster mentions, how long before an obligation to watch becomes an obligation to purchase? Oh, wait, it already is for online advertising, since the customer is footing the delivery bill...

      You know what the most common comment from new Netflix users is? How much time they save watching their favourite shows. 20 minutes per half-hour episode, 40 minutes per hour-episode. If we added up all of the time that commercials have wasted out of our lives, I think the average person would be surprised (and probably quite angry) at the result.

      We've paid enough. We're taking it back.

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  34. heh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... it also needs to convince people that when you use an ad blocker, "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

    So you're saying that you cannot show any actual loss from the use of ad-blockers?

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    1. Re:heh by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Who wrote that original quote - Steve Ballmer? He of the famous line "the most common form of music on an iPod... is stolen"?

      I haven't bought a CD in years; but, when I did, the first thing I did was rip it using iTunes or some other similar tool. Then I put the CD away for safe keeping. Ripped music is not another way of saying "stolen music".

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    2. Re:heh by tepples · · Score: 1

      Ripped music is not another way of saying "stolen music".

      Depends on the country. In Great Britain, a law allowing private copying of CDs to computer hard drives was found not to meet the essential purpose of copyright, and ripping CDs is therefore illegal.

  35. Re:Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, yes. You made a script that was moderately useful to a handful of people for a brief period in the 90's, before it was rendered irrelevant and obsolete. Now you're like Al Bundy constantly going on about that time you once made four touchdowns in a single game in high school...except your little script would be more accurately described as one field goal.

    You will now prove me right.

  36. Re:Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your app dates from the 90s and sucked shit even then.

    You're on the record as BRAGGING about its amazing CPU-hogging qualities.

    Now fuck off.

  37. Stealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stealing.... WTF.

    How about the theft of my bandwidth which costs me a LOT more money than you earn from the ads

    How about the theft of my privacy, no you DON"T have that right. You want that right, make your front page one that tells us exactly what information you gather and who you give/sell it to, and how you use information from other sources to add to the knowledge about the individual. The give them a page where they can see that information. Show it overtime, if I hit "agree", then you have that right, until then there is no implicit contract. Your current system is "here, sign this... yeah its a blank contract, we'll fill it in later, its all OK, trust us, but no you can NOT see the result".

    Tell us how many companies are snooping on us, tracking us, are you scared that will put people off ?

    Its NOT like a magazine or newspaper, I know there are ads printed, but those ads don't track me, report back about where I am in the article, how long I have been there, where my geolocation is, what other magazines I have bought, etc etc etc.

    So, ALL my machines have ad blocking/anti-tracking software. I even have an extensive hosts list on all my computers.

    So, theft.... not even close. What I have done is put locks on my door to stop unknown strangers from entering, thats security, not theft.

  38. Bad ol' ad blockers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So does that mean ad blockers are good or right? Absolutely not.
    Do we have an accountability and responsibility to address these things? Absolutely"

    Would we be having any kind of conversation about how out-of-control ads are if people weren't using ad blockers? HELL NO. It would be business as usual.

    I just wish advertising didn't work and people would make up their own minds. If car companies took their advertising budget and put it into R&D or maybe bought the $2.00 part instead of the $0.50 part, we'd have better cars and less Mathew McConaughey navel gazing.

  39. Stealing more than time an electricity by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You know how some horror games have a Lovecraftian "sanity" meter?

    Well when I get a full page popover, or I click on the screen randomly and am suddenly whisked to a page I did not expect - each of those events reduces my real life sanity meter. Out of control ad techniques are literally stealing my sanity.

    A side effect is the support I once had for ads on websites has eroded to my not caring at all what the loss of ad revenue does to websites, to not caring at all if the web as a whole dies or is reduced to some pre-historic form.

    My thought now is, if whatever ad you wanted to present was not in the initial HTML load it's fair game to be choosy about loading. I will whitelist sites I like a lot to help them out, but only if the ads there behave.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Stealing more than time an electricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fascinating.

  40. Will it block them all? by CockMonster · · Score: 1

    I assume it won't block iAd

    1. Re:Will it block them all? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      If they are licensing the Ghostery list, it sure as heck does block it, as they don't allow end modification of their list contents. In their official extension, you can enable or disable the blocking of individual items on the list, but as a licensee, I am not sure you can do that in your own application or not.

      --
      @Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
  41. It first the pattern by zuki · · Score: 1

    Just like the grossly exaggerated claims that were made a few years ago by Edward Withacre (then CEO of SBC). Or so many other "industry heads" like the music execs who want to endlessly resell you different copies of music you've already purchased, whatever stands in their way of "maximizing shareholder dividends" is anathema, and should be destroyed at all cost. Consumers being nothing more than opportunities to fleece money from.

    It's a pattern, a chronic need to do this; but a phenomenon which in no small part probably is also due to their need to posture for the home crowd in order to retain their cushy jobs. These people can't be that utterly dumb Rather, and whether we'd like to admit it or not, we'd do and say the same if we were in their position. Because to get to that position would have meant being capable of stepping over so many carcasses of dead rivals, and having burned so many bridges to get ahead that saying stuff like this is only a logical extension of this alpha-dog mindset.

    TL;DR: meh nothing to see, business as usual, move along. No need to get worked up about another garden-variety troll comment.

  42. He left out "from a security perspective" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Static ads? Not a big problem. Annoying ads? I'll get around those. Insecure ads? Sorry I've got to block your entire site but the bare bones now.

  43. Ad blocking on iOS has been around for ages. by grub · · Score: 1


    I use the Mercury browser on iOS. One of its features is adblocking, I haven't seen an ad in ages.
    Mercury homepage

    --
    Trolling is a art,
  44. blocking ads is stealing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I personally don't have anything against ads and unless they are overly annoying and get in the way of what i'm trying to do I don't even notice they are there. That being said the fact that ad blockers exist and have become so popular says something about the advertising methods currently in use. If you really think about it people block ads because they are annoying, which means they are not paying attention to them anyway. So how is those users blocking ads stealing.
    I know what your going to say, "They may not buy it now but later when their in the store their subconcious will remember it and they'll buy it because the brand name sounds familiar".
    To that I say that's probably true in same cases. But in my case I lookup specs and reviews on the product and compare it with competitors i've never heard of before buying and most often get the competitor. The only exception is for standard household items like food, cleaners, and such. And for those I just buy whatever is cheaper. I don't have much brand exclusivity either so your ad was not going to help you make any money from me anyway and there isn't much you can do about. I'm sure most people that block ads take a similar approach and equally ignored the ads even before they blocked them. Stop blaming your problems on everyone else and take it for what it is. A sign that your advertising approach is not acceptable and use that to motivate you to find something better. Of course about the only way to get business from people like me is to make a better and/or cheaper product without sacrificing on functionality so there's not much you can do to your advertising to win me over.

  45. 2.99 for an ad blocker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sucker is born every minute

  46. Funny lot's of users paying $2.99 to block ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I get ads are annoying and maybe $2.99 is not much to pay to block those ads if it works. But like the popup blocker which to me was the first way to block ads.
    You know the ad developers will surely find away around all of this. Unfortunately all people end up with is a reprieve from ads for a while. It teaches nobody a lesson other then some web sites will lose revenue or even possible turn to a paid site or close down entirely. Too many anal people who can't just ignore them will just make a few ad blocker developers wealthier and drive ad developers into new territory. We are not addressing the problem only a temporary solution.
    I don't use a ad blocker and never will, I won't pay someone for a app to block something that allows me to view a site for free. It won't end well down the road and these ad blocker people are simply short sighted in how they deal with ads. Be careful what you wish for because ad blockers might be the medicine but not the cure.

    1. Re:Funny lot's of users paying $2.99 to block ads by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      I won't pay someone for a app to block something that allows me to view a site for free. It won't end well down the road and these ad blocker people are simply short sighted in how they deal with ads. Be careful what you wish for because ad blockers might be the medicine but not the cure.

      Yet the Internet was a much more useful place before ads.

      Sites weren't loaded up with megabytes of crud, because people couldn't afford the bandwidth. You could actually go out and find the information you wanted, without having to fight through two hundred sites that just scrape content from other sites in order to appear high in the Google search results so they can collect ad revenue.

      If every site that can't make a living without ads goes away, few people will be complaining.

  47. ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not stealing, it's refusing delivery. Big difference.

    1. Re:ad blocking by praxis · · Score: 1

      It's not even refusing delivery. It's not requesting content in which one is not interested. One fetches an HTML document and then selectively fetches referenced documents. One just happens to not select documents which are high-bandwidth low-value, such as ads.

    2. Re:ad blocking by gnupun · · Score: 1

      It's not even refusing delivery. It's not requesting content in which one is not interested.

      Downloading and/or watching ads is payment in exchange for downloading content you want to read. Not paying for using a service is stealing, unless you are a naive 10-year old kid.

    3. Re:ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me the agreement where I am supposed download or watch ads. Oh, wait, there isn't one shithead.

    4. Re:ad blocking by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Not paying for using a service is stealing...

      WTF are you smoking, man?
      Using a service? What service? Did I force the creator of the said content to post it on the net? If you're not happy with people downloading the shit you've posted on the net for free then put it behind a paywall.

    5. Re:ad blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, I hope they don't mind if I use wget -O - > /dev/null to download their AiDs

  48. Re:Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's no mere script. I looked at that link. It's a full blown executable for Windows.

  49. Awesome! Can I cross post this? by tanstaaf1 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is hysterically funny BECAUSE it is so spot on. And I just realized government is really just another species of butt leech except not quite so harmless! :-)

  50. Yeah, nah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Protecting my brain from images (and noise and video) I do not want to see is not 'stealing'. (copyright infringement is also not 'stealing' and building a clock is not terrorism, but that's another issue.) How can refusing to accept a pile of crap shoved into your face be considered anything besides self-defense?

    I remember the web pre-advertising (pre-wordpress & pre-blogger, pre-google -- heck, pre-slashdot) before the first dot-com boom. There may have been fewer sites, and pretty much no 'old media' presence, but wow between AltaVista & Infoseek, useful information was much easier to find than it is now.

    I could go on about how crap like javascript has ruined the usability of the web as well, but in short: Get off my lawn.

  51. Fuck advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their right to advertise ends at my right to block them. Surfing the web is not stealing. I FUCKING PAID AN ISP TO DO SO.

    1. Re:Fuck advertisers by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Surfing the web is not stealing. I FUCKING PAID AN ISP TO DO SO.

      That's like saying, "I paid for my car so I don't have to pay for any goods at the store to carry them in my car." Your payment only went to an ISP. Who is going to pay the website owner? Fairies? The rationalizations here are beyond retarded.

    2. Re:Fuck advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the website owners want to get paid, they need to stop giving their stuff away for free. You don't hand out freebies and then accuse people of stealing.

    3. Re:Fuck advertisers by gnupun · · Score: 1

      The websites are not free... they have ads. Don't like ads? Well don't visit the sites. Broadcast TV is also not free... it has roughly 15-20 minutes of ads per hour and has been around for over half a century so no need to act innocent because both have the same model.

    4. Re:Fuck advertisers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV: broadcaster approves ADs that meet certain criterias and broadcasts them in the same channel as information
      Website 1: webmaster enjoys something, puts a link/image on his website.
      Website 2: webmaster wants money, signs up with some AD company and allows the AD code to do all kinds of stuff to his clients.

  52. It doesn't matter how you feel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You feel it's stealing?

    You feel it's not stealing?

    It doesn't matter either way, because soon everyone (or nearly so) will be blocking ads (why they aren't already I've no idea) because it provides a much better experience on whatever device you're using.

    So, regardless of how you feel about adblocking, if you want to make money off people visiting your site you'll either need to charge everyone to visit or serve up the ads yourself and burden the cost of the bandwidth, storage, and processing of doing so.

  53. Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    See subject line & that quote - want more? "Ask & ye SHALL receive"...

    * :)

    APK

    P.S.=> You WISH you were me - lol! I don't blame you... apk

  54. "I can't believe how fast the web is without them" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where the fuck have you been the last 20 years or so? adblocking is hardly a novel idea. it's how many of us survived the dialup era. junkbusters or webwasher, anyone?

  55. Full circle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the argument as I see it.

    The advertisers are saying that in order to get the information that I want from their servers, I need to accept and download onto my machine whatever they want. That's fine with me, but I think it needs to go both ways.

    In order to get the information you want off of my computer (my personal data, give or take) you need to accept and run from my machine whatever I want you to run.

    It's just fair, right? Otherwise you're just stealing from me.

    I'm not using an ad blocker to steal from you, I'm using an ad blocker to keep you from stealing from me.

  56. Intrusive Advertising is Immoral by C0L0PH0N · · Score: 1

    I think it is backwards to say "blocking ads is stealing". It is quite the other way around. When I want to watch a video online, or read an article, it is stealing from me to divert my attention to something I did not choose to see and which I have no interest in. That act of theft of my precious attention (I only have so much of it in my life, and it is MY attention that I have the right to direct as I choose) is an immoral act. We are so used to this immoral stealing of our attention that we have gotten numb to it. But that does not make it right. The immorality of advertising was a wake up call to me. I had never thought of it that way until I read a Slashdot article recently pointing this out: http://slashdot.org/story/15/0.... From that article: "Advertising is a natural resource extraction industry, like a fishery. Its business is the harvest and sale of human attention. We are the fish and we are not consulted." Touche, advertisers!!! You can pry my adblocker from my cold dead fingers!

  57. Re:Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go away, adblock needs it's cousin dickheadblock

  58. Valid ads by buckfeta2014 · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen a valid ad in quite some time on mobile. All I ever see are those fake battery apps and fake virus scanners. If only Google had the balls to do this for Android... Until then, I'm going to keep rooting my phone, or ditch smartphones all together.

    --
    Buck Feta. You know what to do.
  59. Stealing? Ummmm, NO. by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    it also needs to convince people that when you use an ad blocker, "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

    Go die in a fire, you asshole. It's not stealing. This prick reminds me of Jamie Kellner (chairman and CEO of Turner Broadcasting) who equated going to the bathroom during commercial breaks with stealing:

    When asked if he considers people who go to the bathroom during a commercial to be thieves, he responded: "I guess there's a certain amount of tolerance for going to the bathroom. But if you formalize it and you create a device that skips certain second increments, you've got that only for one reason, unless you go to the bathroom for 30 seconds. They've done that just to make it easy for someone to skip a commercial."

    By this 'reasoning', not looking at ads or not listening to commercials is 'stealing'. No. No no no. That's not what stealing is.

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  60. Stealing, my ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Mr. Kargman,

    > when you use an ad blocker, "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies."

    Thank you for confirming my negative user experience.

    Now excuse me while I gouge out Firefox's Javascript executing capability (know what? That's way more effective than any ad blocker and just a couple of clicks in about:config away).

  61. Refusing to buy or be enticed by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Refusing to buy or be enticed is not "stealing." It is MY time you're wasting, MY bandwidth your consuming, and MY CPU that you're overloading.

    Go fuck yourselves.

    --
    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  62. Free apps? by antdude · · Score: 2

    Are there no free ad blockers out there for iOS?

    --
    Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    1. Re:Free apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, but the only down side is that you have to sit through ads to use them...

    2. Re:Free apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free as in freedom or free as in free beer?

    3. Re:Free apps? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Both!

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  63. Web masters have lost the plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As fall is upon us, if you feel like a good scare, do look at a modern web site's innards. Even the simplest web sites are now mashups of resources from dozens of domains. Even the most elementary components, without which the site doesn't work at all, are usually loaded from some other party's server. Self reliant web sites are no more, and it takes hundreds of individual requests to load a web page these days. Every ad loads tracking scripts, every site loads multiple "analytics" packages. Every one of them creates additional requests to report the findings. And the whole storm of requests and little programs that your computer has to process gives you nothing: In the middle of all that is "content" (often licensed click bait) that's only a couple of kilobytes and could be rendered by an anemic 20 year old computer before the user lets go of the mouse button.

    Javascript in normal web pages needs to die. It's a worse scourge than Flash.

  64. Adblocking will kill the internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if blocking ads is going to kill the internet, does that mean we'll return to the 90s era of the internet?

    Back then, people discussed their interests and hobbies on the internet or just generally screwed around without interference from bad actors. Some of the bad actors that have made the internet nearly intolerable are big business shoving ads everywhere, think-of-the-children legislators trying to ban everything and spoiled kids who want to ram their extreme political opinions into every portion of the internet.

    So what you're saying is, if we all block ads, we get rid of the monetization of the internet, and with its departure, we get rid of the idiots who are here just to shit around and fuck things up for people who want to use it as an exchange for the free flow of ideas and culture.

    Sign me the fuck up.

  65. Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're welcome to send me all of the ads you want. I chose not to download them on my Internet connection. Fuck off.

  66. What a crock.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's stealing. It's no different than ripping music. It's no different than pirating movies.". WTF ?

    In that case trying to force me to watch ads for crap I have no interest in is like raping a helpless disabled child in the face with an angle grinder.

    Moron.

  67. Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you think this was so successful for me -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... on the PC platform?

    * Same reason as this article...

    (I'm only giving folks what they want & need - more speed, security, reliability, + even added anonymity (to a lesser extent on the latter though)).

    "I'm no gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider..." -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    APK

    P.S.=> Mod me down & troll me like you did here 5x already:

    http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...
    http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    Doesn't change a thing, lol... & you KNOW it!

    (I truly get that "last laugh" @ you fools, every time... lol!)

    ... apk

  68. Re:If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slo by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Sneaking into a movie theater is at least taking a scarce resource without payment, even if the resource would be otherwise unused. Making illegal copies of music doesn't involve a scarce resource.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  69. Plate. Plate of shrimp. by robotvoice · · Score: 1

    "Put it on plate, son, you'll enjoy it more."

    "See that? Ordinary fucking people. I hate 'em."

  70. Even the ads are classified by tepples · · Score: 1

    I thought people didn't read classified ads because most people don't have a Secret or higher security clearance.

    1. Re:Even the ads are classified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought people didn't read classified ads because most people don't have a Secret or higher security clearance.

      No, you only need a Secret clearance for the Secret Ads. I can't tell you what my clearance is, because it's classified.

  71. Re:If you don't buy the things in ads,you're a slo by tepples · · Score: 1

    If you watch your content without buying stuff our sponsors promote, you're basically stealing free content.

    Then let them sign up with cpalead or another cost-per-action ad network, and let them drop out of rankings on reputable web search engines.

  72. Charge Back by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    I think it's time we, internet users take notice of all the advertising that is forced down our browsing devices. Who benefits? We see dozens or even hundreds of ads daily. Who pays for them. We do! If all of the advertising was required to pay for the time and data usage that we are currently paying, a lot of the advertising would go away. It's time we take back the internet. If some company, agency, conglomerate wants to advertise on our devices THEY need to pay for the time and down load bits, bytes, KB, MB and GB they force us to watch or be annoyed by. No this is not the same as TV, because on commercial TV the show we want to watch is the staple, and yes someone must pony up the expenses for that show. The advertising on the internet uses the bandwidth we pay for to inundate us with their garbage, not the same as TV. The advertisers must take note and pay for and allocate the data usage to those advertising not the users who really don't want to see or be charged for their display.

  73. Re:Heh - To all my troll detractors... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Browser addons are horrible on cpu, ram, messagepassing overuse http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... and they operate in slower usermode.