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How Steve Jobs Outsmarted Carly Fiorina
HughPickens.com writes: Carly Fiorina likes to boast about her friendship with Apple founder Steve Jobs but Fortune Magazine reports that it turns out Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader. In January 2004, Steve Jobs and Carly Fiorina cut a deal where HP could slap its name on Apple's wildly successful iPod and sell it through HP retail channels but HP still managed to botch things up. The MP3 player worked just like a regular iPod, but it had HP's logo on the back and in return HP agreed to continue pre-loading iTunes onto its PCs. According to Steven Levy soon after the deal with HP was inked, Apple upgraded the iPod, making HP's version outdated and because of Fiorina's deal HP was banned from selling its own music player until August 2006. "This was a highly strategic move to block HP/Compaq from installing Windows Media Store on their PCs," says one Apple source. "We wanted iTunes Music store to be a definitive winner. Steve only did this deal because of that."
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
Aside from the incomprehensibility of "...it turns out Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader.." anyone else find it curious that we suddenly see a deal between HP and Apple (that allowed a downward-trending computer mfg company to tie itself to the "big up and comer") spun as "Jobs OUTFOXED Fiorina"?
-Styopa
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
"Why do you even of things anymore, timothy?".
Fixed that for you.
on Windows.
I always took a full week of vacation off when I worked there.
Is this what USasians think is a generous vacation policy? You're seriously impressed about being able to take a whole week of vacation?!? LOL.
I honestly wouldn't vote for her for that reason alone.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
It ran through an OSX emulation layer, that was half baked.
Oops, that seems to be the model that HP sold. But the 4th Gen "Photo" came out on October 26, 2004. That may be the model that is being referenced.
A three-legged cat could out-fox Carly Fiorina.
http://www.politico.com/magazi...
You are welcome on my lawn.
This one.
The iPod Photo is a portable media player designed and marketed by Apple Inc. It was the top-of-the-line model in Apple's iPod family. It was positioned as a premium higher-end spin-off of the fourth-generation iPod on October 26, 2004.
There was a deal with Motorola too, to put a music player on a phone, which was limited to 100 songs or something. At the time I thought Apple came out ahead on that one.
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HP didn't want to enter the music player gizmo biz, otherwise they wouldn't do the iPod deal to begin with. And not having Microsoft's music spam-ware on HP's PC's didn't hurt HP, it hurt Microsoft.
The only way it would hurt HP is if MS was contractually locked out from bribing HP to put the MS spam-ware on the HP PC's. But we don't know how much MS was willing to pay.
Table-ized A.I.
I KNOW! If you tell these guys what minimum mandated vacation time looks like in France they flat out think you're lying.
The fact that these candidates are the best that we as a country can muster is pretty pathetic. I know we have really thoughtful and intelligent people in this country, but for whatever reason, they don't seem to be able (or want) to compete with the horribly inept batch of clowns that we inevitably get.
America is basically like a very badly run company (e.g. like HP). The mediocre rise to the top. Actually Carly seems exactly like the sort of president we deserve. She can speak well enough to disguise the fact that what she is saying is completely retarded. Compare this skillset to Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and Trump, and it makes her look like a teacher in a room full of shitty kids.
Powerful you have become. The Timothy I sense in you.
I dunno. If I had to choose between negotiating with Steve Jobs or Vladimir Putin, I think I'd pick Putin as the safer choice.
I personally believe that the Timothy are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have spellcheck and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
Thus gossip about a stuuuuupid presidential candidate's former business deal (from 2004) with an asshole who's been dead since 2011 - is suddenly click-worthy "news".
In other news... Pangea broke up. Suck it.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
"Initially, HP only offered the 20 and 40 GB 4th-generation iPods. HP later added the iPod mini, the iPod photo, and the iPod shuffle to the lineup.[4] Thanks to HP's distribution network, the iPod+HP was sold in retailers where Apple did not have any presence at the time, which included Wal-Mart, RadioShack, and Office Depot. Many of these retailers now sell Apple iPods."
From Wikipedia
@sexconker: "Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader/"
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'Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?'
I do wonder that myself, especially consider what isn't chosen from Slashdot Recent
This begs the question...
Did Carly may have outlived of by Apple's late leader?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
I sure hope neither Fiorina or Trump gets the nomination. And Biden rather than Sanders or Clinton. Dr. Carson seems like a far more capable and thoughtful person. Cruz knows what he's talking about and has actually produced full workable legislation like a federal budget, whereas the other candidates only produced sound bites. There are several options better than Fiorina and Trump.
JOHN FUND: You, at Lucent, and at Hewlett Packard, began at the dawn of the internet era, seeing the possibilities of what that would bring. And here we are, 20 odd years after the World Wide Web, and we've created a marvelous industry, marvelous possibilities. The Obama administration has decided, this can't be left to its own devices, we need Net Neutrality. And even though Congress doesn't want it, and people in both parties in Congress don't want it, and the courts have blocked them consistently, they're moving forward of course with what they call executive action, which I call the divine right of kings. Uh, what do you think about Net Neutrality, and how should we fight it if we should?
CARLY: Well we should- it's ridiculous. We now have an FCC, deciding on a 3-2 vote, that the Internet will be regulated with 400 pages of legislation. Terrible idea. Terrible idea. Of course, the dirty little secret of that regulation, which is the same dirty little secret of Obamacare or Dodd-Frank or all of these other huge complicated pieces of regulation or legislation, is that they don't get written on their own, they get written in part by lobbyists for big companies who want to understand that the rules are going to work for them. And this is part of what people see. Look, crony capitalism is alive and well. Elizabeth Warren, of course, is wrong about what to do about it. She claims that the way to <airquotes>solve</airquotes> crony capitalism is more complexity, more regulation, more legislation. Worse tax codes. And of course the more complicated government gets- and it's really complicated now- the less the small and the powerless can deal with it. And so the big get bigger, the powerful get more powerful, the wealthy and the well-connected get more wealthy and more well-connected. I mean, that's a fact. It's what's happening. And it's partially why people feel so disconnected. So, the dirty little secret of those 400 pages of legislation in Net Neutrality was, who was in the middle of arguing for net neutrality? Verizon, Comcast, Google, I mean, all these companies were playing. They weren't saying "we don't need this," they were saying "we need it." And so, the only way to level the playing field, so that the small, the new, the entrepreneurial, the powerless, have a shot, is to reduce all this complexity. And meanwhile, while, you know, the big are getting bigger, we're crushing the small. So we're now for the first time in history, we are destroying more businesses than we are creating. We are destroying more businesses than we are creating- it's a terrible statistic. And it means that we're never going to get this economy growing and growing again, yes I had the great privilege of playing uh, important roles in Lucent and Hewlett Packard, but like most people I started out at a little company. I started out as a secretary in a nine-person real estate firm. My husband started out driving a tow truck for a family-owned auto body shop. Most Americans start in little humble businesses, which create 2/3 of the new jobs and employ half the people. So when we're crushing those little businesses, as we are every time we roll out a new, complicated piece of legislation or regulation, we're crushing the possibilities of this economy.
JOHN FUND: I grew up in Northern California, and part of the ethos was, reading about Hewlett and Packard starting their business in a garage.
CARLY: A garage. Two guys in a garage. By the way, Google started out that way too, in a dorm room. But they seem to have forgotten that. [audience laughs]
JOHN FUND: Well, uh, they have new friends in Washington.
CARLY: Yes, they do. Yes they do.
The transcript doesn't do it justice at all- her tics and mannerisms while shoveling this horseshit will make you want to smack her upside the head. Carly is a clueless liar- but I have to admit, I can never tell exactly when she's lying and when she's just being clueless.
She is gaining momentum in her campaign so we need to do something to slow her down
Slowing her down isn't necessary on slashdot. While we have a solid conservative majority in the slashdot user base, the overwhelming majority of slashdot conservatives will vote for whoever has the (R) after their name. In november if the ballot says Ghost of Ronald Reagan (D) vs Ficus Tree (R), the Tree will win the slashdot electorate by a landslide.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Carly Fiorina pretty much seemed to be doing all she could to destroy HP. When she bought Compaq she was already thought to be ready to be pushed out the door and many even suggested her main motive in doing so was to get the board to wait and see how that purchase worked out before showing her the door, buying her some more time. And it is worth remembering that the purchase of ailing Compaq brought little or nothing to HP that they didn't already have, and was at a higher price than even what the Chinese bought the IBM PC business for and renamed it Lenovo.
So the deal with Apple was bad for HP? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
Not that I would consider her malicious. Beyond putting her personal income beyond the needs of HP and all the employees that got laid off, I would say most of what happened under her reign was just due to incompetence.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Is this what USasians think is a generous vacation policy? You're seriously impressed about being able to take a whole week of vacation?!? LOL.
No.
HP used to have a really nice sabbatical program, where you could take a whole year off.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
She openly preached it, in fact..
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
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Verizon and Comcast were not pushing for Net Neutrality and saying "we need it"; they were the principal forces opposing it, and they were the reason that FCC regulations were required to preserve it in the first place. They had plans for paid prioritization of traffic that would basically amount to charging websites for the privilege of not having their traffic throttled on the "last mile" link between the ISP and its customers. Google was diametrically opposed to this, as well as most small web sites and 3.7 million individuals who sent letters to the FCC.
The fact that an ex-CEO of HP, of all people, is pontificating about Net Neutrality while exposing her ignorance of even the most basic facts about who was involved and what sides they were on seems incredible. Was she merely confused herself or just trying to confuse everyone else? I have no idea.
Just Google "Cruz dominionist" for lots of links.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Ted-C...
http://www.politicususa.com/20...
The last one might be "liberal", but it has a video from Cruz's own father. If that's not good enough for you, I don't know what is.
In november if the ballot says Ghost of Ronald Reagan (D) vs Ficus Tree (R), the Tree will win the slashdot electorate by a landslide.
Considering how far (R) has shifted to the right since the 80's the party would immediately declare the Ghost of Ronald Reagan to be a Dem. That and declare him satanic.
Considering how far (R) has shifted to the right since the 80's the party would immediately declare the Ghost of Ronald Reagan to be a Dem.
That is logically sound, indeed Reagan is too liberal to be a republican. However one of the unshakable requirements for republicans is to praise him regardless; and they are not bothered by the hypocrisy (indeed they don't even acknowledge it). So while they should throw him out for being too liberal, they would be unable to bring themselves to do so.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Hell, these days, he's too liberal to be a democrat. Started prosecutions of bankers when Obama bailed out the banks for a fraud dozens of times as large as the S&N crisis. Insisted that Social Security had nothing to do with the deficit - tell that to Obama's Catfood Commission. Withdrew from Grenada and Lebanon (though he never should have gone in in the first place), whereas Obama has made plans to continue the occupation of Afghanistan through two terms of his successor, whoever they turn out to be.