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How Steve Jobs Outsmarted Carly Fiorina
HughPickens.com writes: Carly Fiorina likes to boast about her friendship with Apple founder Steve Jobs but Fortune Magazine reports that it turns out Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader. In January 2004, Steve Jobs and Carly Fiorina cut a deal where HP could slap its name on Apple's wildly successful iPod and sell it through HP retail channels but HP still managed to botch things up. The MP3 player worked just like a regular iPod, but it had HP's logo on the back and in return HP agreed to continue pre-loading iTunes onto its PCs. According to Steven Levy soon after the deal with HP was inked, Apple upgraded the iPod, making HP's version outdated and because of Fiorina's deal HP was banned from selling its own music player until August 2006. "This was a highly strategic move to block HP/Compaq from installing Windows Media Store on their PCs," says one Apple source. "We wanted iTunes Music store to be a definitive winner. Steve only did this deal because of that."
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
In short, Fiorina's "good friend" Steve Jobs blithely mugged her and HP's shareholders. By getting Fiorina to adopt the iPod as HP's music player, Jobs had effectively gotten his software installed on millions of computers for free, stifled his main competitor, and gotten a company that prided itself on invention to declare that Apple was a superior inventor.
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
Carly may have outfoxed of by Apple's late leader
Why do you even post things anymore, timothy?
"Why do you even of things anymore, timothy?".
Fixed that for you.
I always took a full week of vacation off when I worked there.
Is this what USasians think is a generous vacation policy? You're seriously impressed about being able to take a whole week of vacation?!? LOL.
Considering she's running for president, it shouldn't be surprising at all that her record gets raked over with a fine-toothed comb.
As for the deal itself, it definitely sounds like HP tried to gain advantage, but Apple came out as the clear winner, with HP (and Fiorinia) looking entirely foolish. Given the rest of her tenure at HP (and elsewhere), I'm not surprised in the least to hear it. She's never been any sort of true visionary, and having Jobs leave her in the dust with having doubled down on what was soon to be yesterday's technology, while he focused on what was really key is exactly what I would expect.
So is it really a "hit piece" to tell what happened, and put it in proper context? Why was HP wasting its time doing things like buying Compaq, and trying to piggyback on Apple's successes? If she was really a visionary, shouldn't she have been leading the market and innovating the way Jobs was?
I honestly wouldn't vote for her for that reason alone.
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You may not be aware of this, but Fiorina has been citing Jobs to deflect criticism of her for being fired by HP's board. She says that after she was fired he called her up and said "been there!" She's implying that because Jobs was fired and came back even stronger, her being fired from HP is proof she's a genius just like Jobs.
Since she brought up Jobs to make herself look good, it was inevitable that Jobs would be used to make her look bad. She opened that door.
A three-legged cat could out-fox Carly Fiorina.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
This one.
The iPod Photo is a portable media player designed and marketed by Apple Inc. It was the top-of-the-line model in Apple's iPod family. It was positioned as a premium higher-end spin-off of the fourth-generation iPod on October 26, 2004.
There was a deal with Motorola too, to put a music player on a phone, which was limited to 100 songs or something. At the time I thought Apple came out ahead on that one.
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I think this comment is a weakly disguised hit piece on this article.
HP didn't want to enter the music player gizmo biz, otherwise they wouldn't do the iPod deal to begin with. And not having Microsoft's music spam-ware on HP's PC's didn't hurt HP, it hurt Microsoft.
The only way it would hurt HP is if MS was contractually locked out from bribing HP to put the MS spam-ware on the HP PC's. But we don't know how much MS was willing to pay.
Table-ized A.I.
Fiorina couldn't lead lemmings to a cliff. Given the two bad alternatives, I'd have to choose Trump.
I KNOW! If you tell these guys what minimum mandated vacation time looks like in France they flat out think you're lying.
The fact that these candidates are the best that we as a country can muster is pretty pathetic. I know we have really thoughtful and intelligent people in this country, but for whatever reason, they don't seem to be able (or want) to compete with the horribly inept batch of clowns that we inevitably get.
America is basically like a very badly run company (e.g. like HP). The mediocre rise to the top. Actually Carly seems exactly like the sort of president we deserve. She can speak well enough to disguise the fact that what she is saying is completely retarded. Compare this skillset to Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, and Trump, and it makes her look like a teacher in a room full of shitty kids.
Powerful you have become. The Timothy I sense in you.
Time for Putin to pull the wool over her eyes if by some fluke she becomes president.
"We're allowed to put our American flag logo on the back of all Russian missiles fired in Syria."
HP made a *really* stupid agreement. It wasn't the only one, and at least this one was legal, but it sure doesn't make Fionna look good. She'd have been better off to not cause this idiocy to be brought back to light.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Well, she was outfoxed.
The PJB-100, the first disk-based MP3 player, was in my hands in 1999 - a full two years before the iPod. HP owned fundamental patents that could have taxed each unit that Apple sold - but seemed to be entirely unaware of that ownership.
Instead, they paid Apple to resell their own inventions. Brilliant!
So yeah, she just totally sucked.
I dunno. If I had to choose between negotiating with Steve Jobs or Vladimir Putin, I think I'd pick Putin as the safer choice.
I personally believe that the Timothy are unable to do so because, uh, some, uh, people out there in our nation don't have spellcheck and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.
The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
Given that the rest of the Republican candidates seem to be experts at leading lemmings off cliffs, I'd say that was a point in her favour.
Or you know, vote for the decent alternative, Bernie Sanders (even if you disagree with his politics you have to admit the man is objectively a decent human being such rare, much weird, wow)
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This begs the question...
Did Carly may have outlived of by Apple's late leader?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Fiorina's not stupid.
Stupid? Maybe not. Incompetent? Hell, yeah. Just ask anyone who worked at Lucent, HP or Compaq.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
To call a man decent because he admits that he wants to steal everything you own, is missing the point.
Since when did Bernie Sanders become a Capitalist?
Similar to the upcoming US election results
She is gaining momentum in her campaign so we need to do something to slow her down
Slowing her down isn't necessary on slashdot. While we have a solid conservative majority in the slashdot user base, the overwhelming majority of slashdot conservatives will vote for whoever has the (R) after their name. In november if the ballot says Ghost of Ronald Reagan (D) vs Ficus Tree (R), the Tree will win the slashdot electorate by a landslide.
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I'd pick Trump too, in the same way that I would choose to drink bleach rather than ammonia or nitric acid.
As for the Democrats, right now it seems like a choice between Dr. Pepper and Coke Zero.
socialism: public safety nets. much cheaper and higher quality healthcare. affordable higher education. source: canada, denmark, germany, norway, etc... countries richer, healthier, happier, better educated, and *freer* than the usa: no financial parasites funneling money out of their society via cozy relationships paid for by corrupt elections, for nothing in return, because regulating corporations and plutocrats is "against freedom"
communism: gulags and mass starvation and no free speech and no free press and no freedom of religion and control and fear and genocide and hour long lines to get scratchy toilet paper. that's canada and germany, right?
american moron: socialism = communism, because hysterical low iq propaganda that hasn't had an original thought since mccarthy's 1950s red scare bullshit means that binary choices between communism and capitalism are the only choices in a subject matter, economics, that in reality, has thousands of complex variations. but... we'll just stick to our ignorant kneejerk biases, because it serves our plutocrat masters who produce the propaganda to keep us misinformed, poor and unhealthy, and we like it because we're useful fools
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
A presidential candidate's demonstrated incompetence in a leadership position is "stuff that matters". So is major corporate executive's, since it helps dispell the lingering idea that leaders get paid more than underlings because they're worth more, rather than just more powerful. The remains of the myth of the divinely appointed kings are hindering our democracies by making the decision-making positions extremely attractive to psychopaths, narcissists and people with other mental issues, and need to die.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Verizon and Comcast were not pushing for Net Neutrality and saying "we need it"; they were the principal forces opposing it, and they were the reason that FCC regulations were required to preserve it in the first place. They had plans for paid prioritization of traffic that would basically amount to charging websites for the privilege of not having their traffic throttled on the "last mile" link between the ISP and its customers. Google was diametrically opposed to this, as well as most small web sites and 3.7 million individuals who sent letters to the FCC.
The fact that an ex-CEO of HP, of all people, is pontificating about Net Neutrality while exposing her ignorance of even the most basic facts about who was involved and what sides they were on seems incredible. Was she merely confused herself or just trying to confuse everyone else? I have no idea.
Jobs got booted and went on to outdo Apple sufficently that they ended up buying him back and more or less gutting their own products to rebuild them around his.
Not really. Jobs got booted and went on to meander around aimlessly in computing. His success was with Pixar, not with NeXT. The only reason NeXTStep was superior to Apple's other options is that they had been dicking around incompetently with a variety of OS projects which never went anywhere. It's also not clear that NeXTStep was actually a better option than BeOS, but it's cleat that Jobs and NeXT were a package deal, and the rest is history.
The fact that NeXTStep, an overpriced and antiquated wacky Unix variant based around a development system and language nobody wanted to use at the time was superior to MacOS of the day is a testament to how aimless and pointless Apple was without Jobs, not to the quality (or success) of NeXTStep.
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A presidential candidate's demonstrated incompetence in a leadership position is "stuff that matters". So is major corporate executive's, since it helps dispell the lingering idea that leaders get paid more than underlings because they're worth more, rather than just more powerful. The remains of the myth of the divinely appointed kings are hindering our democracies by making the decision-making positions extremely attractive to psychopaths, narcissists and people with other mental issues, and need to die.
One - incompetence has NEVER stopped anyone getting elected.
Nobody cares about incompetence. Neither the people at the voting booth NOR the people in the party pushing that person for office.
People care about "Is he/she like me?". Can they identify with the candidate and his/her ideas or in other words - do they LIKE the candidate.
It's a popularity contest.
Just a while ago US had an incompetent lunatic with a history of substance abuse problem who believes he talks to god, with god giving him instructions on how to run the country - running the country and starting decades long wars.
Remember that time when an undiagnosed Alzheimer's patient ran a country, with plans to "win" a nuclear war with USSR by using "lazors"?
Remember that airhead from Alaska being and actual presidential candidate?
Remember that other guy being "a robot" and "not cool" to be president?
Remember that certain senator from Kansas being "too old"?
It's a popularity contest. People vote for whom they like more based on their public image.
Hint: A sex scandal does not mean someone is incompetent at their job - except in politics.
People don't care about competence. If they did, there'd be a test and an "experience in office" requirement for political positions.
You know... something to show that a politician actually knows how government works.
Imagine THAT crazy thing - politicians with actual governing GRADES and stats.
Instead, elections are about the ability to pretend to be everything to everyone.
Which is what's "making the decision-making positions extremely attractive to psychopaths, narcissists and people with other mental issues" - not a myth of divine kings.
Thus, elections being a popularity contest...
"Jobs fucked Fiorina" is irrelevant historical information (over a decade old) which, were elections about competence, would actually indicate more that she was a high stakes player who once lost to Divine Steve.
But it's not.
It's a cheap, "dirty laundry" attempt at painting old news as relevant in order to affect someone's popularity by labeling them as "totally tricked" and "outsmarted" instead of what they are - incompetent at running a company.
Which might actually mean that she has great chances - in politics.
After all... People loved that other MBA who kept ruining businesses he ran. Maybe she should get herself a baseball team?
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It's been repeatedly demonstrated that it wasn't, in fact. It was just a better effort than similar devices which preceded it.
Right, but not innovation. That's not what this is about.
Oh please. I hate to defend Apple of all companies, but "innovation" is not being the first to come up with the very first version of something, that's "invention". The two are not the same. Putting together existing parts (and refining them significantly) into a new overall package is innovation; it's really the same thing as engineering, but also combined with design.
I still remember when the iPhone first came out. It was truly intuitive and easy to use for people who hadn't used one before, and it was actually attractive; this just wasn't true for preceding devices with their tiny screens with resistive touchscreens and crappy OSes. Thankfully, Android came along later (though it has major problems too, namely mfgrs abandoning devices quickly), but I have to give credit where it's due. The iPhone is the whole reason everyone has a smartphone now; no one cared about them before because they really weren't easy to use (nor attractive).
Considering how far (R) has shifted to the right since the 80's the party would immediately declare the Ghost of Ronald Reagan to be a Dem.
That is logically sound, indeed Reagan is too liberal to be a republican. However one of the unshakable requirements for republicans is to praise him regardless; and they are not bothered by the hypocrisy (indeed they don't even acknowledge it). So while they should throw him out for being too liberal, they would be unable to bring themselves to do so.
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