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DHS To Extend OPT To 60 Months, Says Employers, Universities, Students Demand It (natlawreview.com)
theodp writes: In August, Federal Judge Ellen Huvelle called BS on 'emergency' changes made by the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security in 2008 to Optional Practical Training (OPT) that extended the amount of time foreign STEM graduates of U.S. colleges could stay in the country and work ("to alleviate the crisis employers are facing due to the current H-1B visa shortage," as Bill Gates explained it in 2007). "The 17-month duration of the STEM extension appears to have been adopted directly from the unanimous suggestions by Microsoft and similar industry groups," said the Judge in her ruling, which threatened to invalidate STEM OPT extensions in February. But the DHS fired back Monday with a new proposed rule — Improving and Expanding Training Opportunities for F-1 Nonimmigrant Students With STEM Degrees and Cap-Gap Relief for All Eligible F-1 Students — that will extend STEM OPT to as much as 60 months (a standard 12-month OPT period, plus two 24-month extensions). Foreign students demand it, explained the DHS, as do public colleges and universities, who "particularly benefit from the payment of tuition by foreign students, especially in comparison to the tuition paid by in-state students." DHS estimates that the proposed rule will affect 634,464 foreign STEM students over the next 10 years.
Foreign students demand it, explained the DHS, as do public colleges and universities, who "particularly benefit from the payment of tuition by foreign students, especially in comparison to the tuition paid by in-state students." DHS estimates that the proposed rule will affect 634,464 foreign STEM students over the next 10 years.
so the schools are selling us americans out to foreigners because... surprise surprise they get paid more! And even worse the government is supporting that????
where are all the "tuition is to high" americans at??? they need to stand up and say enough is enough
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Fuck You, DHS.
Come on now. Sensibly, if you're going to be protectionist at all (ever), wouldn't it make a tiny bit of sense to keep your domestic intelligentsia engaged in active study and gainful employment?
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The only reason for these ridiculous band aids is that getting a green card takes fucking forever and the standards for work visas are incorrectly set. A BA/BSc/BEng from Harvard and Podunk State are considered equal. It's no secret that American universities attract some of the smartest people on the planet, which is a unique advantage that the US has. Competition for top universities is fierce and pretty much manages to swoop in the top talent on the planet. The problem is then that the immigration system is not at all merit based. Someone with a degree from Harvard is on equal footing with a graduate from a completely unknown school which accepts everyone who can send them a check.
The problem is that one should keep out people that are no better than what can be sourced among the local population. At the same time the immigration system needs to guarantee continuity for top students while quickly getting them to the point where they can stay permanently, which allow them to do things like start a family, buy a house etc. If the immigration system forces someone to move abroad even for a month there's a high chance they're not coming back.
I'm sure we can find a person in another country to make comments as an AC for cheaper than you, too.
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i imagine the problem of "employee shortage" could be fixed in the private market (via higher salaries) rather than by passing laws to bring in outside people to work for less...
Acronym Bingo!
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
So what does not-for-profit really mean then, when they're engaged in the same behavior.
It means they want to make money so they can grow, or at least stay afloat. But the owners of the not-for-profit don't get to keep the profits; unless they happen to be employed by it and collect a 6 or 7 figure salary.
Did you even read the summary?
This program specificially has "non-immigrant" in it's title and it's intended to take up the slack for another non-immigrant program (namely H1-B).
A "guest worker" is by definition not an "immigrant".
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
99% of the H-1B circus is bullshit.
Are you really telling me that in this entire country there isn't anyone with the skills to fill that job? BULLSHIT.
This is probably even true at a state level, and also probably true at a local level as well.
Maybe if you're looking for something really esoteric, but a programming job or skill? Sorry, I call BULLSHIT.
It's nothing more than a way to get cheap, compliant labor while simultaneously driving down wages and sucking up tax breaks. I live a few miles from Microsofts Redmond campus, trust me when I say that I know what I'm talking about.
The entire H-1B program should junked and redone so that only TRULY "unfindable" skills or candidates would qualify.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
that this will reduce tuition paid because the foreign students subsidize local students. As someone trying to come up with the money to send a kid to college I know full well this is bullshit, but what can I do? 30 years of Reagenomics and Starve the Beast means anyone not in the top 10% is boned...
Wish we could do something about it, but good luck. Nobody gives a shit. Hell, us techies laughed at the blue collar folks while they were losing their jobs overseas. We kept voting in right wing free trade jerks and telling them to 'retrain!'. Why the hell should we expect them to give a fuck now.
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Immigration, with limits, is just fine. This isn't really about immigration though, it's about temporary labor. This is about the system being gamed by some large corporations and corrupt politicians in order to drive down wages which fattens the profits of the corps involved but harms the country's economy and social well-being over time.
If this was really about immigration, the immigrants would have to go through the official process. Then if they planned on staying here, they'd experience all the taxes and costs of living as the other citizens, which means they'd have to demand wages accordingly, which them makes the whole scenario unprofitable for the corporations. The only way this works is if the labor is temporary, meaning the employees will live frugally and leave after a little while, funneling all of their earnings back to their home country where it buys a lot more than here. Temporary labor is easier to abuse, with the threat of deportation. This means they're more obedient and less likely to put up a fuss when their rights are violated. Big Money likes slave labor, always has.
Politicians complicit in these crimes should be removed from office and tried as traitors to their own country.
Slashdot sure is anti-immigrant. One may even say *gasp* bigoted...
There are a a lot of idealists on slashdot. Unfortunately, just like in IT, the code that works perfectly under clean room, vetted data situations doesn't work so well in the real world. Everybody on slashdot is in favor of taxing the rich, but when the government looks at them and says "okay rich man, hand over your wallet", they all act surprised.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Me, I dislike emigration. I want people to come here and stay here. Immigrants have already been schooled to 18+ and have the wherewithal to uproot themselves for a better life.
If you're worried about competition, form an effective German-style union where both sides of industry care for long term business efficiency and want secure, motivated, skilled workers rather than a race to the bottom. Or start up your own business. If the country becomes so much more efficient that it needs proportionally less labour, said unions can negotiate a reduction in working hours.
There may be people who dislike immigration period. But most of the conservatives hate illegal immigration. And most of the democrats then like to conveniently leave the word illegal out or change it to something that sounds less like illegal. The truth of the matter is that many H1bs are here illegally, because the companies that hired them, their visa lawyers and they themselves lied and colluded to get a job when many, many Americans were available and willing to work the job for the right amount of money (ie, the prevailing wage).
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
With the 10,000's of jobs that IT staff have lost to whole departments being relocated to India, I seriously question the claim of shortage of skilled IT labor. What they're short on is people to work for almost free living 8 to a house. Ref: Disney Florida, SunCorp bank, HP printer and networks division, (and the list goes on). I bet the majority of the 87000 H1-B visas are being hoarded by just a very few large companies: TCS, IBM, Accenture, EDS, etc.
but the cost of higher education was always, well, high. We just like to forget the massive federal subsidies we got in the 90s. To be fair it wasn't Reagan who cut them, it was Clinton/Bush jr. But Reagan's administration (along with Karl Rove) created the notion of 'starve the beast) that underpinned the cuts. The idea, crammed into our skulls over and over again, that We Can't Afford It, usually because of debt (nevermind that a modest capital gains plus repatrioting 2 trillion sitting off shore could take care of the debt in short order). The idea is to load the gov't with debt by massively cutting taxes on the wealth (and modestly on the poor and middle class) while increasing spending until the whole thing collapse. Just google the phrase and you'll get better explainations than I can give.
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So yeah, I'm going off on right wingers. I've also got damned good reason to. I've thought this through, you haven't. Please start. Please. We're losing everything to guys like you drinking Karl Rove's Koolaid...
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He's the only candidate to oppose more H1-Bs.
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Students "demanding!?" I've got a demand, "get f out of here."
Not any of the "rich" haunt \.
Somehow I doubt it. It's more like: Slashdot, we sit around in our parents basement and pretend we are the 1%.
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Next there'll be no bank robbers, just undocumented withdrawers.
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Most of us Libertarians have, indeed, thought it out. Me? I support the idea of free or inexpensive tuition for qualified people and for qualified majors. We can debate where and who those are but I'd suggest we start with STEM and people who score well on the SAT. Why? It's a way to give more people liberty. It's also cheaper and more productive in the long run. People should still be able to pay for (and it should be less expensive, maybe even partially subsidized) alternative majors as well. Again, the rights belong in the hands of the people. A good government should enable and secure those rights on our behalf.
Most of us aren't extremist, morons, Ayn Rand worshiping, idiots. However, the vocal minority is and they really like microphones and web forums. It's kind of tough to go around cleaning up after them. I was going to point out that the OP was not a Libertarian but I think he may actually identify as such. We can't stop people from claiming that they are and we're not about to do some 'purity test.' I've been involved with the party for about 40 years - I was an 'early adopter,' you could say. I'm actually running for office.
The ones that complain about taxes the most are the ones that aren't actually paying a whole lot. At least that's my observation.
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H1B and similar laws such as this one are not about immigration. They are about importing what is effectively slave labor that have to work long hours for little money, for the same company, or risk getting deported.
That's not true. As can be seen in a comment above, there are 2 candidates against H1-B. The wacky Republican (Trump) and the wacky Democrat (Bernie Sanders).
This is to ensure that you have to sign up to be slave labor in order to stay. Be careful what you wish for as it could very well have unintended consequences.
translation: We want more cheap foreign labour ..
The scary thing is, this person can probably legally buy a gun.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Got some bad news for you, man. Prepare to hold your nose and vote for Hillary.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
You know, you can use the word "nigger" if you want. Especially if you're an AC.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
The robust immigration policies of US has been the main reason for its success compared to other developing countries. US has always been the country of immigrants and should avoid the xenophobic policies of other countries like in EU, Australia, Russia.
Slashdot: home of the 1%
Somehow I doubt it. It's more like: Slashdot, we sit around in our parents basement and pretend we are the 1%.
Believe me, the government considers pretty much everybody that is in slashdot to be the 1%
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
But most of the conservatives hate illegal immigration.
Except when hiring maids and gardeners.
And people to work in their chicken-processing factories.
I'm sure that makes a good argument, but what proof do we have that it is true? I personally have never hired a maid or a gardener at all, and neither has any of my friends, who mostly happen to be conservatives. I'm pretty sure most of the more well-to-do conservatives don't hire illegals either. They hire legitimate gardening services (or mow their own lawns. You don't get rich by writing a bunch of checks). Perhaps some of those gardening services employ illegals, but the responsibility for ensuring that a gardening service does not hire illegals is the governments responsibility, not the customers.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
a job in the US at all? Are US citizens allowed to go live and work in any country they want?
and all those foreign grads contribute significantly to US economy. Yes, they can work anywhere they want. In fact there is a significant number of US expatriates working in EU, East Asia, and South America.
get a job there? Yes or No?
Oh, right, it's only racist xenophobia when it's Americans doing it. Your entire argument is that since there are good colleges in the US (and the US has worked hard to build a strong economy) then anyone anywhere should be allowed to buy their way into American citizenship for the price of attending a US university--regardless of the impact to actual American citizens and the US economy.
i consider myself a constitutionalist first a libertarian second if you must know
I hope you have some good luck in your upcoming elections
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Somewhere along the line, the Constitution went from being a list of what the government could do to being a list of what the government can't do. "No? It doesn't say we can't do that? Well, let's do it!" You could say I'm pissed off but I suspect I'm preaching to the choir. Run for office. Really, even if it's just a small and local one. I'm refusing all campaign contributions - direct contributions. My signs aren't fully designed but they'll be open for use by anyone who wants to print them or whatnot. You can't pay for my campaign but you can buy your own signs, you can get together with neighbors and put an ad in the paper, etc... I'm away from home, at the moment, but it's looking pretty likely that I'll actually be fairly well set for the 2016 November elections.
I've spent more than I've needed to, I could have done it for a lot less, but I'm only about 25k down. I've already decided that I'm going to do the town-hall thing and let the constituents decide where my salary goes - I've no need of it, so it can go to a local charity and they can decide among themselves.
I'm a Classic Libertarian (I have no choice but to use that phrase - it bothers me to do so, look at what the party has become or, at least, how it is perceived) and I strongly support taxation and public goods. Why? It's cheaper, safer, and has the most *likely* benefit to the whole which means that our rights are more likely to be something we can actually take advantage of. I want an educated, safe, and healthy population. I don't want hordes of destitute, hungry, impoverished, scared people taking my stuff. I like my stuff - that's why I worked my ass off to get it.
Seriously, get out an talk to people. Take the time to explain your beliefs and run for office. Even if it's just the school council. My whole platform can be summed up on a double sided piece of paper. One one side, everything I've done bad - I've no skeletons. On the other, everything I've learned from it and what I believe the solutions are. There's plenty of help to be had under the Libertarian tent - we'll help get you on the ticket.
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