Yes, Europe did industrialize and experience unbridled capitalism first, you're right! Thankfully, they learned from their mistakes.
The far right did get a hold of Germany and we saw what they did with their immigrants and 'others'. Nazi-ism (far right fascism) is by far no way an invention unique to Europe. The US is marching to its fascist anti-immigrant racist leader as we speak, and damn proud of it.
Tesla you mean the company envisioned and started by a South African Canadian? Fascists all over the world love the US: your business pays little to no taxes, gets away with murder, and the worst you'll get is a talking down to in front of the Congress you've purchased. As a fascist, I too would move to the US, it's fantastic. You can build up unlimited amount of wealth in your family, socialize all costs and private all profits. It's a win-win.
You must either be paid to post or really smart, I can't tell which one yet..
America was great when the upper marginal tax rate was 92% from the 40s through the 60s/early 70s. The middle class existed then. Since then it's golden shower Reagenomics... open wide (wallets, anus, mouth), the fascists are coming.
Yes, it's true! The fascist regime in place in the US since the 1980s only makes examples of foreign companies.
American companies are free to rape American citizens and the world without any repercussions.
Make America Great Again!
I'm constantly amazed how all new slashdot users are far right nazi trump supporting fascist white trash. Probably why readership on/. has dwindled from 500-1000 posts per article to 50-80 posts / article.
I'll be getting a GTX 960/970 this consumer savings season because I upgrade GPUs every 3 years and I want to be able to support Oculus when it comes out.
Cost of college education in California was $300 a year ($1800 in today's money / year).
College education was basically free before.
It's only since the far right has been cutting taxes to further enrich their corporate owners and further indebt the US that social services have suffered.
Zontar, I'm quite unsure of how to change my font from monospace. This is an old account.. Didn't realize that the font bothers you and makes me seem like I am "seeking attention".
I will try to change my font so you won't be distracted anymore.
Sanders has had a consistent message for over 30 years. I will vote for him. His beliefs are line with mine:
* He voted against the Iraq war. * He voted against the patriot act. * He spoke out against warrant less wiretapping. * He's spoken against H-1B cheap labor. This important because Americans are being replaced by people from certain countries simply because they are much cheaper labor. Doctors and lawyers have unions to protect them from cheap labor. Why shouldn't the rest of the middle class have them? I would be in favor of H-1B visas if 1) it allowed employees free access to the job market (job mobility) and 2) they were taxed to pay for education and training in America for Americans. Remember, they say the only reason we have to import H-1B people is because we have a shortage in skilled labor. If that is true, then it makes sense to allow business the ability to bring in skilled labor, yet invest in our future instead of the future of people, some of which end up returning the knowledge and insight they gain in our society back to their home country. I love the US. * He's against free trade agreements that ship American factory jobs to countries with cheaper labor. This is important because when they move from country A to cheaper country B, you still pay the same amount for that $9.99 t-shirt, instead they pocket the profit and invest it in buying more government influence to further enslave you. * He wants to bring education costs back to where they were before (virtually free) by restoring higher marginal taxes (though he has not proposed restoring them to the >90% level they were at before). This will restore the ability of the lower and middle classes to educate themselves and increase our collective competitiveness. It will also educate the electorate again. I'm for reducing the barriers to social mobility. The Nordic European countries have a much higher social mobility rating than the US - meaning if you are born lower or middle class you have a higher chance of making more than your parents did. Fact. * He wants to reduce our health care costs and remove our pro-profit health care slavery. Our health care system is ranked 38th in the world, yet spends 2x for a worse patient outcome. To have the chance at an American dream, your health should not be at gating factor and at the whim of a patron. This is slavery. * He wants to increase parental leave vacation and family rights. He is pro-family. Starting and having a family does not mean you lose your livelihood. This is slavery. * He wants to break up big banks and restore regulation to prevent them from speculating and causing the need to socialize their losses again. In 2008 these "high rollers" nearly destroyed the American and global economy - their house of cards crumpled because we let them be unregulated, and we as citizens had to pay for it. They get their privilege to function from us, we provide them with limited liability and fictitious person-hood. Our society should reap the benefits of it. Not a few moochers at the top. Too big to fail my ass. * He wants to protect worker's rights to collective bargaining. We had to fight dearly for them. They gave us what was the 40 hour week. I wonder if the decline in our collective social happiness is due to the decline in unionization, and increase in worker abuse. Police, lawyers, doctors, and in some places, teachers still have and love their unions. It's a concept we should protect. * He is for net neutrality. This is important. Net neutrality was guaranteed before because if one independent company tried to degrade network QoS, you could easily move to another provider. From the 20-30 competing Internet providers of the 1990s to now virtually just one or two in most markets: Comcast and AT&T in the Bay Area. Because there are only two of them
I'm voting Sanders. He's had 30 years of consistent messaging. Finally a third party in the white house. Checks and balances could be restored between the two branches again.
The Corporatists in Congress with their < 15% approval rating will have to actually negotiate with a non-Corporatist for once.
Thank God Americans live in a Democratically elected Republic. We don't have to move elsewhere to return to the prosperity of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s before we reduced our top marginal tax rate from 90% to 35% and indebted our future generations and destroyed the ability of our middle class to educate itself and collectively bargain for a piece of the pie from their corporate en-slavers. And like we did in the 1930s and 1940s, we can use our right to vote to do it again.
And maybe your family can rise out of poverty too and get educated and contribute again.
It's amazing how much money the liberal states provide the to republican "pull yourself up by your boot straps" welfare states.
Democratic liberal states make money. Unlike dollars allotted, tax dollars received show where the money was actually spent. New Jersey receives 61 cents for each tax dollar paid, Nevada 65 cents, Connecticut 69, New Hampshire 7 cents, and Minnesota 72 . Illinois receives 0.75 for each tax dollar they pays, followed by Delaware At 77 cents and California at 78 cents per dollar paid. -- Republican welfare states mooch and live off of it. The states receiving the most are number five Alabama, which receives 1.66 per tax dollar paid, number four North Dakota with1.68, West Virginia at 1.76 , Louisiana,1.78, Alaska, 1.84 , Mississippi 2.02 and New Mexico at 2.03, over 100% of every taxdollar paid. ---
The cognitive dissonance of these moochers is amazing. Against welfare, yet living off of it. But I don't mind, I'm a city dweller and and taxed adequately, but I also understand that getting ahead is not just an individual act, but a collective one as well. You people want individual freedom unless it is the decision to choose who you want to marry or what medical procedures you can have. Then freedom is a bad thing. The cognitive dissonance amazes me.
I enjoy the nice roads, clean environment, business friendly and responsive government. I will gladly pay more to ensure everyone gets a chance at the American dream through hard work and education.
So far, you have not offered a single thing you dislike about "Bernie" except for some vague "but freedom!!!" comments.
Let's discuss some of his policies: 1) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. The tax rates from the 1940's through the 1980s were much higher, with the top marginal tax above 90%. The rich still worked and got filthy rich. This is important because that money was used to pay for the (now) crumbling infrastructure we take for granted. It was used to pay for social programs that were incredibly popular and successful.
2) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. The tax rates from the 1940's through the 1980s were much higher, with the top marginal tax above 90%. This paid for education which used to cost less than $1800 (inflation adjusted) per year at UC. Now a year of school at a UC costs $13000. There has been a redistribution of wealth from those who have not, to those who have (banks and financial institutions collect on this debt, and ultimately their shareholders). If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
3) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. Before Reagan finally put the stake through the heart of the US, US deficit/debt were under control. The US debt started increasing massively after Reagan cut taxes. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
4) Bernie preaches Increased regulation. As the right and far right parties in the US cut regulations, they removed any incentives for businesses to provide for the society that gives them the limited liability and corporate-hood they so enjoy.
5) Bernie preaches Increased regulation. Worker protection and supporting strong unions. The Japanese are unionized. The Germans are unionized. The French are unionized. They have middle classes. They have happier citizens. They have social mobility. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
6) Bernie preaches universal healthcare. The US ranks 38th in the world in healthcare. The US healthcare system available to the average person provides poor outcomes at 2x the cost. Life is not a for profit business. Americans travel to Europe so they can get cheap health care. Americans import drugs from foreign countries because they are cheaper. The high end medical centers in the US are inaccessible to the general population and are frequented by Sheiks, Dictators, and the American filthy rich. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
7) Social mobility in the US is MUCH lower than any of the European countries with so-called "socialism" (Sweden, France, Germany, Norway, Australia, etc). http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/ If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
Without infrastructure, without education, without regulation there can be no middle class. Only the rich and their servants.
I'm in favor of the Government working for all of us, which is what the Constitution promotes. Not for a handful of us which is what you promote.
My question is, why do you want to tear apart the Constitution to keep a few rich people as your masters subverting the intention of the Constitution?
The only thing I can guess is aspirational identification, you have the illusion that one day you too will rise out of the lower, uneducated class you are in and become filthy rich and will be mildly inconvenienced by having to pay back into the society that gave you the ability to become filthy rich in the first place.
Please share those policies that Bernie has that you are so scared off, and how they are incompatible with the Constitution.
I have no debt. My credit score is >750. I have a few rewards credit cards (>25k limit) I use every month to pay monthly living expenses and rack up free miles; the credit cards get paid at the end of the month so no interest is paid.
I used the racked up miles for my trip to Europe last year, it was great!
It doesn't sound like you've figured out how the system works.
Also, it is interesting to point out that the "weird May 6th market crash" where the market lost 1 trillion in value was followed 2-3 days (May 9th I believe) later with an announcement by the EU of a 1 trillion dollar bailout package; despite only a few days earlier having said there is -no way- they would do a bailout.
But/. and all other propaganda sources had a story ready for the May 6th crash the second it happened: someone's fat finger hit B instead of M......... sure. And they're still "unsure" of what the root cause of the flash crash was.....
Don't forget America's love with Socialism: Privatize profits, socialize losses.
Did you know PG&E is trying to get the PUC to approve rate hikes to cover losses due to fires?
They had millions to spend to install new Smart Meters, MILLIONS to spend trying to enshrine into the California Constitution a protection for them to be the sole energy suppliers, millions in bonuses for executive.. but somehow no money to maintain their existing infrastructure.
Everyone's so brainwashed that 'consumer' takes the place of the word 'citizen'.
Consumer protection agency... as if consumer's got burned in the 2008/crash/banking handout.
1. Consumers buy, consume, and defecate shit.
2. Citizens produce, pay taxes, and bail out banks which in turn take shit, revalue it (usually more than its worth), and then convince consumers to buy it via debt.
3. Go to #1.
Somehow though, the word 'citizen' does not ever come up in anywhere.... wake up people.. citizens make up America, not consumers.
I am a European-American. A European Christian (and I assume a NZ "Christian" isn't the same as mid-west American "Christian" - consider mid-west American "Christians" more like the Taliban).
Here's a terrific example of American Christians at their best: http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978158624
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Yes, Europe did industrialize and experience unbridled capitalism first, you're right! Thankfully, they learned from their mistakes.
The far right did get a hold of Germany and we saw what they did with their immigrants and 'others'. Nazi-ism (far right fascism) is by far no way an invention unique to Europe. The US is marching to its fascist anti-immigrant racist leader as we speak, and damn proud of it.
Tesla you mean the company envisioned and started by a South African Canadian? Fascists all over the world love the US: your business pays little to no taxes, gets away with murder, and the worst you'll get is a talking down to in front of the Congress you've purchased. As a fascist, I too would move to the US, it's fantastic. You can build up unlimited amount of wealth in your family, socialize all costs and private all profits. It's a win-win.
You must either be paid to post or really smart, I can't tell which one yet..
America was great when the upper marginal tax rate was 92% from the 40s through the 60s/early 70s. The middle class existed then. Since then it's golden shower Reagenomics... open wide (wallets, anus, mouth), the fascists are coming.
Yes, it's true! The fascist regime in place in the US since the 1980s only makes examples of foreign companies.
American companies are free to rape American citizens and the world without any repercussions.
Make America Great Again!
I'm constantly amazed how all new slashdot users are far right nazi trump supporting fascist white trash. Probably why readership on /. has dwindled from 500-1000 posts per article to 50-80 posts / article.
Seig heil!
Slashdot has become far right wing trash in the last few years.
I'm not sure what happened... I guess it has something to do with most articles also getting 50-100 comments now too.....
It's dead, spewing right wing nonsense. Killed by covfascists. How sad. /. news for fascists and white trash.
#snesemu / #emu on EFnet was where the scene started in late 1995.
Zophar, The_Brain (VSMC in shades of piss yellow unless you paid up), MindRape, Y0shi (Jeremy Chadwick), Daves Classics, AR, etc.
NINCEST 64: Get sis or get out!
Shout out if you're around #emu crew!
I'm in the market for a card.
I'll be getting a GTX 960/970 this consumer savings season because I upgrade GPUs every 3 years and I want to be able to support Oculus when it comes out.
Cost of college education in California was $300 a year ($1800 in today's money / year).
College education was basically free before.
It's only since the far right has been cutting taxes to further enrich their corporate owners and further indebt the US that social services have suffered.
Thanks for playing.
Zontar, I'm quite unsure of how to change my font from monospace. This is an old account.. Didn't realize that the font bothers you and makes me seem like I am "seeking attention".
I will try to change my font so you won't be distracted anymore.
I'm pro second amendment and I'm pro my list.
Does that surprise you?
Sanders has had a consistent message for over 30 years. I will vote for him. His beliefs are line with mine:
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He voted against the patriot act.
* He spoke out against warrant less wiretapping.
* He's spoken against H-1B cheap labor. This important because Americans are being replaced by people from certain countries simply because they are much cheaper labor. Doctors and lawyers have unions to protect them from cheap labor. Why shouldn't the rest of the middle class have them? I would be in favor of H-1B visas if 1) it allowed employees free access to the job market (job mobility) and 2) they were taxed to pay for education and training in America for Americans. Remember, they say the only reason we have to import H-1B people is because we have a shortage in skilled labor. If that is true, then it makes sense to allow business the ability to bring in skilled labor, yet invest in our future instead of the future of people, some of which end up returning the knowledge and insight they gain in our society back to their home country. I love the US.
* He's against free trade agreements that ship American factory jobs to countries with cheaper labor. This is important because when they move from country A to cheaper country B, you still pay the same amount for that $9.99 t-shirt, instead they pocket the profit and invest it in buying more government influence to further enslave you.
* He wants to bring education costs back to where they were before (virtually free) by restoring higher marginal taxes (though he has not proposed restoring them to the >90% level they were at before). This will restore the ability of the lower and middle classes to educate themselves and increase our collective competitiveness. It will also educate the electorate again. I'm for reducing the barriers to social mobility. The Nordic European countries have a much higher social mobility rating than the US - meaning if you are born lower or middle class you have a higher chance of making more than your parents did. Fact.
* He wants to reduce our health care costs and remove our pro-profit health care slavery. Our health care system is ranked 38th in the world, yet spends 2x for a worse patient outcome. To have the chance at an American dream, your health should not be at gating factor and at the whim of a patron. This is slavery.
* He wants to increase parental leave vacation and family rights. He is pro-family. Starting and having a family does not mean you lose your livelihood. This is slavery.
* He wants to break up big banks and restore regulation to prevent them from speculating and causing the need to socialize their losses again. In 2008 these "high rollers" nearly destroyed the American and global economy - their house of cards crumpled because we let them be unregulated, and we as citizens had to pay for it. They get their privilege to function from us, we provide them with limited liability and fictitious person-hood. Our society should reap the benefits of it. Not a few moochers at the top. Too big to fail my ass.
* He wants to protect worker's rights to collective bargaining. We had to fight dearly for them. They gave us what was the 40 hour week. I wonder if the decline in our collective social happiness is due to the decline in unionization, and increase in worker abuse. Police, lawyers, doctors, and in some places, teachers still have and love their unions. It's a concept we should protect.
* He is for net neutrality. This is important. Net neutrality was guaranteed before because if one independent company tried to degrade network QoS, you could easily move to another provider. From the 20-30 competing Internet providers of the 1990s to now virtually just one or two in most markets: Comcast and AT&T in the Bay Area. Because there are only two of them
I'm voting Sanders. He's had 30 years of consistent messaging. Finally a third party in the white house. Checks and balances could be restored between the two branches again.
The Corporatists in Congress with their < 15% approval rating will have to actually negotiate with a non-Corporatist for once.
I'm excited at that possibility.
Thank God Americans live in a Democratically elected Republic. We don't have to move elsewhere to return to the prosperity of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s before we reduced our top marginal tax rate from 90% to 35% and indebted our future generations and destroyed the ability of our middle class to educate itself and collectively bargain for a piece of the pie from their corporate en-slavers. And like we did in the 1930s and 1940s, we can use our right to vote to do it again.
And maybe your family can rise out of poverty too and get educated and contribute again.
It's amazing how much money the liberal states provide the to republican "pull yourself up by your boot straps" welfare states.
http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/united-states-federal-tax-dollars/
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Democratic liberal states make money.
Unlike dollars allotted, tax dollars received show where the money was actually spent. New Jersey receives 61 cents for each tax dollar paid, Nevada 65 cents, Connecticut 69, New Hampshire 7 cents, and Minnesota 72 . Illinois receives 0.75 for each tax dollar they pays, followed by Delaware At 77 cents and California at 78 cents per dollar paid.
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Republican welfare states mooch and live off of it.
The states receiving the most are number five Alabama, which receives 1.66 per tax dollar paid, number four North Dakota with1.68, West Virginia at 1.76 , Louisiana,1.78, Alaska, 1.84 , Mississippi 2.02 and New Mexico at 2.03, over 100% of every taxdollar paid.
---
The cognitive dissonance of these moochers is amazing. Against welfare, yet living off of it. But I don't mind, I'm a city dweller and and taxed adequately, but I also understand that getting ahead is not just an individual act, but a collective one as well. You people want individual freedom unless it is the decision to choose who you want to marry or what medical procedures you can have. Then freedom is a bad thing. The cognitive dissonance amazes me.
I enjoy the nice roads, clean environment, business friendly and responsive government. I will gladly pay more to ensure everyone gets a chance at the American dream through hard work and education.
So far, you have not offered a single thing you dislike about "Bernie" except for some vague "but freedom!!!" comments.
Let's discuss some of his policies:
1) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. The tax rates from the 1940's through the 1980s were much higher, with the top marginal tax above 90%. The rich still worked and got filthy rich. This is important because that money was used to pay for the (now) crumbling infrastructure we take for granted. It was used to pay for social programs that were incredibly popular and successful.
2) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. The tax rates from the 1940's through the 1980s were much higher, with the top marginal tax above 90%. This paid for education which used to cost less than $1800 (inflation adjusted) per year at UC. Now a year of school at a UC costs $13000. There has been a redistribution of wealth from those who have not, to those who have (banks and financial institutions collect on this debt, and ultimately their shareholders). If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
3) Bernie preaches Increased taxes. Before Reagan finally put the stake through the heart of the US, US deficit/debt were under control. The US debt started increasing massively after Reagan cut taxes. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
4) Bernie preaches Increased regulation. As the right and far right parties in the US cut regulations, they removed any incentives for businesses to provide for the society that gives them the limited liability and corporate-hood they so enjoy.
5) Bernie preaches Increased regulation. Worker protection and supporting strong unions. The Japanese are unionized. The Germans are unionized. The French are unionized. They have middle classes. They have happier citizens. They have social mobility. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
6) Bernie preaches universal healthcare. The US ranks 38th in the world in healthcare. The US healthcare system available to the average person provides poor outcomes at 2x the cost. Life is not a for profit business. Americans travel to Europe so they can get cheap health care. Americans import drugs from foreign countries because they are cheaper. The high end medical centers in the US are inaccessible to the general population and are frequented by Sheiks, Dictators, and the American filthy rich. If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
7) Social mobility in the US is MUCH lower than any of the European countries with so-called "socialism" (Sweden, France, Germany, Norway, Australia, etc). http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/ If you have numbers otherwise, show them.
Without infrastructure, without education, without regulation there can be no middle class. Only the rich and their servants.
I'm in favor of the Government working for all of us, which is what the Constitution promotes. Not for a handful of us which is what you promote.
My question is, why do you want to tear apart the Constitution to keep a few rich people as your masters subverting the intention of the Constitution?
The only thing I can guess is aspirational identification, you have the illusion that one day you too will rise out of the lower, uneducated class you are in and become filthy rich and will be mildly inconvenienced by having to pay back into the society that gave you the ability to become filthy rich in the first place.
Please share those policies that Bernie has that you are so scared off, and how they are incompatible with the Constitution.
Cute. You're worried that we the people might promote our general welfare over the welfare of the few. That, to you, is tearing up the constitution.
I like it.
I'll let you get back to the "No Spin Zone" now.
Bernie 2016.
Right after American Idle.
And I know what idols are.
I have no debt. My credit score is >750. I have a few rewards credit cards (>25k limit) I use every month to pay monthly living expenses and rack up free miles; the credit cards get paid at the end of the month so no interest is paid.
I used the racked up miles for my trip to Europe last year, it was great!
It doesn't sound like you've figured out how the system works.
Thanks. I'm sure people will catch it on Youtube, after watching the latest Biebersode.
They grow everywhere.
Anyone want some lightcoin or coinye west? Only $1000/coin.
I'm glad you are so worldly and know so much about me.
These numbers sound like the wishful thinking propaganda we were always bombarded with.... 5,000 barrels a day!!!!
Sure.
Also, it is interesting to point out that the "weird May 6th market crash" where the market lost 1 trillion in value was followed 2-3 days (May 9th I believe) later with an announcement by the EU of a 1 trillion dollar bailout package; despite only a few days earlier having said there is -no way- they would do a bailout.
/. and all other propaganda sources had a story ready for the May 6th crash the second it happened: someone's fat finger hit B instead of M......... sure. And they're still "unsure" of what the root cause of the flash crash was.....
But
Uhm, the US allows dual citizenship? I have US-EU citizenship? What are you talking about US insisting you give up your UK citizenship?
Don't forget America's love with Socialism: Privatize profits, socialize losses.
Did you know PG&E is trying to get the PUC to approve rate hikes to cover losses due to fires?
They had millions to spend to install new Smart Meters, MILLIONS to spend trying to enshrine into the California Constitution a protection for them to be the sole energy suppliers, millions in bonuses for executive.. but somehow no money to maintain their existing infrastructure.
Our 'consumer' rights? -heh-
Everyone's so brainwashed that 'consumer' takes the place of the word 'citizen'.
Consumer protection agency... as if consumer's got burned in the 2008/crash/banking handout.
1. Consumers buy, consume, and defecate shit.
2. Citizens produce, pay taxes, and bail out banks which in turn take shit, revalue it (usually more than its worth), and then convince consumers to buy it via debt.
3. Go to #1.
Somehow though, the word 'citizen' does not ever come up in anywhere.... wake up people.. citizens make up America, not consumers.
I am a European-American. A European Christian (and I assume a NZ "Christian" isn't the same as mid-west American "Christian" - consider mid-west American "Christians" more like the Taliban).
Here's a terrific example of American Christians at their best: http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978158624