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The NYPD's X-Ray Vans (theatlantic.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A few years ago, we heard tales of vans outfitted by the U.S. government to hold giant X-ray scanners, which they'd use to drive around and inspect vehicles. Now, it turns out similar vans have made their way to police departments, including the NYPD. The police are unwilling to explain (PDF) how they're used, or how often. "A state court has already ruled that the NYPD has to turn over policies, procedures, and training manuals that shape uses of X-rays; reports on past deployments; information on the costs of the X-ray devices and the number of vans purchased; and information on the health and safety effects of the technology. But New York City is fighting on appeal to suppress that information and more, as if it is some kind of spy agency rather than a municipal police department operating on domestic soil, ostensibly at the pleasure of city residents."
Ah yes, the lovely liberal capital of the US east coast, Deblasio and Schumer heaven, spying on their liberal base! WOW, color me SHOCKED!
These vans are just the latest in a long line of law enforcement abuse and complete disregard for the Constitution. The government classifies volumes of information to hide evidence of their own wrongdoing. They're "fighting on appeal to suppress information" in this case regarding potential serious public health hazards posed by their tactics. They use secret tools like stingrays to gather secret evidence which they attempt to present in secret, sealed and off the record. And in the event that an "activist judge" calls them on it, they withdraw the evidence so as not to have it revealed. They lock people up in secret detention facilities in Chicago, in America, without booking them, no Miranda rights, no access to a lawyer, such that no one but the police even knows where these people disappear to for days or weeks on end. Police are shooting and killing people weekly if not daily, acting as judge jury and executioner, and they face zero consequences.
The police state isn't coming, the police state is here. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
No they don't. The police do whatever they want, with any oversight, repercussions or scrutiny from the courts.
Because terrorist you will be randomly irritated while minding your own business.
Murica. Fuck yeah.
everyone involved in stop and frisk should be in prison, or just executed for treason.
Because FREEDOM!1!!!
I would totally download that.
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...what they did there...
Actually I'd be less worried about the spying and more worried about the radiation dosage. X-Rays are ionizing radiation and exposure to them increases the risk of cancer. I don't know what the dosage you would get from one of these things is but if it can penetrate the metal bodywork of a car to look inside it will probably be a lot more than a typical medical X-ray.
No worries here citizens, we're just going to let untrained people wander around shooting a giant x-ray machine at whatever they want. This is nothing to be alarmed about, please go about your daily routine as if nothing is happening. Thank you for your time.
If I go to NYC, I'm finally going to have an excuse to buy one of these: http://www.berkeleynucleonics.com/products/model-1621M.html
YAY
You're being X-ray'd for your FREEDOM!
Every story is modded down.
- NYPD violates constitutional tenets (0)
- NYPD violates FOIA rules (0)
- NYPD thinks they are a terrorist fighting organization (0)
Dear /. editors: whomever moderated this thread shouldn't get mod points for another 30 years. I know you think you have checks and balances. So does the NYPD.
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Don't be surprised when they get an exaggerated sense of self-importance and begin to think they're above the 4th amendment.
They aren't X-rays, they are Freedom-Rays.
Learn to love Alaska
We don't do that here.
1) If something is in plain view, it can be evidence used to justify a search. I suppose it's a plausible interpretation that the heat something gives off could be considered in plain view when looking through an infrared camera. However, an x-ray scan is hardly plain view because it's an active scan, relying on backscatter in the case of these vans. Can any evidence collected from these vans, or evidence collected on the basis thereof, be admissible in court?
2) Is this safe? X-rays pose a health danger, which is why precautions are taken when medical and dental x-rays are taken. What will be done to ensure that people aren't exposed to harmful radiation, especially without notice or consent?
3) The NYPD is refusing to say what these vans are used for. If the NYPD won't say how they're being used, how do people know their privacy isn't being invaded and they're not being exposed to harmful radiation?
4) Because these vans are being paid for with tax dollars, don't people have a right to know how they're being used? How do the people know this is a necessary expense and the taxpayers aren't being ripped off?
5) At what point is it no longer acceptable to justify any and every form of surveillance under the excuse of terrorism? This is a tired refrain that has already been used to justify far too many abuses. Terrorism is the new communism, and I hope one day we'll be able to ridicule many of the things we've done just as we find McCarthyism and the red scare laughably absurd.
There are ppl. with previous occupational exposures to what is considered to be high-level exposures of radiation today, that have to carefully monitor and restrict such things as dental or medial X-rays (ie. exposure to 60Co due to working around a leaking medical source).
What provisions exist to alert the "police" to these people, and what steps do they take to mitigate aiming their X-ray at these persons?
I would suspect none, so the ethics of this "operation" need to be called into serious question.
The court ruled these scanners illegal in France, where they were being used to scan vehicles for people. You can't Xray people without their permission, and the makers claims of typical 'low' doses equivalent to an arm x-ray was what an illegal immigrant would get if inside a metal tank inside a metal truck. Without all that metal it was a lot higher.
http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/world/21244-french-ban-x-ray-scans-for-illegal-immigrants-as-radiation-makes-them-too-dangerous.html
X-rays are ionizing radiation, after all.
And how strong do they need to be to penetrate the metal body of a car?
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
I used to care about what was happening in US, As sadly it affects the rest of the world quite severely, luckily not as much anymore (with the rise of other nations) but week after week we read stories about the Govt or agencies stepping over the democracy line.
The common response is well when it goes too far we will stand up as put an end to it.
When?.. the answer is never, freedom is not something you even recognize now and wouldn't know what do with it if you had it, even a recent headline about the Drone programme targets being 90% civilian (which is a war crime) apparently is has been clarified that all military aged males in a combat zone are considered combatants even if they have no connections or armaments so just being alive makes you a target. wasn't enough for any action to be taken let alone DC cops driving around in vans X Raying whatever they feel like or the weird idea that americans have the right to do whatever they like. (manifest destiny)
For gods sake, stand up and put an end to this ridiculous farce and become people again before it's too late.
It's not "the democracy line." It's "the constitutional republic line."
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Did no one think to possibly look into the legality of these? Irradiating someone has to count as battery, and you can't just search strange vehicles.
Take a breath, oh paranoid one.
I'm glad you mentioned this.
I was exposed to what is believed to be 400 REMs (you can do the conversions to the radiological annotation of the day yourself) from sleeping in the basement of a hospital in An-Najaf, Iraq. An MRI scanner was turned on by an "insurgent" and all sorts of seemingly benign items (desks, chairs, filing cabinets, etc.). were attracted to the MRI and "sucked" into the machine. A radiotherapy device employing Cobolt-60 was also attracted to the magnetic field of the MRI, and the canister containing the Cobolt-60 was ruptured. We slept in that basement, right by the machine, and everyone in our unit was puking violently in the morning and was sick for two weeks after the incident.
Needles to say, any urban legend dealing with shit getting sucked into MRIs (police pistols, etc.). you can believe. The MRI looked like a black hole of twisted junk from all the stuff that was pulled into from the surrounding environment.
I wear a medical bracelet detailing the exposure, and I'm forbidden from receiving dental or otherwise routine X-rays, period.
Physically, it's not more active than using a flashlight to illuminate a dark area. If the cops use a flashlight to find evidence, should that automatically preclude the evidence from being in plain view? A flashlight is just a source of photons, just like an x-ray source.
Is this safe?
"Ha ha. Prove that you got your nasty cancer from our vans, and not from radon, nuclear tests, radiology or whatever."
Because these vans are being paid for with tax dollars, don't people have a right to know how they're being used?
Um no.
At what point is it no longer acceptable to justify any and every form of surveillance under the excuse of terrorism?
When the War on Terrorism has ended with a resounding victory! Or when pigs fly. Or when hell freezes over.
CBS news article describes how an upstate New York man was convicted Friday of plotting to kill Muslims with a mobile X-ray device by a jury that rejected his lawyer's argument that he was entrapped by the FBI.
SO - if YOU do it, you go to jail, if the COPS do it, it's crime fighting. Hmmmm.....yeah....
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
I assure you none of us has to be a Jew or part of the "problems" you mentioned to call you a fucking nut bag.
We should be completely safe now that we got rid of freedom.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
The term "hillbilly" is a derogatory name that refers to poor white people with no education, no money and a tendency to possess guns, moonshine and other illicit substances. They would be the last people who would defend the police as they're usually too busy running from them and/or shooting back.
Who would have thought that if you let police become a para military force they would run amuck.
Americans have somehow became some of the stupidest people on earth.
In about 5 years, the very operators of this illegal equipment will start coming down with cancer. Odds are, their employers will deny them benefits and suppress any legal redress they attempt.
In the long run, it's a dumb choice to become a Storm Trooper for an evil empire. Being a 'badass' with a badge comes with a price tag (this time in the form of cancer).
But putting x-ray tech in the hands of police means that you people can use it too. You know, to detect hidden caches of bagels or Hollywood screenplays.
"Organized or not, virtually all criminals had been well-armed until the government released its so-called "Peace Sentries" in the early fifties. They were automated drones that roamed the city, scanning the crowds, able to spot the telltale metallic signature of a weapon through solid concrete. Suddenly every concealed weapon became a beacon, announcing the owner's position to any police drones within a three-block radius. What followed was a chaotic year of massive arrests and desperate gunfights as the criminals fought to keep their weapons."
Yes, they overreach in panicked overreaction to past incidents. But they are in a tough position as a "mere" city police force that winds up with national-security level responsibilities. *All* LEO and security people overreact because "If we mess up people die" and "Not on my watch!" ; NYC has the UN General Assembly with dozens of world leaders (and the normal UN with international officials all year long), other major high-publicity events that would be tempting targets, and every day a huge and dense population center with the busiest bridge in the world, the busiest bus terminal in the world, and other high-drama possible targets. At the same time as I believe strongly that NYPD and all LEO must be held to higher standards, and the presumption of guilt implied by blanket surveillance corrupts our social system, I also understand where the NYPD's paranoia comes from.
NYC has a population larger than several European countries. Finland Bulgaria, Slovakia, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuainia, Ireland, Serbia, Slovenia, etc. They've got a slightly bigger problem than Podunkville, Nebraska.
Why the heck has no one done anything about ?? We have identified , know where, what , whom is behind it, and think we know ..
So, why is it still happening?
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except for the "filter error that DHI just poped up against me" /. is inhibiting my ability to post..
fuckign stoopid, now
The NYPD needs X-ray vans because terrorists are people too. And as people, they break bones. And since terrorists can't go to hospital (they'd be caught, duh), the PD needs the ability to give them X-ray exams.
Well them and you. And everyone. Without a warrant. Or proper oversight. And without the qualifications to run an X-ray medical device. On the street. As they are walking by. And without Radiologists. And the X-ray device isn't a medical device. Nor is the terrorist (or you) given any treatment.
But it's all for the medical needs of the terrorists! What was the question again?
There's a truck weigh station in Kentucky, on I-75, where truck drivers have to pass through what can only be an x-ray scanner. I wonder how much of a dose you get each time you pass through? I've also had my truck x-rayed at the border by the Americans, (it's always my home team, the Americans, giving the hassles at the border), but at least I was allowed to exit the truck. They did not find the six-pack of Canadian beer I was smuggling.
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Air-ride Equipped
Forced? Let me guess, you don't have kids. My sons born in 2000 and 2002 did not get circumcised. The doctors offered the option, and explained the dangers and benefits of the procedures with the latest medical studies available on the subject.
Perhaps you should get out of mom's basement and try making a kid before spouting off on what is forced on people.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Maybe they are searching for Jimmy Hoffa's body?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
If we give you cancer, it's because you were one all along.
Only criminals and terrorists catch cancer from these machines.
Or are you taking THEIR side?
If you're so upright why did you scums delete my first post. Afraid the younger people you're duping will spread the facts and dig you our of your holes before you and your tribe kill them with your chemtrails.
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http://web.archive.org/web/20100825152627/http://jewishfaces.com/banking.html
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Auschwitz.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Hopie_ike.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/810dresden_primary.htm
holodomorinfo.com - see pages, don't waste time on videos, sites most'jew truther' sites run by them
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/False_Flags_summary.htm
http://jewishcrimenetworkdid911.blogspot.com/
newworldwar.org/chemical.htm - ignore notes at bottom, skip rest of site.
nano chip chemtrails. chemtrail virus. kills by race. askhenazi jews are a race. they are not nordic whites. make your own tribes.
Read this and learn something new.
Pretending to be a non jew to post your idiot say-nothing bs is stupid. 'you anti semites'.
Your 'anti semite' shit is worn out. I have no problem with the Palestinians and arabs you scum jews have been killing. They are semites, you ashkenazi jews are part semite, having bred with nordic whites to lighten your skin so you could blend in and more easily do your child rape and robbery and mass murder. Beside my 'weapons' post above, real people can go t this thread to get the bigger picture on your tribe and plans for mass murder, here, now.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/10/20/2153224/dhs-to-extend-opt-to-60-months-says-employers-universities-students-demand-it
And, as you scum trolls control the posts, just as you fcked around my posts here, changing where the were so you could spew more bullshit under them in different sections, and did the same thing on the other link thread, which posts you also cover up with your bogus 'scores' so only your worthless shit shows and real posts are 'hidden' -
on the other thread click post all comments, also slide the bar over so comments show. see first post 'jew propaganda - also others. note, the scum jews will probably scum that thread around again also. see the first post, others if you can find them.
scum jew computer generated posts.
I'll use it. another link, scum jews behind the web.
the jews are spraying you with nano chip chemtrails. they killed over one billion people, they are going to kill you.
https://ia902609.us.archive.org/2/items/TheJewishHandBehindTheInternet/TheJewishHandBehindInternet.pdf
Continuing to slobber bs jew memes proves the point. You have nothing else. You moved my posts around, you jabber old jew psy ops 'tin foil' bs, which as I said, is to cover the brain rape you're doing now. My posts and links above and below blow your idiot jew bullshit out of the water. just stfu and deal with it.
- others, copy the posts to re read, give links to others.
No, unless you're a racial ashkenazi jew, you're going to die of virus and/or other jew bio weapons/weapons, each race will be culled until none left but the ashkenzi jew tribe and co-scums and their 'morgellons' 'transhuman' slaves. In the meantime between culls, those not racial jew will be brain raped as we are all now, controlled by 'wireless' 'smart' grid 'ipv6' 'ai', drones, eatr and other robots already constructed.
jew world terror. it's already done. these 'xray vans' and other terror tactics are of course bullshit and should be taken over by everyone, though they are nothing next to the rest of it. The mass chemtrail jets, 'wireless' shit, all of it. Over 100 trillion in weapons.
Make tribes. Take it from them. No one is coming to 'save' you. You're being sprayed. give links info from jew posts above to others -
Are you an actual person or some terrible AI project that emulates a paranoid schizophrenic? Either way, please seek help...
snivel snivel shut the fuck up scum jew. your nano chip chemtrails 'smart grid' shit 'ipv6' mind rape, your child rape child butchering your faud 'government' YOUR 'AI' all of that is You Scum JEWS.
Fuck off scum jew.
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Others, go to this thread -
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/10/24/1946258/judge-tosses-wikimedias-anti-nsa-lawsuit-because-wikipedia-isnt-big-enough
click load all comments, slide bar over. Just like on this thread scum jews 'scored' up their own posts and computer generated crap to push my way down the thread when they originally were near the top, also note the scum jews distracting from my posts. I'm not going to rewrite it all here. You would Never find the information in my posts on your own, beside most info being wiped off the web, the information took years of work. Time is short, the scum jews have already far more than just chipped you, they are behind all the destruction, now comes chemtrail virus, they live, you die. copy the posts on the other thread to re read, give links to others -