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Facebook Launches Initiative To Attract More Minorities and Women To Coding (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook has launched TechPrep, a new initiative to attract more minorities and women into coding. The project draws a very strong analogy between the learning of computer coding skills and the learning of spoken languages, a field which is important to people whose first language is not English, and which engages with the popular understanding that women are better at learning languages. TechPrep is seeking to engage with parents and guardians to get its target audience into coding earlier in life.

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  1. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about hiring more people over 40 as well.

    1. Re:How about... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't speak for Facebook, but my team is currently comprised of

      8 Caucasian men
      1 Caucasian woman
      5 Indian men
      4 Indian women
      2 Asian men

      (Note that my metro area is ~78% white). I can only hire from the applications I receive, so I can't bring in Latino or African American devs/BAs/PMs/etc... I've been thinking about doing an outreach program to see about visiting some of our local high schools' CS programs and see what I can learn about our next generation of coders.

      The youngest people on my team are late 20s. A couple of months ago one of the women on my team retired. I have multiple team members that are looking at full retirement in the next 5 years (one of whom I hired last year). Probably half of my team is in the 40+ category and a good portion of that has been hired on in the last 3 years.

      There are dev managers in the world that don't give a crap about your age or skin color as long as you can code, document, lead, teach, test, implement, or what ever else we need done.

      -Rick

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      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    2. Re:How about... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are dev managers in the world that don't give a crap about your age or skin color as long as you can code, document, lead, teach, test, implement, or what ever else we need done.

      Maybe we should stop putting people into categories and treating them differently (+ or -) based on the amount of pigment in their skin?

      Maybe we should judge people not based on the color of their skin but on the content of their character?

    3. Re:How about... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Listen, if I get an application that fits the profile and the person provides what I'm looking for, I'm hiring him or her.

      I am not going to compromise the financial situation of my company for the sake of pandering to some PC fad.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  2. It's a daily SJW treat now! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hooray smash the patriarchy!

    1. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm still waiting on all the "Why aren't there more straight men in the fashion industry?" articles that I just know must be coming any day now. ....still waiting......

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    2. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by NotDrWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The only thing keeping straight males out of the fashion industry is feedback from straight males.

      Nope, these articles have taught me that the only possible explanation for the underrepresentation of a gender or race in a given field is that the field is either hostile or discriminatory (or both). It can't possibly be by personal choice or because of social pressure from within the gender or race itself.

      If someone isn't present, it's because they're being excluded or discriminated against by the powers in the field.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    3. Re:It's a daily SJW treat now! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " there is a strong stigma that can be simplified as "X can't/shouldn't do Y""

      You just hit the nail on the herad there pal. The question isn't why aren't there more women in high tech, but rather why are there so many men? Just because you can (sort of) doesn't mean you should. Seriously. If you got into computers because it is "where the money is", please leave the industry ASAP. You are ruining it for the competent among us. Thanks.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  3. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not just get people who are actually interested in coding to participate? Why do they have to be women or minorities? That seems rather bigoted.

    1. Re:Why? by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because STEM is paying well, and the induced physical risk and requirement is null. You will never see a progressive campaigning to have more women working in mines.

    2. Re:Why? by x0ra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So an administrative secretary working in a mine would fit as "miner" ?

  4. I know a lot about this comment by thedonger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:

    Another notable finding was that men were five times more likely than women to say that they knew a lot about computer programming.

    Holy shit, really? Men are more likely to claim they know a lot about anything.

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  5. Why not just hire the best people for the job. by Fragnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't matter what shape their genitals are.

    1. Re:Why not just hire the best people for the job. by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because SJW.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    2. Re:Why not just hire the best people for the job. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Informative

      That sounds cruel.

      The underrepresented group is the "low IQ" group, and unless I missed some big developments, IQ isn't something that can be acquired by seeking.

      The root problem is that membership in the fundamental group is not distributed evenly across superficial demographic groups. But reality (genetics) can't be moved by wishing, shrieking or blaming.

      The implications of IQ distribution by demographic groups has been discussed in gruesome detail elsewhere. Pay particular attention to the parts about thresholds and tails.

      Of course, everyone already knows this, and are increasingly recognizing that these stories are about power, not programming.

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      See that "Preview" button?
  6. YAMICI by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    I reckon these initiatives are close to outnumbering the people in the target groups. They'll have to start moonlighting to keep up with the supply.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  7. Re:Facebook to abuse minorities and women! by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep. Women and minorities work for lower pay.

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  8. Re:Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People who think computer languages are anything like natural languages know nothing about either.

  9. The purpose is to reduce wages not increase them. by trout007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can be sure anytime employees want more people in a field it means they want to reduce labor costs.

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    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
  10. Programming is not a language by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    seeks to analogise coding skills with language skills to make the subject of computer science less forbidding and opaque

    Good luck with that. Programming is about logic, not language.

  11. Re:Please tell me I'm not the only one bothered by by trout007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Programming languages exist because natural languages are ambiguous. This is why the whole legal profession exists.

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    I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
  12. Women are better by mesterha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So if woman are better at languages then there are differences (surprise) between the sexes. If you open that door, maybe men are better at programming.

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    Chris Mesterharm
  13. Re:Define minority by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's any racial group that's in the minority in a given population--except Asians of course, because they just learn, work hard, and refuse to play victims.

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    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
  14. Re:It is about culture. by truck_soccer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All those things you mentioned as "geek culture" are the new mainstream. Look at the news media: Today is back to the future day? Star Wars merchandising permeating EVERY media outlet? Your logic has failed. My "geek" friends no longer wish to identify with "geek culture" and have since kept all of their inherent "geekiness" under wraps because it has become a giant pain in the ass, and the most obnoxious thing any "geek" can experience is having people talking to them about common interests. To be a geek is to be socially inept, and as such this new found corporate fascination with all things "geek" has created a cultural paradox. Much like how the word "hipster" is regularly used today to describe the exact opposite of what a hipster is.

  15. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I learned today: It's okay to say women are better at language, but clearly men can't be better at programming.

  16. Politically Correct Compliance Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's see what passes the PC compliance test:

          "Women are better at learning spoken languages" - PASS
          "Therefore men are not as good as woman at learning spoken languages" - Eyebrow inperceptively raised, but PASS
          "Men are better [on average] than women at computer programming" - RED ALERT RED ALERT RED ALERT !!!

  17. Re: It is about culture. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do geeks very laid more now? Do they get hassled less? Do women swoon and men feel small at the sound of a Star Wars quote from a neckbeard? The mainstream may have appropriated geek things but little has changed for the average geek. Just watch Big Bang Theory for an example of how geeks are viewed.

  18. Re:It is about culture. by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's 2015. Many women already ARE endeared to geek culture.

    Impossible. University of Washington Assistant Professor of Social Justice Sapna Cheryan has made her career demonstrating that first of all, women don't like geek culture, and second, that's why there aren't so many women in tech, and third, if we just stomped on the geeks, made them dress like normal people and put away their toys, we'd have parity between men and women in tech.